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| mr_german | good morning replaceafill, jelkner | 11:08 |
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| replaceafill | good morning mr_german | 11:09 |
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| lelkneralfaro | I don't have anything to report today | 11:32 |
| lelkneralfaro | and no one has added anything to the agenda | 11:32 |
| replaceafill | quick meeting! :D | 11:32 |
| lelkneralfaro | :) | 11:32 |
| jelkner | not so quick | 11:32 |
| jelkner | i would like to move that our business manager agree to present us with legal bylaws for the state of va in 2 weeks | 11:33 |
| jelkner | and then i'd like to discuss the definiition of "intern" relating to our organization | 11:33 |
| jelkner | can we talk about interns? | 11:35 |
| jelkner | mr_german, hrodriguez, mjsir911 what do you think? | 11:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I second the motion | 11:36 |
| mjsir911 | which part about interns? | 11:37 |
| ubuntourist | Bylaws in two weeks: +1 | 11:39 |
| jelkner | ok, i'm going to run with this | 11:40 |
| jelkner | mr_german, are you here? | 11:40 |
| mr_german | jelkner, yes | 11:40 |
| jelkner | cool | 11:40 |
| jelkner | 1st, a bit of background | 11:40 |
| jelkner | this came from chris hedrick's experience | 11:41 |
| jelkner | he was a student who worked with us for 4 years | 11:41 |
| jelkner | 3 years as an "intern" and one year as the only truly working "member" | 11:41 |
| jelkner | here is what we came up with | 11:41 |
| jelkner | 1. you can be an intern with nova web development for a maximum of three years | 11:42 |
| jelkner | 2. after 3 years you have to either be invited to join as a member/owner, or asked to move on | 11:42 |
| jelkner | that was basically it | 11:42 |
| jelkner | i would like to add a 3rd requirement | 11:43 |
| jelkner | 3. interns must be people with less than 3 years experience in the IT field | 11:43 |
| mjsir911 | does that not invalidate rule 1 and 2? | 11:43 |
| mjsir911 | or at least enforce it implicitly | 11:44 |
| hrodriguez | But, after 3 years is gonna be our decision to stay or move on? jelkner | 11:46 |
| jelkner | it will be both, hrodriguez, and it doesn't have be 3 years | 11:46 |
| jelkner | let me explain where this came from | 11:47 |
| mjsir911 | is an intern garunteed membership after the internship expires? | 11:47 |
| jelkner | there are thousands of IT jobs listed in the washington post | 11:47 |
| jelkner | (or at least there were when chedrick was looking) | 11:47 |
| jelkner | almost all of them said "requires 3 years experience" | 11:48 |
| jelkner | we talked about the problem with this | 11:48 |
| jelkner | how do you get 3 years experience if all experience requires 3 years experience already? | 11:48 |
| jelkner | since we are connected to an educational program | 11:49 |
| jelkner | we will have young folks (like chedrick, mjsir911, hrodriguez) | 11:49 |
| jelkner | who don't have any experience | 11:49 |
| jelkner | we want to give them an opportunity to work with us | 11:49 |
| jelkner | but we want to protect them from being exploited by us in the long run | 11:49 |
| jelkner | and protect us from their inexperience | 11:50 |
| jelkner | normally, experienced new members will be "invited" | 11:50 |
| jelkner | and after a 6 month or 1 year trial period | 11:50 |
| jelkner | be voted in as members | 11:50 |
| jelkner | but for interns that process won't work | 11:50 |
| jelkner | does this make sense? | 11:51 |
| jelkner | in chedrick's case it worked perfectly as planned | 11:51 |
| jelkner | he got an industry job, and tells me straight up it was the novawebdev experience on his resume that got him that job | 11:51 |
| ubuntourist | There is a funny novel about the absurdity of war, "Catch-22" by Joseph Heller, which has a paradox as an important part of the premise. | 11:52 |
| jelkner | we hope, hrodriguez, you will come to love the idea of platform coops and want to stay with us and become a member | 11:52 |
| jelkner | but we need time for you and us to decide if that makes sense | 11:52 |
| jelkner | i'm done, unless there are questions | 11:53 |
| ubuntourist | There is always a "loophole" or "catch" to what seems to be a good rule. This has type of contradiction / paradox now takes its name from the title of the novel. | 11:53 |
| ubuntourist | See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic) | 11:53 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, not guaranteed | 11:53 |
| jelkner | i would assume that if we let someone stay for three years, we would want to invite them | 11:54 |
| ubuntourist | So: "You need work experience to get a job. You need a job to get work experience." is a "catch-22". | 11:54 |
| jelkner | but i can imagine a few scenarios where that doesn't happen | 11:54 |
| jelkner | 1. we have a young person we like a lot but they don't really fit with our needs as a coop | 11:55 |
| jelkner | we want to give them a good recommendation and let them fill out their resume | 11:55 |
| jelkner | but not make them a voting member | 11:55 |
| jelkner | 2. we have a young person who wants an "internship" (for the reasons mentioned) but plans to do other things afterward | 11:56 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro jokingly mentioned what happens if they start acting weird in the last 2 weeks ;-) | 11:56 |
| jelkner | but i would hope after 3 years we would know them well enough | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 on that last point | 11:57 |
| jelkner | i mean some of us may start acting weird when we turn 60 ;-( | 11:57 |
| jelkner | one last thing | 11:58 |
| jelkner | our meeting is almost over | 11:58 |
| jelkner | we need to define rights and responsibilities for interns | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i'd like to propose that interns have the right to particpate | 11:58 |
| jelkner | but not to vote | 11:59 |
| jelkner | that thought came from the mjsir911 replaceafill discussion yesterday | 11:59 |
| jelkner | mjsir911 has strong opinions | 11:59 |
| jelkner | as an intern, he should have the right to voice them | 11:59 |
| jelkner | but only the members will vote on the final decision | 12:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | I'll... | 12:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 12:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | I agree with jelkner's proposal | 12:01 |
| ubuntourist | Pro-forma "Code of Conduct" signature... It may seem like B.S. but it has now come up in Ubuntu Launchpad, HacDC, and a few other organizations. | 12:02 |
| mr_german | btw. lelkneralfaro did you my email? | 12:03 |
| mr_german | did you see* | 12:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, yes. didn't have a chance to get back to you yet | 12:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | mr_german, but it's the novawebdevelopment logo | 12:04 |
| mr_german | lelkneralfaro, oh, ok | 12:04 |
| mr_german | lelkneralfaro, anything else? | 12:04 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, are you around_ | 12:12 |
| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 12:23 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i'm filing a bug that i'll assign to you | 12:23 |
| zOnny | ok replaceafill | 12:24 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, done | 12:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/issues/3 | 12:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you already started fixing that iirc | 12:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, now we just need to make the switch in all the themes | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, makes sense? | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, check how helios looks with the ORA theme: https://i.imgur.com/Szh0Yk5.png | 12:27 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, that's helios? | 12:28 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if you compare with ORA testing you'll notice the banner missing | 12:28 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes | 12:28 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, reusing the ora_dev branch from the base theme | 12:28 |
| zOnny | ok, replaceafill | 12:28 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, because helios doesn't have access to boxes | 12:29 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, it looks really good | 12:29 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, the navs are fake, but we don't need to be faking boxes in helios | 12:29 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, indeed | 12:29 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, your desing :) | 12:29 |
| replaceafill | design* | 12:29 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, it was hard to get there? | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, tricky | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, here's where you feel the pain of our own theming decisions | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, like markup being different for ora, aea, novalaciro, etc | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, because of the design structures | 12:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, but it's worth the pain when you see it working :) | 12:35 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, oh | 12:39 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny helios with the AEA theme: https://i.imgur.com/7YnNCau.png | 12:48 |
| replaceafill | note the NOVA logo missin :'( | 12:48 |
| replaceafill | missing* | 12:48 |
| zOnny | I will make the nova-logo hardcoded same as novalaciro replaceafill | 12:53 |
| zOnny | hey replaceafill one question | 12:53 |
| zOnny | there is an option that allows users click on add new page or add new box ? | 12:55 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i don't understand the question | 12:57 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, "click on add new page"? | 12:57 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what do you mean? | 12:57 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, it looks good too | 12:59 |
| zOnny | ex. once the want to add a new page where they should look for ? | 12:59 |
| zOnny | if I want to add a box where should I look for ? | 13:00 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i'm not sure if i undertand you | 13:00 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ah ok | 13:01 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, 1. you need the user to be an admin, right? | 13:01 |
| zOnny | I mean once you are the admin and want to make these changes | 13:01 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, the dashboard? | 13:01 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you can get to Pages from there | 13:01 |
| zOnny | there is an option for pages correct but boxes ? | 13:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, boxes can be accessed from the megamenu | 13:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, under the Apps submenu | 13:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, then 7. Layout | 13:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, Boxes | 13:02 |
| zOnny | remember that home page its been displaying in a box | 13:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so? | 13:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, why can't they just go to the homepage once logged in | 13:03 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and use the "edit something something box" link | 13:03 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ? | 13:03 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, by something something i meant the title of the box ;) | 13:03 |
| zOnny | I can see pages replaceafill | 13:03 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, did you find the options you needed? | 13:10 |
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| jelkner | ping replaceafill | 13:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, pong | 13:27 |
| jelkner | did you do anything with email for novalaciro, replaceafill? | 13:31 |
| jelkner | mjsir911 thought he could do that through namecheap | 13:32 |
| jelkner | but he saw mx records already configured | 13:32 |
| jelkner | so he didn't want to break what you had done | 13:32 |
| jelkner | our immediate need is to have daniela@novalaciro.org work | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i think we're mixing tasks here | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i didn't know i *had* to do anything about it | 13:32 |
| jelkner | (forward to her gmail account) | 13:32 |
| jelkner | i wasn't going to bother you about it | 13:33 |
| jelkner | since mjsir911 said he could handle it | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 13:33 |
| jelkner | i'm only asking you now because he thought you had done something with the mx record | 13:33 |
| jelkner | if you didn't, he can delete that safely for now, yes? | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, well we have our own email server for novalaciro.org | 13:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's the configuration that's set up | 13:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but we decided not to use it, yes? | 13:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so mjsir911 can get rid of it | 13:34 |
| jelkner | cool | 13:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, anything else you need from me? | 13:36 |
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| jelkner | yes, replaceafill | 13:37 |
| jelkner | next saturday and sunday hrodriguez will be going out door knocking with daniela in hrodriguez's neighborhood | 13:37 |
| jelkner | we should talk about how we will enter info into our database | 13:39 |
| jelkner | do you have any thoughts on that, replaceafill? | 13:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, is there any problem on using the "Join Us" form? | 13:40 |
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| jelkner | how well does that work with a phone? | 13:40 |
| jelkner | we should test it | 13:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 13:40 |
| jelkner | in the middle term, i'm going to ask mjsir911 to work on a mobile app for us | 13:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 13:41 |
| jelkner | web app | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, iirc our membership forms are quite responsive | 13:41 |
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| jelkner | so they hide the navigation etc? | 13:41 |
| jelkner | that's what you really want | 13:41 |
| jelkner | no url bar | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the part that may not make sense depending on your needs is the account information | 13:41 |
| jelkner | full screen | 13:42 |
| jelkner | let's see | 13:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i mean, username, password, confirm password | 13:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, again, depends on what you really need | 13:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, other approach would be to create a form just for "data entry" | 13:42 |
| jelkner | we aren't 100% sure what we need | 13:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if you're just gathering info about people interested | 13:42 |
| jelkner | yes | 13:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and don't want them to become "real members" in the system | 13:43 |
| jelkner | we want to create a list of "concerns" from folks who may not be ready to join yet | 13:43 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, then i'd recommend a custom Tendenci Form | 13:43 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:43 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, can you mention some fields you need? | 13:43 |
| jelkner | let's just say one for now | 13:44 |
| jelkner | Question: What would you say is the biggest concern you have that a group like NOVALACIRO could help you resolve? | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, wouldn't be something like "person, address, issue" | 13:45 |
| jelkner | person, address, issue | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we're talking Daniela and hrodriguez making the data entry, right? | 13:45 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:45 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so we don't really need the user to see the form | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, hold on | 13:45 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:45 |
| jelkner | we don't need the "person" to see the form | 13:45 |
| jelkner | the "user"s will be daniela and hrodriguez | 13:46 |
| jelkner | they need to see it! ;-) | 13:46 |
| jelkner | what would it take to have the form you describe? | 13:46 |
| jelkner | and you hit the nail on the head | 13:47 |
| jelkner | with one modification | 13:47 |
| jelkner | we want to record metadata | 13:47 |
| jelkner | date and time | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, hrodriguez https://demo.tendenci.com/forms/issues/ | 13:47 |
| jelkner | this will be our first baby step in developing a canvassing feature | 13:47 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, one question | 13:47 |
| jelkner | omg | 13:47 |
| jelkner | there we go again | 13:48 |
| jelkner | tendenci has what we need! | 13:48 |
| jelkner | i'm luvin this a lot! | 13:48 |
| jelkner | ok, replaceafill, lelkneralfaro wants to talk to me about something lese | 13:48 |
| jelkner | else | 13:48 |
| jelkner | can we have this ready for daniela to see by tuesday? | 13:49 |
| jelkner | since it is "done" already? | 13:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it depends on zOnny really | 13:49 |
| jelkner | how so? | 13:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you should be talking to him about this :) | 13:49 |
| jelkner | cool | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, he's the one in charge of theming, setting up, etc | 13:50 |
| jelkner | i will | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, last thing | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no, never mind, i'll let you go | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, let me know if you have questions about this | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and you should explore modal forms | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, like the Subscribe and Contact button at the bottom of https://demo.tendenci.com/ | 13:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that *may* make hrodriguez and Daniela's work easier | 13:51 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, hey do you have a moment? | 14:00 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, kind of | 14:00 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, :) | 14:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, haha cool. I just wanted to put something on your radar and talk to you about it as soon as we are both free | 14:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I want to set up tendenci for Celina | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ah cool | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, when do you need it for? | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and don't get me the "tan pronto como sea posible" answer :D | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | give* | 14:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, lol I wouldn't do that to you | 14:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I have some time on my hands now | 14:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, and jelkner was suggesting that I can help with the switch over | 14:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, which will give me some experience with the set up process | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i assume you're talking about setting up cms content, right? | 14:04 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, not setting up the server | 14:04 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, what's the long term plan for their instance? | 14:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes setting up the cms content. | 14:05 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i mean, are we going to handle this like we're doing with Lee's site? | 14:05 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, set up a separate server, set up the content there | 14:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes this would be like Lee's site | 14:06 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, once they're happy, we switch the dns and kill the old one | 14:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, exactly | 14:06 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool, are we getting the linode? | 14:06 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, or are they going to do that? | 14:06 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, i have a big question about this | 14:06 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i think i cc'ed you on the linode transfer email? | 14:06 |
| jelkner | and lelkneralfaro needs to be in the mix on this too | 14:06 |
| jelkner | we have two different linode accounts, yes? | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, two? | 14:07 |
| jelkner | i'm asking because we can get in serious trouble if we don't do the accounting right | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, considering gctaa? | 14:07 |
| jelkner | yes | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i don't consider gctaa novawebdev's | 14:07 |
| jelkner | cool | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no offense :) | 14:07 |
| jelkner | never mind then | 14:07 |
| jelkner | none taken | 14:07 |
| jelkner | it is just confusing for me | 14:08 |
| jelkner | since i work with the same people in both ;-) | 14:08 |
| jelkner | zOnny, mainly | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, two hats! | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :D | 14:08 |
| jelkner | ok, where are the funds coming from for our linode? | 14:08 |
| jelkner | they are just linked to my credit card, yes? | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we're running out of credits | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but they come from you | 14:08 |
| jelkner | i want to request that we change that | 14:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 14:09 |
| jelkner | it is getting out of hand | 14:09 |
| jelkner | i don't monitor it | 14:09 |
| jelkner | and it is a hidden cost to us doing business | 14:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but we need to switch "client" linodes | 14:09 |
| jelkner | since it seems "free" to you | 14:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, to a new accounting | 14:09 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro should be in charge of that | 14:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and keep development ones in a separate | 14:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, don't you think? | 14:09 |
| jelkner | and it should be linked to our credit union account | 14:09 |
| jelkner | it should be linked to the novawebdevelopment credit uninon account | 14:10 |
| jelkner | i can still through some money in now and then when we need it | 14:10 |
| jelkner | but the accounting would be clear | 14:10 |
| jelkner | and the cost factored into our business | 14:10 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 14:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 14:11 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, do you know how to do that? i mean, in linode? | 14:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, probably. just changing payroll information | 14:12 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, yes, https://manager.linode.com/account | 14:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, as long as the info is shared with me I can make the switch | 14:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, yes, you have an admin user there "louisea-novawebdev" | 14:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, okay i've never used it | 14:13 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, let me know if you need the password reset | 14:13 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, oh never mind, there's a forgot password link :) | 14:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, cool thanks | 14:14 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, i can tell him the password | 14:14 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we all have accounts linked there, or he can use the master one, sure | 14:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh, zOnny doesn't... | 14:15 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, did you see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ynkJmj3n5Ei3CfeX8tK-7P8ttNxq8HW6nCf6mtCxcE8/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=111949193489489412673 | 14:16 |
| jelkner | i just gave lelkneralfaro the master one | 14:16 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 14:16 |
| jelkner | that's the only one i know | 14:17 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, too much power! | 14:17 |
| jelkner | lol | 14:17 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i think we should try to keep that spreadsheet as updated as possible | 14:18 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and the billing and monthly cost information is good for accounting | 14:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, for sure | 14:19 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and the service urls help us manage the content, etc of each site | 14:19 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and service credential | 14:20 |
| replaceafill | s | 14:20 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, in case someone needs them | 14:20 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, so, look at cases like Lee Carter | 14:20 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, his production site is paid by him | 14:21 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but the one we're developing it's paid by us | 14:21 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, well, jelkner :) | 14:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, i see | 14:21 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, once we make the development site the official one | 14:21 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, we'd need to "transfer" the linode | 14:21 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, like we discussed doing for aea | 14:21 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, aea's linode, same story | 14:22 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, novalaciro, same story | 14:22 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i think ORA stays with us | 14:22 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but we'll need to get rid of one linode | 14:22 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, once we switch to tendenci | 14:22 |
| replaceafill | oh | 14:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, and then we'll need to get payment info from Lee? | 14:23 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, correct | 14:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, cool | 14:23 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, could you get into your novawebdev linode account | 14:23 |
| mjsir911 | kill check | 14:23 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, and let me know if you're still using the "Tendenci Deployment Testing" server | 14:23 |
| mjsir911 | s/kill/ill | 14:24 |
| mjsir911 | yea I'm not | 14:24 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, could you remove it? | 14:24 |
| mjsir911 | sure | 14:24 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, thanks | 14:24 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, so based on all this work we need to do | 14:25 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, how do you want to handle Celina's new site? | 14:25 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, do you want to wait until they have their own linode account? | 14:25 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, oh, nationalhospital, same case | 14:26 |
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| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, one sec discussing it with jelkner | 14:27 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, sure | 14:28 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, did you have question? | 14:28 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, sorry i didn't reply then | 14:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, just talked about it with jelkner we should set it up under our own account | 14:34 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, and then we can bill her | 14:34 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool, i'll let you handle the accounting work however you think is best | 14:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, rather than setting up an independent account for her | 14:35 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, my only tech requirement | 14:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 14:35 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, if we go with independent accounts for some of our clients | 14:35 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i mean linode accounts | 14:36 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, yes | 14:36 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, my question was | 14:36 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, we need to request additional accounts for us | 14:36 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, so we can still manage their linodes | 14:36 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, what do you mean additional accounts? | 14:36 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, if the nova logo has to be static or a box | 14:37 |
| jelkner | we only need one account | 14:37 |
| jelkner | lots of vps's, yes? | 14:37 |
| jelkner | i'm confused | 14:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i meant, for instance AEA | 14:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you want them to be paying for their own linode, right? | 14:37 |
| jelkner | aea has their own account | 14:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, not in linode | 14:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, they have a webfaction one | 14:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, same with lee carter | 14:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, etc | 14:37 |
| jelkner | do you want me to revisit the history of this discussion, replaceafill? | 14:38 |
| jelkner | i thought you were familiar with it | 14:38 |
| jelkner | i was sharing it with lelkneralfaro who is not familiar with it | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ehh, maybe | 14:38 |
| jelkner | i'll sum up | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, please | 14:38 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, we need to get this done | 14:39 |
| jelkner | so i'll explain after lelkneralfaro leaves | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 14:39 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes, sorry I have to get going | 14:39 |
| jelkner | for now, let's create a vps on our account for celina | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, so, should i go get ahed and start with celina's setup? | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, jelkner cool | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, jelkner will do TAN PRONTO COMO PUEDA | 14:40 |
| jelkner | so, who should do that | 14:40 |
| jelkner | ? | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the linode set up, me | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, the content set up, lelkneralfaro | 14:40 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro we'll probably need a theme | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro who does that? | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro we can get started with teh base theme | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro but that can only takes us so far | 14:41 |
| jelkner | we just saying you decide that | 14:41 |
| jelkner | mr_german, probably | 14:41 |
| jelkner | right? | 14:41 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 14:41 |
| mr_german | jelkner, ok! | 14:41 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, jelkner +1 | 14:41 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, that's it from me then | 14:41 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, cool me too | 14:41 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, thanks a lot! | 14:41 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, you too :) | 14:42 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, see you tomorrow | 14:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, talk to you then | 14:42 |
| jelkner | ok replaceafill a brief summary with new information | 14:42 |
| jelkner | the "normal" way to do this is that someone calls up and says | 14:43 |
| jelkner | "Hi NOVA Web Development, I need a website to organize my folks, can you help me with that?" | 14:43 |
| jelkner | and we say | 14:43 |
| jelkner | "You bet! You've called the right place. Tell us a bit more about what you need and we'll set you right up." | 14:43 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, are you going to the "yearly subscription package"? | 14:44 |
| jelkner | by "set you right up" | 14:44 |
| jelkner | perhaps | 14:44 |
| jelkner | yes, for serving | 14:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, a fixed amount for services included | 14:44 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, during a period of time | 14:44 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:44 |
| jelkner | we haven't been doing that | 14:44 |
| jelkner | on my insistance | 14:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that includes linodes and all the behind the scenes stuff | 14:44 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but you want clients to have control | 14:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, of their future | 14:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, decisions | 14:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, tech decisions | 14:45 |
| jelkner | so, the main reason i insisted on not doing that | 14:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so they may leave *us* and go with the competition and still use the same linode if they care | 14:45 |
| jelkner | is i was proceeding on the assumption that we were a precarious organization | 14:45 |
| jelkner | not likely to even exist in a year | 14:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we still are ;) | 14:46 |
| jelkner | *and*, the person who handles that kind of billing and setup | 14:46 |
| jelkner | is our business manager | 14:46 |
| jelkner | we didn't even have one of those | 14:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah got it | 14:46 |
| jelkner | yes, my friend, we are | 14:46 |
| jelkner | but we need to being acting like we're not | 14:46 |
| jelkner | it will be a transition | 14:46 |
| jelkner | but is we are going to make it to the other side | 14:46 |
| jelkner | we need to take steps | 14:46 |
| jelkner | in the case of celina | 14:47 |
| jelkner | i said to lelkneralfaro | 14:47 |
| jelkner | she is family | 14:47 |
| jelkner | even if we go out of business she will know where to find us ;-) | 14:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and that's why we're a precarious organization! | 14:47 |
| replaceafill | joking* | 14:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i think i understand you, really | 14:48 |
| jelkner | so let's use this opportunity to treat her like one of our future "we take of everything" customers | 14:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 14:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, makes sense | 14:48 |
| jelkner | so you, lekneralfaro, can learn how this process works | 14:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, what about lee and elizabeth? | 14:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if you start calling people family | 14:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that makes this a bit blurry | 14:48 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, aea? | 14:48 |
| jelkner | i would say the same thing for them | 14:48 |
| jelkner | this is art, not science | 14:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 14:49 |
| jelkner | but let me explain my thinking | 14:49 |
| jelkner | aea is different | 14:49 |
| jelkner | aea has been around for a loooong time | 14:49 |
| jelkner | and will continue to be so | 14:49 |
| jelkner | alysha retired | 14:49 |
| jelkner | aea remains | 14:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, right | 14:49 |
| jelkner | ingrid and keri will retire | 14:49 |
| jelkner | aea will remain | 14:50 |
| jelkner | so they should have their own account | 14:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 14:50 |
| jelkner | since they will very likely outlive us | 14:50 |
| jelkner | but lee and elizabeth is a different story | 14:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so the question on how to set up future projects becomes "will they outlive us?" | 14:50 |
| jelkner | yes, that's one test | 14:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, or "are they family to us?" | 14:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :D | 14:50 |
| jelkner | a good way to think about it | 14:50 |
| jelkner | both, man | 14:51 |
| jelkner | here is where the family part comes in | 14:51 |
| jelkner | if it turns out our beloved coop isn't going to make it | 14:51 |
| jelkner | i will feel obligated to do all the work needed to take care of our partners | 14:52 |
| jelkner | and customers | 14:52 |
| jelkner | how much of that can i handle? | 14:52 |
| jelkner | that's the "family" part | 14:52 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 14:52 |
| jelkner | can i handle helping celina, lee, and elizabeth setup their own linode accounts and migrating them over later if need be? | 14:53 |
| jelkner | yes, i think so | 14:53 |
| jelkner | but i can't do 200 of those | 14:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you just need to understand that my family is you, not them | 14:53 |
| jelkner | and still keep my teaching job | 14:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, so it's a bit difficult for me to realize who's your family | 14:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, this conversation became really abstract :D | 14:53 |
| jelkner | i'm aweful on that one, replaceafill | 14:53 |
| jelkner | since i consider humanity to be my family ;-) | 14:53 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :D | 14:54 |
| jelkner | in this context, "family" is a word for a somewhat higher level of personal commitment then "the human family", however | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 14:55 |
| jelkner | if replaceafill shows up at my door needing a place to live | 14:55 |
| jelkner | i'll take him in | 14:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i just wish some of the causes were more familiar to me | 14:55 |
| jelkner | as much as i may love humanity in the abstract | 14:55 |
| jelkner | if a stranger shows up at my door needing a place to live | 14:55 |
| jelkner | i won't take them in | 14:55 |
| jelkner | so i guess they're not family | 14:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :) | 14:55 |
| jelkner | anyway, this is getting too abstract | 14:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :D | 14:56 |
| jelkner | the important thing is, i have two goals: | 14:56 |
| jelkner | 1. for lelkneralfaro to begin taking on more of a "business manger" role | 14:56 |
| jelkner | 2. for our service to our customers (our product) to get nicer and nicer | 14:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, right | 14:57 |
| jelkner | i figured in this case, asking celina (which will really mean lelkneralfaro) | 14:57 |
| jelkner | to setup her own linode account | 14:57 |
| jelkner | didn't make sense | 14:57 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro would have had to do it anyway | 14:57 |
| jelkner | so why not get him managing our linode account instead? | 14:58 |
| jelkner | i think that is a sound decision | 14:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 14:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we need expenses too, accounting, be more of a formal company | 14:59 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:59 |
| jelkner | that's what lelkneralfaro and i were talking about | 14:59 |
| jelkner | he is the one who needs to get a handle on that | 14:59 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 14:59 |
| jelkner | we need to know what our costs of doing business are | 14:59 |
| jelkner | we need to get a handle on our accounting | 15:00 |
| jelkner | i knew i would never have the time or patience to do that effectively | 15:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and if we ever ask for a loan, those are basic things we'll be asked i pressume | 15:00 |
| jelkner | though strangely enough, i am the one forced to do it for novalaciro | 15:00 |
| jelkner | +1 | 15:00 |
| jelkner | a big +1 | 15:01 |
| jelkner | we need to have our accounting in order | 15:01 |
| jelkner | how much did you make last year? | 15:01 |
| jelkner | what were your expenses? | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | how did you distribute profit among members? | 15:01 |
| jelkner | why do you think what you are doing will result in a profitable business in the future? | 15:01 |
| jelkner | yup | 15:02 |
| jelkner | so many things to address | 15:02 |
| jelkner | but you and me, replaceafill need to get our product ready to demo | 15:02 |
| jelkner | that's the main thing | 15:02 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i know | 15:02 |
| jelkner | the accounting is extremely important too | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but with so many balls in the air to handle, progress feels slow sometimes | 15:03 |
| jelkner | but to me, the product is the horse, the accounting is the cart | 15:03 |
| jelkner | and as the saying goes, you shouldn't put the cart before the horse | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, did you see this: ah jelkner, i'll die poor following you, but happy that i did | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oops | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, https://i.imgur.com/Szh0Yk5.png | 15:03 |
| jelkner | lol | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, https://i.imgur.com/7YnNCau.png | 15:04 |
| jelkner | so, can i vote for Camila? | 15:04 |
| jelkner | yeah, replaceafill! | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's the rough working version | 15:04 |
| jelkner | perfect | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but it proved to be possible | 15:04 |
| jelkner | this is fantastic, wonderful news | 15:05 |
| jelkner | here's the plan | 15:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, now we need to get zOnny and mr_german aligned to the goals | 15:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, helios design goals | 15:05 |
| jelkner | you teach them, i nag them | 15:05 |
| jelkner | team work! | 15:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :D | 15:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, what's the plan? | 15:06 |
| jelkner | 1. zOnny is working with hrodriguez to get all the content migrated for aea | 15:06 |
| jelkner | 2. tomorrow i show it to keri and ingrid | 15:07 |
| jelkner | 3. tuesday, if all goes well, we "flip the switch" | 15:07 |
| jelkner | once that is in place | 15:07 |
| jelkner | we can talk about using all the new features, and especially helios, with aea | 15:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 15:07 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, i need to go | 15:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure, np | 15:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, thanks a lot man | 15:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it was a great day | 15:08 |
| jelkner | i need to work with ubuntourist before we leave today | 15:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lots of small victories | 15:08 |
| jelkner | it really was | 15:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, kk | 15:08 |
| jelkner | we got *a lot* done! | 15:08 |
| jelkner | later gater | 15:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, later! | 15:08 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 15:08 |
| replaceafill | ACTION signs off too | 15:20 |
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