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| jelkner | good morning, lelkneralfaro | 10:26 |
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| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, good morning | 10:26 |
| jelkner | just got off the phone with keri | 10:26 |
| jelkner | the aea website is missing the top banner | 10:27 |
| jelkner | it is probably something she did with the cms | 10:27 |
| lelkneralfaro | yeah I see it | 10:27 |
| jelkner | easy fix? | 10:27 |
| lelkneralfaro | possibly. | 10:27 |
| jelkner | i don't know how to do that | 10:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | ill take a look | 10:28 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | if it's the easy way I can do it, if not we'll have to wait for replaceafill | 10:28 |
| jelkner | she said she had one problem adding people | 10:28 |
| jelkner | understood | 10:28 |
| jelkner | in other news, FILOP wrote us a check | 10:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, how long do you have right now? | 10:28 |
| jelkner | not much time | 10:28 |
| jelkner | 5 minutes | 10:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, cool. we can do it later then. when would you have 20 minutes? | 10:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | at least | 10:29 |
| jelkner | i also deposited a check from gallaudet | 10:29 |
| jelkner | after school | 10:29 |
| jelkner | for the 20 minutes | 10:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | what time? | 10:29 |
| jelkner | 3:30 pm | 10:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | how about at 5:00 PM? | 10:30 |
| jelkner | sure | 10:30 |
| jelkner | i'm here until our geek meetup at 7 pm | 10:30 |
| jelkner | and then i have that | 10:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | cool. I'll talk to you at 5. I'm going to cut out for a few hours in the middle of the day to help two of my housemates move | 10:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | so I'll be distracted for about 2 hours | 10:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | that will be from 2-4 | 10:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | then I'll be back on | 10:31 |
| jelkner | cool 5 pm | 10:32 |
| jelkner | talk then... | 10:32 |
| lelkneralfaro | alright talk to you then | 10:32 |
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| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, good morning, sorry to have a request as soon as you join, but AEA has encountered some trouble they need your help with | 11:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, their top menu bar has disappeared. | 11:07 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, good morning, looking at it | 11:07 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i just read the logs | 11:07 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, cool. once you fix it I have a few questions about the problem for you. | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, can you check the aea site now? | 11:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, looking now | 11:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, it's back | 11:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, thank you | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, np, the issue is related to a change we did for the attendance button | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, for some reason that fix works in all the other instances but breaks AEA | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i just removed the change for now | 11:15 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, will ask mr_german to investigate | 11:16 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, since he's the one who worked on it | 11:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, weird. yes I saw when I logged in that the attendance was all disabled | 11:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, the registration for the events that is | 11:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I have a question | 11:17 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, yes? | 11:17 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I was looking through the activity logs and wondering what gets logged. | 11:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, does all activity get logged? | 11:18 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, the logging it's really scattered | 11:18 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, no | 11:18 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, just some parts like forms log some activity | 11:19 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, ahh okay. | 11:20 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, and are we talking only about the "Event Log" | 11:20 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, or is there are way for you to see all activity | 11:20 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, through some server investigation? | 11:21 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, the web server has its own logs separated from tendenci | 11:21 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, sometimes you can infer events from them | 11:22 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, like when the damn attendance button doesn't work | 11:22 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, tendenci doesn't log anything | 11:22 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, because it "thinks" it's just a page not found error, which are not a problem | 11:22 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but if i check the server logs, i can see the page not found error comes after the user hits the /attendance/record/ url | 11:23 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, meaning they clicked the button | 11:23 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, so it's like a complement | 11:23 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, the events module has its own logger | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, some user activity is also logged in tendenci | 11:24 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, can you see who, like from what IP address, the activity originates from? | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, yes | 11:24 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, interesting... | 11:24 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, each line in the web server has the IP making the request | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, forging IP addresses is easy though | 11:25 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, is that done through a VPN? | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, not necessarily | 11:25 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I've briefly looked into that | 11:25 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, are you trying to cover your tracks!?!?! :D | 11:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, lol my questions sound suspicious I know :) | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, have you seen some airports give you one free hour of wifi? | 11:26 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I have seen that | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, their systems usually log your mac address | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, from your laptop or device | 11:26 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and then count the time for the session based on it | 11:27 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, not trying to cover my tracks, just curious about all of my info that gets recorded by different sites | 11:27 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, you can even fake your mac address which is unique for each device | 11:27 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, with just a command in linux | 11:27 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, so the system looks for you doesn't find you and give you a new hour | 11:27 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, so it's even possible to fake hardware addresses | 11:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, also interesting lol | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, that's the reason big providers got good "fingerprinting" you | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, they don't only see your IP | 11:28 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, they also see details your browser sends | 11:29 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, they send you cookies to "trick" your browser | 11:29 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, so they identify it | 11:29 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, they assign unique IDs based on that information | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, so they can track all your browsing history in the site | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it's spooky :) | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, tendenci tries to do *some* of that | 11:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes, I think it would be wise to be more conscious of surveillance | 11:30 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but it's not very strict in the way it applies the logging | 11:31 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, if the developer forgets to add logging to the part they're adding, tendenci doesn't complain or do anything about it | 11:31 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, if you go to users and select someone, you'll see their event logs | 11:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, good to know | 11:33 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, that's just a shortcut of course, since it's hard to know what user id a person has | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, you can do the same from the event logs link | 11:34 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, in the dashboard | 11:34 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes I was seeing that this morning | 11:34 |
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| mr_german | replaceafill, hello! | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | good morning mr_german | 12:05 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, saw my email? | 12:05 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, yes! | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, cool | 12:06 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, but, I don't to much progress yet, need little bit more of time. | 12:06 |
| mr_german | don't have* | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, ok | 12:06 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, let's meet at the end of the day | 12:07 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, k | 12:07 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, 3 pm our time | 12:07 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, kk, see you then | 12:07 |
| mr_german | replaceafill, k | 12:07 |
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| replaceafill | ACTION goes to get lunch, bb in ~40 | 14:42 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, you're gray, r u here now? | 15:22 |
| replaceafill | ACTION is back | 15:24 |
| replaceafill | hello jelkner | 15:25 |
| jelkner | time for a meeting? | 15:25 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure | 15:25 |
| jelkner | hangouts | 15:25 |
| jelkner | ? | 15:25 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool | 15:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, let me get my headset | 15:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, https://hangouts.google.com/call/PeUiS160p28uMi5m_jYxAAEE | 15:27 |
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| jelkner | https://opencollective.com/ | 15:44 |
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| replaceafill | thanks jelkner, good meeting with Isaac | 16:17 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, got my questions answered and understand better his usecase | 16:18 |
| zOnny | hey replaceafill | 16:33 |
| replaceafill | hello zOnny | 16:33 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: busy ? | 16:35 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, what do you need? | 16:35 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: Should I work directly in linode server ? | 16:36 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, hang out? | 16:37 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: sure | 16:37 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, https://hangouts.google.com/call/F9vhEOcFX-fX9jr6_GRTAAEE | 16:37 |
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| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I'm ready to meet when you are... | 16:53 |
| jelkner | ready, lelkneralfaro | 16:56 |
| jelkner | phone, here? | 16:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yeah, phone would be better | 16:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, call me | 16:56 |
| zOnny | hey mr_german | 16:59 |
| mr_german | hey zOnny | 17:00 |
| mr_german | zOnny, what do you need? | 17:09 |
| zOnny | mr_german: create a new linode server | 17:09 |
| mr_german | zOnny, yes¿? | 17:09 |
| zOnny | mr_german: Do you have time to give a tour? | 17:10 |
| mr_german | but, we have a doc for that ;) | 17:10 |
| zOnny | mr_german: ah | 17:11 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, would you like mr_german to set it up for you? | 17:11 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: not yet | 17:13 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, cool let us know if you need help | 17:13 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: the tokens step, I need to do again ? | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, not if you have the old one you used for abby | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, i remember you set it to "never expire" | 17:17 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, so that should still work | 17:17 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: right | 17:17 |
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| zOnny | replaceafill: where is that ? | 17:18 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, where is what? | 17:19 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: the token | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, in your notes...? | 17:19 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you can just create a new one if you can't find the old one | 17:19 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: how it should looks like ? | 17:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, like 64 random characters | 17:20 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: I got it | 17:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if you still have the repo you cloned when you created abby's server | 17:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, check if it has the .env file | 17:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, the token should be there | 17:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and you can even use the same repo | 17:21 |
| replaceafill | i *think* | 17:21 |
| jelkner | good news, everyone, lelkneralfaro is going to do the 10 hours per month | 17:22 |
| jelkner | and he came up with a proposal i like | 17:22 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, r u here? | 17:22 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 17:22 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro is proposing we setup some kind of commission for sales | 17:23 |
| jelkner | so that if he is able to bring in business | 17:23 |
| jelkner | he gets a commission | 17:23 |
| jelkner | i told him i could commit the the 10 hours, since i was paying for that myself | 17:24 |
| jelkner | but the commission is a coop decision we would need to make together | 17:24 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, cool, makes sense | 17:24 |
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| zOnny | replaceafill: should I create a new venv ? | 17:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I have a question about your plan for Gallaudet | 17:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, Senda is checking in with me and ready to move forward with work | 17:28 |
| jelkner | shoot, replaceafill | 17:28 |
| jelkner | that's good news | 17:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, and I received the new contract for us to sign | 17:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, but first the meeting about money should happen I think | 17:29 |
| jelkner | a big +1 | 17:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, so what's your plan on that? | 17:29 |
| jelkner | the new contract has a $5K max | 17:29 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, if you're reusing the old clone it's not necessary | 17:29 |
| jelkner | and not money up front | 17:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, nope the new contract has 9990 k max | 17:29 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: cool | 17:29 |
| jelkner | oh | 17:29 |
| jelkner | hmmm... | 17:30 |
| jelkner | when did you see that? | 17:30 |
| jelkner | i saw a link in the email you sent me, lelkneralfaro | 17:30 |
| jelkner | that disappeared | 17:30 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, sorry not $9990K, just $9999.0 | 17:30 |
| jelkner | it said it was no longer available | 17:30 |
| jelkner | $9 more ;-) | 17:30 |
| jelkner | i get it, they needed to come in "under 10K" ;-) | 17:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, actually 9991 thousand less haha | 17:31 |
| jelkner | oh yeah | 17:31 |
| jelkner | anyway | 17:31 |
| jelkner | i didn't see the new contract | 17:31 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I'll send it over again nw | 17:31 |
| jelkner | ACTION awaits its arrival | 17:32 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, just sent | 17:32 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: in this case I have to run the script create.py only | 17:33 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes | 17:34 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, i don't see the rate in this one | 17:35 |
| jelkner | am i missing somthing? | 17:35 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, you are... let me find it... one sec | 17:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, it's in Article IV: Compensation | 17:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, well that's not the rate. it doesn't say anything about $100/hour | 17:37 |
| jelkner | that's what i'm saying | 17:37 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: is this good https://paste.pound-python.org/show/S0n1nL8Z4mO5nQ9qLfBJ/ | 17:37 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I see what you mean. yes that is missing | 17:37 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, oh god | 17:38 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, don't paste passwords here | 17:38 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, .... | 17:38 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: shoot | 17:38 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, facepalm | 17:38 |
| jelkner | we would need that fixed | 17:38 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, could you please delete that linode | 17:38 |
| jelkner | they will want it fixed too | 17:38 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, and create a new one | 17:38 |
| jelkner | it must be an oversight | 17:38 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: my Bad | 17:38 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 17:38 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, be careful | 17:38 |
| jelkner | since that has to be part of the understanding, lelkneralfaro | 17:38 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: forget that | 17:39 |
| jelkner | if replaceafill is ok, and they put in the $100 per hour | 17:39 |
| jelkner | i would vote to sign it and start working | 17:39 |
| jelkner | even without the money up front | 17:39 |
| jelkner | i bet i can ask ubuntourist to loan us the $3K that just arrived | 17:39 |
| jelkner | until we can bill for it from this contract | 17:39 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro but my understanding is that the 9.99k are not guaranteed | 17:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro is that correct? | 17:40 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, not so | 17:40 |
| jelkner | when it says "not to exceed" | 17:40 |
| jelkner | that basically means you can't go over | 17:40 |
| jelkner | but you are expected to go up to | 17:40 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro but if we only work 50 hours? we only get 5k, right? | 17:41 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, you are right | 17:41 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro that's the uncertainty i'm scared of really | 17:41 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro because we have no idea how long this will take | 17:41 |
| jelkner | i don't quite understand that, replaceafill | 17:41 |
| jelkner | we are being paid at $100 per hour | 17:41 |
| jelkner | nice rate | 17:41 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, do you know how long our work will take? | 17:42 |
| jelkner | are you afraid we can't finish in 100 hours? | 17:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, can you estimate it even? | 17:42 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, ubuntourist does | 17:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm afraid we may not cover 100 hours | 17:42 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes, and i haven't read an amount from him yet | 17:42 |
| jelkner | i was hoping you and he had discussed this already | 17:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, replaceafill all three of us have had this conversation previously | 17:42 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, replaceafill may I try to sum up, just to get us on the same page again | 17:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, replaceafill ? | 17:43 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, please | 17:43 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, jelkner cool... so if I am correct, replaceafill's fear is that we don't ultimately get the 100 hours, and this project is not really of interest to us anyway | 17:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, replaceafill so without the guaranteed 100 hours the project loses its appeal | 17:44 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, replaceafill I don't know if ubuntourist would know how many hours they are going to need | 17:45 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, replaceafill although he may have an idea | 17:45 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, replaceafill so it would be good to check in with him | 17:45 |
| jelkner | finished, lelkneralfaro? | 17:46 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, finished. I hope that was helpful | 17:46 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it was, thanks | 17:47 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, thoughts? | 17:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, ask Kevin for his estimate | 17:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i mean, we should ask Kevin for his estimate :) | 17:47 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro all my understanding from gallaudet at this point has come from email exchanges and code repositories | 17:49 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro and from the code repositories i mean specifically the ARA one | 17:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro i reviewed what Kevin and Brian had to do for the last few years | 17:50 |
| jelkner | ACTION just sent an email to ubuntourist | 17:50 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, perfect thanks | 17:51 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, are you getting at that it does not look like the workload has been very heavy? | 17:52 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, from what you have investigated? | 17:52 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, the coding work | 17:52 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, my *hope* is that some of the work will come from database or server side work | 17:52 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, maintainance or fixing text to be printed correctly | 17:52 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, instead of modifying code or templates | 17:53 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes, I'm getting the impression that the issues they have highlighted so far that the coding work doesn't look like much | 17:53 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, instead is not the right word, i mean "not only from" modifying code | 17:53 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, +1 | 17:54 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, so I understand what you are coming from | 17:54 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, jelkner in any case.... i guess we need the money | 17:55 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, jelkner so if you and Kevin think we should do it, let's do it | 17:55 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, lelkneralfaro, i'll weigh-in when you are ready | 17:55 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, jelkner and i'll try to complain less and less :P | 17:55 |
| lelkneralfaro | I'll say one last thing | 17:55 |
| replaceafill | ACTION done | 17:56 |
| jelkner | ACTION waits for lelkneralfaro's one last thing | 17:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, replaceafill partly through Kevin's input, and in part asking Senda (although I am uncertain she would have the answer) we should try to nail down what all the job tasks would be and how long it has taken in the past | 17:56 |
| lelkneralfaro | ACTION done | 17:56 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, i thought we were doing that | 17:57 |
| jelkner | sorry to hear we haven't been | 17:57 |
| jelkner | anyway, here are my thoughts: | 17:57 |
| jelkner | 1. We would be foolish to walk away from this money, especially since Gallaudet is responsible for most of NOVA Web Development's income over the last 3 years. | 17:58 |
| jelkner | 2. Much of this job may fall on lelkneralfaro, who could be a big help to the cooperative by working the hours he wants, billing us at $30 per hour, and leaving the rest to help fund the other devs. | 17:59 |
| jelkner | by "much of this job" i mean the running around campus getting stuff | 17:59 |
| jelkner | that ubuntourist told us was part of the process | 17:59 |
| jelkner | 3. replaceafill has already spent significant time on this | 18:00 |
| jelkner | and billed nothing | 18:00 |
| jelkner | we only benefit from that if we move forward | 18:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i can give you a number | 18:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and it's not significant | 18:00 |
| jelkner | ok | 18:00 |
| jelkner | i sit corrected | 18:00 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i've been careful about that | 18:01 |
| jelkner | ACTION is finished | 18:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro i guess seeing them at least moving this week | 18:01 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, jelkner with the agreements and all that **** | 18:02 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, jelkner gives me hope and make this less annoying | 18:02 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, jelkner and i know i shouldn't be annoyed (yet) | 18:02 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, jelkner but it makes me think "hey, finally!" | 18:02 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, jelkner "and at least we're still in september" | 18:02 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, lelkneralfaro, i am not one bit surprised by the timing | 18:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, cool. if you're in, that's what we need :) | 18:03 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, O | 18:03 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist plainly told us it would be so | 18:03 |
| jelkner | he said it is like this every year | 18:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I'll respond to the point about us not having a detailed understanding about the time and tasks required for the job | 18:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, just so you are updated | 18:04 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, when I met with Senda she shared some issues with me regarding access to their databases and problems with forms. | 18:04 |
| jelkner | yes, i am aware | 18:04 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, you sent me the correspondence | 18:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, but they have not organized this project in such a way to say we need x amount of hours on this | 18:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, y amount of hours on that | 18:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, that's not how they are approaching this, it's much more disorganized and ad hoc | 18:05 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, as you know | 18:05 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, ubuntourist *clearly* told us that "dissorganized and ad hoc" is the modus operandi | 18:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, so Kevin would be the one to answer questions about how long it has taken in the past. I doubt they could put a number on it | 18:06 |
| jelkner | and that we should expect that | 18:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, undersood | 18:06 |
| lelkneralfaro | ACTION done | 18:06 |
| jelkner | i work in a school system | 18:06 |
| jelkner | so disorganized and ad hoc | 18:07 |
| jelkner | is what i deal with every day | 18:07 |
| jelkner | we can learn to ride that | 18:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i remember when you said that it might be different this time since it wasn't a Chip vs Kevin situation | 18:07 |
| jelkner | and, replaceafill, you can do it without too much stress | 18:07 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, and we would have like a fresh start | 18:07 |
| jelkner | if you just focus on doing what you know is important and letting the other shit fall where it wants too | 18:07 |
| jelkner | s/too/to | 18:08 |
| jelkner | lol | 18:08 |
| jelkner | let's do it | 18:08 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro i guess the sooner we decide the better, right? since we would get some tasks *now* | 18:08 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, are you good with the $30 per hour billable as hours? | 18:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, indeed. it seems they are ready to move | 18:08 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I am | 18:09 |
| jelkner | sweet | 18:09 |
| jelkner | that's good for all of us then | 18:09 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, lelkneralfaro +1 | 18:09 |
| replaceafill | so lelkneralfaro will start working hourly on october? | 18:09 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, but... what's the plan for September. or at least up to this point | 18:09 |
| jelkner | yes | 18:09 |
| replaceafill | cool, glad to know you'll still be around lelkneralfaro | 18:10 |
| jelkner | that's what i was saying we need to approve as a coop | 18:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, $2k for me this month? | 18:10 |
| jelkner | but we have 3 votes here | 18:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, me too :D | 18:10 |
| jelkner | +1 | 18:10 |
| jelkner | that isn't up for discussion | 18:10 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, cool sounds good to me. | 18:10 |
| jelkner | it is owed to you | 18:10 |
| jelkner | we currently owe: | 18:11 |
| jelkner | replaceafill: $3K | 18:11 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro and zOnny: $2K | 18:11 |
| jelkner | mr_german has been paid | 18:11 |
| jelkner | i want to ask ubuntourist if he will loan us $3K | 18:11 |
| jelkner | then we can pay everyone what they are owed | 18:12 |
| jelkner | and get working on october | 18:12 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, to survive, we need to work out that commission thing you proposed | 18:13 |
| jelkner | this gig is easy | 18:13 |
| jelkner | cause it pays so well | 18:13 |
| jelkner | but what do you get for bringing in a basic website? | 18:13 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, good question. | 18:14 |
| jelkner | like the $500 one zOnny did. | 18:14 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I'll have to think about it. before throwing out numbers | 18:14 |
| jelkner | we need to work out these numbers | 18:14 |
| jelkner | +1 | 18:14 |
| jelkner | we need to learn to make our finances work | 18:15 |
| jelkner | so we can continue in operation | 18:15 |
| jelkner | anyway, you'll be plenty busy in october with gallaudet | 18:15 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, the $500 one came to us, the work of going out to find them will be different. but some online advertising should probably be in our near future | 18:15 |
| jelkner | so we don't have to worry about that until november | 18:15 |
| jelkner | let me take care of that | 18:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, I think it needs to be in place by November | 18:16 |
| jelkner | since there is not clear way to bill for the hours | 18:16 |
| jelkner | you have no direct way of measuring its effectiveness | 18:16 |
| jelkner | we need to get jelkner to do those things | 18:16 |
| jelkner | since he doesn't charge us ;-) | 18:16 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, _1 | 18:17 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, +1 | 18:17 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, replaceafill that everything? | 18:17 |
| replaceafill | nothing else from me lelkneralfaro | 18:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | cool. so, in summary, we'll move forward with Gallaudet, I can sign the agreement, we don't need another meeting with them | 18:18 |
| lelkneralfaro | sound right? | 18:18 |
| jelkner | +1 | 18:19 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 18:19 |
| jelkner | and i don't have to go in next wednesday | 18:19 |
| jelkner | yipee! | 18:19 |
| replaceafill | ¬¬ | 18:19 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, replaceafill :D cool thanks for your time | 18:19 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, jelkner thank *you* | 18:19 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, perhaps you should go in | 18:19 |
| jelkner | since you can bill for the time | 18:19 |
| jelkner | once we sign the contract | 18:19 |
| jelkner | it can be part of the planning process | 18:19 |
| jelkner | since it is already scheduled | 18:20 |
| lelkneralfaro | that sounds good | 18:20 |
| jelkner | indeed | 18:20 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: Do I need access to this https://imgur.com/a/w9w5MJO | 18:20 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, please get them to put the rate back in the contract | 18:20 |
| jelkner | and they sign it | 18:20 |
| jelkner | and then sign it | 18:20 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, yes | 18:21 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, did lelkneralfaro give you access to the fipol.net domain? | 18:21 |
| jelkner | if that is all, lelkneralfaro, replaceafill, i have school stuff to do | 18:21 |
| jelkner | so give me the word and i'm outta here | 18:21 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i'm done | 18:21 |
| lelkneralfaro | sounds good to me | 18:22 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: Did you get that ? | 18:22 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, replaceafill i did not give acess | 18:22 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, zOnny I can do that now | 18:22 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, i was thinking | 18:22 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, you should give me access to any domain we buy | 18:22 |
| jelkner | lelkneralfaro, can i go now? | 18:22 |
| lelkneralfaro | jelkner, yes, that's okay with me | 18:22 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: thnks | 18:22 |
| jelkner | goodnight all | 18:22 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 18:22 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, yes I know we did that last time. does zOnny get access if I give you access? | 18:23 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, no | 18:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, or can you give him access? | 18:23 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and i can't give him | 18:23 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but i can set it up for him | 18:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, ahh okay | 18:23 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, ideally you would give access to the developer in charge | 18:23 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, and me just in case | 18:23 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, do you have an account? | 18:24 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: good question | 18:24 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: yes, I do have an account | 18:25 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, I don't recall exactly what to do. to share do I use your namecheap account name? | 18:26 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, sorry i have never done that | 18:27 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, but you used mine last time replaceafillnova | 18:27 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, did I put in your email last time? | 18:27 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, or at least you asked me for it :D | 18:27 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/192/46/how-do-i-share-access-to-my-domain-with-other-users | 18:27 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, it can be any, email or username | 18:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, just initiated the process to grant you access rights | 18:28 |
| lelkneralfaro | replaceafill, maybe you will get an email | 18:28 |
| zOnny | equinteros :D | 18:29 |
| replaceafill | lelkneralfaro, yes i got it | 18:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, cool I'll initiate the process to grant you rights now | 18:29 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, just initiated the process | 18:30 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: ? | 18:32 |
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| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, did you get an email? | 18:32 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: nice | 18:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, great | 18:33 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, replaceafill okay folks I'm going to sign off | 18:36 |
| zOnny | lelkneralfaro: NO | 18:36 |
| replaceafill | thanks lelkneralfaro, ttyl | 18:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | zOnny, lol. I'll take that as a YES | 18:36 |
| lelkneralfaro | see you tomorrow | 18:36 |
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| zOnny | replaceafill: should I use the same vars.yml | 18:55 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, you need to adjust them to the new domain and set a new pasword | 18:56 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: ok | 18:56 |
| zOnny | Does it matter the order ? | 18:57 |
| zOnny | re | 18:57 |
| zOnny | replaceafill: | 18:57 |
| replaceafill | zOnny, no | 18:57 |
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