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| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, ping | 11:31 |
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| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, pong, just a minute | 11:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +! | 11:31 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ok, done, good morning | 11:32 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, what's up? | 11:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, good morning :) | 11:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I'm working with Keri to import members now | 11:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, and the processing time is very long | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, you think it got stuck? | 11:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, possibly | 11:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I don't think it should take this long | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, let me check the logs | 11:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, if it's not stuck. it's taking too long for it to be a good user experience | 11:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, mine is still processing now | 11:36 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, the server is not processing anything | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and it seems like not event a importing task has been scheduled | 11:38 |
| replaceafill | not even* | 11:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, that's an issue :/ | 11:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, Keri tried twice | 11:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I'm trying now. I see it saying processing | 11:39 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, yes, i can see you accessing the url | 11:39 |
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| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but the process doesn't continue | 11:39 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it smells like a wrong setup somewhere | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, give me a moment to compare to our server | 11:40 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 11:40 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ah! found it | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, hhmm | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it'll take me a few minutes to make them match | 11:41 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, 10 minutes | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, can you wait? | 11:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yup | 11:42 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool, ping you in a moment | 11:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, great thanks | 11:43 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, could you retry? | 11:55 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yup I'll give it a shot now | 11:56 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i've enabled debugging | 11:56 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, in case you see the yellow page | 11:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, cool | 11:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, what does having debugging enabled mean? | 11:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, and it worked! | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | replaceafill, that you don't get "oops" pages | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ^ | 11:57 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, you see the actual error displayed | 11:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, why not have that all the time? | 11:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, bad for the user to see the error? | 11:58 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, because it's a security risk | 11:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, ahh I thought that might be it | 11:58 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, you're dumping too much inner knowledge, sometimes passwords, etc | 11:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, okay so can you please turn of debugging now and I'll shoot Keri an email saying she can make the import? | 11:59 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool, hold on | 12:00 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, done | 12:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, cool ty | 12:02 |
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| mr_german | replaceafill, my apologies :( | 12:30 |
| mr_german | for the delay | 12:30 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i'm really tired of having to deal with this | 12:30 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, to be honest you make me want to quit | 12:30 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, anyway | 12:30 |
| mr_german | i had some problems that's all.. | 12:31 |
| mr_german | :/ | 12:31 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, then you have to call me | 12:31 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i have told you that | 12:31 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, "Douglas i'll be late for the f****g meeting" | 12:31 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/commits/replaceafill/sign_in_link_redesign | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/event-attendance/commits/replaceafill/sign_in_link_redesign | 12:32 |
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| replaceafill | mr_german, use those two branches to base your work on | 12:32 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, one is for the base theme | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, the other is for the attendance app | 12:33 |
| mr_german | ok | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you'll see the one link now at the top | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, no more iframes | 12:33 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, yeah i can see | 12:33 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, can i use css on custom now? | 12:33 |
| mr_german | for that | 12:33 |
| mr_german | ? | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, no | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, use base | 12:33 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, we want this to look the same in all the themes | 12:34 |
| mr_german | yeah | 12:34 |
| mr_german | but | 12:34 |
| mr_german | it will work¿? | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, that's your job, isn't it? | 12:34 |
| mr_german | i mean | 12:34 |
| mr_german | if it is not necessary | 12:34 |
| mr_german | to add style | 12:34 |
| mr_german | on | 12:34 |
| mr_german | sign in link | 12:34 |
| mr_german | template anymore | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i don't understand what you're saying | 12:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i'll call you | 12:35 |
| mr_german | si ya no tengo que agregar | 12:35 |
| mr_german | css and esa tempalte | 12:35 |
| mr_german | template* | 12:35 |
| mr_german | anteriormente no funcionaba el css de base en el iframe | 12:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ya no hay iframe | 12:35 |
| mr_german | ok | 12:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, es solo un enlace | 12:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, con un div con una clase | 12:36 |
| mr_german | es como una template mas de tendenci ahora verdad? | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, que aparece cuando tiene que aparecer | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, si | 12:36 |
| mr_german | ok | 12:36 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, podes hacer hangout? | 12:36 |
| mr_german | si | 12:37 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, no contestas... | 12:38 |
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| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, r u here? | 12:59 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, r u here? | 13:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 13:04 |
| jelkner | i read the message | 13:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sorry for all the poison | 13:04 |
| jelkner | looks like uncle grumpy is having a bad day :-( | 13:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm really pissed | 13:05 |
| jelkner | take a deep breath | 13:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i just did, still pissed | 13:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :P | 13:05 |
| jelkner | maybe you need a day off? | 13:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, nah | 13:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, it's fine | 13:06 |
| jelkner | isaac is still waiting | 13:06 |
| jelkner | will you be around this weekend? | 13:06 |
| jelkner | i want to check in with you and lelkneralfaro | 13:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah sure | 13:06 |
| jelkner | and the only time i can really do that is weekends | 13:06 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes, i understand | 13:06 |
| jelkner | i still think we should reinstitute the sunday 30 minute meeting | 13:06 |
| jelkner | anyway | 13:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 13:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let's vote on it! :D | 13:07 |
| jelkner | cool | 13:08 |
| jelkner | i'll be home all weekend | 13:08 |
| jelkner | so i'll create a vote, and send out an email on saturday | 13:08 |
| jelkner | i have back to school night tonight | 13:08 |
| jelkner | parents coming | 13:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ah | 13:09 |
| jelkner | so i need to be on my "A game" | 13:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, very busy i imagine | 13:09 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:09 |
| jelkner | things will settle down a bit next week | 13:09 |
| jelkner | but this is going to be a great year! | 13:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'd like to borrow some of your good spirit my friend | 13:09 |
| jelkner | i am worried about one thing, though | 13:10 |
| jelkner | we haven't been getting any checks in the mail recently | 13:10 |
| jelkner | how are we doing? | 13:10 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, waiting on gallaudet i think | 13:11 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro is a better person to answer that | 13:11 |
| jelkner | i understand, that's why i want the weekend meeting | 13:13 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, +1 | 13:14 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, r u here | 13:17 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, can we pick a time? | 13:24 |
| jelkner | i was hoping to find lelkneralfaro here | 13:24 |
| jelkner | but i have a 1 pm meeting on saturday | 13:25 |
| jelkner | and then we have a family obligation in the evening | 13:25 |
| jelkner | sunday is more wide open | 13:25 |
| jelkner | but saturday morning (before 12:30 pm) is good too | 13:25 |
| jelkner | what works best for you? | 13:25 |
| jelkner | we can email lelkneralfaro and hope he can make it | 13:25 |
| jelkner | or offer him two choices | 13:25 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, what about saturday 11 am? | 13:26 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:26 |
| jelkner | can you please ask lelkneralfaro when you see him? | 13:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 13:26 |
| jelkner | i'll put saturday 11 am on my calendar | 13:26 |
| jelkner | and assume we are on unless i hear otherwise from you | 13:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool, i'll ask him | 13:26 |
| jelkner | Thnx! | 13:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, np | 13:27 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/tree/gfbot/sign_in_link | 13:49 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/event-attendance/tree/gfbot/sign_in_link | 13:49 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i'll check it later today | 13:50 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, k | 13:50 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, does it behave *exactly* as master? | 13:51 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, yes, kind of | 13:51 |
| mr_german | you should | 13:51 |
| mr_german | see | 13:51 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, one things is that it should be work on every theme | 13:52 |
| mr_german | thing* | 13:52 |
| mr_german | but, we can test that later | 13:52 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you need to make sure of that | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, why do it later? | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, why don't you do it now? | 13:53 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, i need to know if that change is ok | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, that's the whole point of the task | 13:53 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, what do you need to know? | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, exactly | 13:54 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, im waiting for you if that works | 13:54 |
| mr_german | as you want | 13:54 |
| replaceafill | sigh... | 13:54 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, well, on ora it looks pretty good | 13:57 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i'm not sure this is right: | 13:57 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/event-attendance/compare/replaceafill%2Fsign_in_link_redesign...gfbot%2Fsign_in_link | 13:58 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, why do you need the container to be a nav? | 13:58 |
| mr_german | because on every theme | 13:58 |
| mr_german | "nav" class is using different paddings and colors | 13:59 |
| mr_german | so | 13:59 |
| mr_german | with this | 13:59 |
| mr_german | the button should have same height, padding and colors | 13:59 |
| mr_german | that makes the button works | 13:59 |
| mr_german | on every theme | 13:59 |
| mr_german | without problems | 13:59 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/nova-base-theme/compare/replaceafill%2Fsign_in_link_redesign...gfbot%2Fsign_in_link#560469858265bdf005e9583342d090c4df443c5f_22_19 | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, why did you remove the logo? | 14:02 |
| replaceafill | line 22 | 14:02 |
| mr_german | oh yeah, use that space for the link | 14:04 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, https://i.imgur.com/fwBdrjg.png | 14:05 |
| mr_german | mobile | 14:06 |
| mr_german | https://i.imgur.com/jupT9DN.png | 14:06 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you know you should use the issues for sharing screenshots | 14:07 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i think we'll need to run this by jelkner | 14:08 |
| mr_german | well me post the images | 14:08 |
| mr_german | let me* | 14:08 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, should i use this issue? | 14:09 |
| mr_german | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/novawebdev-ams/issues/74 | 14:09 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes | 14:09 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, can you show it in AEA and NOVALACIRO? | 14:10 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and NWD | 14:10 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, on the issue | 14:10 |
| mr_german | or here | 14:10 |
| mr_german | ? | 14:10 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, issue... | 14:10 |
| mr_german | but that issue? | 14:10 |
| mr_german | 74 | 14:10 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes | 14:11 |
| replaceafill | yeah, i'm having a bad day | 14:11 |
| replaceafill | i probably need a week off or something | 14:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i just noticed an error in AEA | 14:14 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, are you around? | 14:14 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it looks like someone tried to create a group with a slash in the url path | 14:17 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i just tested the demo and that produces an oops page | 14:17 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, sorry i disappeared for a bit ill be able to help keri with that soon. | 14:31 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i just removed the group | 14:31 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, one question | 14:33 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, yes? | 14:33 |
| mr_german | any reason that navbar menu disappear when i change the ifram for this "{% sign_in_link %}" | 14:34 |
| mr_german | iframe* | 14:34 |
| mr_german | on novawebdev and novalaciro | 14:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, it means the template gets broken | 14:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, and django swallows it completely | 14:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, did you load the attendance_tags? | 14:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, {% load attendance_tags %} at the top | 14:35 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, ups, yeah that was the problem+ | 14:35 |
| mr_german | thanx | 14:35 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, kk | 14:35 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, before i forget! | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, can we meet on saturday at 11 am? | 14:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes that will work. What about? | 14:38 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, jelkner wants to check on liberia and finances | 14:38 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yup that's alright. | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool | 14:39 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok, i can check your branch now | 14:40 |
| mr_german | k | 14:40 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, thanks for letting me know | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, np | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, you can see our conversation about it in the logs if you're interested | 14:40 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i may have missed something else jelkner wants to discuss :D | 14:40 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, cool ill take a look | 14:41 |
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| replaceafill | ACTION goes to get lunch, bb in ~40 | 15:23 |
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| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: are you around ? | 16:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, yup I'm here | 16:16 |
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| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, what's up? | 16:17 |
| replaceafill | ACTION is back | 16:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, hey got a sec? just want to notify you of something | 16:20 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, yes? | 16:20 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I just got a call from Gallaudet, they said that they want us to bill them for hours that we work | 16:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, and that they won't be able to pay the $5,000 upfront | 16:21 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ouch | 16:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, they have agreed to $100/hour | 16:21 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, can we say no at this point? | 16:22 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, hopefully it ends up being okay in the end | 16:22 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, we could still say no... | 16:22 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, although there is still the chance to make some money here | 16:22 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, we're just unfortunately waiting for them to give us access and then tasks | 16:23 |
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| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but 10k are not guaranteed | 16:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, that is true | 16:23 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, have you let jelkner know? | 16:24 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, if we don't do the Gallaudet thing, that means we need to make a big push to sell tendenci | 16:24 |
| jelkner | jelkner is here now | 16:24 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, no I haven't told him yet, just got the call 30 min ago | 16:24 |
| lelkneralfaro | ahh true | 16:24 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, you here? | 16:24 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool, he's here :) | 16:24 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, you see the conversation about Gallaudet? | 16:25 |
| jelkner | i did | 16:25 |
| jelkner | you're the folks who need to decide, but i think turning away work at $100 per hour is really bad business | 16:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, cool, well that's the news. on that, just wanted to pass it along. | 16:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, replaceafill I agree, I think we need to take it | 16:26 |
| jelkner | bureaucracies are always hard to deal with | 16:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, what if we end up billing 2 hours for september? | 16:26 |
| jelkner | that's why we are charging the rate that we are | 16:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, jelkner even if it doesn't end up being 100 hours, the income will help | 16:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, replaceafill where we stand financially is that we have about $2300 in the bank (not the exact number) | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro less than 100 guaranteed hours doesn't seem worth it to me | 16:27 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro it was what would help us survive these two months | 16:28 |
| jelkner | it's your call, replaceafill | 16:28 |
| jelkner | it's the gamble | 16:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, jelkner I don't feel confident to say that they will need the 100 hours | 16:29 |
| jelkner | my hunch is they will need a reasonable number of hours | 16:29 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist should be brought in on that to confirm | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | i dont either | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | it's the 13th already | 16:29 |
| replaceafill | and we don't even have access | 16:29 |
| jelkner | i have talked to ubuntourist about this numerous times | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | it's going to be a lot of stress down the line | 16:30 |
| jelkner | this is basically "par for the course" as far as he tells me | 16:30 |
| replaceafill | 100/h for stress, told you about my OpenCraft gig, right...? | 16:30 |
| jelkner | they do everything late and then get all desperate when the deadline approaches | 16:30 |
| jelkner | yes, replaceafill, and i understand you're already stressed today | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | to me, this is changing the deal | 16:31 |
| jelkner | to this is just piling on | 16:31 |
| jelkner | i get that | 16:31 |
| jelkner | maybe you need a day off | 16:31 |
| replaceafill | maybe i need a week off... | 16:31 |
| jelkner | probably not | 16:31 |
| jelkner | a good night sleep and a sunny day tomorrow and the world will look different | 16:32 |
| replaceafill | heh | 16:32 |
| jelkner | in any case | 16:32 |
| jelkner | here is my thinking: | 16:32 |
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| jelkner | 1. Gallaudet pays us at a good rate | 16:32 |
| jelkner | 2. They do pay (ubuntourist has been collecting for years) | 16:33 |
| jelkner | 3. We should begin working on plan C while we wait | 16:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, plan C? I only knew about plan B | 16:35 |
| jelkner | lol | 16:35 |
| jelkner | plan C is a business loan | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | -1 | 16:35 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, perhaps we should wait until saturday to talk to you | 16:35 |
| jelkner | understand this | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 16:36 |
| jelkner | i have invested $50K in a dream | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but to be honest | 16:36 |
| jelkner | i'm ok if it doesn't come true | 16:36 |
| jelkner | you can't count on that | 16:36 |
| jelkner | but i am not ok being the one responsible for its failure | 16:36 |
| jelkner | success comes from following a good idea and rolling the dice | 16:36 |
| jelkner | we have a good idea | 16:36 |
| jelkner | i know we do | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, who is responsible for failure at this point? | 16:37 |
| jelkner | if we walk away, we are | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, can *i* walk away? | 16:37 |
| jelkner | you can't win if you we don't play | 16:37 |
| jelkner | if you walk away, you will be responsible for our failure | 16:37 |
| jelkner | it's your right | 16:37 |
| jelkner | but it would suck | 16:37 |
| jelkner | we can't do this without you at this point | 16:38 |
| jelkner | soon i hope we can build enough redundancy not to have a single point of failure | 16:38 |
| jelkner | but now we still do | 16:38 |
| jelkner | and you, my dear friend, are it | 16:38 |
| replaceafill | but you're willing to keep making loans in this position | 16:38 |
| jelkner | if we can get a business loan | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm just not confortable with that anymore | 16:39 |
| jelkner | it isn't my loan | 16:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, either it's you or nwd | 16:39 |
| jelkner | if the business fails | 16:39 |
| jelkner | the business defaults on the loan | 16:39 |
| jelkner | i don't have to cover it | 16:39 |
| jelkner | i don't know if we can get such a loan | 16:39 |
| jelkner | but by now we may be able to | 16:39 |
| jelkner | novawebdevelopment is an LLC | 16:39 |
| jelkner | that means limited liability | 16:40 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, no we aren't :) | 16:40 |
| jelkner | oh | 16:40 |
| jelkner | really? | 16:40 |
| jelkner | we were when we started | 16:40 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yeah we've had this conversation a few times... but I know repeating needs to happen | 16:40 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, no you never were | 16:40 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, always an S-corp | 16:40 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, s-corp's might be limited liability | 16:41 |
| jelkner | i think it is | 16:41 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, but there is research that needs to be done there | 16:41 |
| jelkner | let's look into that | 16:41 |
| jelkner | so that's plan c | 16:41 |
| jelkner | plan d is replaceafill and lelkneralfaro find other work until we hit opportunity | 16:42 |
| jelkner | i was just asking zOnny how he is going to make his car payment this month | 16:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, what are you thinking if you don't mind me asking? | 16:42 |
| jelkner | we have 4 people depending on our coop for their livelihood | 16:42 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, drop it and move on | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, in my opinion | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, we don't have the slightest idea of how many hours gallaudet will need | 16:43 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, if somebody could firmly say, oh yeah, last year it was X amount of hours | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and the previous year, Y amount | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, this would be different because you could estimate how short you'll be | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and sure, they could pay a lot of money | 16:44 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but if this was about money... we'd probably be doing something else at this point | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i don't miss the 75/h days with chest pain to make deadlines | 16:45 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and gallaudet doesn't help the business | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, other than help us sustain 2 more months | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, that was the whole point of taking it | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, we're not improving attendance or voting by *helping* them | 16:46 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i'd radther take the piece of... software we have | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and start knocking doors | 16:47 |
| jelkner | ok, replaceafill, that sounds reasonable to me | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it's the 13th and you and i haven't had paid | 16:47 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and that's fine | 16:47 |
| jelkner | but i would urge you to at least run this by ubuntourist, lelkneralfaro | 16:47 |
| jelkner | let him know we are planning to do that | 16:48 |
| jelkner | since he has a relationship with Gallaudet that we don't want to harm unnecessarily | 16:48 |
| jelkner | so we should at least withdrawal politely | 16:48 |
| jelkner | that would be good practice for you, lelkneralfaro | 16:49 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, how about this. before we drop Gallaudet, I will try to nail down how many hours they have needed in the past | 16:49 |
| jelkner | a nice "Thank you for considering us but under the circumstances we don't feel we can give you what you need." | 16:49 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, why don't we nail down first how many hours we need? | 16:49 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, can you please talk to ubuntourist ASAP. | 16:50 |
| jelkner | replaceafill is beginning to win me over on this | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, :D | 16:50 |
| jelkner | if they are behind, it means stress | 16:50 |
| lelkneralfaro | lol want to take this to hangouts? | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i was counting on stress | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, 100% | 16:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but at a 10k for 2 months rate, not 100/h | 16:51 |
| jelkner | if they won't get it together, we will be spending a lot of time dealing with a terrible situation | 16:51 |
| jelkner | so ask ubuntourist what he thinks | 16:51 |
| jelkner | the advantage of pulling out means total focus on Libre Organize | 16:52 |
| jelkner | while we wait for Liberia of course | 16:52 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, for how long? with what money? | 16:52 |
| jelkner | I think we need a loan | 16:52 |
| jelkner | so lelkneralfaro should research that immediately | 16:52 |
| jelkner | businesses usually begin with loans | 16:53 |
| jelkner | we have a year history, and an impressive website | 16:53 |
| jelkner | and a good idea and a decent track record | 16:53 |
| jelkner | we have assets we shouldn't underestimate | 16:53 |
| jelkner | we need to keep our 4 people who need us with roofs and bread | 16:54 |
| jelkner | a loan to tide us over | 16:54 |
| jelkner | we need to hit the circuit | 16:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | what are our development goals? | 16:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | improve events? improve other features? | 16:54 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, an agile approach means we focus on customer needs | 16:55 |
| lelkneralfaro | what do we need the software to look like for it to be the product we want? | 16:55 |
| jelkner | we have two really good customers | 16:55 |
| jelkner | i mentioned that you should come to beginning of the ORA meeting help folks use meetings | 16:55 |
| jelkner | you should visit AEA and help Keri use lists and voting and meetings | 16:56 |
| jelkner | we get people to use our product | 16:56 |
| jelkner | and fix what's broken | 16:56 |
| jelkner | and make a big push for donations | 16:56 |
| jelkner | on libera pay | 16:56 |
| jelkner | you told me that is working | 16:56 |
| jelkner | we need it on our website | 16:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | libera pay is a bad platform | 16:57 |
| jelkner | then pick a good platform | 16:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | yes I was doing research on another that I think may be better | 16:57 |
| jelkner | i thought you said libera pay is working | 16:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | libera pay it never ended up working for the team | 16:57 |
| lelkneralfaro | although donations to an individual works | 16:57 |
| jelkner | ahh | 16:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | and it can be used for that | 16:58 |
| jelkner | yeah, that's bad | 16:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | but the broken team suggested they may not have it together | 16:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | and may be unreliable | 16:58 |
| jelkner | you filed an issue, yes? | 16:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | others already have | 16:58 |
| jelkner | ok | 16:58 |
| jelkner | so look for an alternative | 16:58 |
| lelkneralfaro | yes I found one to explore already | 16:58 |
| jelkner | i'm going to polish the lightning talk i gave in philly | 16:59 |
| jelkner | it was very well received | 16:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | but the question about money right now remains | 16:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | we have $2300 in the bank | 16:59 |
| jelkner | mjsir911's dad gave me good feedback on the way back from philly | 16:59 |
| jelkner | on how to make it better | 16:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | rent is due in just over two weeks | 16:59 |
| lelkneralfaro | we'll be in a worse position come Oct. 1 | 17:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | if we focus on libre organize and fundraising it will take some time | 17:00 |
| jelkner | so the bottom line, lelkneralfaro, is what i mentioned to you before | 17:00 |
| jelkner | you need to decide whether you really want to do this | 17:01 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, well I never agreed with how you framed the issue | 17:01 |
| jelkner | and then like they used to say in the FPL, "Hagale uveos, compañero!" | 17:02 |
| replaceafill | huevos* | 17:02 |
| replaceafill | :) | 17:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, and I don't think that's a responsible thing to ask | 17:02 |
| jelkner | look, my beloved son, we have no choice | 17:02 |
| jelkner | in this kind of game, folks who succeed are willing to do what it takes | 17:03 |
| jelkner | the movie hollywood shuffle was made by a director who used credit cards to fund it | 17:03 |
| jelkner | we can take a loan | 17:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I hear what you are saying. but I'm sure we can gather a number of of stories of people who have gone bankrupt or failed trying to do the same thing | 17:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, if a loan is a possibility I'm okay with that. | 17:04 |
| jelkner | so look, we have a meeting scheduled for 11 am saturday | 17:04 |
| jelkner | find out by then what an s-corp is | 17:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, as long as my credit won't be affected | 17:05 |
| jelkner | can NOVA Web Development take out a load for say, $50K | 17:05 |
| jelkner | and then not make the members personally liable | 17:05 |
| jelkner | or perhaps since we have no capital assets | 17:06 |
| jelkner | they won't lend us $50K | 17:06 |
| jelkner | but maybe $10K | 17:06 |
| jelkner | which would keep us going while we wait for Liberia and develop and promote Libre Organize | 17:06 |
| jelkner | can we do that? | 17:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | I can do the research | 17:07 |
| jelkner | oh, i mean loan, not load ;-) | 17:07 |
| jelkner | cool | 17:07 |
| jelkner | let's resume this conversation saturday | 17:07 |
| jelkner | and i'll email ubuntourist and ask him to read this log | 17:07 |
| jelkner | if gallaudet comes up with a better offer of some guaranteed hours, we can ask replaceafill to reconsider | 17:08 |
| jelkner | if not, we follow his lead and drop it | 17:08 |
| jelkner | his argument is sound that without something clearer | 17:08 |
| jelkner | we are in for a rough ride | 17:09 |
| jelkner | that doesn't help us enough to be worth it | 17:09 |
| jelkner | but let's have ubuntourist weigh in | 17:09 |
| jelkner | are we good? | 17:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, one question | 17:10 |
| jelkner | isaac has a possible customer coming to see me now | 17:10 |
| jelkner | so i need to go | 17:10 |
| jelkner | can you email me the question? | 17:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, cool ttyl | 17:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, ill just talk to replaceafill | 17:10 |
| jelkner | cool | 17:10 |
| jelkner | hasta sabado | 17:10 |
| jelkner | 11 am | 17:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, still here? | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, yes | 17:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, want to continue this conversation later, and just take a break for now? | 17:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, my question might lead to more conversation... | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ask the question and then we decide? | 17:12 |
| replaceafill | :) | 17:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, :) cool | 17:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, so even if we say there is a high probability the 100 hours were going to come, as uncertain and stressful as they might be when they arrive, are you still leaning towards steering clear of the gig? | 17:13 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, not sure if this part of the conversation answer your question: | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i was counting on stress | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, 100% | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, but at a 10k for 2 months rate, not 100/h | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i'm referring to the last sentence to be clear | 17:16 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, from the picture Kevin has painted about gallaudet i kind of know what is coming | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and i was fine until i realize it's not a formal contract | 17:17 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I understand. but, the 2 months always had 100/hr included. maybe that wasn't clear | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i always understood it was going to be 5k upfront 5k once their book is printed | 17:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I was disappointed by that as well. I didn't expect that to happen. I was encouraged by that first contract that was signed but then all the mess came after | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, the upfront 5k would give us "peace of mind" | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, to last for the stress | 17:19 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes I was asking for 5K upfront. 5K upon the completion of 100 hours | 17:19 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes because we were warned that they are hard to work with that's why i asked for the upfront payment | 17:19 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, but that has gone down the drain :/ | 17:20 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ok | 17:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, okay well I hear what you are saying. no need to continue... | 17:21 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, cool | 17:22 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, alright. i'll do some investigating and thinking. talk to you later. | 17:22 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, thanks, ttyl | 17:22 |
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| jelkner | replaceafill, lelkneralfaro, email to ubuntourist just sent | 17:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 17:47 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, thanks | 17:47 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: are you around ? | 18:00 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, yes I am here | 18:00 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: can you give a favor ? | 18:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, i don't have much time. but I can now if it is small | 18:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, or if it can wait later I can do it then | 18:02 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: can you purchase this domain fipol.net ? | 18:02 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, what is this for? | 18:03 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro:of course, once you get chance | 18:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, for a nova web customer? | 18:03 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: I just met a customer who want a website | 18:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, this is the person that stopped by my dad's room? | 18:04 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: correct | 18:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, have you spoken about payments with them already? | 18:04 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: I have estimated him $5000 for a simple site | 18:05 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: is that fair ? | 18:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, depends... you have more experience than me with that. $5000 or $500 btw? | 18:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, if you ended up spending much more time on Amparo's site, that shows you how that goes | 18:07 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: Oops! $500 | 18:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, I have had projects that took too many hours as well, where we have underbilled | 18:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, $500 seems okay for a quick set up. but they should know that all changes afterwards need to be billed hourly | 18:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, all the back and forth and small changes take a lot of time | 18:08 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: yeah, we just talk about simple site | 18:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, sorry if you already know this, just want to make sure you are prepared | 18:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, cool. well if you say you want the domain, you've got it :) | 18:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, I'll purchase it tonight. probably around 9 or 10 | 18:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, i'll send you an email | 18:09 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: can you get in touch with him ? | 18:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, yes I can take care of that, if you send me his contact information and anything else I might need to know | 18:10 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: we actually mentioned you for dealing with the proccess after the site | 18:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, cool. thats alright with me | 18:10 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: if he want to be trained for example | 18:10 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: I talk him about the site included CMS but train them will cost $30 hr | 18:11 |
| zOnny | *took | 18:11 |
| zOnny | *talked | 18:11 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, yes, I'll take care of that. it will be a good opportunity to put together the pricing materials | 18:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, send me his info please | 18:12 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: can you send an email saying his domain was pruchased ? | 18:12 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: that is a good question | 18:12 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, send it to him you mean? if so, yes I can | 18:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, it will happen later tonight | 18:13 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: there is not need for rushing | 18:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, cool. thanks :) | 18:14 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: unless someone else take it :( | 18:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, lol, I doubt that will happen so quickly. but I'll buy it tonight, it won't take long | 18:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, I just can't do it right at this moment | 18:15 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: ok | 18:15 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: thanks | 18:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, in fact, I have to go, there is someone coming over to see our house, I need to find 4 people to rent rooms to | 18:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, no fun :( | 18:15 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: I see | 18:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, 4 of the people I am living with are leaving | 18:16 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: that is not good man | 18:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, :D i know, it kind of sucks. i liked most of the people leaving | 18:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, except one | 18:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, well ttyl, got to clean up a little bit | 18:17 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: sure | 18:17 |
| zOnny | ttyl | 18:17 |
| lelkneralfaro | ACTION tidies up for potential new housemates | 18:17 |
| jelkner | later, lelkneralfaro | 18:17 |
| jelkner | this new customer is a long time friend of isaac | 18:18 |
| jelkner | with a non-profit org | 18:18 |
| jelkner | small | 18:18 |
| jelkner | just wants cms | 18:18 |
| jelkner | good gig for zOnny to handle | 18:18 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 18:18 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the night | 18:19 |
| jelkner | hasta tomorrow... | 18:19 |
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