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| jelkner | Good morning, Bots. | 10:49 |
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| German_ | Good morning, jelkner ;-) | 10:56 |
| jelkner | Good morning, German_! | 10:58 |
| jelkner | I need to restart my computer. Something is wrong with the webcam audo driver on ubuntu 17.04. | 10:59 |
| jelkner | louieae was hearing the same sound you and replaceafill reported since my update | 10:59 |
| jelkner | i never should have done that | 10:59 |
| jelkner | versionitis strikes again :-( | 11:00 |
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| German_ | you can't downgrade? | 11:00 |
| jelkner | downgrading is really hard | 11:00 |
| German_ | Oh, jelkner | 11:00 |
| German_ | Good morning, louisea | 11:00 |
| jelkner | since this only effects mics on webcams, better to just use a headset for now | 11:00 |
| jelkner | you two chat while i reboot | 11:01 |
| jelkner | cya soon... | 11:01 |
| German_ | Ok, jelkner | 11:01 |
| louisea | how's it going German_? | 11:02 |
| German_ | I'm good and you?, louisea | 11:02 |
| louisea | pretty good, enjoying my Saturday. I'm baking some bread | 11:03 |
| German_ | Oh, really? | 11:04 |
| louisea | yeah, I wanted to learn how to do it. | 11:04 |
| German_ | that's good, louisea | 11:04 |
| louisea | you up to anything fun today? | 11:04 |
| German_ | I've never done that. :-( | 11:04 |
| louisea | it's not hard at all | 11:05 |
| German_ | Just stay home, louisea | 11:05 |
| German_ | I prefer stay at home, louisea | 11:05 |
| louisea | me too, for the most part | 11:06 |
| louisea | I have a friend coming over for dinner. but other than that I'll be here | 11:07 |
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| jelkner | alright, i'm back | 11:07 |
| jelkner | i'm in the NOVA Web folder on Google Docs | 11:08 |
| German_ | OK, jelkner | 11:08 |
| jelkner | we should make a new folder called "RFPs" | 11:08 |
| jelkner | louisea, where is the document? | 11:08 |
| jelkner | German_, did you have a question? | 11:09 |
| jelkner | great work on SEO, btw! | 11:09 |
| German_ | Thanks, and yes jelkner | 11:09 |
| jelkner | both Celina's and the AEA websites now show up at the top of the search | 11:09 |
| German_ | I asked to you yesterday, if you can give me a simple description for our website, jelkner | 11:10 |
| louisea | it's outside of a folder. and it's called NDI_CivicTechSoftwareDeveloper_Application | 11:10 |
| German_ | actually, our website doesn't have SEO at the moment!, jelkner | 11:12 |
| jelkner | It should, German_, can you add it? | 11:12 |
| jelkner | louisea, i moved it to the RFPs folder, and have it open | 11:13 |
| German_ | I can write it by myself, that's not a problem. jelkner | 11:13 |
| German_ | ;-) | 11:13 |
| jelkner | excellent! | 11:13 |
| jelkner | louisea, should we start with the intro paragraph? | 11:14 |
| jelkner | you took the material straight from our website | 11:14 |
| louisea | sure. I just copied it from the website | 11:14 |
| jelkner | but this gives us a chance to deepen your understanding of the marketing and business side of this | 11:15 |
| louisea | the best thing to do probably is to try to align the introduction with NDI's mission | 11:15 |
| jelkner | hopefully, you'll soon understand that better than the rest of us! ;-) | 11:15 |
| louisea | yeah I looked into their DemTool already | 11:16 |
| jelkner | the cool thing is that NDI's mission is consistent with what a bunch of us in NOVA Web are about - progressive politics and platform democracy | 11:16 |
| jelkner | as you and i discussed earlier, what is on our website is our core mission | 11:16 |
| louisea | yes, I understand | 11:17 |
| jelkner | we want to find a way for German_, amamuel, and victor to get full time, good work in web development | 11:18 |
| jelkner | as long as we don't loose that understanding, it may also be the case that the best way to do that is by getting higher end work for replaceafill, ubuntourist, (and perhaps aelkner and others) | 11:19 |
| jelkner | that's what this RFP is about | 11:19 |
| jelkner | so in any case, the things to emphasize here are our deep commitment and long experience with free software | 11:20 |
| jelkner | i think the fact we are doing PWPC websites may help, too | 11:20 |
| louisea | pwpc? | 11:21 |
| jelkner | Prince William Progress Coalition | 11:21 |
| jelkner | Ken Boddeye, Elizabeth Guzman, and Lee Carter | 11:21 |
| jelkner | German_ and Rena are doing their websites | 11:21 |
| louisea | ok, not Jacqueline Smith's? | 11:22 |
| jelkner | No, she isn't actually a Berniecrat | 11:22 |
| louisea | fine by me ;) | 11:23 |
| jelkner | just a progressive democrat the PWPC folks were supporting | 11:23 |
| jelkner | yes, me too, but it is the OR movement where we want to play | 11:23 |
| louisea | I've been thinking about this... | 11:24 |
| jelkner | they will be trying to use 21st first century social networking tech to organize folks | 11:24 |
| louisea | and the other Dem's won't? | 11:24 |
| jelkner | we want to write some of those tools as open source software | 11:24 |
| louisea | I imagine there are more of them and with more money | 11:24 |
| louisea | the more center Dem's that is | 11:24 |
| jelkner | we would certainly be open to that, but i think you will find they will run from software freedom | 11:25 |
| jelkner | they want corporate control | 11:25 |
| jelkner | not democratic platforms | 11:25 |
| jelkner | they don't need us | 11:25 |
| louisea | I see what you mean... | 11:25 |
| jelkner | they have ActBlue, NationBuilder, etc | 11:25 |
| jelkner | we want to compete with those proprietary tools by developing free alternatives | 11:26 |
| louisea | and do the OR people have good money? | 11:26 |
| louisea | not that we are asking for very much | 11:27 |
| jelkner | New Virginia Majority, Our Revolution, and other progressive groups that at least say they have a commitment to worker control are our best hope | 11:27 |
| louisea | Yeah I understand, and have been contemplating it lately | 11:27 |
| jelkner | they already spend significant money on the proprietary tools | 11:27 |
| jelkner | our only path forward is to leverage the power of collaboration to beat the proprietary solutions | 11:28 |
| jelkner | that's why we've been looking into things like tryton | 11:28 |
| jelkner | and why this RPF is such a good one for us to pursue | 11:29 |
| jelkner | Anyway, what do we need to submit this on time? | 11:30 |
| jelkner | Let me work on that intro paragraph | 11:30 |
| jelkner | Give me 15 minutes... | 11:30 |
| louisea | Everything that the proposal asks for is in bold headlines | 11:31 |
| German_ | Nova web development is located in arlington? louisea | 11:32 |
| louisea | The parts that will probably take some effort are "Response Time" "Standard Development and Support Methodology" and the budget | 11:32 |
| louisea | German_ yes. | 11:33 |
| German_ | just Arlington?, louisea | 11:33 |
| jelkner | OK, just a few tweaks on those intro paragraphs | 11:34 |
| louisea | why do you ask German_? | 11:34 |
| louisea | For legal purposes documents get sent to Arlington. | 11:35 |
| louisea | As far as where work get's done, it's virtual | 11:35 |
| jelkner | louisea, you will need to emphasize replaceafill's lead role on the SchoolTool project (http://schooltool.org) and Kevin's long history as a general purpose programmer at Gallaudet for this RFP. | 11:36 |
| German_ | I'm writing a simple description that I'll use for SEO, louisea | 11:36 |
| jelkner | SchoolTool was a large, open source web application | 11:36 |
| jelkner | the source code is publicly available and replaceafill was the last lead developer on the project | 11:37 |
| louisea | German_ then how about Washington, D.C, Arlington, VA and El Salvador? | 11:37 |
| jelkner | the folks as NDI can look and see what replaceafill can do | 11:37 |
| jelkner | that will be our strongest selling point | 11:37 |
| German_ | Thanks, louisea | 11:37 |
| jelkner | also, ubuntourist's many years of professional experience and networking with the free software movement in DC is a big plus. | 11:38 |
| louisea | okay. I'll get that in there. | 11:40 |
| jelkner | louisea, you are going to need to talk directly to replaceafill and ubuntourist on the cost section | 11:41 |
| louisea | what to do you think about these other clinets? | 11:41 |
| louisea | jelkner_ okay | 11:41 |
| louisea | are they worth keeping? | 11:42 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking... | 11:43 |
| jelkner | for this RFP, most of the other sites (Rosslyn Rotary, BRAVO, AEA, and honestly, even the PWPC sites) are not really web applications as much as web sites. | 11:44 |
| jelkner | only SchoolTool really ranks as the kind of large scale, web application development they will be asking us to do. | 11:45 |
| louisea | I thought you might say that | 11:45 |
| jelkner | SchoolTool is actually bigger than what they are asking us to do, so it is our strongest resume item | 11:45 |
| louisea | I think only keeping the SchoolTool is best then | 11:46 |
| louisea | keep it simple and short | 11:46 |
| jelkner | Great | 11:46 |
| louisea | what about the work at Gallaudet? | 11:46 |
| jelkner | Yes, the Gallaudet project also | 11:46 |
| louisea | Okay, so keep those two and a few bullet points summarizing those projects | 11:46 |
| jelkner | that is software written in Python for a research project | 11:46 |
| jelkner | Yes, and that brings our two principles, replaceafill and ubuntourist, squarely into the RFP where they need to be | 11:47 |
| German_ | If you type "NOVA Web Development Arlington, VA" on google we should appear on the second page. | 11:48 |
| German_ | jelkner, | 11:48 |
| louisea | hey, I have to step away from the computer for a sec | 11:49 |
| louisea | on a phone call | 11:49 |
| jelkner | Actually, just "NOVA Web Development" and we appear on the first page | 11:49 |
| jelkner | ok | 11:49 |
| German_ | Really?, jelkner | 11:49 |
| jelkner | i have a large monitor, German_, so it may be the 2nd page for you ;-) | 11:51 |
| jelkner | i see 4 adds, then we are the 4th non-add listing | 11:51 |
| German_ | Ok, I think SEO is working. jelkner | 11:51 |
| jelkner | sweet! | 11:51 |
| jelkner | you da man, German_! | 11:51 |
| German_ | ;-) | 11:51 |
| German_ | I'm waiting for Elizabeth's answer,but maybe she's busy | 11:52 |
| jelkner | I will see her tomorrow evening | 11:52 |
| louisea | I'm back | 11:52 |
| German_ | Great!, jelkner | 11:52 |
| jelkner | so I'll check-in with her | 11:52 |
| German_ | welcome back, louisea | 11:53 |
| louisea | thank you thank you | 11:53 |
| jelkner | louisea, can we talk "big picture" for a few minutes? | 11:53 |
| louisea | jelkner... certainly | 11:53 |
| louisea | so big that it's not work related | 11:53 |
| louisea | ? | 11:53 |
| louisea | that would be even more fun | 11:54 |
| jelkner | on the RFP side, you will need resumes from both replaceafill and ubuntourist | 11:54 |
| jelkner | no, i mean "big picture" NOVA Web Development | 11:54 |
| louisea | ahhhh. well that's okay | 11:54 |
| jelkner | as we have been saying, getting German_ working full time for us, with part time work for the rest of the young developers, is the goal we should be shooting for | 11:55 |
| jelkner | this RFP is a high end web application job not directly related to that. | 11:56 |
| jelkner | i have a sense that success will require a synergy | 11:56 |
| jelkner | between the high end, big $$ gigs that establish our reputation and provide a pathway of growth for the younger developers | 11:57 |
| German_ | I'm leaving, talk to you soon jelkner and louisea | 11:57 |
| jelkner | later, German_, thanks! | 11:57 |
| louisea | take it easy German_ | 11:57 |
| German_ | Thx!, jelkner | 11:57 |
| * German_ is leaving the office | 11:57 | |
| louisea | yeah, I think that you are right about that jelkner | 11:57 |
| jelkner | and web sites like the ones we are doing for the candidates | 11:57 |
| jelkner | that are lower $$, will need to be much more numerous, but provide work experience for less experienced developers | 11:58 |
| jelkner | anyway, that's all i wanted to say on this | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i think about it all the time | 11:58 |
| louisea | I've read of some business rule of thumb | 11:58 |
| jelkner | finding that synergy is our quest | 11:58 |
| louisea | 90% of the revenue comes from 10% of the clients | 11:59 |
| louisea | something like that. | 11:59 |
| jelkner | that sounds good | 11:59 |
| jelkner | it's funny, there is a similar rule in software development | 11:59 |
| jelkner | the first 90% of the project takes 10% of the time | 11:59 |
| jelkner | and the last 10% takes 90% of the time | 12:00 |
| jelkner | it is really important for beginners to learn that | 12:00 |
| louisea | yeah those rules are good for setting reasonable expectations | 12:00 |
| jelkner | i get some wiz bang young folks who *love* working on the first 90%, but hate that last 10% ;) | 12:00 |
| louisea | yeah that last 10% is too boring | 12:01 |
| jelkner | tedious, painful, aggravating | 12:01 |
| jelkner | that's what makes a pro | 12:01 |
| louisea | 10% inspiration 90% perspiration | 12:01 |
| jelkner | someone who can slog through that | 12:02 |
| jelkner | indeed | 12:02 |
| louisea | better to chill under a tree with a drink and a friend | 12:02 |
| jelkner | ok, do you need any more from me at the moment? | 12:02 |
| louisea | nope, I'll email replacefill and ubuntuourist | 12:02 |
| jelkner | i'll bring my tablet to our breakfast tomorrow so we can look over what you've got | 12:03 |
| louisea | I'll CC you | 12:03 |
| jelkner | thanks | 12:03 |
| jelkner | they should give you resumes | 12:03 |
| louisea | yup and answers to the other questions. | 12:03 |
| jelkner | sweet | 12:03 |
| jelkner | see you tomorrow for breakfast | 12:03 |
| louisea | see you tomorrow morning | 12:03 |
| louisea | I'm out | 12:03 |
| jelkner | A member of our OR Arlington cooperative group just sent us a link to a good video on what coops are: http://www.toolboxfored.org/project/own-the-change/ | 17:36 |
| jelkner | !reminder Recommend http://www.toolboxfored.org/project/own-the-change/ for NOVA Websters to view and discuss as we decide how to organize ourselves. | 17:44 |
| jelkner | !remind Recommend http://www.toolboxfored.org/project/own-the-change/ for NOVA Websters to view and discuss as we decide how to organize ourselves. | 17:45 |
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