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| jelkner | good morning hrodriguez! | 10:39 |
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| hrodriguez | Hi jelkner | 10:39 |
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| jelkner | hrodriguez, you're coming with us tomorrow, yes? | 11:03 |
| jelkner | good morning, lelkneralfaro | 11:03 |
| jelkner | btw | 11:03 |
| jelkner | mjsir911, are you coming in today? | 11:03 |
| jelkner | nathan could use your help | 11:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, good morning | 11:04 |
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| hrodriguez | yes, I will be there tomorrow jelkner | 11:08 |
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| jelkner | good morning, replaceafill | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | good morning jelkner | 11:25 |
| jelkner | just sent an email to laura larco | 11:25 |
| jelkner | she couldn't register with our website from her phone | 11:26 |
| jelkner | she plans to try again from peru | 11:26 |
| jelkner | i'll make phone calls this weekend to try to get two more folks to vote | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, any reason why she couldn't? | 11:27 |
| jelkner | i don't know | 11:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 11:27 |
| jelkner | but you can ask her (in spanish, her first language ;-) | 11:27 |
| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 11:35 |
| replaceafill | hey zOnny | 11:35 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: new tendenci installation is confuse | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, which part? | 11:36 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: the /conf/settings.py | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, why? | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i find it simpler :) | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, when did you get the Oops page? | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, on requesting your password reset? | 11:38 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I will try again | 11:40 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: one question | 11:40 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: should I make the installation in the /srv ? | 11:41 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: or it doesn't matter at all | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, +1 | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, it doesn't matter really | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, it's just a venv | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but i'd recommend to try to stay as close to the docs as possible | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, at least until we get more familiar with 11 | 11:42 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I think that is why didn't work well | 11:43 |
| zOnny | I will follow the Docs so | 11:43 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if you have tracebacks paste them so i can help | 11:43 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 11:44 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah found your oops in the logs | 11:44 |
| jelkner | what went wrong? | 11:45 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, looks like a bug: | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | django.urls.exceptions.NoReverseMatch: Reverse for 'auth_password_reset_confirm' not found. 'auth_password_reset_confirm' is not a valid view function or pattern name. | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, investigating | 11:46 |
| jelkner | ok | 11:46 |
| replaceafill | you gottta love version control! https://github.com/tendenci/tendenci/commit/35a76b648350e7345456ea9c7279f78f6e2726e2 | 12:00 |
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| replaceafill | mr_german, https://new.labor4ourrev.org/ | 12:14 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, it looks really good | 12:14 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you did a great job | 12:15 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, thanks! x) | 12:15 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, as zOnny can witness, the new.labor4or is painfully slow | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yeah, i've noticed it too | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but i thought it was my connection | 12:33 |
| jelkner | no, it is happening here too | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool, will investigate | 12:34 |
| jelkner | and i'm still awaiting the email to reset my password | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, did you request it again? | 12:34 |
| jelkner | these bullets are tough to chew ;-) | 12:35 |
| jelkner | yes, i just did | 12:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i can see the email was sent 3 minutes ago | 12:35 |
| jelkner | i have a screen saying "successful" and that an email will be coming | 12:35 |
| jelkner | i didn't get it | 12:35 |
| jelkner | it may be better to use jeff.elkner@gmail.com | 12:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah ok | 12:35 |
| jelkner | so we don't have so many redirections | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let me change your email then | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, email changed, please request your password again | 12:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny it's definitely something in the theme that makes it slow | 12:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny the django admin flies | 12:42 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, https://i.imgur.com/jsWG2KM.png | 12:44 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, see the bottom list | 12:44 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, Jeff's name | 12:45 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and the NOVA logo | 12:45 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny it seems like the django templating in 1.11 is more strict than 1.8 | 12:45 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny let me know if you hit any block trying to set up tendenci 11 | 12:47 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: Oops | 12:47 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny it looks like we'll need to test/update our current themes | 12:48 |
| zOnny | I hit one already :( | 12:48 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: hwat should I start a tendenci project in /var/www ? | 12:48 |
| zOnny | *why | 12:48 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, the docs are designed for a *server* setup | 12:49 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, mjsir911 can probably tell you better reasons :) | 12:49 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but it's not mandatory | 12:49 |
| zOnny | well I didn't follow these steps yesterday | 12:49 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if you're confortable with bash | 12:50 |
| zOnny | I got Errors | 12:50 |
| zOnny | I deleted my emtire VM :( | 12:50 |
| zOnny | I am starting over again | 12:50 |
| zOnny | *entire | 12:50 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I am learning how to use "$(id -u -n)" | 12:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you can just use the username | 12:52 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: seems like jquery | 12:52 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: you mean that I don't need to use the flag -n ? | 12:53 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you don't need any of the $(...) call | 12:53 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, it'll just get you the username you're using | 12:54 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I am just doing everything as closest possible | 12:54 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, sure | 12:55 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but you need to understand the "I got Errors" won't help anyone | 12:55 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, nor "I deleted my emtire VM :(" | 12:55 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I know | 12:56 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you need to provide screenshots, pastes, URLs | 12:56 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: *zOnny is hard to understand | 12:56 |
| replaceafill | ok | 12:56 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: so far no errors yet | 12:57 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, great | 12:57 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: is it fine that I didn't get local_settings.py ? | 13:09 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, there's no local_* modules anymore in tendenci 11 | 13:09 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so yes | 13:09 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 13:09 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: should I the password generator ? | 13:10 |
| zOnny | *use | 13:10 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what for? | 13:10 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, the DATABASE configuration? | 13:10 |
| zOnny | SECRET_KEY = '' | 13:11 |
| zOnny | SITE_SETTINGS_KEY = '' | 13:11 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you can use any string you want | 13:11 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, as long as is at least 50 chars | 13:11 |
| zOnny | shoot I am memorizing | 13:11 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but stay close, right? ;) | 13:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, quick question | 13:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, yes? | 13:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, when creating a new user what is the best procedure for creating a password? | 13:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, make one for them and ask them to change it? | 13:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, or, I think i remember some email being sent out so that the user can make their own password? | 13:13 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, in the add user page, there's a checkbox " Use auto generated password" | 13:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yeah I'm seeing that | 13:14 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but that's users | 13:14 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, remember the difference between users and members? | 13:14 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, membership applications don't have that functionality (the checkbox) | 13:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yup, I'm exploring creating a user | 13:15 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but members do receive an email with the password reset automatically | 13:15 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, the welcome email | 13:15 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, when their membership is approved | 13:15 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, so in the recent case for Jeff and Luisa for LFOR | 13:16 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i just used the checkboxs in the add user page | 13:16 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and asked them to go to /login and request the reset themselves | 13:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, okay I almost understand, let me investigate the member application so I understand better | 13:17 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool | 13:17 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: quick question | 13:19 |
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| replaceafill | zOnny, yes? | 13:19 |
| zOnny | should I uncomment the DATABASES after overrinding those correct ? | 13:20 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I mean in the settings.py | 13:22 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes | 13:22 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, tendenci 11 is running =) | 13:22 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, :| | 13:22 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, great | 13:23 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, now set up the lfor theme | 13:23 |
| mr_german | same steps for the override | 13:23 |
| mr_german | ? | 13:23 |
| mr_german | of the boxs | 13:23 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes | 13:23 |
| mr_german | ok | 13:23 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, clone tendenci_overrides, add it to INSTALLED_APPS | 13:23 |
| mr_german | ok | 13:23 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, oh | 13:23 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, for installed apps you'll want | 13:23 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, INSTALLED_APPS = ['tendenci_overrides'] + INSTALLED_APPS | 13:24 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, to clarify, a member is a user with more permissions correct? | 13:30 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/ZlYybUGjMkW2coXGr9aI/ | 13:30 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, a member is a user with a membership :) | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, you can turn any user into a member | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, any existing user | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but you can't create a member (or membership) without a user attached | 13:32 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, https://tendenci.readthedocs.io/en/latest/installation/installation.html#tendenci-installation | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, sudo mkdir /var/log/tendenci | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, sudo chown "$(id -u -n)": /var/log/tendenci/ | 13:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, did you created that directory? ^ | 13:34 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, lol, yes that's how I understood it. and then members and users can be differentiated to have different privileges? | 13:34 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, correct | 13:34 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 13:34 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: should I ? | 13:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, it's in the docs for a reason ;) | 13:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, alternatively you can tweak the paths in settings.py | 13:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, to an existing directory | 13:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, but -1 on that last approach | 13:35 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I tweaked it before | 13:38 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, untweak it :) | 13:40 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and create the /var/log/tendenci directory | 13:40 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, the theme runs successfully but, when I go to the homepage it says something | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, paste or screenshot? | 13:41 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, also activate settings.DEBUG = True | 13:41 |
| mr_german | debug done | 13:42 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, so you don't get "Ooops" pages | 13:42 |
| mr_german | wait | 13:42 |
| mr_german | every page works however, the homepage it says there's an error with override | 13:43 |
| mr_german | let me take | 13:43 |
| mr_german | a pic | 13:43 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok | 13:43 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, unicode? | 13:43 |
| mr_german | https://i.imgur.com/ZAx3iFS.png | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yep | 13:44 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, hold on | 13:44 |
| mr_german | https://i.imgur.com/14BJ6pE.png everything else seems to be working | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, pull tendenci_overrides | 13:46 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, now it works ;) | 13:47 |
| mr_german | look | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, /profiles should be broken for you | 13:47 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, can you confirm? | 13:47 |
| mr_german | https://i.imgur.com/W0FdFVR.png | 13:48 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, it is broken | 13:48 |
| mr_german | yes | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, right | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, let me push the theme changes | 13:48 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, give me a moment | 13:48 |
| mr_german | sure | 13:48 |
| lelkneralfaro | hrodriguez, are you around? | 13:50 |
| hrodriguez | yes, lelkneralfaro | 13:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | hrodriguez, I am trying to add you as a user on our site did you receive an email? | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, gitlab is having a hiccup: | 13:55 |
| replaceafill | remote: GitLab: API is not accessible | 13:55 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, oh | 13:56 |
| hrodriguez | lelkneralfaro, No I haven't receive an email from you | 13:57 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, merged | 13:59 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, through gitlab :S | 13:59 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, pull latest lfor_dev/lfor_prod | 13:59 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and let me know if that fixes the profile index | 14:00 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, ok, let me check | 14:01 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, yep, it works | 14:01 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool | 14:01 |
| mr_german | oh, I can see the issue | 14:01 |
| mr_german | x) | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, do you see the issue | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, excellent | 14:02 |
| mr_german | yes | 14:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | hrodriguez, okay let me look into it | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, please fix it | 14:02 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, ok | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, user creation doesn't trigger emails | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, member approval does | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but hrodriguez can go to the site and request the password reset now | 14:03 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, using that email you set | 14:03 |
| mr_german | ACTION goes to take his lunch | 14:05 |
| hrodriguez | lelkneralfaro, I'm in our website should I click on reset password? | 14:08 |
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| lelkneralfaro | hrodriguez, sorry stepped away for a sec yes | 14:19 |
| lelkneralfaro | hrodriguez, please reset password | 14:19 |
| lelkneralfaro | hrodriguez, your login is heylin.rodriguez | 14:19 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, thanks, yes I suspected that was the case | 14:19 |
| hrodriguez | ok, I will do that lelkneralfaro | 14:20 |
| lelkneralfaro | hrodriguez, +1 | 14:20 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, just fyi in password reset you use emails not usernames :) | 14:20 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, the reset email tells you your username | 14:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, ahh yes. | 14:22 |
| lelkneralfaro | hrodriguez, your email is your novaweb email | 14:22 |
| hrodriguez | got it thanks lelkneralfaro | 14:22 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, do you know what it means for a user to be active, pending or inactive? | 14:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, does it correspond to user abilities? | 14:23 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, yes those are maps with membership iirc | 14:24 |
| replaceafill | mapped* | 14:25 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but i better check | 14:25 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, can i answer that later? | 14:25 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, :) | 14:25 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, file an issue! | 14:25 |
| replaceafill | :D | 14:25 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, will do :) | 14:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I also filed an issue this morning regarding adding attachments in forums | 14:26 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ah yes, i saw it | 14:26 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i'll try to get to it asap | 14:26 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, still juggling with 11 | 14:27 |
| hrodriguez | lelkneralfaro, I think I'm done but i didn't receive the email | 14:27 |
| replaceafill | hrodriguez, i can see the email being sent 4 minutes ago | 14:28 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, i'm back from lunch | 14:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 14:28 |
| jelkner | and available to test lfor at your command | 14:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, could you try the reset password one more time? | 14:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i changed your email to your gmail | 14:29 |
| jelkner | sure | 14:29 |
| jelkner | cool | 14:29 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and i'm curious now if hrodriguez is hitting the same problem with our novawebdevelopment.org accounts not getting the email | 14:29 |
| jelkner | ask her | 14:29 |
| jelkner | she'll be with us tomorrow | 14:29 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, r u here? | 14:29 |
| hrodriguez | yes | 14:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i just told her the email was sent | 14:30 |
| jelkner | are you interested in coming to gallaudet on sunday? | 14:30 |
| jelkner | zOnny and i are meeting ubunturist there | 14:30 |
| jelkner | at the usual time | 14:30 |
| jelkner | we can ask you tomorrow | 14:30 |
| hrodriguez | of course jelkner | 14:31 |
| replaceafill | hrodriguez, jelkner could you check your spam folders in case you don't get the password reset email? | 14:31 |
| hrodriguez | replaceafill, yes the email is there | 14:32 |
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| replaceafill | hrodriguez, in spam? | 14:33 |
| hrodriguez | yes replaceafill | 14:33 |
| replaceafill | hrodriguez, ok, good to know | 14:33 |
| jelkner | hmmm, replaceafill the process worked fast this time | 14:34 |
| jelkner | but after resetting my password, it won't let me login | 14:34 |
| jelkner | i can try again | 14:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, please | 14:34 |
| jelkner | to confirm i'm typing everything correctly | 14:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 14:34 |
| hrodriguez | same to me replaceafill | 14:35 |
| Diza | Replaceafill, hi, i get a message from our president about a mistake in the traslation of the name of NOVALACIRO | 14:35 |
| replaceafill | Diza, ouch | 14:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, can I bother you for a 5 minute task? | 14:36 |
| jelkner | twice in a row | 14:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok, let me check | 14:37 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, one more thing | 14:37 |
| Diza | Replaceafill, he wants that it say “Organizacion Latina de Derechos Civiles del Norte de Virginia” | 14:37 |
| jelkner | The message "Password reset successful" is misleading | 14:38 |
| jelkner | it should say "Password reset request successful" | 14:38 |
| jelkner | or something like that | 14:38 |
| jelkner | since you haven't reset your password yet | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, can you file an issue :) | 14:38 |
| jelkner | lol | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i agree | 14:38 |
| jelkner | yes | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | Diza, makes sense | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | Diza, regarding the website, we only need to update the top banner, correct? | 14:39 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, could I bother you for help with a task. it will take 5 minutes | 14:39 |
| Diza | Replaceafill, well I would like that we update the new design of the web as well | 14:40 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, do we have a labor4or project? | 14:40 |
| jelkner | i don't see where to file the issue | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, oh | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i don't think so | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let me create it | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | Diza, what zOnny was working on? | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/lfor-ams | 14:41 |
| Diza | Replaceafill, yeah, that one | 14:42 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what's the status of that work? | 14:42 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i mean, novalaciro's theme update? | 14:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i don't see anything that would prevent you from logging in | 14:43 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, are you using firefox? | 14:47 |
| jelkner | i am using firefox | 14:49 |
| jelkner | and issue filed, replaceafill | 14:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, could you try chrome for logging in? | 14:50 |
| jelkner | ACTION goes to try chrom | 14:50 |
| jelkner | chrome | 14:50 |
| jelkner | same behavior on chrome | 14:54 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, still can't login | 14:54 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 14:54 |
| jelkner | i get "The username and/or password you specified are not correct." | 14:55 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, username being jeff.elkner correct? | 14:55 |
| jelkner | oh, i put jeff.elkner@gmail.com | 14:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :) | 14:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you don't read our emails :'( | 14:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, which we crafted so carefully | 14:56 |
| jelkner | lol | 14:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, with all our love :D | 14:56 |
| jelkner | on aea you use the email | 14:56 |
| jelkner | like i've said many times, my dear friend, i'm a good tester | 14:57 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, actually i left the usernames out of my email to Luisa on purpose | 14:57 |
| jelkner | since nothing is foolproof, since fools are so ingenious! | 14:57 |
| replaceafill | :D | 14:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, when you are through with that can I get five minutes of your time? | 14:57 |
| jelkner | i'm logged in now | 14:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, well you're a superuser in LFOR | 14:58 |
| jelkner | since i used the correct user name | 14:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you can change your own username | 14:58 |
| mr_german | ACTION is back | 14:58 |
| jelkner | hold on | 14:58 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, we want a easy to follow standard | 14:58 |
| jelkner | not choices | 14:58 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we don't have memberships defined for LFOR yet | 14:59 |
| jelkner | unless dealing with fools like me and our silly confusions is what you consider fun | 14:59 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, your account and Luisas are just user accounts | 14:59 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, not memberships | 14:59 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i know, but you were not part of any "official" workflow | 14:59 |
| jelkner | i understand, but the rule still applies | 14:59 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i mean, the creation of your account | 14:59 |
| jelkner | user: i can't remember my user name | 15:00 |
| jelkner | novawebdeve: its the email you use with the system | 15:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, novawebdeve: it's in your password reset email | 15:00 |
| jelkner | user: i can't find the password reset email | 15:01 |
| jelkner | i know, i can request another | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, egg chicken discussion :P | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, joke | 15:01 |
| jelkner | fine, let's see how it plays out in practice | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, again | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm not afraid | 15:01 |
| jelkner | we'll let the users and their questions decide | 15:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, because this is not memberships yet | 15:01 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 15:02 |
| jelkner | so what do you need from me? | 15:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, me? | 15:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, or replaceafill? | 15:02 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, | 15:02 |
| jelkner | or you | 15:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | lelkneralfaro, :'( | 15:03 |
| replaceafill | :D | 15:03 |
| jelkner | who asked me for a moment? | 15:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, me | 15:03 |
| jelkner | cool | 15:03 |
| jelkner | waz up? | 15:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, a quick 5 minute task. can you please sign into our site? | 15:03 |
| jelkner | sure | 15:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, and go to forums and post in the only forum that is there? | 15:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I want to see that other users can access it | 15:04 |
| jelkner | do i have an account? | 15:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, ask me if you have any questions getting there | 15:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I think you should, did you set one up yet? | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro oh shoot i haven't set up threaded replies in the novawebdev forums yet | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you can request a password reset in our website with your novawebdevelopment.org account | 15:05 |
| jelkner | i'm looking in my password manager | 15:05 |
| jelkner | and don't see any account info for our website, lelkneralfaro | 15:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, you haven't activated your account | 15:06 |
| jelkner | using which email, replaceafill | 15:06 |
| jelkner | ? | 15:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, novawebdevelopment email | 15:06 |
| jelkner | cool | 15:06 |
| jelkner | let me try | 15:06 |
| jelkner | that didn't work on labor4ourrev | 15:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, check your spam folder | 15:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that's where it landed for hrodriguez before | 15:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, well we can't make it easy. we need you to labor for our revolution | 15:07 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, do i need to file the same issue that i just filed for labor4ourrev on our website? | 15:07 |
| jelkner | it's the same problem | 15:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, no | 15:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's a theme issue | 15:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, not a per-project issue | 15:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we have a theme project that you can use for those situations | 15:08 |
| jelkner | there you go, straight to spam | 15:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but i usually move the issues around | 15:08 |
| jelkner | cool, i'm logged in | 15:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I haven't seen the threaded disucssions yet, is it much different than the "quote" option | 15:09 |
| jelkner | same rules | 15:09 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, yes | 15:09 |
| jelkner | user name is email without domain | 15:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, okay I'll check it when the time comes | 15:10 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, https://ourrevolutionarlington.us/forums/ | 15:10 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, lelkneralfaro i would like to start a discussion about which union to join | 15:10 |
| jelkner | next wednesday i plan to call both ue and iww | 15:10 |
| jelkner | and i'll post things like who i talk to and what they say on the forum | 15:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I'm already in the middle of investigating the iww | 15:11 |
| jelkner | cool | 15:11 |
| jelkner | you can post to the same forum | 15:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, cool set it up | 15:11 |
| jelkner | so we can all easily see what is going on | 15:11 |
| jelkner | but if replaceafill says its not ready | 15:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, do you see the forum that is already there? | 15:11 |
| jelkner | that won't work | 15:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, it is ready, just not threaded conversations | 15:11 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'd like to wait for our migrations to 11 | 15:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, jelkner correct | 15:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, ? | 15:12 |
| hrodriguez | lelkneralfaro, i create the password but it doesn't work for me | 15:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, we're migrating our site to tendenci 11 | 15:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it's currently tendenci 7 | 15:12 |
| hrodriguez | lelkneralfaro, it works now | 15:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, that's why we did LFOR first | 15:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes I understand, I'm just saying that forums do work, right? just not the threaded part | 15:13 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ah yes | 15:13 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, correct | 15:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, or would you prefer I stay away from creating forums altogether? | 15:13 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, that's fine | 15:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 15:13 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, just be aware some things are still turned off | 15:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, okay could you see the forum already there and post on it? | 15:13 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, like voting, etc | 15:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, that's alright i'm not looking to mess with that just yet | 15:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, :) | 15:14 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, zOnny we should meet next week to discuss updating our themes | 15:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, any look seeing the forum "hacking capitalis..." | 15:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, *luck | 15:15 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i can see it | 15:16 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, cool | 15:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 15:16 |
| mr_german | btw, I just fixed the problem | 15:16 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and can get the attachment | 15:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, cool. I wanted to get some practice with other users | 15:16 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, I'll push my change to the dev branch | 15:17 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, kk | 15:17 |
| jelkner | ironic, lelkneralfaro, that Hacking Capitalism: The Free and Open Source Movement isn't freely distributable | 15:17 |
| jelkner | it means the author is not one of us | 15:17 |
| jelkner | still may be an interesting read | 15:17 |
| jelkner | but from an outsiders point of view | 15:17 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro and our forum is public | 15:17 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, i'm not so sure about that | 15:17 |
| jelkner | i was going to link to the book | 15:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, jelkner yes I thought that may be an issue, should I take it out | 15:18 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro if we don't have permission, i'd recommend getting rid of the file | 15:18 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, +1 | 15:18 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, done | 15:18 |
| jelkner | but i can only find it on paid sites with drm | 15:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 15:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, deleted | 15:19 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool | 15:19 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, try the home page | 15:19 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and see the dev console | 15:19 |
| jelkner | this must be some kind of joke, or i'm missing something | 15:19 |
| jelkner | the cost on amazon is $4,147.00 for the kindle addition ;-) | 15:20 |
| replaceafill | capitalism! | 15:20 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, do open source people only publish books for free? | 15:20 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, money wise | 15:20 |
| jelkner | so here is the deal | 15:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, the author seems pretty lefty open sourcey | 15:21 |
| jelkner | it is fine to charge for free software, etc. | 15:21 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, https://i.imgur.com/K3dzZqJ.png | 15:21 |
| jelkner | but when you use drm, you are using human effort to make something less useful simply to comodify it | 15:22 |
| jelkner | digital books cost essentially nothing to redistribute | 15:22 |
| jelkner | that's the problem for capitalism | 15:22 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, oh | 15:22 |
| jelkner | how to you extract rent for something with no cost to produce | 15:22 |
| mr_german | well, the nova logo its fixed | 15:22 |
| mr_german | let me see how can i fix this | 15:23 |
| jelkner | answer: you use the power of the state to enforce rent extraction | 15:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, oh I see what you mean, it is only digitally available via nonopen avenues | 15:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, the author probably has their hands tied by the publisher and needed to make some money somehow | 15:23 |
| jelkner | +1 | 15:23 |
| jelkner | i understand | 15:24 |
| jelkner | that's the challenge | 15:24 |
| jelkner | i've thought about this alot | 15:24 |
| jelkner | how can an author, for example, make a living writing books? | 15:24 |
| jelkner | we need to socialize the cost | 15:24 |
| replaceafill | https://boingboing.net/2017/03/16/launching-with-walkaway-apr-25.html | 15:25 |
| jelkner | one idea is to do a go fund me type thing | 15:25 |
| jelkner | where authors say "i'll write y'all another book once you raise enough resources to feed me for a year while i do it" | 15:25 |
| jelkner | a sort of pay ahead kind of thing | 15:25 |
| jelkner | anyway, the other alternative is to trust people | 15:26 |
| jelkner | zOnny and i are reading what is regarded as one of the best test driven development books out there | 15:26 |
| jelkner | http://www.obeythetestinggoat.com/ | 15:27 |
| jelkner | as you can see, you can purchase a paper book, or a pdf, or simply read the book online at no cost | 15:27 |
| jelkner | i always willing pay when i don't have to | 15:27 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, it gets even more interesting when you consider text books | 15:28 |
| jelkner | which share characters with both software (they are designed to "do something") and with other books (novels, histories, etc.) | 15:28 |
| jelkner | i argue that all text books should be OER (open educational resources) | 15:29 |
| jelkner | since by making them "hackable", they better serve their purpose | 15:29 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, can I call you? | 15:29 |
| mr_german | quick call | 15:29 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, sure | 15:29 |
| jelkner | educators regularly produce classroom materials anyway | 15:29 |
| jelkner | so with a little collaboration, it is possible to produce high quality, student friendly resources that serve education | 15:30 |
| jelkner | but they don't serve capitalism | 15:30 |
| jelkner | since they aren't commodities | 15:30 |
| jelkner | they undermine it, and are definitely perceived as a threat | 15:30 |
| jelkner | by folks who think about those kinds of things | 15:31 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, have your read that book? | 15:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, only the intro and dabbled in the rest | 15:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I thing the intro at least is worth sharing | 15:32 |
| jelkner | do you have a copy i could borrow? | 15:32 |
| jelkner | i'd like to read it | 15:32 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, only the pdf | 15:32 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, i could send it to you over gmail | 15:32 |
| jelkner | that's all i need | 15:32 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, please! | 15:32 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: replaceafill busy ? | 15:35 |
| zOnny | mr_german: are you around ? | 15:39 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, back | 15:45 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, sorry i was on the phone | 15:45 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: replaceafill I already fixed | 15:47 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, do you have an instance running? | 15:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | alright I'm out for the day. thanks everyone! hit me up on email if you have any questions or requests | 15:47 |
| replaceafill | later lelkneralfaro o/ | 15:47 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, if you don't need me, i'm going to sign off, too | 15:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool, thanks for you help | 15:49 |
| jelkner | thank you! | 15:49 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: yes, I am running the base theme | 15:49 |
| jelkner | i'll be back online tomorrow at 10 am | 15:49 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 15:49 |
| replaceafill | later jelkner | 15:49 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, nice | 15:49 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, welcome to hell then! | 15:50 |
| zOnny | I am setting up the tendenci2018 | 15:50 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, LFOR is showing that we need to do a lot of updating | 15:50 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 15:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, one big problem that we have is that there's no easy way to go back to tendenci 7 | 15:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i mean, if you follow their documentation | 15:51 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: Isee | 15:51 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and that's more important to you i think | 15:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, since you're lifting most of the projects | 15:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, like Paul's | 15:52 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so tomorrow's goal should be to have 7 back | 15:53 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ok, do you need anything from me? | 15:54 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i'm about to go get lunch | 15:54 |
| replaceafill | ok | 15:57 |
| replaceafill | ACTION goes to get lunch, bb in ~1h | 15:57 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: yes | 16:00 |
| zOnny | Hello ? | 16:01 |
| zOnny | World ? o.O? | 16:01 |
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