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| louisea | !remind latest update on progress of organizing software estimate | 08:59 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, replaceafill. Do you know if ncerna plans to meet with me now? | 10:02 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, good morning | 10:02 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i was expecting she would | 10:02 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let me give her a call | 10:02 |
| jelkner | Thanks. I thought we had agreed to meet now. | 10:03 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner, there you go :) | 10:03 |
| jelkner | Good morning, nrcerna! | 10:03 |
| nrcerna | Good morning, sorry I had some problems with my pc | 10:04 |
| jelkner | Is it ok now? | 10:04 |
| nrcerna | btw hello =) | 10:05 |
| nrcerna | yes jelkner, now is fine | 10:05 |
| jelkner | i mainly want to ask if you have any questions about what i sent you? | 10:05 |
| jelkner | i'm looking for a wall poster and would like it ready before we move code for nova back to my school | 10:06 |
| jelkner | which will happen on january 4th | 10:06 |
| jelkner | so, ncerna, any questions? | 10:07 |
| nrcerna | about size I sugest you 8.5 x 11" | 10:07 |
| nrcerna | or 11 x 17" | 10:07 |
| jelkner | i was looking for large | 10:08 |
| jelkner | so at least 11 x 17 | 10:08 |
| jelkner | is there an even larger common size? | 10:08 |
| jelkner | since i'll be bringing it to a local print place to get it printed. | 10:08 |
| replaceafill | http://www.printingdeals.org/standardsizes/postersize.html | 10:09 |
| nrcerna | I was in trouble wondering USA print sizes, sothe link replaceafill sent is great | 10:10 |
| jelkner | thanks, replaceafill! | 10:10 |
| replaceafill | np | 10:10 |
| jelkner | yes, i'd like the "D" size | 10:10 |
| jelkner | 24 x 36" | 10:11 |
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| jelkner | so make it 24 top and bottom and 36 on the sides | 10:12 |
| nrcerna | Perfect,so jelkner about graphics, some idea in mind? what would you like on the poster? | 10:12 |
| jelkner | it is the words i sent you | 10:12 |
| jelkner | hold on, i'll post it here | 10:12 |
| replaceafill | https://github.com/codeforamerica/Mission-Vision-and-Operating-Principles/blob/master/Draft.md | 10:12 |
| replaceafill | :) | 10:12 |
| jelkner | replaceafill is too fast for me | 10:13 |
| jelkner | by the time i found it, he had already posted it ;-) | 10:13 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i assume you don't need the link in the Our values section? | 10:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, about the karass | 10:14 |
| jelkner | I would remove that | 10:14 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 10:15 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, perhaps it would help if you understood what i want it for? | 10:15 |
| jelkner | we have a code for america group that will meet at my school once a week | 10:15 |
| jelkner | we have a long time problem which is people show up all the time from our meetup page | 10:16 |
| jelkner | not really even knowing what we are about | 10:17 |
| jelkner | then we waste a bunch of time trying to engage them | 10:17 |
| jelkner | and they mostly never return | 10:17 |
| jelkner | https://www.meetup.com/Code-for-NoVA/ | 10:18 |
| jelkner | FYI | 10:18 |
| nrcerna | Ok,i understand, one thing that we can use on the poster is a QR coda so people can sacan the code with smartphones | 10:18 |
| jelkner | and what would they get when they scan? | 10:19 |
| nrcerna | and they can open www.meetup.com/Code-fo-NoVA/ | 10:19 |
| nrcerna | https://www.meetup.com/Code-for-NoVA/* | 10:19 |
| nrcerna | It could be that or any site you want. | 10:19 |
| jelkner | better that the QR code gave them our website | 10:19 |
| replaceafill | http://www.codefornova.org/ | 10:19 |
| jelkner | beat me again! | 10:20 |
| jelkner | you are too fast, replaceafill | 10:20 |
| jelkner | or i'm just to old and too slow :-( | 10:20 |
| replaceafill | "Some Of Our 2015 Projects" | 10:20 |
| nrcerna | So people can have a easy access to the online info ;) | 10:20 |
| replaceafill | ACTION wonders about the 2017 projects... :D | 10:20 |
| jelkner | well, replaceafill, you can imagine the kinds of things i'm hoping to get people to help with ;-) | 10:21 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner, are those firemen in the images? | 10:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and can they be used as graphic assets in nrcerna's poster? | 10:21 |
| replaceafill | https://www.meetup.com/Code-for-NoVA/photos/9019602/372309492/ | 10:22 |
| jelkner | http://brigade.codeforamerica.org/brigade/ | 10:22 |
| jelkner | looks like they are used there | 10:22 |
| jelkner | but don't go overboard with graphics | 10:23 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 10:23 |
| jelkner | i was thinking of something *really* simple | 10:23 |
| replaceafill | sure | 10:23 |
| jelkner | just the words with the code for nova logo i sent | 10:23 |
| replaceafill | message is the important part | 10:23 |
| jelkner | totally | 10:23 |
| nrcerna | I was wondering if I can use the code for NOVA logo? | 10:23 |
| jelkner | yes, that's why i sent it | 10:23 |
| ubuntourist | Brigade is often used with the word "fire"... | 10:23 |
| jelkner | see, the text is still in draft | 10:24 |
| nrcerna | Is not the same at the website right? | 10:24 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i don't understand. | 10:24 |
| jelkner | we only have 5 more minutes | 10:25 |
| jelkner | so let's wrap up | 10:25 |
| jelkner | keep it *really* simple | 10:25 |
| nrcerna | My bad :-/ | 10:25 |
| jelkner | nice fonts that make text easy to read plus code for nova logo in the upper left or right (up to you) | 10:25 |
| jelkner | that's all | 10:25 |
| jelkner | i need it on the wall so i can ask folks to read it when they arrive | 10:26 |
| nrcerna | I was wondering something like this:https://www.google.com/search?q=infografias+pinterest&client=opera&hs=mqg&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjqk9K9xtzXAhVIY98KHTujAgYQ_AUICigB&biw=1560&bih=790#imgrc=EuDsQfAZgGGP2M: | 10:26 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, too many graphics? | 10:27 |
| nrcerna | https://i.pinimg.com/736x/41/a4/bf/41a4bf9714ab8e9f9ab33be36fa612af--free-infographic-templates-infographic-examples.jpg | 10:27 |
| jelkner | yes, replaceafill | 10:27 |
| jelkner | too busy | 10:27 |
| jelkner | i want something *really* simple | 10:27 |
| jelkner | just the text on a white background | 10:27 |
| jelkner | it is all about the font | 10:27 |
| jelkner | fonts that make it easy to read | 10:28 |
| nrcerna | Ok,i get it | 10:28 |
| jelkner | plus the code for nova logo | 10:28 |
| jelkner | nothing else | 10:28 |
| jelkner | let's try that first and see how it looks | 10:28 |
| nrcerna | OK :-) | 10:28 |
| jelkner | great | 10:28 |
| jelkner | thanks | 10:28 |
| nrcerna | Thanks to you! | 10:29 |
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| Big_Brother | latest update on progress of organizing software estimate | 10:30 |
| louisea | Hi good morning everyone! | 10:30 |
| ubuntourist | Missing one player... otherwise we have "The team". | 10:30 |
| replaceafill | good morning! | 10:30 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION growls | 10:31 |
| louisea | So I have only one thing that I wanted to put on the agenda for this morning | 10:31 |
| louisea | which I'll get right to | 10:31 |
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| louisea | but first I want to ask jelkner if there is anything he wanted to add | 10:32 |
| jelkner | i have several questions about our plans, finances, your plan for next week, etc. | 10:32 |
| jelkner | Rena__ just joined, so i wanted to talk about the website too | 10:32 |
| louisea | alright. well first let me go with my quick update | 10:32 |
| louisea | then we can jump into that | 10:33 |
| louisea | last week replaceafill and I reached an estimate amount to pass on to Jon Liss for the amount it would take to develop free software political organizing tools | 10:34 |
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| louisea | after working a few weeks with folks from agaric | 10:34 |
| louisea | going through user stories and estimating their complexity | 10:35 |
| louisea | we arrived at $100,000 for initial development | 10:35 |
| louisea | and tripled the number to include post-release costs | 10:36 |
| louisea | meaning development with user feedback | 10:36 |
| jelkner | will that include your time for working with them testing the system? | 10:37 |
| louisea | now I'll be keeping in touch with Jon and waiting for a response | 10:37 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, do you feel good about the process? | 10:38 |
| ubuntourist | Since this is very likely a multi-year project, hardwire in some plan for transfer of knowledge. | 10:38 |
| ubuntourist | (Members come, members go.) | 10:38 |
| louisea | jelkner, the final number was very broad | 10:38 |
| jelkner | +1 | 10:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes, we addressed most of the concerns i had when we started a month ago | 10:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, like the iterative process with user feedback, etc | 10:39 |
| ubuntourist | So, as already stressed, best practices include standards, style guides, as well as training the next gen. | 10:39 |
| jelkner | so replaceafill, you feel you can drive this? | 10:39 |
| louisea | the $100,000 being the more detailed number. The final amount would include the time for testing the system | 10:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm not confortable with "driving", but yes, i'm more confident now | 10:40 |
| jelkner | so you'll learn to drive replaceafill as the train moves down the tracks! ;-) | 10:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, getting to know *exactly* what is needed is key in my opinion | 10:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, true! | 10:40 |
| ubuntourist | Who calls "Shotgun"? ;-) | 10:40 |
| replaceafill | :D | 10:41 |
| Rena__ | I could use the work | 10:41 |
| jelkner | so, let's talk about what we do next week and beyond | 10:41 |
| jelkner | we aren't going to just wait around | 10:41 |
| louisea | go for it | 10:41 |
| Rena__ | But I'd rather call the booster seat in the back | 10:41 |
| jelkner | first, louisea, did you have arrangements to get another 5K this week? | 10:42 |
| jelkner | to keep you and replaceafill going for the next month? | 10:42 |
| jelkner | we need to be thinking about budgeting | 10:42 |
| louisea | jelkner, yes | 10:42 |
| jelkner | how many more months can we go this way | 10:42 |
| Rena__ | Louis, while you're giving updates what's the status on BCCC? Have they paid? | 10:43 |
| jelkner | and what can we do to start brining in income | 10:43 |
| louisea | Rena_, the check will be sent to jelkner, if he has not received it yet then no | 10:43 |
| jelkner | i scan everything i receive and send it to you, louisea | 10:43 |
| louisea | they also have had some days off of work for Thanksgiving | 10:43 |
| jelkner | so if you haven't seen it | 10:43 |
| jelkner | i haven't received it | 10:44 |
| jelkner | ok, let's talk about our website | 10:44 |
| jelkner | we need to begin marketing | 10:44 |
| jelkner | and our website is in bad need of updating | 10:44 |
| jelkner | Rena__, are you still planning on coming up with something? | 10:45 |
| Rena__ | Yes, I have a few sites I'd like to email everyone when I get back to my laptop too | 10:46 |
| jelkner | please do | 10:46 |
| jelkner | we want to move on that sooner rather than later | 10:46 |
| Rena__ | Yes | 10:46 |
| jelkner | since we can't market until we get our website reflecting what we are trying to market | 10:46 |
| ubuntourist | Speaking of marketing... | 10:47 |
| jelkner | i was about to mention to zOnny that we talked about national hospital yesterday | 10:47 |
| ubuntourist | While developing web pages, CONSIDER the possibility of paper marketing as well. So maybe some kind of brochure. | 10:47 |
| jelkner | to whom, ubuntourist, and how? | 10:48 |
| jelkner | i agree we could use that, but i don't think we are ready | 10:48 |
| jelkner | we still don't have a clear enough vision of what we want something like that to say | 10:49 |
| ubuntourist | I mean, t'would be nice to have a stack of flyers to leave at things like PyCon. (HacDC has business cards, but we also have brochures to advertise us, as well as our web site.) | 10:49 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, yes, but while developing the new, improved web site, keeping the idea of paper parallel in mind may influence the design. | 10:50 |
| jelkner | interesting thought | 10:50 |
| jelkner | the way i was thinking about it, the website can keep changing until we like it | 10:50 |
| ubuntourist | (choice of graphic format, fonts, etc.) I'm not saying spend our lives on it. Just have the awareness. | 10:50 |
| ubuntourist | True dat. | 10:51 |
| jelkner | once you put paper out there, it stays around | 10:51 |
| jelkner | so you need to be more careful | 10:51 |
| Rena__ | Lol paper | 10:51 |
| louisea | ubuntourist, did you print business cards at one point? | 10:52 |
| jelkner | louisea, will you have a few minutes to chat by phone after this? | 10:52 |
| louisea | jelkner, yes | 10:52 |
| ubuntourist | Rena__, think asynchronous communications at conferences. Cynic. ;-) | 10:52 |
| jelkner | ok, anything else? | 10:53 |
| ubuntourist | louisea, For myself, jelkner and mjsir911, with exactly the thought of conferences in mind. | 10:53 |
| jelkner | we need the website first | 10:53 |
| ubuntourist | louisea, So I'm thinking for PyCon 2018 doing a few more for those attending. | 10:53 |
| jelkner | so let's focus on that | 10:53 |
| jelkner | i'm not disagreeing, ubuntourist, but with very limited resources we need to put first things first | 10:54 |
| jelkner | let's get our website updated | 10:54 |
| jelkner | and put our best work on it | 10:54 |
| louisea | ubuntourist, if you could send me the design I'd like to have those for carrying around | 10:54 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, will you talk with zOnny about national hospital? | 10:54 |
| jelkner | as we discussed over dinner yesterday | 10:54 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Already mentioned this morning. | 10:55 |
| jelkner | cool, i'll follow up with him in class tomorrow | 10:55 |
| zOnny | jelkner, yes, I am agree with that. | 10:55 |
| jelkner | btw. i spoke with stephanie from lee carter's campaign | 10:55 |
| louisea | how did that go? | 10:56 |
| jelkner | they are swamped at the moment, but they were already thinking about wanting to transition their site | 10:56 |
| ubuntourist | The "thank you and can you now shill for us?" letters went out, right? | 10:56 |
| jelkner | she wants me to call lee's staffer in 2 weeks | 10:56 |
| louisea | ubuntourist, yes | 10:57 |
| ubuntourist | Do they have money? ;-) | 10:57 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, you didn't see the email | 10:57 |
| jelkner | i will continue to donate their website | 10:57 |
| louisea | jelkner, same situation goes for Elizabeth's site | 10:57 |
| louisea | staffer comes back to work on the 1st | 10:57 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:57 |
| jelkner | i meet with OR Arlington SC a week from tomorrow | 10:58 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Do you have money? ;-) | 10:58 |
| replaceafill | :D | 10:58 |
| jelkner | no, but i'm just mortgaging my future :-( | 10:58 |
| jelkner | since only the present matters ;-) | 10:58 |
| jelkner | let's make this thing work | 10:58 |
| jelkner | ok, if there is nothing else | 10:59 |
| jelkner | 30 minutes is up | 10:59 |
| ubuntourist | Briefly | 10:59 |
| louisea | go for it | 10:59 |
| jelkner | mr_german, zOnny, i'm still waiting to hear from you two that the new aea site is ready | 11:00 |
| ubuntourist | Not only has Dragana oversold me to fellow researchers in her department, she's now selling me to ... Gallaudet Technology Services, i.e. the IT department here. | 11:00 |
| mr_german | jelkner, did you the repo on gitlab? | 11:01 |
| mr_german | did you see* | 11:01 |
| ubuntourist | They've just gotten 3D printers, and VR headsets that they don't know what to do with. | 11:01 |
| ubuntourist | Given last year's PRIMEs were flying under the NOVA Web banner, there may be opportunities there this summer. | 11:01 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:01 |
| replaceafill | nice! good work | 11:01 |
| jelkner | mr_german, is it ready to go live? | 11:02 |
| mr_german | jelkner, +1 | 11:02 |
| mr_german | yes it is! | 11:02 |
| ubuntourist | Also, replaceafill, how's your network-fu? Or C# fu? I'm needing some tutoring, and wonder if we have anyone in-house. | 11:02 |
| jelkner | mr_german, go ahead and switch it then | 11:02 |
| ubuntourist | That's it for me. | 11:02 |
| mr_german | jelkner, k | 11:02 |
| jelkner | then i'll check out the gitlab repo and begin making changes | 11:03 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, network-fu some, c# fu none :( | 11:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, mr_german, zOnny, we have docs for updating AEA, please make sure they're updated after this transition | 11:03 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, then perhaps I'll shoot some Python code your way and see if you can "fix" it or explain what I'm doing wrong. | 11:04 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, sure | 11:04 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, I'll work on that before switch the site | 11:04 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool thanks | 11:04 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, we should keep the old guide? | 11:04 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, let's talk about that after the meeting | 11:05 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, k | 11:05 |
| jelkner | mr_german, how is visa progress going? | 11:05 |
| jelkner | you can update me later | 11:06 |
| replaceafill | ACTION is waiting to hear too... | 11:06 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, let's stay on top of that | 11:06 |
| jelkner | i want to see mr_german in cleveland! | 11:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i have been | 11:07 |
| mr_german | jelkner, I'm still waiting for my answer from pycon for the invitation letter | 11:07 |
| jelkner | did louisea write you a letter? | 11:08 |
| louisea | jelkner, nope I did not | 11:08 |
| louisea | just about to ask | 11:08 |
| jelkner | replaceafill can tell you what it needs to say | 11:08 |
| louisea | cool. I'm ready whenever they are | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | indeed | 11:08 |
| mr_german | jelkner, no, i haven't talked with him yet | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | mr_german is getting behind on this | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, time to move! | 11:08 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, I know.. | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | ACTION done | 11:09 |
| louisea | any last thoughts? | 11:09 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:09 |
| louisea | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 11:09 |
| jelkner | see you all next sunday at 10:30 | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | have a good week | 11:09 |
| mr_german | jelkner, thx! | 11:10 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, you still around? | 11:10 |
| nrcerna | yes replaceafill | 11:10 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, jelkner's poster should be top priority for now, but let me know if you want to meet to talk about your website | 11:11 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, i'm good from Tuesday-Friday | 11:11 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, ok? | 11:11 |
| nrcerna | friday is fine | 11:11 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, time? | 11:11 |
| nrcerna | sorry replaceafill, looking in my agenda can we move it to tuesday | 11:12 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, the 28th? | 11:12 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, or the 5th? | 11:12 |
| nrcerna | 28th is ok | 11:13 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, cool, time? | 11:13 |
| nrcerna | are you available in the morning? | 11:13 |
| nrcerna | around 9 am? | 11:13 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, sure, what about 10 am our time? | 11:13 |
| nrcerna | 10 am is ok | 11:13 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, cool, see you tuesday then | 11:14 |
| nrcerna | ok replaceafill | 11:14 |
| nrcerna | =) | 11:14 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, what i meant about the docs is that you *update* the current ones | 11:14 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, not write new ones | 11:14 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, so we don't have new and old | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, just *current* | 11:15 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, k | 11:15 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, working on that! | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool | 11:16 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, could you please fwd me the email you sent to the Pycon staff? | 11:44 |
| mr_german | k | 11:45 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, I'll send you two | 11:46 |
| mr_german | mr_german, because I sent a new one yesterday | 11:46 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, * | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, can i call you? | 11:49 |
| mr_german | sure | 11:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, are you around? | 12:23 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, want to try to hang out now? | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure, just a sec | 12:36 |
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