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| kgrieco | hi jelkner | 10:07 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, kgrieco | 10:07 |
| jelkner | and Sambrem, didn't mean to leave you out! :-) | 10:08 |
| jelkner | no zOnny yet? | 10:08 |
| Sambrem | Hi jelkner! | 10:08 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, Sambrem, i'm in the middle of going through the Django Girls Tutorial | 10:09 |
| jelkner | it is a pretty amazing resource | 10:10 |
| jelkner | great intro to the whole tech stack for web application development | 10:10 |
| kgrieco | oh nie | 10:11 |
| jelkner | so unless you need me for anything, i'll return to my study | 10:11 |
| kgrieco | nice | 10:11 |
| Sambrem | Sounds good | 10:11 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, Sambrem, nrcerna went to open a bank account | 10:11 |
| jelkner | we are trying to get our financial setup in order while i'm here | 10:12 |
| jelkner | so she'll be a bit late | 10:12 |
| kgrieco | oh ok | 10:12 |
| Sambrem | Thank you for letting me know! | 10:12 |
| jelkner | btw, Sambrem, since you are interested in Graphic Design | 10:14 |
| jelkner | check out https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKo5AZlvOhYDkLyNk66mCRfH1DatTCeU/view?usp=sharing | 10:14 |
| jelkner | it is Natalia's graduation portfolio | 10:14 |
| Sambrem | Thanks! | 10:14 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, zOnny | 11:08 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, Sambrem, is zOnny there with you? | 11:09 |
| Sambrem | Yes. | 11:09 |
| zOnny | jelkner: good morning | 11:09 |
| jelkner | zOnny, do you have a few minutes to meet with me? | 11:10 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ok | 11:10 |
| jelkner | several things: | 11:10 |
| jelkner | 1. repleacafill is coming next weekend to sprint with us | 11:11 |
| jelkner | can you change your schedule this week so you have off thursday and friday and can work saturday and sunday? | 11:11 |
| jelkner | ACTION waits patiently for zOnny to respond... | 11:12 |
| zOnny | jelkner: uhhmm | 11:13 |
| jelkner | i would understand no or yes, but i'm afraid i don't know what uhhmm means | 11:13 |
| zOnny | jelkner: Do you need an answer right now? | 11:14 |
| jelkner | well, what's the issue? | 11:14 |
| jelkner | it would be helpful to plan | 11:14 |
| zOnny | jelkner: I see | 11:15 |
| jelkner | if you have something scheduled already, i guess the answer is no | 11:15 |
| zOnny | jelkner: I can change it. | 11:15 |
| jelkner | up to you | 11:15 |
| jelkner | replaceafill can work with GFbot | 11:15 |
| jelkner | you don't need to be here | 11:15 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ok | 11:16 |
| jelkner | i just thought you might want to | 11:16 |
| jelkner | ok, so nrcerna and GFbot will be off thursday and friday | 11:16 |
| jelkner | zOnny will stick to the original schedule | 11:16 |
| jelkner | next item | 11:16 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ok | 11:16 |
| jelkner | let's meet wednesday at 11 am to discuss our operating agreement | 11:17 |
| jelkner | with the goal of signing it sunday | 11:17 |
| jelkner | i just sent an email to that effect | 11:17 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist is often slow or mia on replies | 11:17 |
| jelkner | but if we are going to get what needs to be done while i'm here completed | 11:18 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ok | 11:18 |
| jelkner | we can't drag our feet | 11:18 |
| jelkner | please take a look at the agreement | 11:18 |
| jelkner | and be ready to raise any objections or suggest any changes you would like | 11:19 |
| jelkner | at our meeting on wednesday | 11:19 |
| jelkner | cool | 11:19 |
| jelkner | next item | 11:19 |
| jelkner | is hrodriguez there with you? | 11:19 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ok | 11:19 |
| zOnny | jelkner: who? | 11:19 |
| jelkner | heylin | 11:19 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ah | 11:20 |
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| jelkner | there we go | 11:20 |
| jelkner | she is there | 11:20 |
| jelkner | good morning, hrodriguez | 11:20 |
| hrodriguez | Good morning jelkner | 11:20 |
| jelkner | do you have a few minutes to chat with me after i finish with zOnny? | 11:20 |
| hrodriguez | jelkner, yes | 11:21 |
| jelkner | great | 11:21 |
| jelkner | zOnny, last item | 11:21 |
| jelkner | what is your plan for emailing susan today? | 11:21 |
| jelkner | do you want help with that? | 11:21 |
| zOnny | jelkner: yes | 11:21 |
| jelkner | so, can you please make a rough draft and send it to me for editing | 11:22 |
| jelkner | i'll edit it, send it back to you, and then you can send it to her | 11:22 |
| jelkner | sound good? | 11:22 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ok | 11:22 |
| jelkner | cool, that's all i have | 11:22 |
| jelkner | do you need anything from me, zOnny? | 11:23 |
| zOnny | jelkner: I'm fine | 11:23 |
| jelkner | sweet, i'll let you get back to work then | 11:23 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, how's the new house? | 11:23 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ttyl | 11:23 |
| jelkner | you moved in, right? | 11:23 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, r u here? | 11:24 |
| hrodriguez | jelkner, It's a little bit far from Arlington but its nice | 11:24 |
| hrodriguez | Yes | 11:24 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, please send me your new address | 11:24 |
| jelkner | we will need to update it for NOVALACIRO | 11:25 |
| hrodriguez | jelkner, 7100 Murphy CT, Temple Hills MD | 11:25 |
| jelkner | thanks | 11:25 |
| hrodriguez | jelkner, you're welcome | 11:26 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, did you finish with the insurance report that CCHD needs? | 11:26 |
| hrodriguez | I have a question jelkner, Who is the certificate holder | 11:27 |
| jelkner | i'm not sure i know what a certificate holder is | 11:27 |
| jelkner | NOVALACIRO, right? | 11:27 |
| hrodriguez | The guy responded to me this morning asking me for it, | 11:28 |
| hrodriguez | yes for NOVALACIRO | 11:28 |
| jelkner | We have insurance under NOVALACIRO | 11:28 |
| jelkner | so, was he happy with that? | 11:28 |
| jelkner | btw. hrodriguez, you owe me a time sheet for last week | 11:29 |
| jelkner | i didn't get it friday | 11:29 |
| jelkner | i assumed your moving had you distracted | 11:29 |
| hrodriguez | He is asking me about the name and the address of the certificate holder | 11:29 |
| hrodriguez | yes, I'll send to you ASAP | 11:30 |
| jelkner | Well, I went to the office to get the insurance | 11:30 |
| jelkner | so try Jeff Elkner | 11:30 |
| jelkner | 5041 7th Road South, #T1 | 11:30 |
| jelkner | Arlington, VA 22204 | 11:30 |
| hrodriguez | Perfect, Thanks | 11:30 |
| jelkner | Last question, hrodriguez | 11:31 |
| jelkner | what is your plan for today? | 11:31 |
| jelkner | and before you answer that | 11:31 |
| jelkner | let me grab my phone so we can WhatsApp | 11:31 |
| hrodriguez | Work on NOVALACIRO Website and go out to knock door in the afternoon | 11:31 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, can you call me please? | 11:32 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: me and Sambrem won't be here on Wednesday just as a heads-up, because we have another PRIME event | 11:40 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, i understand | 11:42 |
| jelkner | i'm here every day | 11:42 |
| jelkner | so you have plenty of flexibility in meeting your hours | 11:43 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, r u back yet? | 11:43 |
| hrodriguez | jelkner, yes | 11:44 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, here is a link to the Django Girls Tutorial: https://tutorial.djangogirls.org/en/ | 11:45 |
| jelkner | it's even available in Spanish now! | 11:45 |
| jelkner | spend your time today going through that | 11:45 |
| jelkner | when you're finished, you should have an account on PythonAnywhere with a running blog app | 11:45 |
| jelkner | have fun! | 11:46 |
| hrodriguez | wow that's nice | 11:46 |
| jelkner | it's a great tutorial | 11:46 |
| hrodriguez | thank you so much | 11:46 |
| jelkner | your welcome | 11:46 |
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| jelkner | nrcerna, where are you? | 11:54 |
| jelkner | zOnny, can you give me edit rights please? | 11:54 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, one more thing you need to do today | 11:54 |
| jelkner | ask zOnny to look at why the email isn't working | 11:55 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, remind him that is billable work | 11:55 |
| jelkner | so we will want to invoice NOVALACIRO for his time | 11:55 |
| jelkner | but you need your novalaciro.org email to work | 11:55 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ok | 11:56 |
| jelkner | zOnny, i have rewritten the email | 12:04 |
| jelkner | take a look | 12:04 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ok | 12:04 |
| jelkner | the important thing when writing to a customer like this is to tell them what they need to know | 12:04 |
| jelkner | and nothing else | 12:05 |
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| jelkner | she doesn't want technical details | 12:05 |
| zOnny | jelkner: It seems better | 12:05 |
| zOnny | jelkner: sent | 12:05 |
| jelkner | oops | 12:05 |
| jelkner | too fast | 12:05 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ? | 12:05 |
| jelkner | did you cc kevin and me? | 12:05 |
| zOnny | jelkner: Oops too fast | 12:05 |
| jelkner | another good protocol | 12:06 |
| jelkner | whenever you mention someone in the body of an email | 12:06 |
| jelkner | it is proper to cc them | 12:06 |
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| jelkner | now kevin doesn't even know we told susan he can explain | 12:06 |
| jelkner | so forward it to him, please | 12:06 |
| zOnny | jelkner: what the subject should be? | 12:07 |
| jelkner | when you forward, do you need a subject? | 12:07 |
| jelkner | you already sent it, yes? | 12:07 |
| zOnny | jelkner: -.- | 12:07 |
| jelkner | forward it to me at the same time | 12:07 |
| zOnny | jelkner: It wasn't sent yet | 12:08 |
| jelkner | ahh, nice! | 12:08 |
| zOnny | jelkner: "RAGU" report ? | 12:09 |
| jelkner | good title would be: Status update for Annual Report of Achievements application | 12:09 |
| jelkner | RAGU is ubuntourist's short name | 12:09 |
| jelkner | use the official one in official correspondence | 12:10 |
| jelkner | cc ubuntourist and me | 12:10 |
| jelkner | Sambrem, nrcerna16 is here | 12:10 |
| Sambrem | Yeah, we're talking a little in #novawebdev_learn | 12:12 |
| jelkner | So, when we plan for our business, we should do it here | 12:12 |
| jelkner | the other channel is for learning | 12:12 |
| jelkner | things that would just clutter our logs here | 12:13 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 12:13 |
| Sambrem | Makes sense. | 12:13 |
| nrcerna16 | +1 | 12:13 |
| jelkner | So, Elizabeth's website looks good already | 12:13 |
| jelkner | and is a CMS | 12:13 |
| jelkner | so it doesn't make sense to try to redesign it | 12:13 |
| jelkner | a good learning exercise, perhaps, but not valuable directly | 12:13 |
| jelkner | so, i have a proposal that would be both a good learning exercise *and* a potential win for us | 12:14 |
| jelkner | Sambrem, i would like you and nrcerna16 to work up a really nice design for: | 12:15 |
| jelkner | https://www.greennewdealva.com/ | 12:15 |
| jelkner | i plan to offer to donate a LibreOrganize site to the coalition if they are interested | 12:15 |
| jelkner | it is a cause i deeply support | 12:15 |
| jelkner | and it would be great advertising for our coop | 12:16 |
| jelkner | the coalition brings together partners from many important organizations across virginia | 12:16 |
| jelkner | if we did this website, they would all know about us | 12:16 |
| Sambrem | Alright, so we'll be redesigning the whole website? | 12:18 |
| jelkner | Sambrem, i made a few suggestions to nrcerna16 about how to approach this | 12:20 |
| nrcerna16 | Yes Sambrem, I mean we are going to propose the design and then Gfbot or zOnny could do it | 12:20 |
| nrcerna16 | Nice, tell me :) | 12:20 |
| jelkner | the plan will be for me to send an email to the organizers saying that we value what they are doing and would like to donate a new website to their cause | 12:21 |
| jelkner | they will have to decide whether they want that or not | 12:21 |
| jelkner | so, to increase the chances that they like what they see | 12:21 |
| jelkner | make it much better, to be sure, but try to honor some of the aesthetic you see in the current site. | 12:22 |
| jelkner | this isn't an artistic recommendation | 12:22 |
| jelkner | i'm not qualified to give you that | 12:22 |
| jelkner | its an interpersonal relationship suggestion | 12:23 |
| jelkner | the current site was created by someone who took time to say how it should look | 12:23 |
| jelkner | they "put themselves" into the site | 12:23 |
| jelkner | it is more likely they will feel all warm and fuzzy about the new site if they can "see themselves" in it | 12:24 |
| jelkner | does that make sense? | 12:24 |
| Sambrem | For sure! | 12:24 |
| jelkner | cool | 12:24 |
| jelkner | go forth and create beauty, Sambrem and nrcerna16! | 12:25 |
| jelkner | and have fun | 12:26 |
| nrcerna16 | Ok I think we are going to switch to learn Channel Sambrem :) | 12:26 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: do you have any tasks for me? I've been looking over the SchoolTool Book and the source | 12:27 |
| jelkner | so, kgrieco, like we discussed saturday | 12:29 |
| jelkner | your task is to write a nice work of fiction | 12:29 |
| jelkner | a work of technical fiction | 12:29 |
| jelkner | that describes the functioning of a product that doesn't yet exist | 12:30 |
| jelkner | it does exist partially | 12:30 |
| jelkner | but we want to describe how we want it to work | 12:30 |
| jelkner | now how it works now | 12:30 |
| jelkner | maybe you should start getting to know how it really works | 12:30 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: I don't think I was there for that discussion. The last I was told was to look over the SchoolTool Book on Friday | 12:30 |
| jelkner | ahh, i meant friday | 12:31 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: Is there a way to access LibreOrganize | 12:31 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: on the website, nothing is clickable | 12:31 |
| jelkner | zOnny, is there a good sandbox where kgrieco can play? | 12:31 |
| jelkner | we need an instance of Tendenci / LibreOranize so he can use this week to learn how it works | 12:32 |
| jelkner | then for his last two weeks he can work on the documentation for what we want it to be | 12:32 |
| jelkner | zOnny, should we just give him an account on our own website? | 12:33 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: by the way, my last day is actually next Friday July 26 | 12:33 |
| jelkner | oh | 12:33 |
| jelkner | so we need to speed things up then | 12:33 |
| jelkner | compress the timeline | 12:33 |
| jelkner | so, zOnny, should we just give him an account on our own server? | 12:34 |
| jelkner | if he promises to try real hard not to break anything too badly? | 12:34 |
| jelkner | we want him to work on the LibreOrganize book | 12:34 |
| zOnny | jelkner: a new user? | 12:34 |
| jelkner | you tell me, zOnny | 12:34 |
| zOnny | jelkner: or using admin only? | 12:34 |
| jelkner | your the boss | 12:34 |
| zOnny | jelkner: either one works for me. | 12:35 |
| jelkner | ahh | 12:35 |
| jelkner | like we said before | 12:35 |
| jelkner | using admin is bad practice | 12:35 |
| jelkner | there is no accountability | 12:35 |
| jelkner | you don't know who did what from a shared account | 12:35 |
| jelkner | basic accountability says give him his own account | 12:35 |
| jelkner | let's set up a kgrieco account | 12:36 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, you will then be able to be part of our design discussion | 12:36 |
| jelkner | we will be talking a lot this weekend | 12:36 |
| jelkner | so when you come back next monday | 12:36 |
| jelkner | you should be a ready as possible to work on the LibreOrganize book | 12:37 |
| jelkner | you've already helped a lot, btw | 12:37 |
| jelkner | so you are ahead already | 12:37 |
| kgrieco | cool jelkner | 12:37 |
| jelkner | but if you can get a look at how tendenci works | 12:37 |
| jelkner | you'll understand our problem | 12:37 |
| jelkner | with is to hide most of its features | 12:38 |
| jelkner | and customize the ones we want to keep | 12:38 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, any questions? | 12:38 |
| jelkner | ACTION gives kgrieco proper teacher wait time :-) | 12:39 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: do you want me to find a way to hide those elements, or mostly focus on the documentation aspect? | 12:39 |
| jelkner | oh no | 12:39 |
| jelkner | if you could do that, you'd be making $120K as a software developer! | 12:40 |
| jelkner | we only want you to understand the problem | 12:40 |
| jelkner | so you can write our fictional documentation | 12:40 |
| kgrieco | oh okay | 12:40 |
| jelkner | together with Sambrem, who could make some fake screenshots for you | 12:40 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, do you understand what i'm asking for | 12:41 |
| jelkner | if you look at our chat log from friday | 12:41 |
| jelkner | we did talk briefly about this | 12:41 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: yes just to see how the tendenci tool works and to start the fictional documentation | 12:41 |
| kgrieco | right jelkner | 12:41 |
| jelkner | i'm hoping this will be a bit of an experiment in "documentation driven design" | 12:42 |
| jelkner | you write some user documentation about how we wish the system works | 12:42 |
| jelkner | and then later, we try to make it work the way you say it does ;-) | 12:42 |
| kgrieco | ok jelkner | 12:42 |
| jelkner | have fun, kgrieco | 12:43 |
| nrcerna16 | jelkner I need yo show you this: https://leesierraclubgreen.wixsite.com/gndvirginiasummit | 12:59 |
| jelkner | looking now | 13:00 |
| nrcerna16 | did you ever noticed what happens when you click on summit at https://www.greennewdealva.com/ | 13:00 |
| nrcerna16 | ? | 13:00 |
| jelkner | yes, nrcerna16, this was a special event that someone made a wix page for | 13:02 |
| jelkner | what they need is LibreOrganize! | 13:02 |
| nrcerna16 | +1 | 13:03 |
| zOnny | GFbot: are you around? | 13:05 |
| GFbot | zOnny, tell me | 13:07 |
| zOnny | GFbot: are you familiar with Thunderbird Email? | 13:09 |
| jelkner | zOnny, now let's hope ubuntourist stays on top of this! | 13:18 |
| jelkner | susan just emailed us back asking him to follow up | 13:18 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ok | 13:22 |
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| kgrieco | jelkner: i feel like I don't know enough about LibreOrganize to start working on the documentation. Is there a link to some general info about it so i can really understand what I'm writing about? | 13:44 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, sadly, there is not | 13:45 |
| jelkner | all we have is the website | 13:45 |
| jelkner | and what's in my head ;-) | 13:45 |
| jelkner | https://libreorganize.org/ | 13:45 |
| jelkner | the idea is to create a web application (a "platform", really) | 13:46 |
| jelkner | that can be used by organizations to help organize their members | 13:47 |
| jelkner | by "organized" in this context i mean to conduct the work of the organization | 13:47 |
| jelkner | that includes: | 13:47 |
| jelkner | 1. Discussions (through our forum app) | 13:47 |
| jelkner | 2. Get folks to meetings and document their participation | 13:48 |
| jelkner | 3. Enable members and sub groups of members to vote online | 13:48 |
| jelkner | 4. To manage membership status (active vs. expired), dues payments, etc. | 13:49 |
| jelkner | i am most certain that like all software, this list will grow over time | 13:50 |
| jelkner | as new users bring new requirements | 13:50 |
| jelkner | but that's going to be the core of LibreOrganize to start | 13:50 |
| kgrieco | okay jelkner. in tendenci, is there a specific way things work with voting for example? Will I have to learn how that works in Tendenci or can the users access the various voting pages whatever way Nova Web Dev chooses? | 13:51 |
| jelkner | discussions should also be available to groups within the organiation | 13:51 |
| jelkner | tendenci doesn't have voting | 13:51 |
| jelkner | it has everything else we are using | 13:51 |
| jelkner | for voting, we have a version of helios that Douglas Cerna hacked into our application | 13:52 |
| jelkner | https://heliosvoting.org/ | 13:52 |
| jelkner | Douglas used to call our application "Frank" (short for Frankenstein) | 13:53 |
| jelkner | since it was composed of the body parts of other applications | 13:53 |
| jelkner | we didn't use that publicly, of course ;-) | 13:53 |
| kgrieco | so should the documentation be geared towards using it the way it's done with Helios, or is there flexibility in how we design the voting page | 13:53 |
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| jelkner | no, we need to document the way it works in LibreOrganize | 13:54 |
| jelkner | we have made substantial usability improvements | 13:54 |
| jelkner | helios uses an email based authentication system | 13:55 |
| jelkner | which makes sense given its general use case | 13:55 |
| jelkner | where voters are just members of an email list | 13:55 |
| jelkner | our voters are members of an organization, and can authenticate to our web platform | 13:55 |
| jelkner | on the version of the application their organization is running | 13:56 |
| jelkner | i apologize in advance, kgrieco, but we aren't really ready for the work you are being asked to do | 13:57 |
| jelkner | you can simply tell me "i'm not up to this", and i'll find something else you could do | 13:57 |
| jelkner | if you want | 13:57 |
| jelkner | how are your creative writing skills? | 13:58 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: I feel like I can try to begin but if I feel like I'm not getting anywhere significant I will let you know | 13:58 |
| jelkner | that sounds great | 13:58 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: I'd say I can manage creative writing | 13:58 |
| jelkner | as i said, you have already delivered something of value to us | 13:58 |
| jelkner | cool | 13:58 |
| jelkner | its really technical writing | 13:58 |
| jelkner | but you are writing about a fictitious application | 13:59 |
| jelkner | that is terrorizing the town's folk ;-) | 13:59 |
| jelkner | but that's only become they don't understand it | 13:59 |
| nrcerna16 | I want to share this with you kgrieco and jelkner , replaceafill suggest us to use it as guide to improve LibreOrganize (you know Gfbot and me are working ont that) | 14:00 |
| nrcerna16 | https://docs.google.com/document/d/14f9Z5uae9V-KErbSD5Z77_YFzJNWm5QSuG6aTVfls60/edit?usp=sharing | 14:00 |
| jelkner | in all seriousness, you already created chapters for each component | 14:00 |
| nrcerna16 | this could helpful to kgrieco | 14:00 |
| nrcerna16 | be* | 14:00 |
| jelkner | start with introductory material describing what the component is for | 14:01 |
| jelkner | even if you only get that far | 14:01 |
| kgrieco | thanks nrcerna16 | 14:01 |
| kgrieco | ok jelkner | 14:01 |
| jelkner | it will be a big help | 14:01 |
| jelkner | thanks, nrcerna16! | 14:01 |
| jelkner | btw, kgrieco, replacefill is the developer who wrote it, and who dubbed it "Frank" | 14:02 |
| nrcerna16 | np :) | 14:02 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: so the documentation should be geared towards the administrators of the group, right? not necessarily the members themselves? | 14:07 |
| jelkner | yes, kgrieco | 14:07 |
| jelkner | i asked you to look at the ST book for that reason | 14:08 |
| jelkner | our use case is similar | 14:08 |
| kgrieco | ok got it | 14:08 |
| jelkner | our goal should be to make LibreOrganize so intuitive to use that regular uses don't need a manual | 14:08 |
| jelkner | if we fail in achieving that, we won't be successful | 14:08 |
| jelkner | but the expectation of folks who setup and administer the system will be higher | 14:09 |
| jelkner | the book is for them | 14:09 |
| jelkner | think of it also as aimed at folks looking to contract with us to set it up | 14:09 |
| jelkner | they want to know what it can do | 14:10 |
| jelkner | ACTION signing off for lunch | 14:38 |
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| jelkner | zOnny, ubuntourist is following up, yippee! | 15:26 |
| zOnny | jelkner: I see | 15:27 |
| jelkner | So you need to make that meeting, right? | 15:27 |
| jelkner | You should respond promptly that you can. | 15:28 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ok | 15:28 |
| jelkner | cool, zOnny | 15:29 |
| jelkner | monday at 1 pm is good for us | 15:29 |
| jelkner | gives you another evening with chedrick and sunday with ubuntourist to be ready | 15:29 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ok | 15:29 |
| jelkner | btw, zOnny, are you planning on going to the breakfast on 7/24 with Sambrem and kgrieco? | 15:31 |
| jelkner | i would normally volunteer to do that myself | 15:31 |
| jelkner | but getting there from santa ana would be a logistical nightmare | 15:31 |
| zOnny | jelkner: I see | 15:32 |
| jelkner | zOnny, did anyone ever tell you you talk to much | 15:32 |
| jelkner | such a chatter box | 15:32 |
| jelkner | "I see", "ok", "ok", "I see" | 15:32 |
| zOnny | jelkner:ok | 15:32 |
| jelkner | you just never stop talking! | 15:33 |
| zOnny | jelkner: I see | 15:33 |
| jelkner | LoL | 15:33 |
| jelkner | ACTION , after zOnny wakes him up with his humor, goes back to work | 15:34 |
| nrcerna16 | zOnny has talk a lot with me lol | 15:34 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ok | 15:34 |
| nrcerna16 | o.O | 15:34 |
| zOnny | ACTION is confused :S | 15:35 |
| nrcerna16 | jajajaja | 15:35 |
| nrcerna16 | why are you confused zOnny? | 15:35 |
| GFbot | :D ? | 15:36 |
| nrcerna16 | jeklner you should try this: https://emojipedia.org/confused-face/ | 15:38 |
| zOnny | jelkner: I thought they want to meet with Kevin only. | 15:45 |
| jelkner | Look at Kevin's last email, my friend. | 15:45 |
| jelkner | Read what it says. | 15:46 |
| zOnny | jelkner: I see | 15:46 |
| zOnny | jelkner: -.- | 15:46 |
| jelkner | "Yes, I should be able to make it then. I will see if I can get both RSIA and our lead developer to attend." | 15:46 |
| jelkner | "our lead developer" | 15:46 |
| jelkner | that's you, zOnny! | 15:46 |
| jelkner | so please just reply with a nice, "Yes, I can be there Monday at 1 pm." | 15:47 |
| zOnny | jelkner: ok | 15:47 |
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| kgrieco | jelkner: i'm designing a general layout for what i imagine the web app would look like so far, in a google drawing document | 16:43 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1E0BgX0Y1AbKG2vPJDAN2bNq2KPT6m4nj | 16:43 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: there is the link if you have any suggestions. there are clickable links in the doc | 16:43 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: also so far i have only worked on the member management area | 16:43 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, you should check with GFbot and nrcerna16 sooner rather than later to confirm that this effort will be helpful to them | 16:45 |
| jelkner | now that you have something to show them | 16:45 |
| jelkner | they will be doing the implementation using it | 16:45 |
| jelkner | thanks, kgrieco | 16:45 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: I feel like a design to work off would be more helpful than making a layout. if there is a mockup that nrcerna16 and GFbot are working on that I can base the documentation off of, that would be helpful | 17:00 |
| kgrieco | jelkner: i just made that flowchart because i didn't realize there were already design plans | 17:01 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, +1 | 17:07 |
| jelkner | that's why i said you should communicate with them | 17:08 |
| jelkner | kgrieco, Sambrem, i'm signing off for the day | 17:08 |
| jelkner | i started at 5 am here (7 am your time) | 17:08 |
| jelkner | i'm doing that to avoid the heat | 17:09 |
| jelkner | it gets really hot here | 17:09 |
| jelkner | so let's chat again when you arrive tomorrow | 17:09 |
| kgrieco | ok jelkner | 17:09 |
| jelkner | hasta mañana | 17:10 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 17:10 |
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