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| jelkner | Good morning, replaceafill! | 10:53 |
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| replaceafill | good morning jelkner | 10:53 |
| jelkner | How does 4 pm this afternoon sound as a time to try to meetup with mr_german and zOnny? | 10:54 |
| jelkner | i also need to check-in with you regarding the ES account balance. | 10:54 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner, i don't know if mr_german is available at that time | 10:54 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's why i tried to use that site... | 10:55 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 10:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the ES accounting spreadsheet is up to date | 10:55 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, my NOVA Web Development folder now has 24 subfolders, most of which have subfolders in turn. | 11:33 |
| jelkner | i am a bear for very little brain, and this is starting to confuse and unsettle me | 11:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, heh, do you need any help? | 11:33 |
| jelkner | a search for "ES accounting" returned nothing | 11:34 |
| jelkner | so i don't know how to find that spreadsheet you speak of | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, Company Info -> Contabilidad POES | 11:34 |
| jelkner | oh, and i just forwarded an email from ingrid to mr_german nad me | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you're thinking in "English" ;) | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, feel free to rename the files at your convenience | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i just called mr_german and asked him to reply to Ingrid's email | 11:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, he said he'll do it shortly after finishing breakfast | 11:39 |
| jelkner | no need | 11:39 |
| jelkner | i am fully aware of POES | 11:39 |
| jelkner | i just didn't think to search for that | 11:40 |
| jelkner | drats, we are running low | 11:40 |
| jelkner | we need to be really careful, since I don't have any way to recharge it now | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, maybe we should talk finances with the guanaco team | 11:40 |
| jelkner | the well, my dear friend, is running dry :-( | 11:40 |
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| jelkner | +1 | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and organize timing accordingly | 11:40 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:41 |
| jelkner | hello, zOnny | 11:41 |
| zOnny | Hi, jelkner | 11:41 |
| jelkner | how was the field trip? | 11:41 |
| zOnny | I just got tired walking around the campus jelkner | 11:43 |
| jelkner | i heard from other students that it was nice | 11:43 |
| jelkner | you can tell me more when you come to class | 11:43 |
| zOnny | nice for those who likes to walk the entire day jelkner | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let me know when you want to meet | 11:44 |
| jelkner | LoL, you need the exercise, zOnny! | 11:44 |
| jelkner | 4 pm? | 11:44 |
| jelkner | 3:30 pm? | 11:44 |
| jelkner | 12:45 pm? | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i meant to talk finances with the guanaco team | 11:44 |
| jelkner | ahh | 11:44 |
| jelkner | you tell me | 11:45 |
| jelkner | any of those times would work for me | 11:45 |
| jelkner | tomorrow i have 9:30 to 11, 12:40 to 1:30, and after 4 pm | 11:46 |
| jelkner | sunday after our regular meeting also works | 11:46 |
| jelkner | ok, just got you email about tomorrow at 5 pm | 11:47 |
| jelkner | can we discuss finances as part of the same meeting? | 11:47 |
| jelkner | they are related | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'd rather not | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i was just thinking of talking gitlab with zOnny and mr_german at that time | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we need to organize that better | 11:47 |
| jelkner | oh, you don't need me for that | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i don't think so | 11:48 |
| jelkner | how long will that run? | 11:48 |
| jelkner | can we meet afterward? | 11:48 |
| jelkner | i'll be home | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, around 1 hour i think | 11:48 |
| jelkner | so, can i jump on at 6 pm? | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we need nrcerna in the call too, right? | 11:48 |
| jelkner | if you say "yes", i'll add it to my calendar now. | 11:49 |
| jelkner | it would be helpful | 11:49 |
| jelkner | yes | 11:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let me call her and ask her when she can meet | 11:49 |
| zOnny | jelkner I saw your email, Is someone doing that ? | 11:54 |
| jelkner | yes, mr_german is working on that | 11:56 |
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| jelkner | oh, cool, all the relevant folks are here for me to ask a question | 11:56 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, mr_german, zOnny, are we at the place yet with AEA were we are ready to add a small CMS type story? | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, CMS type story? | 11:57 |
| jelkner | that would go like this: "The AEA president and Adminstrative Assistant should be able to add PDF files to the website without assistance" | 11:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and you want zOnny and mr_german to add that capability? | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i don't know, replaceafill | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, or do you plan to "migrate" to using a tool? | 11:59 |
| jelkner | i have no idea | 11:59 |
| jelkner | i'm not developer, i just write stories :-( | 11:59 |
| jelkner | my question again comes back to our minimum viable product | 12:00 |
| jelkner | what are we going to offer customers that will make our finances self-sustaining? | 12:00 |
| jelkner | perhaps this is cheap enough that we just bill for the little updates that will keep coming in | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, do you think they'd be willing to pay $20/h for small changes like this? | 12:02 |
| jelkner | yes, i do | 12:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so maybe the current workflow is good enough | 12:03 |
| jelkner | it could be | 12:03 |
| jelkner | but then we need to have the conversation with them about what little changes cost | 12:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'll let zOnny and mr_german to speak for themselves, but i think they're ready | 12:04 |
| jelkner | and the cost can't just include $20 per hour, since someone needs to send the invoice, collect the payment, deposit it, and disperse the funds | 12:04 |
| jelkner | which needs to be accounted for in the billing | 12:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, indeed | 12:05 |
| jelkner | that's why we really need lelkneralfaro in on the finance and strategy discussion | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh | 12:05 |
| jelkner | so if we are meeting at 6 pm, we should invite him as well | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i talked to Natalia | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, she can't do it either today or tomorrow | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but sunday works for her | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, after the IRC meeting | 12:06 |
| jelkner | sunday it is | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 12:06 |
| jelkner | maybe it should be the irc meeting | 12:06 |
| jelkner | actually | 12:06 |
| jelkner | since i can't think of anything else more pressing on our agenda | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh ok | 12:06 |
| jelkner | that is the stage we are in now | 12:06 |
| jelkner | looking at our product, the plans for becoming a real coop (and what that means), and getting a loan to take our product to market | 12:07 |
| jelkner | we are, of course, still developing our product | 12:07 |
| jelkner | that is my biggest concern still | 12:07 |
| jelkner | i told lelkneralfaro i will help him market it | 12:07 |
| jelkner | but there has to be a fairly well developed "it" there to market | 12:08 |
| jelkner | we are on the right path | 12:08 |
| jelkner | but still a long way from getting to the end of it | 12:08 |
| jelkner | to that end, i would like to discuss tendenci theming again with replaceafill, mr_german, and zOnny | 12:09 |
| jelkner | i need to start using NEA4OR | 12:09 |
| jelkner | and it hasn't been themed yet | 12:09 |
| jelkner | so an estimate on that would be a big help | 12:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, when do you want us to talk? | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm tired of having to be asking zOnny and mr_german for their availability | 12:11 |
| jelkner | we are all here now | 12:11 |
| jelkner | so, zOnny and mr_german, can you meet today at 4 pm? | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | according to my poll, mr_german can't... | 12:12 |
| jelkner | i can also do 12:45 pm | 12:12 |
| jelkner | zOnny, would that work for you? | 12:12 |
| zOnny | ok, jelkner | 12:13 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, i am hoping that zOnny can do the NEA4OR work | 12:13 |
| jelkner | since i will be the customer and i see him every day | 12:13 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok, can he finish his ORA tasks first? | 12:13 |
| jelkner | you're the boss | 12:13 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no | 12:13 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you're the customer | 12:13 |
| jelkner | but i would like an ERA | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you're the one with priorities! | 12:14 |
| jelkner | oops, ETA | 12:14 |
| jelkner | ;-) | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | agile-ish, right jelkner? | 12:14 |
| jelkner | yes, but my main obligation is not to f**k things up for you!!! | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's why i'm asking :) | 12:14 |
| zOnny | replaceafill , do you mean about the bar confirmation task ? | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes | 12:15 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, this is not in a clear state either: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/tendenci-theme-ora/merge_requests/2 | 12:15 |
| zOnny | ? | 12:16 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and you're supposed to review this: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/tendenci-theme-ora/merge_requests/5 | 12:16 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i say /2 is not in a clear state because of this comment of yours: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/tendenci-theme-ora/merge_requests/2#note_60650453 | 12:17 |
| zOnny | the dashboard request is already there relaceafill | 12:18 |
| zOnny | ah ok , replaceafill | 12:18 |
| jelkner | so it sounds like we are already having our 12:45 pm meeting, since the goal of that is just to move the product development forward | 12:20 |
| jelkner | we need several *nice looking* websites to show to our funders | 12:21 |
| jelkner | they include: | 12:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'd like to get the ORA project to a clean state before i release the new features | 12:21 |
| jelkner | 1. ORA | 12:21 |
| jelkner | 2. AEA | 12:21 |
| jelkner | 3. NEA4OR | 12:21 |
| jelkner | yes, as a student told me many years ago, "It's all about the look, Mr. Elkner." | 12:22 |
| replaceafill | :) | 12:22 |
| jelkner | even if it doesn't work that well, it has to look good! | 12:22 |
| replaceafill | :/ | 12:22 |
| jelkner | the sad truth about marketing, replaceafill :-( | 12:22 |
| replaceafill | true | 12:23 |
| jelkner | our customers won't understand what's under the hood | 12:23 |
| jelkner | only what they see | 12:23 |
| jelkner | that said, i need to speak with enthusiasm when i'm pitching our product | 12:24 |
| jelkner | which means it really has to do important things for the political revolution | 12:24 |
| jelkner | so i can get excited about it | 12:24 |
| jelkner | i suck at faking that | 12:24 |
| jelkner | just can't do it | 12:25 |
| jelkner | so we need good looks combined with real functionality ;-) | 12:25 |
| jelkner | fortunately, the tools we are integrating already provide that | 12:26 |
| jelkner | we just need to learn to integrate them and theme them well | 12:26 |
| jelkner | that's all i have to say | 12:26 |
| jelkner | no need to meet at 12:45 pm unless other folks have something | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, remember scope, cost and time? | 12:27 |
| jelkner | yup | 12:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i usually care about time | 12:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, when do you need NEA4OR themed | 12:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and what things do you want to be able with it? | 12:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, assumming you're starting from scratch | 12:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, which is what themeing is really | 12:28 |
| jelkner | i want to start actively building NEA4OR | 12:28 |
| jelkner | and i need an AMS to do that | 12:28 |
| jelkner | i need to be able to see who is joining and from which states | 12:29 |
| jelkner | i want to start conducting online votes as to direction and policy | 12:29 |
| jelkner | i want to form both state based and issue based committees | 12:29 |
| jelkner | same stuff we are doing with the other instances | 12:29 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i think i didn't ask correctly | 12:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, what specific tasks do you need to be doing on a regular basis with the NEA4OR tendenci instance? | 12:30 |
| jelkner | 1. Viewing membership data | 12:31 |
| jelkner | 2. Engaging members through the system to make plans and take decisions | 12:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we need these are user stories for zOnny to handle | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | s/are/as | 12:32 |
| jelkner | hold on, replaceafill | 12:32 |
| jelkner | i need to grab my lunch | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 12:33 |
| zOnny | Hey replaceafill | 12:35 |
| replaceafill | hey zOnny | 12:35 |
| zOnny | the branches that are not in the gitlab but still exist in my local machine. | 12:36 |
| zOnny | can I delete those ? | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, https://makandracards.com/makandra/621-git-delete-a-branch-local-or-remote | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, be careful if you decide to delete things in remotes | 12:37 |
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| jelkner | i'm back, but i need to deal with some pycon prep | 12:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'll make sure zOnny is able to start with nea4or theming | 12:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but i'll need your help guiding that process | 12:56 |
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| mr_german | ACTION goes to get his lunch | 13:09 |
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| zOnny | Hey replaceafill | 13:33 |
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| replaceafill | hey zOnny | 14:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, anything you need? | 14:33 |
| mr_german | ACTION is back | 14:38 |
| zOnny | hang out at 3:30 replaceafill | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, sure | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | ACTION goes to get lunch, bb at 3:30 pm | 14:53 |
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| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 15:17 |
| replaceafill | ACTION is back | 15:31 |
| replaceafill | hey zOnny | 15:31 |
| zOnny | ready ? replaceafill | 15:32 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes | 15:32 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, https://github.com/tendenci/tendenci/blob/master/tendenci/templates/default.html#L37-L39 | 15:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you around? | 16:09 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, I'm out | 16:35 |
| mr_german | see you later | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, later | 16:36 |
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| zOnny | hey replaceafill, @mjsir911 solve the problem of my share screen hang out | 16:40 |
| zOnny | *solved | 16:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, excelltent! | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, did you try it? | 16:45 |
| zOnny | yep , it works successfuly. replaceafill | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, oh, we can test it tomorrow too in our meeting with mr_german | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, please remind me of doing that | 16:46 |
| zOnny | ok, replaceafill | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, just shot you a quick email | 17:05 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, just shot you a quick response ;-) | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, thanks :) | 17:20 |
| jelkner | OK, the well is running dry, replaceafill, but i did manage to scoop a little muddy water off the bottom ;-) | 17:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, wow! | 17:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm really grateful to you man | 17:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, muddy water!! LOL | 17:22 |
| jelkner | we got to keep going til we get this ship sailing! | 17:22 |
| replaceafill | ACTION signs off for the day | 18:13 |
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