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| ubuntourist | !remind This Thursday: ACC College & Career Expo. Do we have promotional materials? I bet other tablers do. | 07:29 |
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| Big_Brother | "This Thursday: ACC College & Career Expo. Do we have promotional materials? I bet other tablers do." added to message queue | 07:29 |
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| Big_Brother | Should we add links when discussing ballots, since we will be doing it online? | 11:30 |
| Big_Brother | Discuss latest draft of bylaws. (See comments made on the Google document.) | 11:30 |
| Big_Brother | discuss and decide to adopt bylaws | 11:30 |
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| Big_Brother | This Thursday: ACC College & Career Expo. Do we have promotional materials? I bet other tablers do. | 11:30 |
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| replaceafill | good morning everyone | 11:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | Good morning everyone :) | 11:30 |
| mjsir911 | morning | 11:30 |
| mr_german | hello | 11:30 |
| zOnny | Hello World! | 11:31 |
| nrcerna | Hello :) | 11:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | We can start from the top. Did anyone add any items other than jelkner? | 11:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | I added the item about the discussion of the latest draft of the bylaws | 11:32 |
| ubuntourist | I added Thursday at the ACC | 11:32 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, feature request for the remind command: display person who added message :) | 11:33 |
| ubuntourist | (I added the other "discuss the bylaws". Note there are two such reminders.) | 11:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | okay well I think we can jump down to begin the bylaw discussion then | 11:33 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, I *JUST* said that to mjsir911 in person. ;-) | 11:33 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, :D | 11:33 |
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| lelkneralfaro | I've gone through the original template from the resource in California | 11:34 |
| lelkneralfaro | http://www.co-oplaw.org/legal-tools/cooperative-bylaws/ | 11:34 |
| lelkneralfaro | and made changes to simplify it and fit it to our needs | 11:34 |
| lelkneralfaro | although it is still challenging and boring | 11:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | I think it is readable enough for someone interested in understanding it | 11:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | and we are here to answer any questions | 11:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | I think the MAIN point about them, as I mentioned in a previous email, is that we try to organize our decision making process | 11:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | and have a procedure for doing so | 11:36 |
| ubuntourist | (The Creative Commons link I sent talks about three "layers" of their licenses: legal, human-readable, and... "machine-readable" which is what I think we should eventually strive for and keep in mind as we and the document evolve.) | 11:37 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, yes, I think that with some more work the bylaws could become more human-readable | 11:37 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, I'll take a look at the creative commons and see if I can translate the bylaws into something more human accessible. | 11:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | that's all I have to say about the bylaws now, anyone else? | 11:39 |
| ubuntourist | We should perhaps each try to ask about what we do not understand. Like that word I encountered referring to feudal property rights. That will help determine what needs simplification. | 11:40 |
| ubuntourist | (What, at least needs a hyperlink to a comprehensible definition of the word or phrase.) | 11:41 |
| ubuntourist | Or, as replaceafill and I have done, ask questions about possible other interpretations of a rule or "what if... such and such happens? How do we deal with that?" | 11:42 |
| ubuntourist | And that's all I have to say about that. ;-) | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, the parts in {..} and [...] are for us to discuss as a group, correct? | 11:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, that was not my intention, they are just brackets from the original document that were connected to some comment from the authors | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | ah ok | 11:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, they can be deleted | 11:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | does anyone disagree with any parts of the bylaws? | 11:45 |
| lelkneralfaro | that a majority of members are needed to make decisions? | 11:45 |
| ubuntourist | Of the parts I understand, no objections. Of Section 6 in particular? I don't know. | 11:46 |
| mjsir911 | I've just skimmed it, but I agree with what I've gathered from it | 11:47 |
| ubuntourist | Aye (a.k.a. Yes, +1): A majority of members are needed to make decisions. | 11:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | okay, I'm hoping this becomes more real in practice | 11:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | if, for example, Paul Flint would have followed up yesterday | 11:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | and we were going to decide on taking on his project. We would need a majority of members to decide. But, to complicate things, if not every member was notified of the decision | 11:48 |
| lelkneralfaro | they could object to us making the decision, even if a majority of members decided to take it on | 11:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | make sense? | 11:49 |
| ubuntourist | lelkneralfaro, You mean if someone doesn't know there's a vote being called for, and misses it, they can object after the fact, right? | 11:50 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, exactly. | 11:50 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, I think it is a fair rule, to make sure that we stay cohesive and don't start getting mad and resenting one another | 11:51 |
| ubuntourist | Well, provided they can PROVE they were not notified, yes. If you send me a message and I don't read it, I have only myself to blame and cannot complain. | 11:51 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, that is a fair point. And that's where the 10 day notification requirement comes in | 11:51 |
| replaceafill | some of the rules won't be... in play?... until we become a bigger organization | 11:53 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes I have that same sense | 11:53 |
| replaceafill | and we'll understand them better and maybe adjust them by then, like allocations | 11:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, practically speaking we will probably have to make decisions more quickly now. | 11:55 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, but yes, i think that discussing the document now will give us a chance to get familiar with collective decision making | 11:56 |
| ubuntourist | lelkneralfaro, Yup. And we should have a "well-regulated" ;-) system on a member-accessible web page that holds notices. A bit like !remind were one can go for pending decisions | 11:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, and we can make desired adjustments and changes as we become more experienced | 11:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, very good idea | 11:58 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, +1 | 11:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, +1 | 11:58 |
| mjsir911 | I completely agree, need a better system for these important decisions then just saying "agree" | 11:59 |
| mjsir911 | especially considering a few of us aren't even using registered accounts | 11:59 |
| mjsir911 | (on freenode I mean) | 11:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | Well it is now 12:00 PM | 12:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | I'm ready to wrap up unless anyone else has something to add | 12:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, I'll speak to you about the ACC fair after the meeting | 12:00 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, are you planning on updating the doc to: | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | 1. include electronic voting (helios) | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | 2. address kevin's inline comments | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | ? | 12:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I didn't because I didn't feel it was necessary | 12:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, but if you think I should specify then I will | 12:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I thought that "ballots" was good enough, however we choose to distribute them | 12:02 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, got it | 12:02 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i'm just wondering how "final" the doc has to be for us to start using it | 12:03 |
| ubuntourist | I wanted everyone to have a chance to both comment and read the comments of others before making too many changes to the document, particularly if one person wants something changed one way and another prefers a different alteration that is in conflict. | 12:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, I agree with that approach | 12:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, so I didn't want to touch the document even if I thought the comment suggested a good improvement | 12:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, until we had a chance to discuss | 12:04 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, nrcerna any thoughts on the doc? | 12:05 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, I think the implementation of voting should be "our own dog food" -- at this point, Helios, but I don't know that it needs to be part of the Bylaws. | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, lelkneralfaro i agree | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, lelkneralfaro the method we use is not as important as the process described | 12:05 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, +1 | 12:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | did we go through all the items in the agenda? | 12:07 |
| nrcerna | I think probably I should ask you something later, about the Spanish version replaceafill | 12:07 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, consider there is no spanish version at this point | 12:08 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, until the english version is final | 12:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | nrcerna, I have considered that it is even harder right now for the Spanish-document to understand | 12:08 |
| nrcerna | Ok replaceafill | 12:08 |
| replaceafill | i've suggested nrcerna we should translate it at some point | 12:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | nrcerna, it is hard in English already | 12:08 |
| zOnny | In my experience all this is new for me, but everything that I am reading there is clear enough including the comments, Although there something that is not clear I will show up with my comments too | 12:09 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 12:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | nrcerna, so eventually a Spanish version would be great | 12:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, we didn't go through the points added by jelkner | 12:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, because he isn't here | 12:10 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ok, so no decision today on Paul Flint's site, right? | 12:10 |
| ubuntourist | +1 re: Spanish version, particularly when a fair amount of new people who come in are likely to be native Spanish speakers. | 12:10 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, we don't have any follow ups about that? | 12:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, nope. we haven't heard back from him, unfortunately. | 12:10 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool | 12:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I'll speak with jelkner later on to hear what happened | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, thanks | 12:11 |
| ubuntourist | Sounds like it's "hammer time" a.k.a. "gravel time". ;-) | 12:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, +1 | 12:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 12:11 |
| replaceafill | hammer time, lol | 12:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | thanks everyone :) | 12:12 |
| replaceafill | thanks everybody | 12:12 |
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| zOnny | ? | 12:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, welcome | 12:12 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, FYI gravel dropped at 12:11. | 12:13 |
| zOnny | Is that jelkner or is a irssi bug | 12:13 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, on the other hand, discussion re: ACC is about to start, post-meeting, Flint decision tabled due to lack of response, and your items tabled due to lack of you. | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, nrcerna please update your timesheets by tomorrow | 12:16 |
| nrcerna | Ok replaceafill | 12:16 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, and please mark the part of april we already paid you, ok? | 12:16 |
| nrcerna | Ok replaceafill | 12:17 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, nrcerna anything you need us to discuss? | 12:18 |
| nrcerna | I want to talk you but maybe later replaceafill | 12:19 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, cool | 12:19 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, i'll go do my laundry then :) | 12:19 |
| replaceafill | nrcerna, ttyl | 12:20 |
| nrcerna | I'll be working ;) replaceafill | 12:20 |
| nrcerna | cya | 12:20 |
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| zOnny | mr_german: are you around ? | 13:02 |
| mr_german | zOnny, hey | 13:02 |
| zOnny | hey man , I need you help | 13:02 |
| mr_german | zOnny, tell me | 13:02 |
| zOnny | I was checking in our NovaWebDev repos | 13:04 |
| zOnny | that you have already finished one | 13:05 |
| zOnny | I mean theming Helios | 13:05 |
| zOnny | with the aea website mr_german | 13:05 |
| mr_german | zOnny, oh yeah | 13:05 |
| zOnny | can you explain it to me about what should I do first mr_german | 13:07 |
| zOnny | because I saw that it has a shared directory | 13:07 |
| zOnny | that Helios doesn't include mr_german | 13:07 |
| zOnny | which I assume that it is the dir that you use as a custom correct ? | 13:08 |
| mr_german | zOnny, well.. let me see | 13:08 |
| zOnny | sure , mr_german | 13:09 |
| mr_german | zOnny, this document is just for helios | 13:10 |
| mr_german | witout aea theme | 13:11 |
| zOnny | uhhhmm but having this integration helios will need the same theming correct ? | 13:12 |
| mr_german | aea theming? | 13:13 |
| zOnny | yes mr_german | 13:14 |
| zOnny | because I didn't start theming helios yet mr_german | 13:15 |
| mr_german | this is helios witout theming just the default theme | 13:15 |
| mr_german | zOnny, do you need this for aea | 13:16 |
| mr_german | ? | 13:16 |
| zOnny | that is what I need mr_german | 13:16 |
| mr_german | oh | 13:16 |
| mr_german | well, this the doc that you need | 13:16 |
| mr_german | but | 13:16 |
| zOnny | I NEED TO EXPLORE Helios TEMPLATES :( | 13:16 |
| mr_german | did you follow the steps in the doc | 13:17 |
| mr_german | ? | 13:17 |
| zOnny | the Doc ? mr_german | 13:19 |
| mr_german | "Helios Set Up" | 13:19 |
| zOnny | I have completed that part mr_german | 13:20 |
| mr_german | zOnny, ok | 13:21 |
| mr_german | and everything works ? | 13:21 |
| zOnny | yep mr_german | 13:21 |
| mr_german | ok | 13:21 |
| mr_german | zOnny, so now do want to start your own theming? | 13:22 |
| zOnny | exactly mr_german | 13:23 |
| zOnny | where should I put my custom.css mr_german | 13:24 |
| zOnny | it is required to create a new dir named shared ? mr_german | 13:25 |
| mr_german | yep | 13:25 |
| mr_german | zOnny, check this | 13:25 |
| mr_german | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/helios-aea | 13:25 |
| mr_german | as you can see there | 13:25 |
| mr_german | there's a folder called "shared" | 13:25 |
| mr_german | everything is there | 13:25 |
| mr_german | *your custom css,js, media" | 13:26 |
| mr_german | zOnny, in the main dir you'll need to change urls.py | 13:29 |
| mr_german | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/helios-aea/blob/master/urls.py | 13:29 |
| mr_german | change line #18 and add #20 | 13:29 |
| zOnny | ahh | 13:32 |
| zOnny | mr_german: what did you change there ? | 13:36 |
| mr_german | urls.py? | 13:36 |
| mr_german | zz | 13:37 |
| mr_german | zOnny, * | 13:37 |
| zOnny | ahh I see | 13:37 |
| zOnny | you add the line #20 mr_german | 13:38 |
| mr_german | yep | 13:38 |
| zOnny | *added | 13:38 |
| zOnny | I got it | 13:38 |
| zOnny | it will overried the helios theming ? mr_german | 13:39 |
| mr_german | your will be able to use "{% stactic 'css/custom.css'%}" in the base.html | 13:40 |
| mr_german | custom.css that it would be in the "shared" folder | 13:40 |
| mr_german | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/helios-aea/blob/master/server_ui/templates/base.html | 13:41 |
| mr_german | I used "/static/css/globalcss/" but Douglas recommended me to use jinja | 13:41 |
| mr_german | this like tendenci theme | 13:42 |
| mr_german | kind of | 13:42 |
| zOnny | ahh | 13:42 |
| zOnny | But it can be done without using jinja ? mr_german | 13:44 |
| mr_german | yes, as you can see there | 13:44 |
| zOnny | right | 13:44 |
| mr_german | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/helios-aea/blob/master/server_ui/templates/base.html | 13:44 |
| mr_german | check line 9 to 12 | 13:44 |
| mr_german | that's why we change urls.py | 13:45 |
| mr_german | ;) | 13:45 |
| zOnny | uuhmmmm I can see global.css but the others are from Helios correct ? | 13:46 |
| zOnny | boot.css , boothmobile.css are already in Helios mr_german | 13:46 |
| zOnny | *booth.css | 13:47 |
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| mr_german | zOnny, no | 13:49 |
| mr_german | zOnny, it is my personal css | 13:49 |
| mr_german | but separated in parts | 13:49 |
| zOnny | ahhh I understand | 13:49 |
| mr_german | zOnny, because you'll need css | 13:49 |
| mr_german | for the booth part | 13:49 |
| mr_german | server_ui and heliosbooth | 13:50 |
| mr_german | folders | 13:50 |
| zOnny | because I saw the same .css in different helios directories | 13:51 |
| mr_german | yep | 13:52 |
| mr_german | I take "selectors" from the others css | 13:52 |
| mr_german | the default css from helios | 13:52 |
| mr_german | took* | 13:53 |
| mr_german | and then I created my theme zOnny | 13:53 |
| zOnny | so you didn't delete the anything in the templates mr_german | 13:57 |
| mr_german | a few things | 13:57 |
| mr_german | zOnny, | 13:58 |
| zOnny | I am going to test this mr_german | 13:59 |
| mr_german | zOnny, sure, if you get stuck i'll be around | 13:59 |
| zOnny | thanks man , I really appreciate your help | 14:01 |
| mr_german | zOnny, you're welcome edzon | 14:01 |
| mr_german | :-) | 14:01 |
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| jelkner | good afternoon, zOnny | 14:03 |
| jelkner | and mr_german | 14:03 |
| jelkner | and mjsir911 | 14:03 |
| jelkner | replaceafill is not around? | 14:03 |
| mr_german | good afternoon jelkner | 14:03 |
| mr_german | jelkner, no | 14:03 |
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| mr_german | jelkner, he left after the meeting | 14:03 |
| mr_german | jelkner, I can call him for you? | 14:04 |
| jelkner | no, that's ok | 14:04 |
| jelkner | i'll look for him later | 14:04 |
| mr_german | ok | 14:05 |
| jelkner | i just got home | 14:05 |
| jelkner | i was rushing because he wanted me to test nea tendenci features | 14:05 |
| jelkner | i'll get to that this evening | 14:05 |
| mr_german | oh, I see | 14:05 |
| mr_german | but, he'll back | 14:05 |
| jelkner | cool | 14:06 |
| jelkner | i need to logout, configure hexchat, and log back in | 14:07 |
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| zOnny | mr_german: can we hang out ? | 14:10 |
| mr_german | zOnny, wait give me a sec | 14:10 |
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| mr_german | zOnny, ready! | 14:12 |
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| zOnny | ready mr_german | 14:12 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, tried phoning you at home. Got voice mail... | 14:12 |
| mr_german | zOnny, *calling* | 14:12 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Flint is off playing music and it was suggested I call him "early evening". Allie expressed "reservations" to put it gently. | 14:13 |
| jelkner | roxana is on the phone | 14:14 |
| jelkner | can we talk when she gets off? | 14:14 |
| jelkner | if there is a phone with a conference feature | 14:14 |
| jelkner | i'd like to talk to the 3 of you | 14:14 |
| ubuntourist | Ah. Posolutely, absitively. | 14:15 |
| jelkner | zOnny, lelkneralfaro, and ubuntourist | 14:15 |
| jelkner | if you send me the number i can call | 14:15 |
| ubuntourist | We'd be on my computer. Conference phone internet currently being used by router. | 14:15 |
| jelkner | or i can ping you here as soon as my phone is available | 14:15 |
| jelkner | so what would you suggest? | 14:15 |
| jelkner | you would call me from your computer? | 14:16 |
| ubuntourist | lelkneralfaro stepped out for a minute or two, and I'm going to visit the little consultant's room. Back shortly. Ping us and I'll call via hangups. | 14:16 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 14:17 |
| ubuntourist | s/hangups/hangouts/ | 14:17 |
| jelkner | can i call a number? | 14:28 |
| jelkner | i'm in the middle of updating to 18.04 | 14:28 |
| jelkner | don't have hangouts and such available | 14:28 |
| jelkner | i can call louie | 14:29 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, that is | 14:29 |
| jelkner | he has a phone | 14:29 |
| jelkner | if he can put it on speaker | 14:29 |
| ubuntourist | Sorry. was talking. lelkneralfaro is still on the phone as is zOnny | 14:34 |
| ubuntourist | zOnny said he'd quit when the call with you starts. I'll chase down lelkneralfaro and let him know you're ready. | 14:34 |
| ubuntourist | found him. he says "just a sec." So, he's wrapping up his call. | 14:36 |
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| lelkneralfaro | I'm back. sorry about that | 14:38 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, call lelkneralfaro | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, are you around? | 14:44 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, he's in a meeting | 14:44 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok, thanks | 14:44 |
| mr_german | I was helping him with helios | 14:44 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, zOnny jelkner lelkneralfaro and I are on a conference voice call. | 14:44 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, cool, thanks | 14:45 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, talking about the Flint tendenci site w/ zOnny and Flint's nephew. | 14:45 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, +1 | 14:45 |
| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | hey zOnny | 14:55 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you done with your meeting? | 14:55 |
| zOnny | yep replaceafill | 14:55 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ok, give me a minute | 14:55 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, it seems like you need help with helios | 14:55 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, give me a minute to finish what i'm doing | 14:56 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i'll ping you shortly | 14:56 |
| zOnny | sure , replaceafill | 14:56 |
| mr_german | zOnny, I think you'll work with replaceafill now ;) | 14:57 |
| zOnny | I seems like that mr_german | 14:58 |
| zOnny | but I really appreciate your help | 14:58 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ok done | 14:58 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so, you have a helios-server checkout, right? | 14:59 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, with the replaceafill/helios_tendenci branch | 14:59 |
| mr_german | zOnny, you're welcome ;) | 14:59 |
| zOnny | good to know that I can count with you once I don't know what to do :( | 14:59 |
| zOnny | mr_german: | 14:59 |
| zOnny | yep replaceafill | 14:59 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what i asked you to do was "change the layout by modifying helios css/templates" | 14:59 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that's it | 14:59 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you don't need to do anything else other than what you started doing with tendenci | 15:00 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, at the beginning | 15:00 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, remembers, you first checked the url you were at | 15:00 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, then you looked at the urls | 15:00 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, then you got to a function | 15:00 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and from there to the templates involved | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, remember? | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i think we even have that documented for tendenci somewhere... | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i noticed you asked mr_german about how he themed helios on the january pilot | 15:01 |
| zOnny | yeah replaceafill | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but we're not doing that anymore | 15:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so don't try finding how we used to do it | 15:02 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, all i care right now for your helios experience is: | 15:02 |
| replaceafill | 1. get to know what views are involved, again, EXACTLY the same process you've used for tendenci | 15:02 |
| replaceafill | 2. think of ways to improve the ui/navigation of helios | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | have you seen all those "back to election" links | 15:03 |
| zOnny | yep replaceafill | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | have you seen that there's no way for a user to see what elections are "open" | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | which ones they can participate on | 15:03 |
| zOnny | correct replaceafill | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that's what i really want you to do | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, helios workflow as it is doesn't work for us | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if you ask jelkner he will want the process to be fast | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, users don't need to be filling "start/end" date times | 15:05 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that should be considered an "advanced" feature | 15:05 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so try hiding that in the form | 15:05 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, or setting a "advanced" form fieldset with those fields | 15:05 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i made the mistake of telling you "try to make it look like AEA" | 15:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, don't | 15:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what i meant was "learn how to change the font sizes" | 15:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, background colors | 15:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, put an image here and there | 15:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and again, that's only an exercise | 15:06 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, we're probably not going to use any of that | 15:07 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but again, i want you to be as familiar with helios as you are now with tendenci | 15:07 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, makes sense? | 15:07 |
| zOnny | ok replaceafill | 15:07 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, do you have any questions? | 15:08 |
| zOnny | Is there a helios github somewhere ? replaceafill | 15:09 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what do you want to do? | 15:10 |
| zOnny | I want to use it as a tools to see what I need to change replaceafill | 15:12 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, for browsing the code? | 15:12 |
| zOnny | yep replaceafill | 15:12 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, this is the ****UPSTREAM***** (that's what we should be calling those) repo: https://github.com/benadida/helios-server/ | 15:13 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and this is our fork in gitlab https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/helios-server | 15:13 |
| zOnny | thanks replaceafill | 15:13 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, they're currently synced | 15:13 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, upstream doesn't change frequently | 15:13 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, is there anything else you need? | 15:14 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i wonder if we could create a workflow like | 15:14 |
| zOnny | that is what we were doing with mr_german replaceafill | 15:15 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, new election form with just a name, with all the other fields hidden in an advanced fieldset | 15:15 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, doing what? | 15:16 |
| zOnny | changing the helios' theming replaceafill | 15:16 |
| zOnny | *theme | 15:16 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you're not chaning a "theme" really | 15:16 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you're just modifying the checkout, right? | 15:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, or if you want to be organized working on a new branch | 15:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but yes, that's a good exercise i think | 15:17 |
| zOnny | ok replaceafill | 15:18 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so, add form -> add question | 15:18 |
| zOnny | you mean that helios and tendenci will be designed independently correct ? | 15:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, no | 15:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, don't worry about that at this point! | 15:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, again, you're not doing this for the future | 15:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you're doing this to get familiar with helios | 15:19 |
| zOnny | ahh | 15:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, remember what you did for... | 15:20 |
| replaceafill | novalaciro! | 15:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, the first theme you designed | 15:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, where is it right now? | 15:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, retired/abandoned | 15:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, right? | 15:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, why | 15:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, we use a better alternative | 15:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, right? | 15:20 |
| zOnny | that is good question replaceafill | 15:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, this is going to be the same case | 15:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, don't think of this as something in stone | 15:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, "oh, i have to do this perfect" | 15:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, no! | 15:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, think of "how can i make this thing more user friendly?" | 15:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, "how can i make navigation easier" | 15:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, "are these steps really necessary" | 15:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that's what theming is about | 15:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, does this make any sense at all? | 15:22 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i think i'm not being able to "transmit?" my message | 15:22 |
| replaceafill | :) | 15:22 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, oh | 15:23 |
| zOnny | uuhhmmm | 15:23 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, one thing i've thought about for example | 15:23 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, when you create the election | 15:24 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you assign a name for it, right? | 15:24 |
| zOnny | correct replaceafill | 15:24 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, why can't you set the group you want able to be voting in that same screen | 15:24 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that seems a bit logical | 15:24 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but i'm not sure of the UI implications at this point | 15:24 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, remember, that dropdown i showed you when we worked in the integration | 15:24 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, with the tendenci groups | 15:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so you're really asking the admin user "give me a name for your election and which people can vote in it" | 15:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and you can get rid of the "voters and ballots" in the initial workflow | 15:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i'm you'll have better ideas than me in this regard | 15:26 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that's why i'm pushing so hard on this | 15:26 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, anyway, that's all i have | 15:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, are you around? | 15:27 |
| zOnny | ok replaceafill | 15:27 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, oops i meant: "i'm sure you'll have better ideas" | 15:28 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i'm hungry so i'm eating words now :D | 15:28 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, why does freezing ballots need so many clicks? | 15:29 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, can we do it automatically? | 15:29 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and so on | 15:29 |
| replaceafill | ok, jelkner is probably away | 15:30 |
| replaceafill | ACTION goes to get lunch | 15:30 |
| jelkner | i'm here, replaceafill | 15:31 |
| jelkner | but i was distracted | 15:31 |
| jelkner | computer troubles | 15:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh hey man | 15:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah | 15:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you're upgrading, right? | 15:31 |
| jelkner | i'm fixing them | 15:31 |
| jelkner | yes | 15:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i downloaded it yesterday | 15:31 |
| jelkner | versionitis strikes again! ;=) | 15:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, plan to install it in my old laptop first | 15:31 |
| jelkner | it's working great | 15:31 |
| jelkner | but i have soooo much data | 15:31 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm not sure how far we'll get this last month | 15:32 |
| jelkner | i'm replacing pop os with ubuntu | 15:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but we need to figure out if our things run in 18.04 | 15:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we need to at least test | 15:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah | 15:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, pop os is system76 right? | 15:32 |
| jelkner | yes | 15:32 |
| jelkner | the system76 people got pissed at canonical for abandoning unity | 15:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah! that's the reason? | 15:33 |
| jelkner | so they went off and did their own remix | 15:33 |
| jelkner | yes, if you look around the net, you can see evidence of their anger | 15:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, heh | 15:33 |
| jelkner | but anyway, it is *a lot* of work maintaining a distro | 15:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i remember how i used to hate ubuntu... and here we are... | 15:33 |
| jelkner | so while i thought is looked nice, the upgrade process was completely messed up | 15:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ouch | 15:34 |
| jelkner | so i am replacing pop os 17.10 with ubuntu 18.04 | 15:34 |
| jelkner | that's what is taking me some time | 15:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i've been reading marius (from pov) upgrade tweets | 15:34 |
| jelkner | i'm almost finished | 15:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's never straightforward it seems | 15:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 15:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i just wanted to know if you need anything from me | 15:35 |
| jelkner | well my ubuntu machines updated without incident as usual | 15:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, regarding AEA testing | 15:35 |
| jelkner | i need to do that | 15:35 |
| jelkner | what is your schedule today | 15:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i don't have any | 15:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but i'm about disconnect for a couple of hours to go get lunch with the family | 15:35 |
| jelkner | i'd like to hangout, but i don't have chrome installed yet, etc. | 15:35 |
| jelkner | perfect | 15:36 |
| jelkner | can we set a time? | 15:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 15:36 |
| jelkner | i'm flexible | 15:36 |
| jelkner | you choose | 15:36 |
| jelkner | ACTION waits for replaceafill to choose | 15:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, 6? | 15:37 |
| jelkner | so he can get back to his install ;-) | 15:37 |
| jelkner | perfect! | 15:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool, i'll be back at 6 then | 15:37 |
| jelkner | 2 1/2 hours from now | 15:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, thanks! | 15:37 |
| jelkner | later gater | 15:37 |
| jelkner | i'll be ready by then | 15:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, famous last words ;) | 15:37 |
| replaceafill | ttyl | 15:37 |
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| jelkner | apologies for being late, replaceafill | 18:08 |
| replaceafill | hello jelkner | 18:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, np, i was late too :) | 18:09 |
| jelkner | i was on the phone with paul flint | 18:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah | 18:09 |
| jelkner | let's see if hangouts works on this newly installed computer | 18:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 18:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm ready | 18:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i can't hear you | 18:10 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, can you hear me? | 18:10 |
| jelkner | hold on | 18:10 |
| jelkner | give me a minute | 18:10 |
| jelkner | sorry | 18:10 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, np | 18:10 |
| jelkner | the webcam mic seems not to work | 18:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah | 18:12 |
| jelkner | i'm going to try a different mic | 18:12 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 18:12 |
| jelkner | you're not answering this time | 18:15 |
| jelkner | re | 18:15 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, | 18:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, haven't received a call | 18:15 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let me call you | 18:15 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, r u here? | 20:14 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the evening | 20:14 |
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