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| ubuntourist | !help | 10:19 |
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| Big_Brother | Available commands: !help, !ping, !remind | 10:19 |
| ubuntourist | !remind | 10:19 |
| Big_Brother | Talk about website optimization (the image on Lee Carter's site loads sloooowly, for example) | 10:19 |
| ubuntourist | !remind Roadmap to Mailman 3 migration? | 10:20 |
| Big_Brother | "Roadmap to Mailman 3 migration?" added to message queue | 10:20 |
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| Big_Brother | Talk about website optimization (the image on Lee Carter's site loads sloooowly, for example) | 10:30 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | Morning everyone! | 10:30 |
| jelkner | Top of the sunday morning to y'all | 10:30 |
| replaceafill | good morning everybody | 10:30 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro_, r u here? | 10:30 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | lelkneralfaro_, I am | 10:31 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | oops. meant jelkner there | 10:31 |
| jelkner | so you're driving, yes? | 10:31 |
| jelkner | where do we begin? | 10:31 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | let's begin at the top | 10:31 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 10:32 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | when did this website optimization issue come up? | 10:32 |
| jelkner | i've noticed it for a long time | 10:32 |
| jelkner | just thought now is a good time to learn about it | 10:32 |
| replaceafill | our website has similar issues | 10:32 |
| jelkner | the banner image on carterforviginia.org is BIG | 10:32 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION snarls and growls | 10:32 |
| jelkner | it loads very slowly | 10:32 |
| jelkner | so unless you have it in your browser cache, you wait 10 seconds before you see it | 10:33 |
| jelkner | i know from my reading that there are ways to handle this | 10:33 |
| jelkner | specifically, we could do two things: | 10:33 |
| jelkner | 1. make the image smaller (using jpeg compression perhaps?) | 10:34 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | I've never had too much of a problem with it. Definitely not 10 seconds | 10:34 |
| jelkner | 2. you can use javascript to preload the image instead of waiting for the DOM. | 10:34 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro_, the problem with these issues is that they are difficult to reproduce | 10:34 |
| jelkner | but i promise i have seen it take a long time to load | 10:35 |
| mjsir911 | I propose a third solution: load a small image and then upscale after the page has loaded | 10:35 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | okay. I trust you | 10:35 |
| jelkner | in any case, it isn't a serious problem now, but we need to become more professional | 10:35 |
| ubuntourist | How much quality loss / speed gain (cost/benefit) to switching to PNGs? | 10:35 |
| jelkner | so we need to learn now how to do these things | 10:35 |
| jelkner | its what the pros do | 10:35 |
| jelkner | we need to act more like them ;-) | 10:35 |
| ubuntourist | Scaling up a small image leads to pixelization... Or am I too asleep and missing the point? | 10:36 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, i don't know how easy to would be to simulate this problem easily so we could learn to address it | 10:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, there are tools to get you there | 10:36 |
| replaceafill | i can't find them atm | 10:37 |
| jelkner | np, let's just put it on our radar | 10:37 |
| replaceafill | it's like html/css validation | 10:37 |
| jelkner | ok, that's all i have on that issue | 10:37 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | before we move on, is this an issue particularly important to mr_german? | 10:38 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | and perhaps zOnny? | 10:38 |
| jelkner | mr_german, z0nny, and rena | 10:38 |
| jelkner | all our front end folks | 10:38 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | should I send out an email asking them to come up with a solution to the problem? | 10:39 |
| jelkner | sure | 10:39 |
| replaceafill | just for reference: https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=http://www.carterforvirginia.com/ | 10:39 |
| zOnny | I have found this problem before. | 10:40 |
| jelkner | ok, next? | 10:40 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | okay, yes, next | 10:40 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | git repo location | 10:40 |
| jelkner | that was mine, too | 10:40 |
| jelkner | someone could just send it to me | 10:40 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | alright, take it away | 10:40 |
| jelkner | i looked in both github and gitlab and didn't see it | 10:40 |
| jelkner | so i was just checking | 10:40 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | would that be mr_german? | 10:41 |
| jelkner | yes | 10:41 |
| jelkner | and he isn't here | 10:41 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | okay, I'll include that in an email as well | 10:41 |
| jelkner | so let's move on | 10:41 |
| jelkner | +1 | 10:41 |
| replaceafill | i think it's this one: https://bitbucket.org/novawebdevelopment/pwpc | 10:41 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | alright, did you add the next jelkner? !projects? | 10:41 |
| jelkner | yes, i forgot about bitbucket | 10:41 |
| jelkner | my senility is catching up with me :-( | 10:42 |
| jelkner | problem solved | 10:42 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | great | 10:42 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | so, the !projects to BigBrother? | 10:43 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | what's the purpose of this? | 10:43 |
| replaceafill | my idea was getting a way to avoid jelkner senility problem | 10:43 |
| replaceafill | which i have also tbh :) | 10:43 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | :) | 10:43 |
| mjsir911 | I'm not sure what thats supposed to be, but I just created a a repo on github for requests | 10:43 |
| replaceafill | what's the repo url? :) | 10:44 |
| mjsir911 | but you could give me the quick rundown here and expand on that over there | 10:44 |
| mjsir911 | https://github.com/novawebdevelopment/ircBot | 10:44 |
| mjsir911 | it's empty right now | 10:44 |
| ubuntourist | (Lee and Elizabeth are at git@bitbucket.org:novawebdevelopment/pwpc.git) | 10:44 |
| replaceafill | that's the question the bot should answer | 10:44 |
| mjsir911 | oh :P | 10:44 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, cool, i'll write the story there | 10:44 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, and we can discuss it | 10:44 |
| mjsir911 | Thanks, I'll get to putting the current code there | 10:44 |
| replaceafill | one thing i'd like to say | 10:44 |
| replaceafill | is that i'd like to push gitlab use instead of github | 10:44 |
| mjsir911 | that's a change I could make right now, does gitlab have public options? | 10:45 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, yes | 10:45 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, can you tell us why? | 10:45 |
| jelkner | i'm fine with it, but it would help me to know | 10:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, because you can run your own gitlab server if necessary | 10:46 |
| jelkner | ahh | 10:46 |
| replaceafill | https://packages.gitlab.com/gitlab/gitlab-ce | 10:46 |
| jelkner | totally! | 10:46 |
| jelkner | it brings us closer to freedom | 10:46 |
| replaceafill | yep | 10:46 |
| jelkner | nough said | 10:46 |
| replaceafill | and it gives us private repos :) | 10:46 |
| jelkner | cool, next item? | 10:47 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | not yet, I'm still not understanding the !projects | 10:47 |
| mjsir911 | really quickly, new url is here -> https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/ircBot | 10:47 |
| replaceafill | thanks mjsir911 | 10:47 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro_, it's just a shortcut to print urls of our main repositories | 10:48 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro_, you ask the bot "give me all the repos we manage" | 10:48 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | replaceafill, cool, understood | 10:48 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro_, and the bot print gitlab, github urls | 10:48 |
| replaceafill | :) | 10:48 |
| jelkner | and bitbucket ;-) | 10:48 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | alright, next item. Roadmap to Mailman3 integration | 10:48 |
| ubuntourist | lelkneralfaro_, If you type "!remind" right now, it lists the accumulated reminders. If you type "!projects" it should list the projects being worked on. | 10:49 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | I apologize, migration | 10:49 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | ubuntourist, want to take the floor on this item? | 10:50 |
| ubuntourist | It was a question for replaceafill, mostly. | 10:50 |
| replaceafill | sure | 10:50 |
| jelkner | dogfooding and all | 10:50 |
| replaceafill | i think it's fine to do it | 10:50 |
| replaceafill | my only concern is our webfaction mail use | 10:51 |
| replaceafill | i mean, we're handling our nwd org emails through webfaction | 10:51 |
| replaceafill | and for mailman, we may need some smtp configuration that i'm not sure webfaction allows | 10:52 |
| replaceafill | but i'll investigate | 10:52 |
| mjsir911 | I can investigate too | 10:52 |
| replaceafill | in any case i think it'll be good to do it because it'll help us refine the process | 10:52 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, you have a lot on your plate | 10:52 |
| jelkner | mjsir911 is willing to look into this | 10:53 |
| replaceafill | hhmmm | 10:53 |
| mjsir911 | Who can I talk to for more information though? replaceafill? | 10:53 |
| ubuntourist | My gut says webfaction does allow for such. I think I've seen it, but I cannot recall. | 10:53 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i can help you, we use mailman3 for members.nea4or.us | 10:53 |
| replaceafill | hold on | 10:54 |
| replaceafill | just a sec | 10:54 |
| replaceafill | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TcIuK5t4RTiHBqgjKVkeROHIPIG6rUiESLbxvu1fDAM/edit | 10:54 |
| replaceafill | that document has a Mailman section | 10:55 |
| replaceafill | with some of the packages needed and know issues and how to bypass them | 10:55 |
| replaceafill | those notes are for those particular revisions | 10:55 |
| replaceafill | but most of them are still not fixied in the master branches yet | 10:56 |
| replaceafill | fixed* | 10:56 |
| replaceafill | ACTION done | 10:56 |
| ubuntourist | https://docs.webfaction.com/user-guide/email.html | 10:56 |
| ubuntourist | Email Servers | 10:56 |
| ubuntourist | webmail.webfaction.com - Web Mail | 10:56 |
| ubuntourist | mail.webfaction.com - IMAP and POP | 10:56 |
| ubuntourist | smtp.webfaction.com - SMTP | 10:56 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | alright well that concludes it for this morning... unless someone would like to add something more | 10:57 |
| ubuntourist | (That last bit copied and pasted from the WebFaction dashboard.) | 10:57 |
| ubuntourist | Gallaudet: I've still got a wee bit o' money | 10:58 |
| ubuntourist | left in last year's contract, which will run out with the November invoice. So, probably time to start seriously pestering Christian for a meeting. | 10:58 |
| ubuntourist | That's it for me. | 10:58 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | ubuntourist, definitely time for a meeting | 10:59 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | with Christian, shall we come up with a date post-Thanksgiving? | 10:59 |
| ubuntourist | lelkneralfaro_, Sounds like a plan. Yes. | 10:59 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | Monday the 27th earlier on in the day works for me. or Friday the 1st. | 10:59 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | Those are your preferred meeting days, correct? | 11:00 |
| ubuntourist | lelkneralfaro_, correct. | 11:00 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | alright, would you like to set it up in person, or would you like me to send an email to him? | 11:01 |
| ubuntourist | lelkneralfaro_, I think it would sound better coming from a "business manager" since Christian and I have already had a private tete-a-tete. Include Dragana as well. | 11:02 |
| ubuntourist | (dragana.barac-cikoja@gallaudet.edu in case you don't have that somewhere already.) | 11:02 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | sounds like the best plan to me as well. could you please include Christian's email as well? | 11:03 |
| ubuntourist | christian.vogler@gallaudet.edu | 11:04 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | thanks! | 11:04 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | okay, nooooow that concludes our meeting! | 11:04 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 11:04 |
| jelkner | next week same time? | 11:04 |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 11:04 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | next week same time | 11:04 |
| jelkner | sweet | 11:04 |
| jelkner | later gaters | 11:04 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION falls back asleep. | 11:05 |
| lelkneralfaro_ | :) | 11:05 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, issue filed: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/ircBot/issues/1 | 11:12 |
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| mjsir911_ | #help | 14:06 |
| Big_Brother_ | Available commands: #help, #ping, #remind | 14:06 |
| mjsir911_ | #remind | 14:06 |
| mjsir911_ | #remind yo | 14:06 |
| mjsir911_ | #remind | 14:06 |
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| mjsir911_ | #help | 14:07 |
| Big_Brother_ | Available commands: #help, #ping, #remind | 14:07 |
| mjsir911_ | #remind | 14:07 |
| mjsir911_ | #remind yo | 14:07 |
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