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| Dany | buenos dis | 11:11 |
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| Dany | dias** | 11:11 |
| Dany | replaceafill, hola | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | hola Dany | 11:48 |
| replaceafill | Dany, como te ha ido con el correo? | 11:49 |
| replaceafill | Dany, algun problema que hayas notado? | 11:49 |
| Dany | replaceafill, fuenciona de maravilla en la tableta...pero no he dado con el chiste de comoabrirlo en el cel o la compu :P | 11:49 |
| replaceafill | Dany, :( | 11:49 |
| Dany | replaceafill, lo estoy haciendo mal, aunque tengia una duda, no es posible vincular la cuenta con un correo de gmail? | 11:52 |
| replaceafill | Dany, vincular? | 11:53 |
| Dany | replaceafill, si, que lleguen los correos a gmail, como lo tenia al comienzo con el normal, solo lo estaba pensando como un plan B | 11:54 |
| replaceafill | Dany, nuestro problema es que tendenci necesita poder enviar correos | 11:54 |
| replaceafill | Dany, en el pasado cuando lo tenias "vinculado" con tu gmail | 11:55 |
| replaceafill | Dany, tendenci aun no tenia esa funcionalidad | 11:55 |
| Dany | replaceafill, ya veo | 11:55 |
| replaceafill | Dany, Jeff pidió algo similar hace poco para nea4or.us | 11:55 |
| replaceafill | Dany, y es el mismo problema | 11:55 |
| replaceafill | Dany, a menos que tendenci use un subdominio | 11:56 |
| replaceafill | Dany, para enviar sus correos | 11:56 |
| Dany | replaceafill, y con outlook no tendremos ese problema? | 11:56 |
| replaceafill | Dany, como creo que ya viste, el problema de tu acceso son ciertos dispositivos | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | Dany, pero estar depurando/averiguando cual es el problema en sí es lo complicado | 11:57 |
| Dany | replaceafill, bueno gran parte es porque no supe como configurarlo | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | Dany, talvez outlook funcione en tu celular y no en tu laptop | 11:58 |
| replaceafill | Dany, o viceversa | 11:58 |
| Dany | replaceafill, si funciona en mi cel es mas que suficiente | 11:58 |
| replaceafill | Dany, que programa usas en la tablet_ | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | Dany, que decis que sí te funciona | 11:59 |
| Dany | replaceafill, es una apple | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | Dany, ah | 12:00 |
| Dany | replaceafill, ? | 12:01 |
| replaceafill | Dany, o sea en la tablet apple sí podés acceder a tu correo de novalaciro? | 12:02 |
| Dany | replaceafill, si, funciona perfectamente | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | Dany, este es uno de los casos mas confusos de configuracion de software que he visto :S | 12:06 |
| Dany | replaceafill, tan raro es que funcione en apple? | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | Dany, no, tan raro es que no te funcione en los demas dispositivos | 12:07 |
| replaceafill | Dany, tenes tiempo mañana a las 11 am para hablar sobre los issues de novalaciro? | 12:08 |
| replaceafill | Dany, ya traduje los formularios | 12:09 |
| replaceafill | Dany, no te digo que los revisemos ahorita porque tendré una reunión | 12:09 |
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| Dany | replaceafill, hmm no creo, tal vez mas tarde si te parece bien, tengo una reunion en la manana y no se cuanto tarde | 12:13 |
| Dany | replaceafill, https://imgur.com/a/BFlYCRA te dejo la imagen de lo que me dice cuando trato de ponerlo en el cel | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | Dany, cambia smtp.novalaciro.org:25 por mail.novalaciro.org:25 | 12:15 |
| replaceafill | Dany, el nombre de usuario y la contraseña son las mismas del documento de google | 12:15 |
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| Dany | replaceafill, ok voy a tratar | 12:25 |
| replaceafill | Dany, entendido | 12:26 |
| replaceafill | Dany, entonces mañana por la tarde revisamos los issues, correcto? | 12:26 |
| Dany | replaceafill, perfecto | 12:29 |
| Dany | replaceafill, si, en la tarde me parece bien | 12:29 |
| replaceafill | Dany, entendido, gracias | 12:29 |
| Dany | replaceafill, np | 12:29 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, could we meet at 2pm? I need to show my progress | 12:55 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i can't today at 2pm | 12:56 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, tomorrow at 10 am? | 12:56 |
| mr_german | sure, I have your idea almost complete | 12:58 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, i hope it works x) | 12:58 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool | 12:58 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, make sure the layout works on mobile | 12:59 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, even in the test site? | 13:02 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, in a meeting | 13:02 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, can't talk | 13:02 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i'm back | 13:12 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i mean | 13:12 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you're designing, right? | 13:12 |
| mr_german | no yet | 13:13 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you're not coding much (hopefully) | 13:13 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, designing is not coding... | 13:13 |
| mr_german | Im coding | 13:13 |
| mr_german | my testing | 13:13 |
| mr_german | page | 13:13 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes, that's designing | 13:13 |
| mr_german | well, yes. | 13:14 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you don't care yet how we're going to integrate your work into helios | 13:14 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, anyway | 13:14 |
| mr_german | well | 13:14 |
| mr_german | its BS | 13:14 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, for all the elements you're considering using | 13:14 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, consider how they should look in both desktop and mobile layouts | 13:15 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, the typical "on desktop this will show here, but on mobile we'll move it here" scenario | 13:15 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, we want to make the mobile workflow very fast | 13:15 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i sent you an email about your hours for June | 13:16 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, please reply to that asap so we can pay you and nrcerna | 13:16 |
| replaceafill | ACTION goes downstairs for a while | 13:21 |
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| mjsir911 | hey replaceafill, did daniela's email setup change? I'm finding its not how I left it and she is having some email troubles | 14:49 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, yes, we're now hosting it | 14:49 |
| mjsir911 | ok, does she know her email password? She isn't able to send email and I can't help because I'm not sure how it's setup | 14:50 |
| mjsir911 | and is there any reason for this? there seem to be more problems because of this | 14:50 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VINqQ3YDYSxgy1Ulb-bBJSTPYlofWvYDM7JURM-mlAE/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=111949193489489412673 | 14:51 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, it seems to be some sort of connection issue on her end | 14:51 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, *some* of her devices work | 14:51 |
| mjsir911 | she's tested her phone and from gmail and both don't work | 14:52 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, gmail won't work | 14:52 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, we don't have forward enabled | 14:52 |
| mjsir911 | it's a bit of an issue that none of the emails that she's been sending for a while are going out | 14:52 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, afaik that happened last week | 14:53 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, she then tried outlook which seemed to work | 14:53 |
| mjsir911 | why did we switch from webfaction? | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, yes | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, we need mailman | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, you can't do mailman with the webfaction setup | 14:54 |
| mjsir911 | I want to make clear that we need to be able to have reliable email setups for the simple stuff *like sending email* that would preferabbly work from anywhere | 14:55 |
| mjsir911 | I'm not sure about a fix because I haven't looked into it quickly, but daniella has had a broken email setup for a week and she hasn't known | 14:56 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, she knows | 14:56 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, we've been discussing this for almost a week now | 14:56 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, and i've been trying all sorts of things in order to reproduce the issues she reports | 14:57 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, and it *always* work for me | 14:57 |
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| Dany | replaceafill, hello | 14:57 |
| replaceafill | hello Dany | 14:57 |
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| mjsir911 | does the novalaciro serer have pop? | 15:03 |
| mjsir911 | replaceafill: | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, no, | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, just imap | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, why? do you think that'd help debugging this better? | 15:04 |
| mjsir911 | no I'm trying to set it up from scratch on a machine with just the information provided in the google doc | 15:05 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, ok | 15:05 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, "host eforward1.registrar-servers.com[162.255.118.61] said: 451-45.79.155.104 is not yet authorized to deliver mail from 451 <organizer@novalaciro.org> to <marco@sirabella.org>. Please try later" | 15:07 |
| mjsir911 | that was from gmail I think | 15:07 |
| mjsir911 | I'll try from my MUA now | 15:07 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, do you want me to create a novalaciro email account for you? | 15:08 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, thanks for helping with this btw | 15:08 |
| mjsir911 | yea | 15:08 |
| mjsir911 | I can just use hers for now | 15:08 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, cool | 15:08 |
| mjsir911 | replaceafill: I think I know what the problem is | 15:11 |
| mjsir911 | residential areas ban outbound port 25 | 15:11 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, ah | 15:11 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, that would explain why she can connect from work but not from home | 15:12 |
| mjsir911 | so depending on where daniela is (such as it works on jeff's network at the school) it will sometime work | 15:12 |
| mjsir911 | yea exactly | 15:12 |
| mjsir911 | although that doesn't explain gmail | 15:12 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, what do you mean? | 15:12 |
| mjsir911 | using smtp on gmail the message is going thru to the mail server, i'm not sure what the 'is not yet authorized' means, but is not that important right now | 15:13 |
| mjsir911 | could you set up postfix/dovecot to work on a different port? | 15:13 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, using the same set up? | 15:14 |
| mjsir911 | port 587? | 15:14 |
| mjsir911 | I believe so... 587 is for smtp over TLS | 15:14 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, https://www.faqforge.com/linux/how-to-enable-port-587-submission-in-postfix/ | 15:16 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i'll try that ^ | 15:16 |
| mjsir911 | Yea I think thats right | 15:16 |
| Dany | replaceafill, so I'm confusing right now, if someone send a email to daniela@novalaciro.org, am I going to get it in the organizer@novalaciro.org? | 15:16 |
| replaceafill | Dany, yes | 15:17 |
| replaceafill | Dany, daniela@ is an alias for organizer@ at this point | 15:17 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, Dany ok, give me a minute to try this port change | 15:18 |
| mjsir911 | replaceafill: 587 should work but just to clarify: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15796530/what-is-the-difference-between-ports-465-and-587 | 15:18 |
| mjsir911 | on my personal web server I only have 465 open | 15:18 |
| mjsir911 | s/web/mail | 15:18 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, and you're using postfix? | 15:19 |
| mjsir911 | correct | 15:20 |
| mjsir911 | she's getting an error 535 connecting on port 587 | 15:20 |
| Dany | replaceafill, can you send me a email to daniela@ to see if I get it at my phone please? | 15:21 |
| mjsir911 | confirmed: she is recieving email successfuly | 15:23 |
| mjsir911 | at daniela@ at least | 15:23 |
| mjsir911 | (I suspect organizer@ works as well) | 15:23 |
| mjsir911 | OK so it does work from her phone replaceafill | 15:25 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, :/ | 15:25 |
| mjsir911 | probably port 25 is unblocked | 15:25 |
| mjsir911 | my bad I thought she sent something earlier that didn't work | 15:25 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, for the record we are using both smtp and submission | 15:26 |
| Dany | replaceafill, ok it's working at my phone and that is enough for me | 15:26 |
| mjsir911 | that is correct | 15:26 |
| mjsir911 | on my personal machine program named `master` is running on both ports 25 & 465 | 15:27 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i can add your key to the novalaciro server if you want to take a look | 15:27 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i'd appreciate if you have the time | 15:27 |
| mjsir911 | yea that would be good | 15:27 |
| mjsir911 | you have my key? | 15:27 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, getting it from gitlab? | 15:28 |
| mjsir911 | um let me give you my novawebdeve key | 15:28 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, ok | 15:28 |
| mjsir911 | ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQCzBf74PnLgAyeL7vVb3vZlXjcKgfONhKthQTAgecg2eUMJTO37zQ2amfmX7ohOBanPio+GLT8yWIsac3blPAjXEpyQ90xgb56I7hsNdfooeWmO8rsMkDagGKHWFPkptuYOI9a6vHU0wp+U7ylLONbFGUbHNMLELfC0DYX7xIuk/C8YyA6v7oIejAmZXrZGkQZvl/kUdcS1oBtYwSaw4/UiYocCfe4aSJ2cocu9NqM/WDKXrcxelE7Q8pWRMXm+RQgKdzlIDqG2nZlPJ3DCtJnuamEELUzRoysWWBie+FWNV8aRI+9jWarMe9aFrkziaWgeSJXBosrlKaK+xG8mmi7t | 15:28 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, key added for user 'ams' | 15:29 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, let me know if you can get it | 15:30 |
| replaceafill | s/it/in :) | 15:30 |
| mjsir911 | yea works | 15:31 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, cool | 15:31 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, verbose debugging is enabled | 15:31 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, so you'll see a lot of output in mail.log | 15:31 |
| mjsir911 | thanks | 15:32 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, if we disable port 25 we'll need to adjust tendenci and mailman | 15:32 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, django is using port 25 atm | 15:33 |
| mjsir911 | ok so I just enabled port 465 and gmail authenticated, she's trying to send email now | 15:33 |
| mjsir911 | I think its fine to keep two ports open? | 15:33 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i don't have a problem with that | 15:33 |
| mjsir911 | and she can send email from gmail now | 15:33 |
| mjsir911 | port 465 was what worked, I'm not sure what you changed with submission but can you undo that? | 15:34 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, so smtps is better than submission? | 15:36 |
| mjsir911 | smtps *works*, I'm sure if I tinkered with submission I could get it working, but smtps works out of the box | 15:37 |
| mjsir911 | I think it's using SSL as opposed to TLS though | 15:37 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, any change we decide should be permanent, should land here: https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/ansible-roles/tree/master/roles/postfix | 15:38 |
| mjsir911 | right, I'll add that | 15:39 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, so we have 25, 465 and 587 open at the moment? | 15:39 |
| mjsir911 | correct, and I think 587 is unneccesary | 15:40 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, but i doesn't hurt to leave open, right? | 15:41 |
| mjsir911 | I don't think it hurts anything but I still think it would be best to not have it until we need it | 15:41 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, well other than the "residential issue" it's been working fine | 15:42 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, can you explain the gmail issue? | 15:42 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i didn't get that | 15:42 |
| mjsir911 | I have no idea | 15:42 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, why gmail works with 465 | 15:42 |
| mjsir911 | no idea at all | 15:43 |
| mjsir911 | I think I already wrestled with this on my own time a while ago with my personal mail server, and settled with 465 | 15:43 |
| mjsir911 | I'm testing it in thunderird atm on Dany's computer | 15:44 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, cool | 15:44 |
| mjsir911 | whats ssl/tls vs starttls? | 15:44 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/edition5.html#conf_encryption | 15:46 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, as i understand it, a way to support old clients | 15:46 |
| mjsir911 | huh, the public library bans outbound 465 as well... | 15:53 |
| mjsir911 | or at least I can telnet to mail.novalaciro.org 465 from my home server but not from my machine | 15:54 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, ah | 15:54 |
| mjsir911 | but I can telnet to portquiz.net over 465... | 15:55 |
| mjsir911 | is there a firewall on novalaciro? | 15:55 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, no, only fail2ban | 15:56 |
| mjsir911 | huh | 15:58 |
| mjsir911 | well atm she can recieve on thunderbird and send from gmail | 15:58 |
| mjsir911 | it's not perfect, but it works | 15:58 |
| mjsir911 | and both from her phone | 15:58 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, before i let you go :) | 15:58 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, do you know what needs to be changed in postfix | 15:59 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, so we can allow Daniela to send/receive in gmail? | 15:59 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i assume we have send from gmail now | 15:59 |
| mjsir911 | ok so idk about recieving (she needs POP3 support for that) in gmail, but for send... | 15:59 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, ah ok | 16:00 |
| mjsir911 | in master.cf, I uncommented lines 28-38 | 16:00 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, sure, i noticed | 16:00 |
| mjsir911 | but I think only line 28 is absolutely necessary, the rest just make logging easier | 16:00 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i was thinking we need some way to forward from postfix to a gmail account | 16:01 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, instead of using pop from gmail | 16:01 |
| mjsir911 | hmmm, I'm not sure if forwarding is the way to go because that requires intervention by a sysadmin every time a client wants to change the forwarded address | 16:02 |
| mjsir911 | I would opt for both IMAP & POP and just have directions for both so anyone can change anything without having us reconfigure anything | 16:03 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, ok | 16:04 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i hate having to support email... | 16:04 |
| replaceafill | :) | 16:04 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, thanks for you help! | 16:04 |
| mjsir911 | yea no problem, sorry I can't contribute much to the ansible configuration (couldn't find master.cf) | 16:04 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, oh, it's all postconf calls | 16:05 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, hold on | 16:06 |
| replaceafill | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/ansible-roles/blob/master/roles/postfix/tasks/main.yml#L92-97 | 16:06 |
| replaceafill | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/ansible-roles/blob/master/roles/postfix/defaults/main.yml#L32-46 | 16:06 |
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| zOnny | Hello nathan | 16:44 |
| nathan | hey edzon | 16:44 |
| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 16:45 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: busy ? | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | hey zOnny | 16:51 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I have nathan with me right now | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | ah | 16:51 |
| replaceafill | hello nathan | 16:52 |
| nathan | hi | 16:52 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I just explained him about what he needs to do | 16:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, cool | 16:53 |
| replaceafill | do you have any questions nathan? | 16:54 |
| nathan | replaceafill: what should I start with? | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | nathan, i think you should get in touch with mjsir911 | 16:55 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: mjsir911 was here with him | 16:55 |
| replaceafill | nathan, afaik you're going to work with him developing a web app | 16:55 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: mjsir911 requested him make little fixes with his bikeshare app | 16:57 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: to be familiar with | 16:57 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ah ok | 16:57 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: my question so far is | 16:58 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: should I help him set tendenci up | 16:58 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: Does Nathan will be working in one of our projects? | 16:59 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you can ask jelkner but my understanding is that nathan is going to work on a web app to make voting easier | 17:00 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and by "make voting easier" i mean access tendenci+helios | 17:00 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I understood the same | 17:00 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if nathan is just getting started with web applications you have time to confirm with jelkner | 17:00 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, nathan so let me know if you need my help | 17:02 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: you mean he should start learning how web apps works? | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, +1 | 17:12 |
| zOnny | replaceafill:we have already created his gitlab account | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, cool | 17:17 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: by saying tendenci + helios | 17:17 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: should he have tendenci in his local machine ? | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, not yet | 17:19 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, that set up is too complicated at the moment | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i'm working with mr_german to simplify it | 17:19 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: cool | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, hopefully i'll have some news about later this week | 17:20 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: good to know that | 17:27 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, we plan to enable helios for our instance this week, so get ready to start voting ;) | 17:28 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: that will be a big step | 17:29 |
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