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| jelkner | Good morning mjsir911! What's the news on this evening? | 09:49 |
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| mjsir911 | I'll be able to come in from 4-5 and stay until whenever | 09:50 |
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| jelkner | Great, mjsir911, we have *much* to talk about! | 10:26 |
| jelkner | Good morning, replaceafill! | 10:26 |
| jelkner | We were going to talk about CiviCRM, but the documentation appears to be awesome, so i don't really need any help yet | 10:26 |
| jelkner | i'm busy reading: https://docs.civicrm.org/user/en/latest/ | 10:27 |
| replaceafill | good morning jelkner | 10:27 |
| jelkner | I read the use cases section. | 10:27 |
| jelkner | It really does seem CiviCRM will be just what we are looking for | 10:27 |
| jelkner | The Green Party in Australia is one of the use cases | 10:28 |
| replaceafill | :) | 10:28 |
| jelkner | and the others align with our hoped for customer base | 10:28 |
| jelkner | so our goal should be to offer CiviCRM support and customization in the DC metro area | 10:29 |
| jelkner | (and in San Salvador! ;-) | 10:29 |
| replaceafill | let's start in DC :) | 10:29 |
| jelkner | lol | 10:29 |
| jelkner | yes, we will | 10:29 |
| jelkner | but let's dream of San Salvador, too, yes? | 10:30 |
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| replaceafill | indeed | 10:30 |
| jelkner | And now that Z0nny is here, maybe Bolivia too | 10:30 |
| jelkner | we're an international group, after all | 10:31 |
| jelkner | the world is our canvas | 10:31 |
| jelkner | ok, back to reading | 10:31 |
| jelkner | ACTION returns to the CiviCRM user guide | 10:31 |
| mjsir911 | hey someone get dsmall looking at his messages | 11:06 |
| dsmall | mjsir911, I did | 11:15 |
| mjsir911 | thx | 11:15 |
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| mr_german | hello, good morning | 11:41 |
| jelkner | Good morning, mr_german! | 11:44 |
| jelkner | Let's see how far you can get today with helios | 11:44 |
| mr_german | hello jelkner how are you? | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, speaking of helios | 11:44 |
| jelkner | yes, replaceafill? | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, since you were in a rush yesterday | 11:44 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner, we didn't discuss the new server for helios | 11:45 |
| replaceafill | discuss about* | 11:45 |
| jelkner | you should just tell mjsir911 what you need and let him allocate it for you | 11:45 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, can we meet at Gallaudet at 12 noon tomorrow? | 11:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok, will do | 11:45 |
| mjsir911 | on what server? | 11:45 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, we need a new server for testing helios | 11:46 |
| jelkner | i thought you were adding a new one for that? | 11:46 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, tomorrow at 12:00 it is. | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, webfaction kills a lot of processes when we try to run helios + its celery jobs | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, including the irc bots :S | 11:48 |
| mjsir911 | oh right | 11:48 |
| jelkner | not webfaction | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, so i was thinking we could use a dedicated sever with 1GB of RAM | 11:48 |
| jelkner | linode | 11:48 |
| mjsir911 | so another linode instance? | 11:48 |
| jelkner | lol | 11:48 |
| jelkner | yup | 11:48 |
| jelkner | you have all the access you need to bring up new vms whenever you choose, yes? | 11:49 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, excellent. | 11:50 |
| jelkner | i'm waiting for the new hard drive for windows 10 to arrive today | 11:50 |
| jelkner | i've downloaded the iso | 11:50 |
| jelkner | so i should have it installed before i come | 11:50 |
| jelkner | if not, we'll have to install there | 11:50 |
| replaceafill | windows 10?!?!!? | 11:50 |
| replaceafill | first time i heard that coming from jelkner! | 11:51 |
| jelkner | don't ask, replaceafill :-( | 11:51 |
| jelkner | we have two interns working on VR programming for the oculus rift at Gallaudet | 11:51 |
| jelkner | unfortunately, free tools are not an option :-( | 11:51 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, i even purchased a license | 11:52 |
| jelkner | it hurt, but i did it | 11:52 |
| mr_german | :o | 11:53 |
| jelkner | i know i'm going straight to FSF hell | 11:53 |
| jelkner | but it couldn't be avoided | 11:53 |
| replaceafill | :)) | 11:53 |
| ubuntourist | My pain is of the Mac OS X variety these days. ;-) | 11:53 |
| jelkner | even worse than windows these days | 11:53 |
| jelkner | in terms of evil i mean | 11:53 |
| mr_german | at the moment, I'm working on what you said replaceafill | 11:53 |
| ubuntourist | We are beholden to our employers. | 11:54 |
| jelkner | unless we become our own employers, ubuntourist | 11:54 |
| jelkner | which is our point, really | 11:54 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, maybe today after the meeting I can show you what I've done | 11:54 |
| jelkner | though sometimes we will still be beholden to our customers | 11:54 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, are you able to customize the booth now? | 11:55 |
| jelkner | mr_german, the most important thing is to get ericsaenz using helios ASAP | 11:55 |
| jelkner | we have him for two and a half weeks | 11:55 |
| jelkner | if we can't enable him to be productive | 11:55 |
| jelkner | novawebdeve suffers greatly | 11:55 |
| jelkner | squandered opportunity | 11:55 |
| jelkner | let's not do that | 11:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's why the new vps is priority now | 11:56 |
| jelkner | yes | 11:56 |
| replaceafill | i can help setting that up | 11:56 |
| replaceafill | for mr_german and ericsaenz to use/share | 11:56 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, can you give replaceafill what he needs, or will you do it? | 11:56 |
| jelkner | i know you're at work | 11:56 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, s/employers/customers/ then. I'm still habituated to my old life. Gallaudet paid me as an employee, now Gallaudet pays me as a consultant. | 11:56 |
| jelkner | don't want to get you in trouble | 11:56 |
| mjsir911 | I'll do it in a bit, how urgent does he need it? | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, any time today is fine | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, is making progress locally | 11:57 |
| ubuntourist | BRB. Need caffeine. | 11:57 |
| jelkner | if he and mr_german can be using it by the 5 pm time that ericsaenze leaves | 11:57 |
| jelkner | all will be well | 11:57 |
| mr_german | yes, I am, replaceafill | 11:58 |
| mjsir911 | any OS in particular? | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | ubuntu 16.04 is fine mjsir911 | 12:02 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, if you can let me manage the linode that'd be great | 12:04 |
| mjsir911 | I'll try | 12:04 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, so we don't need to distract you from work | 12:04 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, thanks | 12:04 |
| mjsir911 | you have an account | 12:05 |
| mjsir911 | replaceafill-gctaa | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, ah great | 12:05 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, you'll set up helios? | 12:07 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes | 12:07 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, oh ok! | 12:07 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i'll try to do it correctly this time | 12:07 |
| mr_german | oka | 12:08 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, I'll back to work while you're setting up helios | 12:10 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok | 12:10 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, do you have a github account? | 12:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i need you help | 12:14 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, brb | 12:25 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i restored my replaceafill-gctaa account | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, should i take it from here? | 12:36 |
| mjsir911 | yes please | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i don't see any OS set up | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, ok | 12:36 |
| mjsir911 | I created a helios instance but didnt flash an OS | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, thanks a lot | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, sure | 12:36 |
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| mr_german | Im back replaceafill | 12:47 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok | 12:48 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, what key should i add to the helios server for you: https://github.com/gfbot.keys | 12:48 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, do you use them all? | 12:49 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, give me a sec | 12:49 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ericsaenz what ssh usernames should i set for you in the helios server? | 12:50 |
| mr_german | yes replaceafill all of them | 12:51 |
| mr_german | for me 'gfbot' replaceafill | 12:51 |
| mr_german | thx | 12:51 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, can you ssh into 45.79.165.226 | 13:07 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, that's the new helios server | 13:07 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you should have sudo on it, but don't do anything just yet | 13:08 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, just confirm that ssh works | 13:08 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and you can try "sudo ls" or something | 13:08 |
| mr_german | ok | 13:08 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, it works | 13:09 |
| mr_german | ;) | 13:09 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool thanks | 13:09 |
| replaceafill | i'll wait for ericsaenz to reply so i can create another user | 13:09 |
| mr_german | it says 'gfbot@localhost' | 13:09 |
| mr_german | k | 13:09 |
| replaceafill | oh good catch, i'll change the hostname | 13:09 |
| mr_german | :) | 13:10 |
| ericsaenz | sorry replaceafill, I was eating lunch. My account is ericsaenz but I'm not familiar with github | 13:11 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, no problem | 13:12 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, hmm, have you used ssh before? | 13:12 |
| ericsaenz | no, replaceafill | 13:12 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, ok | 13:12 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, we'll create a helios account for you once i finish setting that up then | 13:13 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, is jelkner around? | 13:13 |
| ericsaenz | replaceafill, yes | 13:13 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, please tell him i need his help | 13:13 |
| ericsaenz | he's helping another intern out right now but he should be able to soon | 13:14 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, what's up? | 13:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm trying to recover the password for novawebdevelopment@gmail.com | 13:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and the phone for the recovery code is: (•••) •••-••06 | 13:16 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, do you have access to that? | 13:16 |
| jelkner | hmmm, let me see | 13:16 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you may also have received an email titled "Google Verification Code" | 13:16 |
| jelkner | not yet i didn't | 13:17 |
| jelkner | good, we're set | 13:26 |
| replaceafill | yep | 13:26 |
| replaceafill | thanks! | 13:26 |
| jelkner | i'm going to be a basket case by tonight's meeting | 13:28 |
| jelkner | but we should really turn over the recovery email for that account to someone else | 13:29 |
| replaceafill | jelkner is the novawebdevelopment.com domain handled with your TierraNet dns account? | 13:54 |
| jelkner | yes | 13:55 |
| mr_german | ACTION goes to lunch, he will back in an hour | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | could you point helios.novawebdevelopment.com to 45.79.165.226 | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sorry to bother you but this is necessary | 13:56 |
| jelkner | np | 13:56 |
| jelkner | things are quiet here now | 13:56 |
| jelkner | i'm available | 13:56 |
| replaceafill | cool :) | 13:56 |
| jelkner | anything else i can do, replaceafill? | 13:58 |
| replaceafill | just the dns change for now | 13:59 |
| jelkner | i'm on it | 13:59 |
| jelkner | we have .com .net and .org | 14:01 |
| jelkner | should i do them all? | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | sure | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | com is enough | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | but the other don't hurt | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | others* | 14:01 |
| jelkner | done | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | thanks | 14:03 |
| jelkner | i forgot, we also have novawebcoop.org ;-) | 14:04 |
| jelkner | i didn't set that one | 14:04 |
| replaceafill | that's fine | 14:04 |
| replaceafill | i'll start with the com | 14:04 |
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| replaceafill | mr_german, ericsaenz do you have gmail accounts? | 14:52 |
| ericsaenz | yes replaceafill | 14:52 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, can you share it? i'll set your helios user to use that | 14:53 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, i mean, share your email address :) | 14:53 |
| ericsaenz | replaceafill, my address is ecsnz3@gmail.com | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, thanks | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, could you please visit: http://helios.novawebdevelopment.com/ | 14:55 |
| replaceafill | does it load for you? | 14:56 |
| ericsaenz | yes, replaceafill | 14:56 |
| replaceafill | google login is still broken | 14:56 |
| replaceafill | but i want to know if you can see it | 14:56 |
| ericsaenz | i can, but i can't log in | 14:56 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, sure, thanks working on it | 14:57 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, Im back | 14:59 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, what's your gmail address? | 15:03 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, this one germ4nm0nster@gmail.com | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, thanks | 15:04 |
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| mr_german | replaceafill, should I use the same colors for Helios? | 16:04 |
| mr_german | that we use for nova? | 16:05 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, same colors? | 16:05 |
| mr_german | *website* | 16:05 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ah | 16:05 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, sure | 16:05 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, this is just a test | 16:05 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, k | 16:05 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, oh | 16:05 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, the point is that you learn how to modify it | 16:05 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, not that you have a polished version | 16:05 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, something simple is fine | 16:06 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, in that case, Can I use my own colors? | 16:06 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, that's fine | 16:06 |
| mr_german | k | 16:06 |
| mr_german | ty | 16:06 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, do you have a minute or 3? | 16:10 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, just a minute, i'm trying to finish this helios setup | 16:11 |
| replaceafill | almost done | 16:11 |
| jelkner | sorry | 16:11 |
| jelkner | i can wait | 16:11 |
| replaceafill | ok... | 16:17 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ericsaenz http://helios.novawebdevelopment.com/ should be ready | 16:17 |
| replaceafill | please try to log in with your gmail accounts | 16:17 |
| replaceafill | and let me know if login works | 16:17 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, done | 16:17 |
| mr_german | it works | 16:18 |
| ericsaenz | it works for me as well | 16:18 |
| mr_german | I have Admin too :D | 16:18 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, do you see Admin in the top right part of the page? | 16:18 |
| ericsaenz | yep | 16:18 |
| replaceafill | great | 16:18 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, just so you know | 16:18 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, yep I can see the admin interface | 16:18 |
| jelkner | mission accomplished! | 16:18 |
| replaceafill | we haven't found a user manual for this :S | 16:18 |
| jelkner | with 40 minutes to spare ;-) | 16:19 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, we may have to write one | 16:19 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, so this will require a bit of fiddling on your part | 16:19 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, and none of us know this system well yet | 16:19 |
| replaceafill | ericsaenz, that's where i hope you can help :) | 16:19 |
| dsmall | replaceafill, ericsaenz, if you guys need random testers I am here | 16:20 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ericsaenz at this point we need to create an election | 16:20 |
| replaceafill | dsmall, ah thanks! | 16:20 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, im on it | 16:20 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool | 16:20 |
| jelkner | definitely, dsmall, that will be a big help | 16:20 |
| replaceafill | we need to see if the celery worker.... works! | 16:20 |
| replaceafill | dsmall, what's your gmail address? | 16:20 |
| replaceafill | dsmall, so i can create a user for you | 16:21 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, let's do a wee bit of planning | 16:21 |
| dsmall | replaceafill, thedunx@Gmail.com ... I made it about 9 years ago :/ | 16:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 16:22 |
| jelkner | ericsaenz and dsmall are off tomorrow | 16:22 |
| jelkner | on a field trip | 16:22 |
| jelkner | then on thursday, they will be here from 9 am to 12 noon | 16:22 |
| jelkner | i'm leaving for north carolina to the red hat academy meeting | 16:23 |
| jelkner | so they will be working from home on thurday afternoon and friday | 16:23 |
| replaceafill | dsmall, what's your full name? | 16:23 |
| dsmall | Duncan Small | 16:23 |
| replaceafill | dsmall, thanks | 16:23 |
| dsmall | replaceafill, np | 16:23 |
| jelkner | dsmall, why don't you ask replaceafill *his* full name? ;-) | 16:24 |
| jelkner | since it has nothing to do with replaceafill | 16:24 |
| jelkner | anyway, we don't want to loose a day and a half | 16:24 |
| replaceafill | dsmall, mine is Douglas Cerna :) | 16:24 |
| jelkner | so i'm hoping they will still access this channel from home | 16:24 |
| replaceafill | dsmall, ok, i created an account for you | 16:24 |
| jelkner | and work with mr_german to get some elections run | 16:25 |
| replaceafill | dsmall, helios.novawebdevelopment.com | 16:25 |
| dsmall | replaceafill, how did you get to replaceafill? | 16:25 |
| dsmall | replaceafill, awesome thanks | 16:25 |
| replaceafill | dsmall, filling a form for napster a long time ago | 16:25 |
| replaceafill | dsmall, i just picked random words to create a username :S | 16:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sounds good to me | 16:26 |
| dsmall | replaceafill, thats a lot more interesting than mine | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | dsmall, :D | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | ok, so since all of you are testing helios | 16:28 |
| replaceafill | first instruction: don't be afraid to break anything | 16:28 |
| replaceafill | data, server whatever | 16:28 |
| replaceafill | part of the point of this exercise is to know how it breaks | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | to learn* | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | and also learn to use it correctly | 16:29 |
| mr_german | k | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | basically you create an election, and set some email addresses to send it | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | at this point only google addresses will work | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | because the user will need to log in to cast the vote | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | so try to share your gmail accounts | 16:30 |
| mr_german | got it | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, are ericsaenz and dsmall in the nova websters list? | 16:30 |
| mr_german | ericsaenz, if you need help, just ask me | 16:31 |
| ericsaenz | okay mr_german | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | my gmail address is replaceafill@gmail.com in case you want to add me to your elections | 16:32 |
| jelkner | no, replaceafill | 16:32 |
| jelkner | there aren't enough of us on helios that we need a new list | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, hm? | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, new list? | 16:33 |
| jelkner | i was thinking you wanted a mailing list for this | 16:33 |
| jelkner | never mind | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no i was asking if they are in our mailing list? | 16:33 |
| jelkner | they are not | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | ok | 16:34 |
| jelkner | i was wondering why you were asking | 16:34 |
| jelkner | assuming you wanted to communicate through a mailing list | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | we should make a gmail addresses inventory | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | if we're just testing helios with gmail at this point | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | yours, Kevin's, Marco's, etc | 16:35 |
| jelkner | yes | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, can you take care of that? | 16:35 |
| jelkner | great idea, put mr_german on it! ;-) | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, a shared google doc is fine | 16:35 |
| mr_german | oka | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, thanks | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, try to have it ready by tomorrow please | 16:36 |
| mr_german | oka | 16:36 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, sure | 16:36 |
| mr_german | :) | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i know you don't want to hear this, but | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | working on setting this up makes me realize how far we are | 16:38 |
| jelkner | ACTION covers his ears | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | this needs "infrastructure" we don't have | 16:38 |
| jelkner | explain | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | just creating a single user is a PITA | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | because the system is not very user friendly | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | we haven't learned how to integrate django auth | 16:39 |
| jelkner | i wonder how the PSF does it? | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | how to start the celery workers in thebackground | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, they probably have a support contract with an experienced provider ;) | 16:40 |
| jelkner | sounds like an important discussion for tonight's meeting | 16:40 |
| jelkner | !remind 1. Discuss time line for determining if helios and CiviCRM is something we can do | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | CiviCRM is way more newbie friendly | 16:41 |
| replaceafill | installation is by far less complicated | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | user setup, heh, thanks Drupal | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | theming, same | 16:42 |
| jelkner | !help remind | 16:43 |
| Big_Brother | Remind about events | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, did you try sending the election? | 16:45 |
| mr_german | the election is done | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | i just got a smtp error | 16:46 |
| mr_german | but now, I'm adding gmail accounts | 16:46 |
| mr_german | :D | 16:46 |
| mr_german | it takes time | 16:46 |
| mr_german | jeje | 16:46 |
| mr_german | oh wait | 16:48 |
| jelkner | i just got a message from google | 16:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 16:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i just turn on the access for the app | 16:48 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, I'll send an email to the list | 16:49 |
| mr_german | with the link of the election | 16:49 |
| jelkner | https://pastebin.com/iBFK1dgs | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, why? | 16:49 |
| mr_german | what do you think? | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, don't worry, that's expected | 16:49 |
| jelkner | ok | 16:50 |
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| replaceafill | mr_german, the addresses you added should receive the email, right? | 16:50 |
| mr_german | yep | 16:50 |
| mr_german | nvm | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | and people who you didn't add as voters won't be able to do anything | 16:50 |
| mjsir911_mobile | jelkner, im not going to be able to come in today | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | dsmall, ericsaenz try to create/send an election | 16:51 |
| ericsaenz | alright | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | dsmall, ericsaenz it's ok if you get stuck or can't make it | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | as he already said, if you have questions ask mr_german | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | he's the one with most helios experience around | 16:52 |
| jelkner | they are about to leave | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | np | 16:53 |
| jelkner | but they will be back thursday | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | no rush :) | 16:53 |
| mr_german | so.. | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ? | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ah! | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, there's an option "anyone can vote" | 16:58 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, can we have a quick google hangout | 16:59 |
| mr_german | ? | 16:59 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i can't, i'm about to leave | 16:59 |
| mr_german | oh | 16:59 |
| mr_german | :( | 16:59 |
| mr_german | ok | 16:59 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, after the meeting | 16:59 |
| mr_german | brb | 17:00 |
| jelkner | mjsir911_mobile, are you coming here? | 17:20 |
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| jelkner | mjsir911_mobile, r u here? | 17:33 |
| mjsir911_mobile | if i can come in at all it will be late | 17:34 |
| mjsir911_mobile | do you need me physically there for any particular reason? | 17:34 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, are you there? | 17:36 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes | 17:37 |
| mr_german | I found an Issue | 17:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, with? | 17:38 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, http://helios.novawebdevelopment.com/helios/elections/8ff0e604-6677-11e7-906d-f23c917bc094/voters/email | 17:38 |
| mr_german | that happens when I try to send the email to the voters | 17:40 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes, the smtp is not working | 17:40 |
| replaceafill | i still don't know why | 17:40 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you can switch to working locally now | 17:41 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i'll let you know when i fix it | 17:41 |
| replaceafill | hopefully tomorrow | 17:41 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, ok :D | 17:41 |
| mr_german | thx replaceafill | 17:41 |
| jelkner | i was just asking, mjsir911_mobile, since you told me you were coming in | 17:47 |
| jelkner | and i was thinking on running an errand | 17:48 |
| jelkner | and didn't want to leave if you were coming | 17:48 |
| jelkner | since you're not, np | 17:48 |
| jelkner | you'll be at our meeting, yes? | 17:48 |
| mjsir911_mobile | yea | 17:48 |
| jelkner | ok, replaceafill seems to be suggesting that helios is too big a fish for us to fry | 17:49 |
| jelkner | it would be good to have your input on that as well | 17:49 |
| jelkner | ACTION runs our for a quick dinner | 17:50 |
| jelkner | bbb 7 pm | 17:50 |
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| jelkner | Good evening louisea and ncerna! | 18:59 |
| louisea | good evening | 18:59 |
| Big_Brother | 1. Discuss time line for determining if helios and CiviCRM is something we can do | 19:00 |
| nrcerna | good evening | 19:00 |
| replaceafill | hello everybody | 19:00 |
| mr_german | hi! | 19:00 |
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| jelkner | your bot works, mjsir911! | 19:00 |
| jelkner | are we ready to roll? | 19:01 |
| mjsir911 | Yep, I missed it though so ill check the logs quickly | 19:01 |
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| mjsir911 | It also keeps a persistent state on reboot now | 19:01 |
| louisea | yeah I'm ready | 19:01 |
| replaceafill | go go go | 19:01 |
| jelkner | don't know where ubuntourist is | 19:01 |
| jelkner | we basically have only one *big* item on our agenda | 19:02 |
| jelkner | how do we become a viable cooperative business? | 19:02 |
| jelkner | i don't want to put him on the spot, but we will be relying a lot on louisea to figure that out | 19:03 |
| jelkner | i called him earlier this week to suggest that we should move toward having him take over the meetings | 19:03 |
| louisea | it's fine to put me on the spot. | 19:03 |
| jelkner | sweet, you're on | 19:03 |
| louisea | again. with my work schedule I cannot yet take on that responsibility | 19:04 |
| louisea | well, if I were to it would be unproductive | 19:04 |
| jelkner | i don't think we will be able to be "productive" in the business sense until you have the time | 19:04 |
| jelkner | we are still "skilling up" | 19:05 |
| louisea | certainly the case. and my schedule will be free in the near future. | 19:05 |
| jelkner | and while we wait, we should work out a start up budget, yes? | 19:05 |
| louisea | yes we should work out a start up budget | 19:05 |
| louisea | one variable will be 1. salaries | 19:06 |
| jelkner | and then all of us will see the budget, and take ownership of how it is spent | 19:06 |
| louisea | and the other would be operating costs if we can envision any | 19:06 |
| jelkner | that will be a small fraction of our costs | 19:07 |
| jelkner | which will be almost totally salaries | 19:07 |
| louisea | I know that I am happy to work at $20.00/hr and for 30 hours per week starting late August | 19:08 |
| jelkner | good, those are some concrete numbers | 19:08 |
| jelkner | while we wait for august | 19:08 |
| jelkner | we need to continue getting "skilled up" | 19:08 |
| jelkner | we only just started with civicrm | 19:09 |
| louisea | and as soon as time permits, some thought needs to be put into concrete expectations and timelines for any projects we agree upon | 19:09 |
| jelkner | and replaceafill is thinking helios may be beyond our reach | 19:09 |
| jelkner | so i was hoping he and mjsir911 could sort that out | 19:09 |
| replaceafill | it'll require some time invested | 19:09 |
| louisea | so it sounds like we need to choose a feasible project | 19:11 |
| jelkner | we have a month to decide, replaceafill, but once we get louisea working 30 hours looking for customers | 19:11 |
| jelkner | we need to have a clear offering | 19:11 |
| replaceafill | indeed | 19:11 |
| jelkner | i just think we need some real platform to support | 19:11 |
| jelkner | we have successfully gathered a front end team | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | i'd start with CiviCRM | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | as an offering | 19:12 |
| jelkner | with mr_german, ncerna, and replaceafill | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | helios doesn't even have documentation | 19:12 |
| jelkner | ok, i'm hearing you | 19:12 |
| jelkner | we have to put everything into civicrm | 19:13 |
| jelkner | during the next two and 1/2 weeks, though, i'm hoping we can get some more investigation into helios from our interns | 19:13 |
| jelkner | otherwise, their skills go wasted | 19:13 |
| jelkner | it was an unexpected opportunity for novawebdeve | 19:14 |
| jelkner | and it is seizing on opportunities that leads to success | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | problem is we don't have a testing plan yet | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | "learn to use it" is to abstract | 19:15 |
| replaceafill | too* | 19:15 |
| jelkner | well, how about start out with a small "user story" | 19:15 |
| jelkner | i want to vote for my favorite pizza toppings | 19:16 |
| jelkner | we could at least ask them to email the community and see if there is any support out there | 19:16 |
| jelkner | that would be a big help in figuring out if we can do this | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | that SHOULD be part of the plan | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | look for a damn manual | 19:16 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, have you had any chance to look at it? | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | someone has to have one... | 19:17 |
| jelkner | it may be one of those nasty situations where they say "look at the source code" :-( | 19:17 |
| mjsir911 | I haven't looked at helios enough to understand the complexity | 19:17 |
| jelkner | ok, i won't push too hard | 19:17 |
| mjsir911 | It seems to just be dependent on a lot of other systems being configured correctly | 19:17 |
| jelkner | in the mean time, i agree that a focus on the well documented civicrm is most important | 19:18 |
| jelkner | that's what elizabeth guzman needs | 19:18 |
| jelkner | and nea | 19:18 |
| jelkner | and nea4or | 19:18 |
| jelkner | etc | 19:18 |
| jelkner | so we have real "customers" to test that with | 19:19 |
| replaceafill | correct | 19:19 |
| jelkner | we need to do that ASAP | 19:19 |
| jelkner | so that we know we can work with it | 19:19 |
| jelkner | and then we will have our business | 19:19 |
| jelkner | plan | 19:19 |
| louisea | right now I'm doing some research into organizations that provide support for CiviCRM and I came across this https://aghstrategies.com | 19:20 |
| louisea | they are located here in DC. and if I'm not mistaken, are doing what we envision doing | 19:20 |
| jelkner | more or less | 19:21 |
| jelkner | i think sanjay is connected with this group | 19:21 |
| replaceafill | i bookmarked this yesterday: https://twitter.com/cbracy/status/884490425985187840 | 19:21 |
| jelkner | he is a friend of ubuntourist who has been pushing us to join the civicrm community for years | 19:21 |
| jelkner | nice! | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | louisea, that tweet has some other CRM providers | 19:22 |
| jelkner | that's the space we want to play in | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | right | 19:22 |
| jelkner | so we need to see how well we can | 19:22 |
| louisea | got it | 19:23 |
| jelkner | ok, unless anyone else has anything | 19:23 |
| jelkner | that wraps it up, yes? | 19:23 |
| louisea | yup | 19:23 |
| jelkner | we know what we have to do | 19:23 |
| jelkner | now let's do it! | 19:23 |
| jelkner | ok, everyone, have a great evening | 19:23 |
| replaceafill | thanks everyone | 19:24 |
| jelkner | louisea, to get you in practice | 19:24 |
| jelkner | you have to say "/me drops the bag of gravel" | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | :D | 19:24 |
| louisea | ACTION drops the bag of grave | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | l | 19:24 |
| replaceafill | :) | 19:24 |
| louisea | haha, the pressure was too much! | 19:25 |
| mr_german | lol | 19:25 |
| replaceafill | :D | 19:25 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, what do you need exactly? | 19:25 |
| mr_german | can we have a quick meeting? | 19:25 |
| mr_german | before we leave? | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, what do you need? | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i'm about to leave again :S | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | but i'll be back in an hour or so | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | does that work for you? | 19:26 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, mm no | 19:27 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, I won't be around | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | what do you need from me? | 19:27 |
| mr_german | tomorrow? | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | tomorrow works | 19:27 |
| mr_german | ok | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | i'll work on helios in the morning (our time) | 19:27 |
| mr_german | ok | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | fixing the smtp issue | 19:27 |
| mr_german | k | 19:27 |
| mr_german | thx | 19:28 |
| mr_german | o/ | 19:28 |
| replaceafill | ok | 19:28 |
| mr_german | im out | 19:28 |
| replaceafill | see you tomorrow then | 19:28 |
| mr_german | cya | 19:28 |
| mr_german | :D | 19:28 |
| mr_german | ACTION peace o/ | 19:28 |
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