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| mr_german | replaceafill, ready? or you're busy' | 13:02 |
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| replaceafill | mr_german, let me pause what i'm doing | 13:02 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok, pause | 13:03 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, do you want to hang out? | 13:03 |
| mr_german | sure | 13:03 |
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| jelkner | zOnny, where are you? | 14:50 |
| zOnny | jelkner: library | 14:51 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I'm reading on Stripe's website that the first transfer Stripe makes to a bank account takes 7 days | 14:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, and then after that 2 days | 14:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, so we can take the risk of having people donate on Saturday | 14:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, despite the fact that we haven't verified that it works | 14:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I guess the worst that can happen is that it fails and people's donations fail | 14:59 |
| jelkner | aha | 15:00 |
| jelkner | well then, we need to wait 7 day | 15:00 |
| jelkner | s | 15:00 |
| jelkner | sweet | 15:00 |
| jelkner | agreed | 15:00 |
| jelkner | let's take the rist | 15:00 |
| jelkner | risk | 15:00 |
| jelkner | we need to put that on our website | 15:00 |
| jelkner | please donate | 15:00 |
| jelkner | with a link | 15:00 |
| jelkner | i just created the election | 15:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | cool. well in that case I'll send out our account info to everybody in the team. have them set it up and see if we can receive donations to novawebdev | 15:01 |
| jelkner | yes | 15:01 |
| jelkner | +1 | 15:01 |
| jelkner | i'm about to open the election | 15:01 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, let's see how soon we can get all 6 of us to vote | 15:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, although, now that we are talking about it, what's the benefit of having a team? | 15:01 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, wow!!!!! | 15:02 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 15:02 |
| jelkner | what a pleasure it now is to vote | 15:02 |
| jelkner | we need to do this same thing for our other components tan pronto que sea possible | 15:02 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :D | 15:02 |
| jelkner | it is lovely!! | 15:02 |
| jelkner | AEA will be singing our praises | 15:03 |
| jelkner | and customers will soon be lining up at the door ;-) | 15:03 |
| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we haven't deployed it to AEA yet though | 15:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, what's the benefit of having a team in liberapay? | 15:04 |
| jelkner | so, replaceafill, we announce that git repos will soon be available, yes? | 15:04 |
| jelkner | we won't be lying if we say that tomorrow | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 15:04 |
| jelkner | zOnny, can you please vote? | 15:04 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, replaceafill, you too | 15:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i want to get that done early next week | 15:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, already voted | 15:04 |
| jelkner | sweet | 15:04 |
| jelkner | zOnny, replaceafill if you do that now, we will only be waiting for natalia | 15:05 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, so, you got to see the hard work that replaceafill and mr_german did first hand | 15:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, what's the benefit of having a team in liberapay? | 15:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, voted | 15:06 |
| jelkner | as opposed to what, lelkneralfaro? | 15:06 |
| jelkner | we are asking people to donate to our project | 15:06 |
| jelkner | libre organize | 15:06 |
| jelkner | not to us, per se | 15:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, just having one person associated with the project | 15:06 |
| jelkner | in other words, the funds are dedicated | 15:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, all the money is going to the same place | 15:06 |
| jelkner | that's true, lelkneralfaro | 15:07 |
| jelkner | but the won't be spent the same way | 15:07 |
| jelkner | and we need to get transparent accounting worked out soon | 15:07 |
| jelkner | we are asking folks to trust us with their donations | 15:08 |
| jelkner | we need to publicly provided accounting of where it all goes | 15:08 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, with the gnucash experience i have now from novalaciro | 15:08 |
| jelkner | we should talk about how best to do that | 15:08 |
| jelkner | but we want open books | 15:08 |
| jelkner | and good accounting | 15:08 |
| jelkner | its all been hand waving and under the table til now | 15:09 |
| jelkner | but that stops once we begin our public coming out | 15:09 |
| jelkner | since we are seeking funding from strangers | 15:09 |
| jelkner | not just known friends | 15:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, so you want to keep it with all the users? | 15:10 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, maybe i'm confused | 15:10 |
| jelkner | what do you mean? | 15:10 |
| jelkner | are you asking why we want a Libre Organize team? | 15:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, the team you created has a few users associated with it. | 15:11 |
| jelkner | all of us | 15:11 |
| jelkner | all members, that is | 15:11 |
| jelkner | 6 of us at present | 15:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, if we were to set it up so that someone can donate to novawebdev | 15:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, all the money would go to the same place | 15:12 |
| jelkner | yes, but novawebdev is a coop | 15:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, so it's a hassle to set it up with all the users | 15:12 |
| jelkner | Libre Organize is a project | 15:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, except for for appearances | 15:12 |
| jelkner | it is more than just appearances | 15:12 |
| jelkner | as we grow, we will be doing different things | 15:12 |
| jelkner | we want people to be able to say, "I'm willing to fund work on that well defined project you just described." | 15:13 |
| jelkner | Not, "Here is money for y'all to do with as you please, I've got more than I need anyway." | 15:13 |
| jelkner | So for now it is Libre Organize | 15:14 |
| jelkner | there may be other projects we develop later | 15:14 |
| jelkner | and they will have their own separate place to donate | 15:14 |
| jelkner | and we need to keep our books clear | 15:14 |
| jelkner | so that money donated to one goes to that one alone. | 15:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, that's fine. but that project wouldn't necessarily need more than one user associated with it either if all the money goes to the same bank account | 15:16 |
| jelkner | ahh, that is a totally different question | 15:16 |
| jelkner | their doesn't seem to be projects on liberapay, only teams | 15:17 |
| jelkner | so i'm substituting a team for a project | 15:17 |
| jelkner | but the public can see the members of the team, yes? | 15:17 |
| jelkner | i figured they could, which is why i thought all coop members should be listed | 15:17 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yes, which is why it matters for appearances | 15:17 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, if you think it matters | 15:18 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, left nrcerna a message about the vote | 15:18 |
| jelkner | tell you what, lelkneralfaro | 15:18 |
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| jelkner | the best thing that can happen this month is for you to hit the streets and start talking to customers | 15:18 |
| jelkner | it matters what they think, not what i think | 15:18 |
| jelkner | i'm just guessing | 15:18 |
| ubuntourist | All aboard train 134 leaving for Philly in 7 minutes... | 15:19 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, i have a lot of exciting news! | 15:19 |
| ubuntourist | You usually do. ;-/ | 15:19 |
| jelkner | 1. We have an ASL teacher at ACC who will be teaching ASL classes here | 15:19 |
| ubuntourist | Wonder if it's anyone I know... | 15:19 |
| ubuntourist | (Probably not.) | 15:20 |
| jelkner | She was at our first staff meeting with two interpreters in tow | 15:20 |
| jelkner | i told her i want to start learning ASL this year | 15:20 |
| ubuntourist | So, a native signer then, one assumes. | 15:20 |
| jelkner | +1 | 15:20 |
| jelkner | she is deaf | 15:20 |
| jelkner | but she speaks very well | 15:21 |
| jelkner | still, she will have an interpreter with her in class | 15:21 |
| jelkner | 2. Sam Little is working on an electric car project | 15:21 |
| ubuntourist | Don't think I know Sam, but that sounds like fun. | 15:22 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, can you please vote? | 15:22 |
| jelkner | i told the ASL teacher about you | 15:22 |
| jelkner | and said i wanted to introduce you | 15:22 |
| jelkner | but there is a serious problem | 15:22 |
| ubuntourist | ? I thought I was up-to-date on voting... | 15:22 |
| jelkner | she only teaches here in the AM block :-( | 15:23 |
| jelkner | i told her, that is going to be a problem for kevin | 15:23 |
| ubuntourist | (checking vote now) | 15:23 |
| ubuntourist | Site loading extremely slowly... but loading. | 15:23 |
| ubuntourist | The background graphic is loading one row of pixels at a time. | 15:24 |
| ubuntourist | (about 0.5 through.) | 15:25 |
| jelkner | ooh, you won't have the same nice experience i did then | 15:25 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, ubuntourist, replaceafill how do you all feel about sending sensitive information like bank account info over email? | 15:25 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, to clarify, he means our novawebdev account | 15:25 |
| ubuntourist | lelkneralfaro, as someone who's had my identity "thefted" once, while believing myself careful, pretty opposed to it. In spite of theoretical encryptions. | 15:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, cool, id prefer to play it safe as well. so what's the best way to share that sort of info then? | 15:27 |
| replaceafill | ACTION goes to pick up his daughter, bb in ~40 | 15:28 |
| ubuntourist | lelkneralfaro, at the moment, I believe replaceafill, marco and I are comfy with GPG encrypted documents. However, there seems to be resistance to using that. | 15:29 |
| ubuntourist | lelkneralfaro, The question then: With whom, how often, and why? I don't have any immediate answers but the questions might help me think about some. | 15:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, in order to set up our liberapay team everyone needs to set up stripe accounts with our novawebdev banking info | 15:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | ubuntourist, so it won't be often and just among us people who know and trust each other | 15:31 |
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| ubuntourist | Bleah. I was hoping I'd get a response from the LiberaPay people about their PayPal timeline. Loathe to set up more online access to moneys. | 15:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yeah I'm leaning towards having people drop off the team and just having you or I who have already set up our accounts | 15:34 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, avoid the hassle and the sending of sensitive info over email | 15:34 |
| jelkner | you know, lelkneralfaro, they can already access it in our shared drive | 15:35 |
| ubuntourist | I'll pester about PayPal, since I did finally get forced into using that, and the LiberaPay site says "Coming Soon. | 15:35 |
| jelkner | +1 | 15:35 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, i'm looking into ownCloud | 15:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, fair enough | 15:36 |
| jelkner | since Dropbox won't support my encrypted partitions or virtual machines after november | 15:36 |
| ubuntourist | (Not crazy 'bout that either: Shared documents on Google. On the other hand, ownCloud may be promising. Does that use the NextCloud application?) | 15:36 |
| ubuntourist | (P.S. Google AND Dropbox. I forgot to mention Dropbox.) | 15:37 |
| ubuntourist | And... I think my wifi may have gone away... quiet here and NWD elections page not loading... | 15:39 |
| jelkner | so i figured now is the time to switch to a free software platform | 15:40 |
| ubuntourist | Ah. There we are. Vote cast. | 15:42 |
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| jelkner | all we need now is nrcerna, and we can close the election | 15:43 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, 9 am start | 15:43 |
| jelkner | 2 1/2 hours from arlington | 15:43 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner: Non sequitor... You're channeling Flint. Leaving Arlington at 9:00? Arriving Philly at 9:00? | 15:46 |
| jelkner | that's when it starts, yes? | 15:48 |
| jelkner | we are here together talking | 15:48 |
| jelkner | and i can't walk and chew gum at the same time | 15:48 |
| jelkner | so, ubuntourist, just so you know what's happening | 15:48 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, zOnny, and i will meet mjsir911 and dad at cvs at 6:30 am | 15:52 |
| jelkner | should arrive at conference around 9 am | 15:52 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, are you here or away? | 15:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, i think he's still picking up his daughter | 15:55 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Yes. FOSSCON starts at 9:00, but that doesn't always correspond with your travels. (And 9:00 - 10:20 is "mingle and nosh" time. Opening keynote begins at 10:20. | 15:56 |
| jelkner | understood | 15:57 |
| jelkner | but mingle and nosh we want to attend | 15:58 |
| jelkner | so we are shooting for 9 am | 15:58 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill left to pick up daughter circa 15:28. ETA 16:00 | 15:58 |
| jelkner | with the wonderful understanding that if traffic is unpredictable | 15:58 |
| jelkner | we won't miss the keynote | 15:58 |
| jelkner | so, ubuntourist we are on to the presentation | 15:58 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, absolutely! I'm a big fan of the mingle and nosh. Best part. Other than swag. ;-) | 15:58 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, My plan for the presentation: Look stupid and say nothing. Play to my strengths. | 16:00 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, what are the logistics for our lightening talk | 16:00 |
| jelkner | is it on your laptop? | 16:00 |
| jelkner | it would be good if a few of us had it ready | 16:00 |
| jelkner | so we have options based on connector type and such | 16:00 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I looked (and corrected one spelling error) but did not download. Will do so now. | 16:00 |
| jelkner | i'm assuming hdmi | 16:00 |
| jelkner | i only have that | 16:01 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Oh. Right. HDMI. My machine is wacky about that. | 16:01 |
| jelkner | one important thing missing is the liberapay | 16:01 |
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| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, can you add that? | 16:01 |
| ubuntourist | I forgot that I need to buy a better stupid dongle. | 16:02 |
| mjsir911 | What are we trying to get out of this presentation? Do we want to have people hack on / use libreorganize? jelkner mentioned liberapay, we want people to just donate to us? | 16:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, add it where? | 16:06 |
| mjsir911 | should we include an easily rememberable link on the presentation? | 16:06 |
| mjsir911 | ubuntourist: thoughts? | 16:10 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, Methinks the better answer there would be a link to a more narrative version of the presentation, together with a repeat of the [Dontate] button (see issue filed). | 16:12 |
| mjsir911 | how does libreorganize.org pointing at a view-only version of the presentation sound? or do we have this "more narrative version" somewhere already? | 16:14 |
| ubuntourist | Small sidetrack to prevent possible bad decisions: jelkner, compare ownCloud and NextCloud before deciding (if you have not already). | 16:15 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, one source of comparison https://www.1and1.com/digitalguide/server/tools/owncloud-vs-nextcloud-a-comparison/ | 16:15 |
| mjsir911 | ubuntourist: do you have a preference? | 16:17 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, No narrative version I'm aware of. I still think presentations are a bit "thin" after the fact, though as an immediate solution, it works. | 16:17 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, ownCloud vs. nextCloud? none yet, other than the fact that I recently downloaded the nextCloud client, and Arch doesn't want both ownCloud and nextCloud clients simultaneously. | 16:18 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, (package conflicts.) | 16:18 |
| replaceafill | ACTION is back | 16:19 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro, ubuntourist, zOnny vote results published | 16:21 |
| jelkner | Woho!! | 16:22 |
| jelkner | We have a new member | 16:22 |
| jelkner | ACTION goes to add mr_german to the members groups | 16:23 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, can you call him to let him know? | 16:23 |
| replaceafill | unfortunately the new member notified me he won't be around today, but i'll give him a call | 16:23 |
| jelkner | btw. zOnny is getting ready to setup the website for Ampara | 16:23 |
| jelkner | he could use mr_german's help | 16:24 |
| replaceafill | what do you need from him zOnny? | 16:24 |
| jelkner | i told him we want the two of them to do this without help from replaceafill | 16:24 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: the confirmation that I will take the project | 16:25 |
| zOnny | *confirmation | 16:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, didn't you agree on him taking it? | 16:25 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, why was him doing the estimate then? | 16:26 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: because I was assuming that he is going to do it | 16:26 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, it doesn't look like i can add a member to the members group | 16:27 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I am confused as well | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, can you clafiry the confusion? | 16:27 |
| jelkner | never mind | 16:27 |
| jelkner | megamenu | 16:27 |
| ubuntourist | Experiencing "turbulence". Typing and reading (not to mention connectivity) becoming awkward. | 16:27 |
| jelkner | done | 16:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, how soon does this new website need to be done? | 16:28 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny German is away today | 16:28 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking that presents an opportunity for zOnny to see what he can do on his own, yes? | 16:28 |
| jelkner | we will want both of them to respond with ease to requests like this | 16:29 |
| jelkner | since the flood gates will soon be open! | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, are you at least confortable with German's estimates? | 16:29 |
| jelkner | o | 16:29 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, why that question? | 16:29 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I don't want to take the project without his agreement on it | 16:30 |
| jelkner | too late for that | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, because zOnny wasn't involved in that conversation | 16:30 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I am fine with it | 16:30 |
| jelkner | we already took it | 16:30 |
| jelkner | this is where governance and process comes in, lelkneralfaro | 16:30 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I just was requested to do it | 16:30 |
| jelkner | we couldn't very well tell her now that we don't want to take once we told her we would and quoted her a price | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, nobody said we are rejecting it now... | 16:31 |
| ubuntourist | BTW, I know it's late but mayhaps a live "wave" from those not in Philly tomorrow might put a bit of icing on the talk tomorrow. Then again, 5 minutes doesn't leave any time for "technical difficulties". So, perhaps more trouble than it's worth. | 16:31 |
| jelkner | btw. lelkneralfaro and replaceafill, my friend in nj who is paying for this thought the price was too low. | 16:32 |
| jelkner | just some feedback | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it just seems to me a bit unfair to throw zOnny in without prior agreement | 16:32 |
| jelkner | cool | 16:32 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: 1+ | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i know both of them will probably be fine with this | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, in the end | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but as you said, this doesn't seem like a good "process" | 16:32 |
| jelkner | true, you weren't hear when i asked him if he could do it. | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, or German | 16:33 |
| jelkner | +1 | 16:33 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I don't want to take something that we already discused | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, it's fine | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, we all should be... swappable :D | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, ideally | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | anyway | 16:33 |
| jelkner | communication and good, friendly, respectful processes are going to be so key to our success going forward | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | i just called German and he didn't answer | 16:33 |
| jelkner | but we do need to be swappable | 16:34 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I would like mr_german's respond on it | 16:34 |
| jelkner | that is really important | 16:34 |
| jelkner | again, we will probably need brief, regular, dev meetings to handle who is doing what | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what's your plan if we get German's ok? | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, start *today*? | 16:34 |
| jelkner | stand up meetings to dispact work as it comes in | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, continue tomorrow? | 16:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 16:34 |
| jelkner | for that we need regular hours | 16:34 |
| jelkner | so people know when to expect to find each other | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 16:35 |
| jelkner | we've done well | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, to be fair to German he was here in the morning | 16:35 |
| jelkner | we didn't over engineer things before they were needed | 16:35 |
| jelkner | but now they are | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, if we have known your plans | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, we could have decided differently | 16:36 |
| jelkner | i didn't at all mean to even imply he should be here now | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ok | 16:36 |
| jelkner | i'm just saying we don't have regular hours | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, "fair enough" | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | :) | 16:36 |
| jelkner | lol | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you didn't answer my question? | 16:36 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: how I can start a project once I know that mr_german took it | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, until today we have not received a single email from the project | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, unless i'm out of some thread | 16:37 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: it is not about start it today | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if that's the case, i bet he hasn't started anything | 16:38 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: it is about who will do it | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so you're saying we don't need to rush the decision? | 16:38 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: correct | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, cool, i'll drop it then | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, zOnny let me know if you need anything from me | 16:39 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I just was surprise with this | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ubuntourist, zOnny i just gave German superuser in the site | 16:40 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, we are dividing up the slides | 16:42 |
| jelkner | we don't say anything on the title slide | 16:42 |
| jelkner | i'll take slide 2 if no one else is chomping at the bit to have it | 16:43 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, any slides strike your fancy? | 16:44 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, are you here? | 16:45 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, you know me: Terrified by audiences. If I go to Monk's first, I *guess* #5. | 16:48 |
| ubuntourist | (Now entering Wilmington, Delaware.) | 16:58 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Do I recall reading that your chariot becomes a pumpkin at 5:00 today? | 16:58 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, if so, perhaps time to wrap up. (I've still got ~30 minutes if train schedule holds.) | 16:59 |
| ubuntourist | (Just announced: Philadelphia 30th Street station next ~ 20 minutes.) | 17:02 |
| ubuntourist | Actually, I think I'll call it quits now. Sun glaring off computer screen. | 17:03 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, heading home | 17:03 |
| jelkner | wish us well tomorrow | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, good luck | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, break both legs | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | :D | 17:03 |
| jelkner | lol | 17:03 |
| replaceafill | ACTION goes to get lunch, bb in ~1h | 17:10 |
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