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| mr_german | good morning lelkneralfaro nrcerna | 10:15 |
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| lelkneralfaro | good morning mr_german and nrcerna | 10:16 |
| nrcerna | good morning lelkneralfaro | 10:16 |
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| lelkneralfaro | !remind updates on HAF and EG campaign | 10:19 |
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| jelkner | whois mjsir911 mjsir911 | 10:20 |
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| lelkneralfaro | !remind this quarter's taxes filed on time and all past due files taxed | 10:21 |
| Big_Brother | Invalid arguments: No closing quotation. | 10:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | !remind this quarters taxes filed on time and all past due files taxed | 10:21 |
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| jelkner | !remind Brief discussion of Monday's ORA SC meeting | 10:22 |
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| jelkner | !remind Brief discussion of Monday\'s ORA SC meeting | 10:23 |
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| Big_Brother | FYI: Gallaudet contract signed, sealed, delivered (I'm theirs) to misquote Stevie Wonder ;-) | 10:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | Good morning everyone! | 10:30 |
| replaceafill | good morning everybody | 10:30 |
| ubuntourist | BRB | 10:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | the first item, which is from ubuntourist comes from last week anyway | 10:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | so we can skip it | 10:30 |
| nrcerna | Good morning | 10:30 |
| jelkner | top a the mornin all | 10:30 |
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| lelkneralfaro | so the next update is mine | 10:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | on HAF | 10:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | no word from them, so i doubt that is moving forward | 10:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | I'll push once more this week | 10:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | and give it a last shot | 10:31 |
| jelkner | then just wait | 10:31 |
| jelkner | they'll contact us when it becomes important to them | 10:32 |
| jelkner | and under the law of murphy, that will be at the most inconvenient time | 10:32 |
| jelkner | but so it is | 10:32 |
| lelkneralfaro | haha cool. so it is | 10:32 |
| lelkneralfaro | Elizabeth Guzman's office got swamped last week | 10:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | because she was offered the state of union response | 10:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | so their website development probably went down on their list of priorities | 10:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | which is why you didnt get any word from me mr_german | 10:34 |
| mr_german | mr_german, oh | 10:34 |
| mr_german | lelkneralfaro, * | 10:34 |
| lelkneralfaro | but I'll call them tomorrow, get an update and see if we can get the ball rolling | 10:34 |
| mr_german | lelkneralfaro, yeah, because I was waiting the green line | 10:34 |
| ubuntourist | Get video and transcript of speech... (Well, ask if she'd like it on the web...) | 10:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, for sure, i think they could be doing good stuff with their website | 10:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | but some people out their in the world are still behind on understanding the internet as a valuable resource | 10:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | so on to my last point | 10:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | I spent last week filing all of our required tax forms | 10:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | so we got all of this quarter's forms filed on time | 10:37 |
| jelkner | if there is some brief summary that would be enlightening to the rest of us, lelkneralfaro, please share that | 10:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | and we had some past due files from a number of quarters ago that needed to be entered, which I filed and paid penalites | 10:38 |
| ubuntourist | Does that include DC? Or is the stuff you're talking about only affecting VA taxes? | 10:39 |
| lelkneralfaro | brief summary... there are income taxes and unemployment taxes that have to be filed with different departments in different states | 10:39 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, DC | 10:39 |
| lelkneralfaro | i had to set up our account with the district, which I did a few months ago, but I didn't get up to date on all of our taxes and forms until this past week | 10:39 |
| jelkner | i was more speaking of the shares stuff you just asked me about | 10:40 |
| jelkner | our governance | 10:40 |
| jelkner | and ownership | 10:40 |
| jelkner | what makes us a real democratically run worker owned cooperative | 10:40 |
| jelkner | that's the stuff we will all need to be educated on | 10:40 |
| lelkneralfaro | okay, so I discovered through going through our files | 10:41 |
| lelkneralfaro | that we are an s-corporation (not 100% sure, but pretty confident) | 10:41 |
| lelkneralfaro | incorporated in 2012 | 10:41 |
| lelkneralfaro | we are a company with 5000 shares | 10:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | I was told before that we are an LLC | 10:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | which is partly true, because we are taxed as an LLC | 10:42 |
| jelkner | by the idiot who started this mess ;-) | 10:42 |
| ubuntourist | (LLC = Limited Liability Corporation. Meaning the company screws up, there is a limit to the amount of pain.) | 10:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | meaning that only personal income is taxed and we aren't taxed on the corporate level | 10:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, thanks. sorry about not clarifying | 10:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | yeah it means that if we were to get sued as a company | 10:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | they can't dig into people's personal pocketbooks | 10:44 |
| jelkner | we will need to understand how our Salvadoran partners do their stuff, too | 10:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, for sure | 10:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | well, back to the co-op thing | 10:45 |
| lelkneralfaro | so, I was mistaken when I started a few months back and I attempted to read VA code and understand laws on cooperatives | 10:45 |
| lelkneralfaro | but after some more months experience I could better understand | 10:45 |
| lelkneralfaro | I'm pretty sure that we can actually be a formal cooperative, recognized by the state as such | 10:46 |
| lelkneralfaro | and able to put cooperative in our name | 10:46 |
| lelkneralfaro | if we do the right things | 10:46 |
| lelkneralfaro | first off. a co-op needs 5 member/owners | 10:46 |
| lelkneralfaro | minimum | 10:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | and a co-op is supposed to abide by cooperative principles, written up in their bylaws | 10:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | and the cooperative is supposed to have scheduled meetings which are recorded... | 10:48 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist and i took baby steps along that path before | 10:48 |
| lelkneralfaro | not just our weekly meetings | 10:48 |
| ubuntourist | (Previously, we looked at the bylaws of HacDC and FreeGeek, both of which have bylaws in a wiki.) | 10:48 |
| lelkneralfaro | but formal corporate meetings | 10:48 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, yes, I will be doing some digging | 10:49 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, these weekly meetings should become our formal cooperative meetings | 10:49 |
| jelkner | that's the main goal of them | 10:49 |
| jelkner | development work gets done at other times | 10:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, we might be able to schedule them at the same time | 10:49 |
| ubuntourist | (This is where some IRCbots have been good: Auto-formatting meeting notes for repurposing.) | 10:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, for sure, the technology will definitely help in that respect | 10:50 |
| jelkner | we just need to get mjsir911 to teach Big_Brother some more tricks | 10:50 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, to your point about the meetings, I don't yet know all the rules about how the meetings are to be conducted, but we'll want to start following them once we know how | 10:50 |
| jelkner | +1 | 10:51 |
| ubuntourist | The Ubuntu DC LoCo used such a 'bot, which MAY still be out on the loco's channel, though probably obsolete. | 10:51 |
| lelkneralfaro | one final point on my end | 10:52 |
| lelkneralfaro | my work for this month is going to be putting together and executing a research plan on all of our legal and tax requirements | 10:53 |
| lelkneralfaro | and I've started talking to a friend about investors and business financing | 10:53 |
| lelkneralfaro | just so that I can have a better understanding of how this all works | 10:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | and get some ideas about where to look 2 months from now | 10:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | I haven't been quite diligent and organized enough about my work plan in these matters | 10:55 |
| lelkneralfaro | so I'll improve this month | 10:55 |
| lelkneralfaro | and keep you all up-to-date | 10:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | that's it for me | 10:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | we only have four more minutes, but if anyone has any questions and wants to stay a bit longer that's cool with me | 10:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | up to you all | 10:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | or, if no questions and people want to provide their own updates | 10:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | that sounds good too | 10:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | okay... in that case | 10:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | 3 | 10:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | 2 | 10:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | 1 | 10:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 10:58 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, do you have a few minutes? | 10:58 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, any news from AEA about their "real" election? | 10:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, thanks for reminding me | 10:59 |
| jelkner | nrcerna? | 10:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | I had the same question for jelkner | 10:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | none from me | 10:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, no news that is | 10:59 |
| jelkner | i don't know, lelkneralfaro | 10:59 |
| jelkner | they communicate more with you than with me | 10:59 |
| jelkner | i can call and ask tomorrow | 10:59 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ok | 10:59 |
| nrcerna | yes replaceafill | 10:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, did you speak with ingrid last week? | 11:00 |
| nrcerna | sorry i was getting water | 11:00 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, no | 11:00 |
| jelkner | not about when | 11:00 |
| nrcerna | sorry jelkner | 11:00 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i wanted to ask you something before lelkneralfaro goes to the ora sc tomorrow. | 11:00 |
| jelkner | (our revolution arlington steering committee) | 11:01 |
| jelkner | we have a cooperative economics committee | 11:01 |
| jelkner | and we met last week | 11:01 |
| jelkner | in investigating what would make a viable cooperative business in arlington, the idea of a print shop came up | 11:02 |
| nrcerna | jelkner, rigth now I have to go out, can we talk this via hangout? | 11:02 |
| jelkner | sure | 11:02 |
| jelkner | it isn't pressing | 11:02 |
| jelkner | we can talk later | 11:02 |
| jelkner | talk to you later, nrcerna | 11:03 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, do you have a minute? | 11:03 |
| ubuntourist | on #ubuntu-us-dc there is a "user" meetingology. That's the 'bot. | 11:03 |
| nrcerna | ok jelkner | 11:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 11:03 |
| jelkner | as lelkneralfaro spends the month gathering info on our business and how to make it a legal cooperative | 11:04 |
| jelkner | can you talk with team guanaco to get a sense of what they are all thinking? | 11:04 |
| jelkner | we have a chance to talk a lot more informally here | 11:05 |
| jelkner | we have breakfast together on sunday mornings | 11:05 |
| jelkner | hang out a lot together | 11:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, thinking about? | 11:05 |
| jelkner | do they aspire to be owner operators of a us cooperative enterprise? | 11:06 |
| jelkner | have they given any thought to what that means? | 11:06 |
| jelkner | etc. | 11:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh ok | 11:06 |
| ubuntourist | (For more info, join that channel, and issue "/msg meetingology list Meetbot" and from there "/msg meetingology help Meetbot <command>" where <command> is one of those listed in the previous list message.) | 11:06 |
| ubuntourist | bye. | 11:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we've talked about that in the past | 11:06 |
| jelkner | good | 11:06 |
| jelkner | but as we learn more this month and it gets more concrete | 11:06 |
| jelkner | you will need to talk about it again | 11:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, they should express themselves but my feeling is that mr_german doesn't quite get the idea and nrcerna is interested | 11:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, one thing we should note is that their W7 application didn't work | 11:07 |
| jelkner | what does that mean? | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that if at some point they require a ITIN number for tax purposes | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, they'll need to start the whole process again | 11:08 |
| jelkner | do you know why it didn't work? | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no | 11:08 |
| jelkner | "at some point" is fast approaching | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i asked lelkneralfaro to call the IRS last week | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, for mr_german's visa appointment | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the IRS said there's no info about mr_german's application | 11:09 |
| jelkner | wtf? | 11:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yeah they said no info | 11:09 |
| mr_german | :( | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and that was mid year last year | 11:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, but not that it was rejected | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, sure, but based on my own case they should have given you the ITIN by now | 11:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, mr_german, jelkner, so i don't know what sup with that | 11:10 |
| jelkner | how can we find out? | 11:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | I think I did what I could | 11:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | they said they had no info | 11:11 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro and doing this kind of thing from here feels like a gamble | 11:11 |
| jelkner | what do you mean, replaceafill? | 11:11 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro your application can easily be dropped/lost in transit, etc | 11:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes i know the feeling | 11:11 |
| jelkner | so what do we do? | 11:11 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro without you really knowing | 11:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I'm sure the lack of certainty is unsettling | 11:12 |
| jelkner | i guess we just keep good records | 11:12 |
| jelkner | and keep resubmitting | 11:12 |
| jelkner | until it gets through | 11:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, well it seemed to me that his name was on file | 11:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro if we could submit the applications from VA | 11:13 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro i think that'll help to know their status better | 11:13 |
| jelkner | let's do it | 11:13 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro because Salvadorean mail takes MONTHS to work | 11:13 |
| jelkner | can you fill out the form and give it to lelkneralfaro | 11:13 |
| jelkner | ? | 11:13 |
| jelkner | send us a PDF | 11:13 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro i got the original letter 3 months after i got my ITIN | 11:13 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro we should try that | 11:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro hopefully mailing something is not that expensive there | 11:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro it costs $50 a try for mr_german and nrcerna from here | 11:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yeah we can send it in again | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool, let's plan that for the next week or so | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, jelkner i'll talk to mr_german and nrcerna about it | 11:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, great. | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and i can bring up the coop theme again with them at that time | 11:16 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, so, we have to do it again? | 11:19 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, probably | 11:19 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, but lelkneralfaro will help us this time | 11:20 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, oh ok | 11:20 |
| replaceafill | ok, i need to go out for a couple of hours | 11:21 |
| replaceafill | thank you guys, see you soon | 11:22 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, see you tomorrow | 11:22 |
| replaceafill | later mr_german | 11:22 |
| mr_german | cya later guys | 11:23 |
| mr_german | o/ | 11:23 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 13:47 |
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