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| jelkner | !remind | 10:58 |
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| jelkner | !remind Discuss support for NOVALACIRO membership and annual fee | 10:59 |
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| jelkner | !remind Discuss NOVALACIRO id changes and process | 11:00 |
| Big_Brother | "Discuss NOVALACIRO id changes and process" added to message queue | 11:00 |
| jelkner | !remind | 11:00 |
| Big_Brother | Discuss support for NOVALACIRO membership and annual fee | 11:00 |
| jelkner | ping replaceafill | 11:00 |
| replaceafill | pong jelkner | 11:00 |
| jelkner | good morning, mr. cerna! | 11:00 |
| jelkner | i just added two items to the agenda | 11:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, good morning! | 11:00 |
| jelkner | should i add nea4or deployment, or is that finished? | 11:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's finished | 11:01 |
| jelkner | sweeeeeeet! | 11:01 |
| jelkner | i won't add it then ;-) | 11:01 |
| replaceafill | :) | 11:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | !remind Lee Carter's site redevelopment cost estimate | 11:02 |
| Big_Brother | Invalid arguments: No closing quotation. | 11:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | !remind Lee Carters site redevelopment cost estimate | 11:02 |
| Big_Brother | "Lee Carters site redevelopment cost estimate" added to message queue | 11:02 |
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| jelkner | good morning mr_german! | 11:12 |
| mr_german | Good morning jelkner | 11:13 |
| mr_german | Did you my work with ora? | 11:20 |
| mr_german | Did you see * | 11:20 |
| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 11:23 |
| replaceafill | hey zOnny | 11:23 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: does git pull will sync my zOnny/tendenci/CMS right ? | 11:25 |
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| replaceafill | zOnny, i think you can get rid of it by now | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and just use the *_prod branches for future work | 11:25 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, or *_dev branches, depending on your deployment goal | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, like if you want to try something out and show it | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, makes sense? | 11:26 |
| jelkner | good morning nrcerna! | 11:28 |
| nrcerna | Good morning! jelkner | 11:28 |
| nrcerna | Good morning evereryone! | 11:29 |
| Big_Brother | Discuss support for NOVALACIRO membership and annual fee | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | good morning everybody | 11:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | Good morning everyone! | 11:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | we have a new person joining us today | 11:30 |
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| lelkneralfaro | so jelkner can introduce her | 11:30 |
| jelkner | let's give a warm welcome to hrodriguez (Heylin Rodriguez) | 11:30 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez will be interning with us 20 hour per week between now and next august | 11:31 |
| jelkner | (and perhaps beyond) | 11:31 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, do you want to say anything? | 11:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | hrodriguez is having some technical problems | 11:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | but she'll be around and we'll get to know her later | 11:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | so we can jump into the first agenda item | 11:33 |
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| lelkneralfaro | which is support for NOVALACIRO membership and annual fee | 11:34 |
| lelkneralfaro | which looks like a jelkner item | 11:34 |
| jelkner | in brief, the board voted the following policy yesterday | 11:34 |
| jelkner | 1. general membership fee $20 | 11:34 |
| jelkner | 2. students $10 | 11:34 |
| jelkner | 3. Unemployed can contribute whatever they can afford | 11:34 |
| jelkner | zOnny, already told me he thinks tendenci supports this | 11:35 |
| jelkner | so we should implement it this week | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it does | 11:35 |
| jelkner | sweeeet! | 11:35 |
| hrodriguez | Hello everyone! thakns foe welcoming me. I'm so excited to be part of this. | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, can you take that? | 11:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | welcome hrodriguez :) | 11:35 |
| zOnny | I have to play around replaceafill | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but will you take it? | 11:36 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, mr_german you are the two who haven't met her yet | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, it's just an additional membership type | 11:36 |
| jelkner | so say hi when you have a chance | 11:36 |
| zOnny | sure , replaceafill | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and modify the current application to use multiple types | 11:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | so next item is NOVALACIRO id changes | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, cool, thanks | 11:36 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, this is for you | 11:37 |
| jelkner | i have a list | 11:37 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, how do you want me to communicate them?: | 11:37 |
| jelkner | also, daniela would like to email you | 11:37 |
| jelkner | basically: | 11:37 |
| jelkner | 1. remove the member phone number | 11:37 |
| jelkner | 2. put "Northern Virginia Civil Rights Organization" on top | 11:38 |
| jelkner | 3, put NOVALACIRO phone number on buttom | 11:38 |
| jelkner | 4. design a back side | 11:38 |
| jelkner | that's it | 11:38 |
| jelkner | with details to follow | 11:38 |
| jelkner | we need that this week if possible | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, should 2 include Latino? | 11:38 |
| ubuntourist | Mayhaps a QR code on the back... | 11:39 |
| jelkner | the machine to print them arrives monday | 11:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, "Northern Virginia Latino Civil Rights Organization" | 11:39 |
| nrcerna | First of all, Welcome hrodriguez :-) | 11:39 |
| jelkner | +1 replaceafill | 11:39 |
| hrodriguez | Tahnk you so much nrcerna :-) | 11:39 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, make sure you use the correct name for the organization | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, you can use the novalaciro.org website | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, to get it | 11:40 |
| jelkner | yes, nrcerna, the one replaceafill gave you, not me :-( | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, any idea what you want in the back side? | 11:40 |
| jelkner | yes | 11:40 |
| ubuntourist | (There's a Debian / Ubuntu package "qrencode" that can generate QR codes. However I suggest running them through a process that turns the resulting PNG into an SVG for better scaling. I have the how-to in my tips file which I'll link to at the end of the meeting.) | 11:40 |
| jelkner | 1. our logo on the bottom center | 11:40 |
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| nrcerna | Ok, Jeff, I'm going to fix that, great replaceafill | 11:41 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, is suggesting a QR code | 11:41 |
| jelkner | and the logos of the sponsors | 11:41 |
| jelkner | daniela will be visiting locol businesses to get them to sponsor us | 11:41 |
| nrcerna | It would help me a lot if you have any idea about the back side jelkner | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | i don't understand QR codes well, but they're just url/links, right? | 11:41 |
| jelkner | the card will earn 10% discount | 11:41 |
| jelkner | ok, let's move on | 11:41 |
| nrcerna | Nice. | 11:42 |
| jelkner | this can be worked out later among the folks working on it | 11:42 |
| jelkner | ACTION done with this item | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, can we start implementing this in tendenci with just the front of the card? | 11:42 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 11:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | great. next item is Lee Carter's site redevelopment cost estimate | 11:42 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, QR codes contain whatever text you want to contain -- but less text means a better "code resolution". | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, ah | 11:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, because jelkner will be funding Lee's new site | 11:43 |
| mjsir911 | you can also embed some fancier things that plaintext, see: https://zxing.appspot.com/generator/ | 11:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, he'd like an estimate of the cost. | 11:43 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, ah thanks | 11:43 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ok, i'll check the docs Stephanie sent and will come up with one | 11:44 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, can you give me a *rough* idea? | 11:44 |
| jelkner | order of magnitude perhaps? ;-) | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, 2 days? | 11:44 |
| jelkner | as i told lelkneralfaro i'm sending you $, not days | 11:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i think it's just a matter of checking what they'll be able to do themselves | 11:45 |
| jelkner | so i need it in $ ;-) | 11:45 |
| jelkner | what we need right now is a decision to move on this | 11:45 |
| jelkner | if we agree team guanaco is going to handle it with lelkneralfaro | 11:45 |
| jelkner | i need to know i can send you the $ you'll need | 11:46 |
| jelkner | and we can decide to proceed | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i had proposed me taking it because you're already funding my time | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if you're willing to send additional $ for this, i think mr_german should take it | 11:46 |
| jelkner | ahh, but if mr_german does it, i can send another deposit | 11:47 |
| jelkner | and we can use your talents for more important product development? | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 11:47 |
| jelkner | so again, we are back to a $ estimate | 11:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, $400? | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's a week part time of work | 11:48 |
| jelkner | done | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, or whatever you say that correctly :D | 11:48 |
| jelkner | i'll send that down by tuesday | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, thanks a lot | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you're in charge of leecarter | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok? | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, but please please make sure you write it cleaner this time | 11:49 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, jelkner has a good message for you about quality you should hear | 11:49 |
| jelkner | i do? | 11:49 |
| replaceafill | this past week has helped us also to get in sync with zOnny and mr_german | 11:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes! something along the lines of "we're paying for quality work..." | 11:50 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, "if we need to go back cleaning things, that delays us" | 11:50 |
| replaceafill | that's me paraphrasing jelkner really ;) | 11:50 |
| jelkner | mr_german, long term viability means do it well, do it right | 11:50 |
| jelkner | it will keep it cheaper in the long term | 11:50 |
| jelkner | and help novawebdev succeed | 11:51 |
| jelkner | so no cutting corners | 11:51 |
| jelkner | is that what you were thinking, replaceafill? | 11:51 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, if you're around please response | 11:51 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yep | 11:51 |
| jelkner | where is mr_german? | 11:51 |
| lelkneralfaro | sounds like things are ready for that point. and if zOnny and mr_german are working on the site redevelopments | 11:51 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i assume his home | 11:52 |
| jelkner | let's move on | 11:53 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, I assume not online. ;-) | 11:53 |
| jelkner | we'll ask him to read the logs and email us that he understands before he starts working on lee carter | 11:53 |
| mr_german | Im here | 11:53 |
| lelkneralfaro | :) | 11:53 |
| lelkneralfaro | cool. that was the last item | 11:54 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i'll email you to introduce you to daniela, ok? | 11:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | any additions not on the agenda? | 11:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | last comments | 11:54 |
| ubuntourist | So. Briefly: I went up to Richard Stallman / FSF's conference Libre Planet and picked up a book: | 11:54 |
| jelkner | nrcerna? | 11:55 |
| ubuntourist | "Ours to Hack and to Own: The Rise of platform cooperativism, a new vision for the future of work and a fairer Internet" | 11:55 |
| ubuntourist | Available online. | 11:55 |
| jelkner | http://worldpece.org/sites/default/files/artifacts/media/pdf/ourstohackandown.pdf | 11:56 |
| nrcerna | Ok jelkner | 11:56 |
| ubuntourist | A chapter by Micky Metts with whom we've been in regular contact and who gave a workshop on tech co-ops at Libre Planet. | 11:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | 3 | 11:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | 2 | 11:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | 1 | 11:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 11:57 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, so, this week i have to work on lee's site? | 11:57 |
| ubuntourist | Some of you may want to look at it. | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes... | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, will do, thanks for the pdf jelkner | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | i didn't know it was available digitally | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | cough.. free cough... | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | :) | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, is there anything you need help with? | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, please make sure the content in nea4or and novalaciro makes sense, ok? | 11:59 |
| zOnny | your help is always welcome replaceafill | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i recreated the boxes, navs, etc | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but may have missed something | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, oh i changed some of the font awesome icons :P | 12:00 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, feel free to revert | 12:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny ok, i'll get started with the novalaciro id card pdf | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, are you still there? | 12:01 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, when you have the change to my ssh key from lee carter server, just let me know please | 12:02 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i can do that | 12:02 |
| mr_german | Ok | 12:03 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, paste it privately or send it in an email | 12:03 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, https://onetimesecret.com/ | 12:04 |
| mr_german | Wait | 12:04 |
| replaceafill | for reference: ^ "* A secret link only works once and then disappears forever." | 12:04 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, oh wait | 12:06 |
| mr_german | Life time 5minutes? | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, why do you need access to the server? | 12:06 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: can you tell me a bit more how to create it | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, how to create what? | 12:07 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: it should be another form right? | 12:07 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i don't know what you mean by "it"... | 12:07 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: to get a different memberships form | 12:07 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ah ok, no you don't need another membership form but let's use tendenci's right terms, ok? | 12:08 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, membership forms are really membership applications | 12:08 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what you need is a new membership TYPE | 12:08 |
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| replaceafill | zOnny, and then go to the membership application and link them both | 12:08 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: correct | 12:08 |
| GFbot | replaceafill, I need you to change my ssh | 12:08 |
| GFbot | because | 12:08 |
| GFbot | the current ssh that server has | 12:09 |
| GFbot | is the old one | 12:09 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, https://demo.tendenci.com/admin/memberships/membershipapp/1/ | 12:09 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, see the multiple values selected in the Membership Types field | 12:09 |
| nrcerna | I'm Here know replaceafill | 12:09 |
| GFbot | I've told you that I had to reinstall ubuntu | 12:09 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, we should stick to the gitlab push process | 12:10 |
| nrcerna | what do you need? replaceafill | 12:10 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, i'll set up an leecarter_prod branch | 12:10 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, that you can use | 12:10 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, and set CI to deploy | 12:10 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, ok? | 12:10 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, you can just start by cloning the nova-base-theme repo | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, and creating a new branch based on master | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | GFbot, that's a personal branch | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, could you do me a favor | 12:11 |
| GFbot | same progress as ora? | 12:11 |
| GFbot | ok | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, when you work in the changes requested by jelkner | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, taking the phone and adding names, etc | 12:12 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, once he approves your fixes | 12:12 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, could you specify colors and fonts used | 12:12 |
| nrcerna | Great replaceafill , what about size and other things you said? | 12:13 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, if you could include those it'd be great | 12:13 |
| nrcerna | Ok, I'm going to do that! replaceafill | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, but i don't think i need them immediately | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, cool, thanks a lot | 12:14 |
| nrcerna | :-) | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, oh and we need this "tan pronto como sea posible" ;) | 12:14 |
| nrcerna | ASAP? jaja replaceafill | 12:15 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, yeah :D | 12:15 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, that's becoming jelkner's favorite phrase lately... | 12:15 |
| nrcerna | I know ;) replaceafill | 12:16 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, he's becoming the "typical manager" | 12:16 |
| nrcerna | The typical manager? replaceafill | 12:16 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, that one who wants everything ASAP | 12:16 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: the *_prod are sync with the prod? | 12:17 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, i'm joking ofc ;) | 12:17 |
| nrcerna | Oh I see! jaja replaceafill | 12:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, eehhh yes? | 12:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that's why they're called *_prod... :P | 12:17 |
| nrcerna | I know :D replaceafill , jelkner knows too. | 12:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i set up CI last night for the *_prod branches | 12:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, every push there will land in the servers now | 12:18 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, even ORA | 12:18 |
| nrcerna | So, see you! Bye o/ | 12:18 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but i didn't update the theme in ORA | 12:18 |
| replaceafill | later nrcerna o/ | 12:18 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I see | 12:18 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I will create a new aplication form | 12:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and the old themes are still available in case you need them | 12:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, why!?!?!!??!?!? | 12:19 |
| mr_german | as soon you create the "trick" for lee carter's site I can start to work replaceafill | 12:19 |
| jelkner | ping, replaceafill | 12:19 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, no, you can start now | 12:19 |
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| replaceafill | mr_german, you don't need to wait for me | 12:19 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i told you already | 12:19 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, just clone the base theme repo | 12:19 |
| mr_german | ok | 12:20 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and do "git checkout -b mr_german/leecarter_cms_foobar_whatever" | 12:20 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and start working there, pushing to your own space | 12:20 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, pong | 12:20 |
| mr_german | k | 12:20 |
| jelkner | can you call nrcerna and ask her to come back online? | 12:20 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, on it | 12:21 |
| jelkner | the six of us that want to be founding coop members need to have a discussion | 12:21 |
| jelkner | so that lelkneralfaro can make us "official" | 12:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, her cell is either turned off or busy | 12:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let me try to find an alternative | 12:22 |
| jelkner | cool | 12:22 |
| ubuntourist | (BTW I previously promised a QR Code tip: See https://research.gallaudet.edu/Tutorials/linux_tips.php#t45 "Linux Tip #45: QR Codes as SVG") | 12:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no luck with nrcerna | 12:25 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, let me run this by you | 12:26 |
| jelkner | and you can communicate with nrcerna | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 12:26 |
| jelkner | we are really close to being a legal coop | 12:26 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro and ubuntourist are here discussing next steps | 12:27 |
| jelkner | like listing us in online lists of tech coops, getting a loan, etc. | 12:27 |
| jelkner | so, we need to establish ourselves now | 12:27 |
| jelkner | here is what we are proposing | 12:27 |
| jelkner | 1. the six of us that expressed interest in being the founding members are: replaceafill, zOnny, ubuntourist, jelkner, nrcerna, and lelkneralfaro | 12:28 |
| jelkner | 2. each member needs to contribute either $5000.00 or 100 hours (at $50 per hour) to the coop. | 12:29 |
| jelkner | 3. replaceafill and lelkneralfaro, but working for half their reasonable wage rate, have already contributed $5K | 12:29 |
| jelkner | 4. ubuntourist and jelkner have contributed $5K in cash | 12:30 |
| jelkner | 5. nrcerna and zOnny will contribute 100 hours | 12:30 |
| jelkner | which they will use at the beginning of may to redo the novawebdevelopment website | 12:30 |
| jelkner | zOnny, said OK | 12:31 |
| jelkner | we need nrcerna's response to make this a done deal | 12:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok, got it | 12:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, question | 12:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, where does the $50 per hour rate come from? | 12:31 |
| jelkner | ACTION pulled it out of his butt ;-) | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | :D | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the plan seems reasonable to me | 12:32 |
| jelkner | sweet | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'll try to talk to nrcerna about it asap | 12:33 |
| jelkner | sweet | 12:33 |
| jelkner | then lelkneralfaro will create the spreadsheet that shows the six of us having equal shares in the coop | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, great | 12:34 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner, got in contact with nrcerna | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, there she is | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, http://novawebdevelopment.org/irclogs/2018-04-08.log.html#t12:26:59 | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, please read the discussion we just had | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, and let us know what you think | 12:36 |
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| jelkner | nrcerna, zOnny we would like to make it "official" | 12:38 |
| jelkner | and need the two of you to agree before we can do that | 12:38 |
| jelkner | it is also important for our success | 12:38 |
| nrcerna | I'm reading know | 12:38 |
| nrcerna | now* | 12:38 |
| jelkner | ACTION waits for nrcerna to finish | 12:39 |
| zOnny | I am agree jelkner | 12:39 |
| nrcerna | I'm agree too, jelkner | 12:40 |
| zOnny | I am agreement jelkner htat sounds good ? | 12:40 |
| zOnny | *in | 12:40 |
| jelkner | excellent | 12:40 |
| jelkner | so, we will be depending on nrcerna and zOnny to build us a wiz bang beautiful new website in the 1st two weeks of may | 12:41 |
| jelkner | then lelkneralfaro can take on the road to get us a loan | 12:41 |
| nrcerna | Good! | 12:42 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/tree/gfbot/lee_carter-cms | 12:44 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, great | 12:44 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, please apply all the things we've discussed this past week | 12:44 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, keep the cms sane, etc | 12:44 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, sure | 12:45 |
| mr_german | got it | 12:45 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and try to make the design photo independent | 12:45 |
| mr_german | k | 12:45 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, like lee being placed behind the boxes, etc | 12:45 |
| mr_german | ok | 12:46 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, what about ora? it done for now? | 12:46 |
| mr_german | it is* | 12:47 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, just made a transfer to you | 12:47 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes, don't worry about it | 12:47 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i'll take it from here | 12:47 |
| jelkner | it will include $400 for mr_german | 12:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok, thanks | 12:47 |
| jelkner | and for nrcerna for novalaciro work | 12:47 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, you need to invoice novalaciro | 12:47 |
| jelkner | zOnny can help you with that | 12:48 |
| jelkner | since he has done it already | 12:48 |
| nrcerna | Ok jelkner | 12:48 |
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| replaceafill | mr_german, you around? | 13:00 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, yes | 13:00 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i just added Lee's site to the CI script | 13:01 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you'll need to rebase master on your branch | 13:01 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, git checkout your_branch | 13:01 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, git rebase master | 13:01 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, oh sorry | 13:01 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, it should be | 13:01 |
| replaceafill | git checkout master | 13:01 |
| replaceafill | git pull origin master | 13:01 |
| replaceafill | git checkout your_branch | 13:01 |
| replaceafill | git rebase master | 13:01 |
| replaceafill | git push origin my_branch | 13:02 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, let me know if you have trouble, hopefully you won't | 13:02 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, should I do it now or when i have changes ? | 13:02 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, if you do it now it'll be easier for you | 13:03 |
| mr_german | ok | 13:03 |
| mr_german | let me try | 13:03 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, just use your personal branch for now | 13:03 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, dont touch the leecarter_* branches yet | 13:03 |
| mr_german | ok | 13:03 |
| mr_german | but, I can do git pull to download the script right? | 13:03 |
| mr_german | nvm | 13:04 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes, see the second step | 13:04 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, :) | 13:04 |
| mr_german | when you say "git push origin my_branch" | 13:05 |
| mr_german | it means master? | 13:05 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, no, your personal branch | 13:05 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, sorry about the lack of specificity :D | 13:06 |
| mr_german | ok | 13:06 |
| mr_german | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/tree/gfbot/lee_carter-cms | 13:06 |
| mr_german | ok, done | 13:06 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, | 13:06 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, looks good, thanks | 13:08 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, one question | 13:11 |
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| mr_german | for this case, the rotator should be the banner? right? | 13:11 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yeah, the rotator should have stories now and it should be kept | 13:13 |
| mr_german | ok+ | 13:14 |
| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 13:15 |
| replaceafill | hey zOnny | 13:32 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: one question | 13:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes? | 13:34 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: To get novalaciro theme working and running | 13:36 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, just fyi i just talked to mr_german and asked him to read Stephanie's change requests, and sent him your way in case he has questions | 13:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes...? | 13:37 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you always intrigue me | 13:38 |
| zOnny | Do I need to set up a new tendenci theme ? | 13:38 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what are you trying to do? | 13:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, set up the new theme in your local instance? | 13:39 |
| zOnny | I want tu run the novalaciro's branch | 13:39 |
| zOnny | *to | 13:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, clone the nova-base-theme repo in your themes | 13:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, checkout the _prod branch (or _dev if you prefer) | 13:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, set the new theme as default | 13:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, create the content (boxes, navs) as the theme expects | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, makes sense? | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so to answer your last question, yes, you need a "new" theme | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, your instance is already bilingual, right? | 13:42 |
| jelkner | ping replaceafill | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, pong | 13:44 |
| jelkner | zOnny and i are having a discussion here about our cms | 13:45 |
| jelkner | we need to get you involved | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh no... i mean, sure | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | :) | 13:45 |
| jelkner | i told him i didn't like the way the text looked above the logo on novalaciro | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i know | 13:45 |
| jelkner | he says you wanted it that way so the user could make changes to it | 13:46 |
| jelkner | WTF?, I said ;-) | 13:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no, i wanted that way because i wanted to test that approach | 13:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that area may not ever change | 13:46 |
| jelkner | ok, i want to just report the problem | 13:46 |
| jelkner | users will not want to change their logos like that | 13:46 |
| jelkner | not usually anyway | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yep, notice the usually part | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but let me get something straight | 13:47 |
| jelkner | please | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm not married to any decision we've made in the past week | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we're just starting learning this cms thingy | 13:47 |
| jelkner | understood | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if you (the customer) think that banner can be hardcoded, that's fine with me | 13:48 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i could have used yagni for a lot of things | 13:48 |
| jelkner | this is an art, not a science | 13:48 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but i was mostly experimenting | 13:48 |
| jelkner | here be dragons | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but now we're in the position where zOnny can take any of this and adjust it as needed | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, as i said in my email last night | 13:49 |
| jelkner | ACTION anticipates the call from keri, saying "i wanted to update the site, but i broke it!" | 13:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh yes | 13:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that'll happen for sure | 13:49 |
| jelkner | let's start small | 13:49 |
| jelkner | give the users what they really need | 13:49 |
| jelkner | not what they don't | 13:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we're giving users the right amount of rope for them to hang themselves :D | 13:49 |
| jelkner | the more they need, the more we should charge them | 13:49 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner, fine | 13:50 |
| jelkner | if we keep letting our user kill themselves | 13:50 |
| jelkner | we won't have many users soon :-( | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the users can kill themselves in other parts, not just the banner | 13:50 |
| jelkner | i don't know the answer | 13:50 |
| jelkner | only the question | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 13:51 |
| jelkner | (typical bs from a teacher) | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, anyway | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i consider all of our themes malleable | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if that's the rigth word | 13:51 |
| jelkner | but we want and need happy, empowered users | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if the customer requests something we do it | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and in novalaciro's case you are the customer | 13:51 |
| jelkner | for some users, even a cms is going to seem daunting | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, indeed | 13:52 |
| jelkner | fair enough | 13:52 |
| jelkner | you can make me bleed if you want to | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's why i keep insisting on us not changing the cms too much | 13:52 |
| jelkner | i'm cool with that | 13:52 |
| jelkner | but should i really have to position the logo font? | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if we start giving people different versions of the cms | 13:52 |
| jelkner | if we are not giving users different versions | 13:52 |
| jelkner | then let's give none of them banner editing | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 13:53 |
| jelkner | cool | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but you're ok with the banner "position" right? | 13:53 |
| jelkner | i can go back to asking zOnny to fix the banner | 13:53 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so we could adjust our base template to always have it | 13:53 |
| jelkner | i don't like the logo text | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and if not used, just not display it | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh yes, the old banner zOnny had it's much better | 13:54 |
| jelkner | i told zOnny that even if replaceafill says it is not the right way to do it, if it is too hard to make it look right | 13:54 |
| jelkner | but the text in the image | 13:54 |
| jelkner | i leave that up to you | 13:54 |
| jelkner | but my requirements are that the text look nice and stay fixed relative to the map of Virginia | 13:54 |
| jelkner | s/but/put | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, my only comment there | 13:55 |
| jelkner | put the text in the image | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, is that zOnny should have a monitor to test the resolution you want | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, when he's developing | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we all should, but he's our designer | 13:55 |
| jelkner | agreed | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if you want the site to look good on 2600x1600 px | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we need a way to test that | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, anyway | 13:56 |
| jelkner | anyway | 13:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, change anything at will | 13:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's not my code or my way of doing things anymore | 13:56 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 13:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's ours | 13:56 |
| jelkner | ? | 13:56 |
| jelkner | i don't understand what you just said | 13:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, last week i was like a dictator, trying to keep zOnny and mr_german inbounds | 13:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, not giving them enough space on purpose | 13:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that was "my" way of doing things at that point | 13:57 |
| jelkner | you need to get them on the same page | 13:57 |
| jelkner | i think for now, that is a good approach | 13:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, now that the themes are in production | 13:57 |
| jelkner | the day will come when they are confident to challenge you | 13:57 |
| jelkner | we aren't there yet | 13:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we adjust them according to the customer, not me | 13:57 |
| jelkner | but only you have the wisdom to estimate the cost | 13:58 |
| jelkner | that's the most important thing to keep in mind | 13:58 |
| jelkner | it will always be about trade offs | 13:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure, just take into account i'm a developer, not a user | 13:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you and me see things differently because of that | 13:58 |
| jelkner | like you've said many times, "it's software, we can do it" | 13:58 |
| jelkner | but we need to give the customer some feel for the cost | 13:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, agree | 13:59 |
| jelkner | so my responsibility is to communicate needs / wants clearly | 13:59 |
| jelkner | your responsibility is to estimate costs and deliver pretty close to your estimates | 13:59 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, a process we haven't been following much | 14:00 |
| jelkner | we need to follow that more close | 14:00 |
| jelkner | ly | 14:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 14:00 |
| jelkner | or we can't effectively bill customers | 14:00 |
| jelkner | we've talked about this a lot | 14:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, now with this base theme decision i think more things will fall in place | 14:01 |
| jelkner | we won't really learn to do it until we have paying customers | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny will be able to estimate better too | 14:01 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:01 |
| jelkner | ok, lelkneralfaro wants to talk to me | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 14:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I just saw what you said about mr_german and the change requests. I'm confused, we are doing the site change over to tendenci correct? Not just making the changes she requested | 14:01 |
| jelkner | not me, replaceafill, you | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i asked mr_german to read those docs first | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and mark what's possible with the cms and what's not | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, some things like layout of the issues page | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it's not straight forward | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, in that part i was telling mr_german *i* would like to experiment | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, with a new template | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, he already knows how to do it | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it's not necessary for us to do it | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, we can just tell Stephanie "this is too hard" or something | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, or provide alternative layouts | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, remember that we've done just a couple of pages currently with the new layout | 14:04 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, does any of this make sens? | 14:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, i think so | 14:05 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you around? | 14:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, what would we tell Stephanie is too hard | 14:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill,? | 14:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, that's the one part that I'm confused on | 14:06 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, let me look for the example i'm thinking of | 14:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, and the new layout is tendenci 2018 correct? | 14:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, it's possible I'm a bit behind on the tech developments | 14:06 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, from now on we call it nova base theem | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, theme* | 14:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, okay cool | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but yes, it's a rip off of the 2018 theme :) | 14:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, understood | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, "If possible, if we could get a widget that pulls in the bills Lee has co-patroned and patroned from LIS (http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?181+mbr+H293) that would be amazing. " | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, that's a hard no from me | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, that would be* | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but i think it's mr_german decision now | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, "I’d really like to change the look of this page: Removing the icons at the top, making the boxes small or organizing them differently so the reader doesn’t have to scroll as much for basic information" | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, the "making the boxes small" can't be handled with a simple page | 14:09 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, you can go to the demo and add a page and see how simple the resulting layout is | 14:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, okay but long story short. we will provide the new site with the nova base theme but some features we cannot provide in the way that she requested them, so we will have to communicate that to her | 14:10 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, correct | 14:10 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, that's what i asked mr_german to tell you | 14:10 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, what things are not possible or easy to deliver | 14:10 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and what can be done with the cms | 14:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, okay got it. | 14:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, sorry to cut you off, but we have to leave this room now | 14:11 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, np | 14:11 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ttyl | 14:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, cool. talk to you soon. | 14:11 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, CI for lee's ready | 14:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, the leecarter_dev branch points to https://leecarter-dev.novawebdevelopment.org/ | 14:37 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, thanks! | 14:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and the leecarter_prod branch points to http://leecarter.novawebdevelopment.org/ | 14:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, they both look the same at the moment, empty | 14:37 |
| mr_german | so | 14:37 |
| mr_german | I don't have to touch the prod | 14:38 |
| mr_german | just def | 14:38 |
| mr_german | dev* | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, no, you have write access in both | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, it's your project! | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you should have the ability to do anything ;) | 14:38 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, ok | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, use _dev to show things you're not sure about, experiment, etc | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, _prod should have things Stephanie wants/needs | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and they can be sync'ed if you want also | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, all i'm doing is giving you ability to publish both branches | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok? | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | ok | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | ACTION goes home | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | see you tomorrow mr_german | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | o/ | 14:40 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, see you | 14:41 |
| mr_german | o/ | 14:41 |
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