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| replaceafill | hello jelkner | 10:29 |
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| ubuntourist | Yawn | 10:33 |
| ubuntourist | Caffeine just not cutting it this morning. I haven't even made it to my morning torture yet. | 10:33 |
| replaceafill | hey ubuntourist | 10:34 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, pong | 10:34 |
| jelkner | sorry | 10:34 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, np | 10:35 |
| jelkner | i just sent an email | 10:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, my initial reaction has been "i can't" | 10:36 |
| replaceafill | and i think that's the wise thing for me to do | 10:36 |
| replaceafill | but i wanted your opinion and maybe you should be the one replying Senda not me | 10:37 |
| jelkner | i disagree | 10:37 |
| jelkner | this is a discussion for nova web development | 10:37 |
| jelkner | the contract is with the coop | 10:37 |
| replaceafill | i know that | 10:38 |
| ubuntourist | As jelkner says, Gallaudet's where the "big money" has been so far. But I'm not about to take it back in more than an "advisory" capacity. | 10:38 |
| replaceafill | i'm saying "I - Douglas - can't work on this" | 10:38 |
| jelkner | i get that | 10:38 |
| jelkner | so we need to talk about this with kevin, edzon, german | 10:38 |
| jelkner | and figure out how nova web development could | 10:39 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 10:39 |
| replaceafill | so you're replying Senda, right? | 10:39 |
| ubuntourist | I want to know how quickly Senda's moving to another division, and who will be "liasing" in her place. | 10:39 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, we need your guidance on this | 10:39 |
| jelkner | since you know the internal workings (as you clearly stated in your emails) | 10:40 |
| jelkner | i can act as "business manager" in the sense of replying once the devs tell me "we got this covered" | 10:41 |
| jelkner | and i can setup the contract, working with diego, etc. | 10:41 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I will try to catch Senda in person on Friday and see if I can get clarification on what she wants. | 10:41 |
| jelkner | +1 | 10:41 |
| jelkner | let's put this on our agenda for sunday | 10:41 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, would you be available for advice / mentoring / thoughts on what you encountered last year? | 10:42 |
| jelkner | ACTION is feeling nervous about how long replaceafill is taking to respond to this ;-) | 10:43 |
| ubuntourist | If we do make it a team effort, as jelkner I have a general knowledge of the book and the old system that I designed. You've had some experience with "honkin' big" projects | 10:43 |
| ubuntourist | (you = replaceafill ) and have more up-to-date knowledge of Django as it exists today. | 10:44 |
| jelkner | and if we can bring edzon and german along for the ride | 10:44 |
| jelkner | they could really grow their skills by working along side | 10:45 |
| jelkner | and we could earn money for them to live on | 10:45 |
| replaceafill | you're the optimistic one jelkner | 10:45 |
| replaceafill | and you'e usually right | 10:45 |
| jelkner | well, replaceafill, we either take a chance or give up | 10:45 |
| replaceafill | i prefer to save any rants at this point | 10:45 |
| jelkner | i'm too stubborn and stupid to give up | 10:45 |
| jelkner | as well you know | 10:46 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, That's kind of where I'm heading... My sense is that replaceafill currently also has the best sense of whether Edzon and German can handle it and how much support they might need from me and him. | 10:46 |
| jelkner | it worked out last time, replaceafill | 10:46 |
| jelkner | you got paid in full | 10:46 |
| jelkner | and it didn't kill you | 10:46 |
| replaceafill | i was focused 100% | 10:47 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, he's usually right???? ;-) | 10:47 |
| jelkner | lol | 10:47 |
| replaceafill | this time i can't commit, sorry | 10:47 |
| jelkner | not 100% | 10:47 |
| jelkner | but what about supporting like ubuntourist asked? | 10:47 |
| replaceafill | and without an experienced lead developer i don't think you can design this in 4 months | 10:48 |
| replaceafill | sure, i still can answer questions | 10:48 |
| jelkner | kevin is an experienced lead developer | 10:48 |
| jelkner | he is just feeling a bit intimidated by the scope | 10:49 |
| jelkner | we should first of all find out what the budget is | 10:49 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, it is crazy just to walk away | 10:49 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, That's why I want to talk to Senda: When she says "design a database" does she really understand what she's saying? Or is she really saying "Enter new data into the existing system in a better way" | 10:50 |
| replaceafill | i've done more stupid things in my life my friend | 10:50 |
| jelkner | you are essentially saying, "i don't want nova web development to succeed" | 10:50 |
| replaceafill | this has got me thinking | 10:50 |
| replaceafill | maybe it's time for me to go, really | 10:50 |
| ubuntourist | If it's the later, then it may closer to Edzon's and German's skills. If it's the former, I agree with replaceafill. It's a big honkin' task. | 10:50 |
| replaceafill | i like to help Edzon and German, i really do | 10:50 |
| replaceafill | but it's vey difficult doing it on a Sunday basis you know | 10:51 |
| replaceafill | lots of remembering you need to do | 10:51 |
| replaceafill | not being sure where things are, etc | 10:51 |
| jelkner | so, replaceafill, those are big thoughts you are having | 10:52 |
| jelkner | and you know yourself | 10:52 |
| jelkner | so don't make a big decision in haste | 10:52 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Also, I'm a "one trick pony" I'm still on the Sound Advice project, and unlike you, my friend, I don't like to take on more than I can chew, and then say "I'm completely overbooked!" | 10:52 |
| jelkner | i hear you | 10:52 |
| jelkner | any member may want to leave the coop at any time | 10:52 |
| replaceafill | wise ubuntourist :) | 10:52 |
| jelkner | we've talked a lot about that | 10:52 |
| jelkner | the goal will be to scale up | 10:53 |
| ubuntourist | I still owe Brian a beer for his part in continuing to shepherd this project along a bit. | 10:53 |
| replaceafill | :) | 10:53 |
| jelkner | but replaceafill, this is not the best time to pull the plug | 10:54 |
| jelkner | anyway, we don't have to answer now | 10:55 |
| replaceafill | yes, finding out more about their goals/budget would be helpful | 10:55 |
| jelkner | of course it would | 10:55 |
| jelkner | it's silly to make a decision without knowing that | 10:56 |
| replaceafill | can you take care of communication with Senda without me? | 10:56 |
| jelkner | if the budget is sufficient we could hire help | 10:56 |
| ubuntourist | As I ranted in e-mail, some of the problem will be the entrenched nature and lack of unified will to change procedures for the better -- without planning ahead a few years. | 10:59 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, im not sure who's doing what Senda did last year | 10:59 |
| ubuntourist | So, any "improvements" will be constrained by the structure already in place. | 11:00 |
| replaceafill | but that's a required position in any workflow | 11:00 |
| replaceafill | (cleaning other's people mess) | 11:00 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, Yeah from her message about moving to a different division, I want to know (a) did Chip finally drive her crazy or was it simply a better offer, and (b) who is Chip's next victim? | 11:01 |
| replaceafill | :D | 11:01 |
| replaceafill | for the record, my working relationship with Gallaudet was 10/10 :P | 11:02 |
| jelkner | 10/10? | 11:02 |
| replaceafill | again, i was 100% committed | 11:02 |
| replaceafill | i mean, i can't complain | 11:02 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, 10 out of 10. | 11:02 |
| jelkner | ahh | 11:02 |
| jelkner | that's great | 11:02 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, can we hangout during lunch? | 11:02 |
| jelkner | or are you unavailable then? | 11:03 |
| replaceafill | let me check your times again | 11:04 |
| jelkner | 12:30 to 1:30 pm | 11:04 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, Senda and most of the other folks in the department are okay. Especially Rue, who did her damnedest to tap down Chip's chaos. Fortunately, my sense of last year was that Chip interfered less than previous years. | 11:04 |
| jelkner | more like 12:40 pm | 11:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, 1 pm works for me | 11:04 |
| jelkner | perfect | 11:04 |
| jelkner | do hangouts still work? | 11:05 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, yes | 11:05 |
| jelkner | cool | 11:05 |
| jelkner | btw. do you have whatsapp? | 11:05 |
| jelkner | my wife says that's how she calls folks in el salvador | 11:05 |
| replaceafill | nope | 11:05 |
| jelkner | i just got it on my phone since i needed | 11:05 |
| ubuntourist | I'm off to the elliptical / torture machine, then food -- a late breakfast -- and then getting ready for music lesson. I'll get a summary later if needed. | 11:06 |
| ubuntourist | But, replaceafill quickly, before hanging up today: | 11:06 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, :D | 11:06 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, how quickly can we set up an instance of what was there when you left it, so that people can get their feet wet with the existing system in a sandbox? | 11:07 |
| replaceafill | that'll be a problem for me | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | i lost most of my Gallaudet notes on december | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | but i'm sure we can figure it out | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | it's a mess as you know | 11:08 |
| replaceafill | for the record i lost all my data from oct-december because i'm stupid... | 11:09 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, Sadly, yes, and sadly, I feel I contributed to it. | 11:09 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, nah, it's software aging :) | 11:09 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, developer aging. | 11:10 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, and developer raging. | 11:10 |
| replaceafill | :)) | 11:10 |
| ubuntourist | Anyway, since jelkner has to split for a bit, I'm calling it quits for now. | 11:11 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, you still have access to that server, right? | 11:11 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, sure | 11:11 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, ttyl | 11:11 |
| replaceafill | i should go to work too :) | 11:12 |
| ubuntourist | replaceafill, I *think* I have access... Haven't poked around on that in a while. (It REALLY needs to get reimaged so that the Red Hat updates work again.) | 11:12 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION prepares for the daily assault | 11:13 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner, is now a good time? | 13:02 |
| jelkner | yes | 13:03 |
| jelkner | i have my headset on | 13:03 |
| jelkner | just sent an invite | 13:03 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, https://novawebdevelopment.org/hangout | 13:04 |
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