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| jelkner | Good morning nrcerna and hrodriguez! | 10:51 |
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| hrodriguez | Good Morning jelkner and nrcerna | 10:51 |
| nrcerna | good morning jelkner and hrodriguez | 10:51 |
| jelkner | Apologies for being late | 10:52 |
| jelkner | it took me 2 hours to get here | 10:52 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist and i are here | 10:52 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i'm going to try to login to nea4or | 10:52 |
| ubuntourist | Hi. | 10:52 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, question for you: | 10:52 |
| jelkner | where do i file issues? | 10:52 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, you should pay attention to this too | 10:53 |
| hrodriguez | yes jelkner | 10:53 |
| jelkner | since you and i both need to learn to file issues | 10:53 |
| jelkner | since we are the testers | 10:53 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, my first issue has to do with the art work on the home page | 10:53 |
| jelkner | a bunch of hands of white people | 10:53 |
| jelkner | nothing to do with education, and not diverse at all | 10:54 |
| jelkner | i want to file an issue on that | 10:54 |
| jelkner | where? | 10:54 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i logged in successfully, cool! | 10:55 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, last week, we spoke briefly about NOVALACIRO board members getting e-mail addresses. | 10:55 |
| nrcerna | Wait jelkner I'm going to send you where, I just want to say something. I just talked German's mom and he is whitour internet now :( | 10:55 |
| nrcerna | jelkner | 10:55 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, Step 1: I need "real" addresses that I can forward to. | 10:55 |
| hrodriguez | yes, ubuntourist | 10:55 |
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| nrcerna | his mom is going to share internet to his phone jelkner | 10:56 |
| GFbot | Hi | 10:57 |
| hrodriguez | ingridvaca7@gmail.com | 10:57 |
| hrodriguez | gloria.galvez.acosta@gmail.com | 10:57 |
| hrodriguez | those two are their gmail addresses ubuntourist | 10:57 |
| jelkner | Good morning, GFbot | 10:57 |
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| GFbot | GM | 10:57 |
| nrcerna | you can file issues here jelkner https://gitlab.com/libreorganize/libreorganize-theme/tree/nea4or_dev | 10:58 |
| jelkner | thanks, nrcerna | 10:58 |
| jelkner | i'll get on that now | 10:58 |
| nrcerna | and Ok jelkner we are going to change the header picture | 10:58 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, Got 'em. So, in a few minutes I'll have "incoming" mail set up so that they can receive mail. | 10:58 |
| hrodriguez | thanks ubuntourist | 10:58 |
| nrcerna | I'm going to create a new label | 10:59 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, Step 2 will require someone sitting with them so that they can then send mail OUT with that address. | 10:59 |
| nrcerna | hrodriguez, why jelkner has quit, do you know? | 10:59 |
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| nrcerna | Oh, he is back | 10:59 |
| jelkner | yeah, nrcerna, my connection went weird | 10:59 |
| jelkner | i'm back | 10:59 |
| jelkner | i'm sitting next to ubuntourist in any case | 11:00 |
| hrodriguez | ubuntourist: I can do that on the day of our meeting February 2 | 11:00 |
| jelkner | so if you loose me, you can message him ;-) | 11:00 |
| nrcerna | I'm going to create a new label to file issues jelkner and we are going to change later the header picture | 11:00 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, Oh, the other question: What should their new addresses be? Firstname.Lastname@novalaciro.org? If so, I need a first and last for the first address you gave. | 11:01 |
| nrcerna | So, jelkner what do you need from GFbot ? | 11:01 |
| GFbot | I'm waiting ;) | 11:01 |
| jelkner | GFbot, i don't think i need anything now | 11:01 |
| jelkner | nrcerna told me where to file issues | 11:01 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, The other option would be to use their board position (e.g. president@novalaciro.org, treasurer@novalaciro.org, etc.) | 11:02 |
| jelkner | and i can login | 11:02 |
| jelkner | so now i need to file issues | 11:02 |
| jelkner | GFbot, we can talk more tomorrow | 11:02 |
| nrcerna | I sent you the link here jelkner | 11:02 |
| GFbot | So i can't log out or do you need anything else? | 11:03 |
| nrcerna | you can file issues here jelkner https://gitlab.com/libreorganize/libreorganize-theme/tree/nea4or_dev | 11:03 |
| GFbot | I can* | 11:03 |
| GFbot | jelkner | 11:03 |
| GFbot | I can stay here :) | 11:03 |
| hrodriguez | ubuntourist: let me ask jelkner since their position can change or they can leave | 11:04 |
| hrodriguez | jelkner: should we make the mail addresses as their board positions | 11:04 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, ubuntourist and i are discussing that now | 11:04 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner is arguing for both. | 11:04 |
| jelkner | my thought was if we could, both | 11:04 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, I see the point, and will see if that's an easy possibility... | 11:05 |
| jelkner | so you would get helyn.rodriguez@novalacio.org *and* staff@novalaciro.org | 11:05 |
| hrodriguez | ooh okay jelkner that make sense | 11:05 |
| jelkner | but we need to find out from ubuntourist if that is easy to do | 11:05 |
| jelkner | if not, we will have to choose | 11:05 |
| nrcerna | jelkner you should use this label to file NEA4OR issues: NEA4OR website | 11:06 |
| jelkner | we should then perhaps wait until our call with daniela tomorrow | 11:06 |
| jelkner | GFbot, question for you | 11:06 |
| GFbot | Ñ? | 11:06 |
| jelkner | as the list manager, i want to see a spreadsheet like list (one member per line) of all the members | 11:07 |
| jelkner | should i file an issue on that? | 11:07 |
| GFbot | Wells | 11:07 |
| GFbot | Sure, thats css | 11:07 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, So it still leaves me with the questions: Who is ingridvaca7@gmail.com, and which board positions go with which address? | 11:07 |
| GFbot | From theme | 11:07 |
| GFbot | jelkner | 11:07 |
| hrodriguez | Ingrid Vaca Vice-president | 11:08 |
| GFbot | We can change it | 11:08 |
| hrodriguez | Gloria Galvez Treasure ubuntourist | 11:08 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, (When I looked at ingridvaca7@gmail.com a second time, I thought "Oh. I see the name now." ;-) ) | 11:09 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, thanks. | 11:09 |
| hrodriguez | ubuntourist: you’re welcome 😉 | 11:09 |
| GFbot | jelkner | 11:09 |
| GFbot | ?? | 11:10 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, https://gitlab.com/libreorganize/libreorganize-theme/issues/9 | 11:17 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, this is really on you, i think | 11:18 |
| jelkner | as our designer | 11:18 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, It may take a little while (20 minutes to an hour) but you should test by sending four messages -- one to each address | 11:19 |
| jelkner | to build websites for nea locals and caucuses, etc. you as a designer will need to get to understand the community we are targetting | 11:19 |
| jelkner | GFbot, what do you mean by ?? | 11:19 |
| jelkner | i don't understand | 11:19 |
| jelkner | GFbot, btw. we have a real initiative going with the LibreOrganize refactor | 11:19 |
| jelkner | GFbot, i don't know if they will be able to do it, but they want to: | 11:20 |
| GFbot | What do You mean? | 11:20 |
| jelkner | 1. remove all apps we aren't using | 11:20 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, gloria.galvez@novalaciro.org, ingrid.vaca@novalaciro.org, vice-president@novalaciro, treasurer@novalaciro | 11:20 |
| jelkner | 2. rename the project from tendenci to libreorganize | 11:20 |
| jelkner | 3. add tests | 11:20 |
| hrodriguez | thanks ubuntourist | 11:20 |
| jelkner | 4. make it work! | 11:20 |
| jelkner | GFbot, if they are successful, it will really become our project | 11:21 |
| jelkner | and we can build on it | 11:21 |
| jelkner | GFbot, i keep telling them that it will be important for you to understand what they have done | 11:21 |
| jelkner | so that you can build on it when they aren't here anymore | 11:21 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, but be sure to explain that they can only receive with those addresses, until they work through the other part. | 11:21 |
| jelkner | GFbot, i'm going to file the next issue | 11:22 |
| GFbot | jelkner if you want to do that all this time that we worked on libreorganize was time Lost. | 11:22 |
| jelkner | GFbot, no, not true | 11:22 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, Because I have not communicated with them, I'll send the instructions to you again, and you can just substitute their names and addresses in the appropriate places. | 11:22 |
| jelkner | GFbot, we always wanted to do that | 11:22 |
| GFbot | Remove apps from tendenci not sure | 11:22 |
| jelkner | we just didn't have the skills | 11:22 |
| hrodriguez | all right ubuntourist | 11:22 |
| jelkner | i'm not sure we do now either | 11:23 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, they will each need to do the procedure twice because they are getting two addresses. | 11:23 |
| jelkner | but these young gedi want to try | 11:23 |
| jelkner | they only get paid if they succeed | 11:23 |
| jelkner | so we have nothing to loose | 11:23 |
| GFbot | You just want to step back using tendenci again | 11:24 |
| jelkner | GFbot, i don't know what you mean | 11:24 |
| jelkner | we decided together last summer we were going to fork tendenci | 11:24 |
| jelkner | that has been our plan since august | 11:24 |
| jelkner | replaceafill approved it | 11:24 |
| GFbot | I don't really know what You want ay this point | 11:24 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, can you help me? | 11:25 |
| jelkner | often i feel like GFbot and i talk past each other | 11:25 |
| GFbot | I need help with libreorganize | 11:25 |
| nrcerna | jelkner, GFbot says that he thinks that he already forked tendenci | 11:25 |
| nrcerna | he needs help with the current theme | 11:25 |
| nrcerna | the one we started jelkner | 11:25 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, can i call you? | 11:26 |
| nrcerna | I prefer you try to chat with us jelkner | 11:26 |
| nrcerna | not just me | 11:26 |
| jelkner | ok, i will try to chat | 11:26 |
| jelkner | basically, we have GFbot and nrcerna as our only full time folks | 11:27 |
| jelkner | so i will continue to work with the two of you on customer projects | 11:28 |
| jelkner | that's what we are doing here today | 11:28 |
| jelkner | i'll file another issue for GFbot | 11:28 |
| jelkner | and we can make progress toward the following: | 11:28 |
| jelkner | 1. GFbot and nrcerna understand our "business problem" very well | 11:29 |
| jelkner | 2. GFbot and nrcerna can design good looking websites that customers like | 11:29 |
| jelkner | 3. GFbot and nrcerna can make the websites have the essential features that customers want to be happy with us | 11:30 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, GFbot that's what we've been trying to do, right? | 11:30 |
| jelkner | that was our plan at the end of august | 11:30 |
| nrcerna | Yes that's what we have been doing jelkner | 11:31 |
| jelkner | with NOVALACIRO, NEA4OR, AEA, and ORA as our four current partners who are helping us develop our product | 11:31 |
| jelkner | so, nrcerna, what is the confusion? | 11:31 |
| jelkner | i don't understand why GFbot says he doesn't understand what i want. | 11:32 |
| jelkner | that's what i want | 11:32 |
| GFbot | We need customers that pay for that | 11:32 |
| jelkner | and what i thought we agreed | 11:32 |
| jelkner | GFbot, we aren't ready to get customers to pay | 11:32 |
| jelkner | since we don't have the skills | 11:32 |
| GFbot | Mmm | 11:32 |
| jelkner | i'm the only paying customer for that, GFbot | 11:32 |
| jelkner | with a bit here and there from AEA | 11:33 |
| jelkner | and good fortune donations like we got last summer | 11:33 |
| jelkner | if we get further along | 11:33 |
| jelkner | we may be able to get more donations | 11:33 |
| jelkner | but we need to get people exited about and happy with our app before they would want to donate | 11:34 |
| jelkner | and we haven't done that yet | 11:34 |
| nrcerna | GFbot, was saying that he didnt understand why you want to refactor tendenci, are we using that instead our current LO theme? jelkner | 11:35 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, it wasn't my idea to refactor tendenci | 11:35 |
| nrcerna | If so, GFbot said that the things (meaining LO) we started was a waste of time, that's what I understood | 11:36 |
| jelkner | it was Ellis, Stefan, and Adrian | 11:36 |
| jelkner | GFbot, you should know that we need to refactor tedenci | 11:36 |
| jelkner | you just don't have the skills to do it yet | 11:36 |
| jelkner | software always needs refactoring | 11:37 |
| jelkner | constantly | 11:37 |
| jelkner | it's an essential part of the development process | 11:37 |
| jelkner | to keep it from growing so complex and broken it can't be modified or maintained | 11:37 |
| jelkner | we don't even have tests | 11:37 |
| jelkner | so i'm just letting you know what they are trying to do | 11:38 |
| jelkner | they are young folks | 11:38 |
| jelkner | they may never get this done | 11:38 |
| jelkner | but it won't cost us anything to let them try | 11:38 |
| GFbot | Ok | 11:38 |
| jelkner | all i am saying to you, GFbot, is to keep an eye on what they are doing | 11:38 |
| jelkner | so that you can learn from either their success or their failure | 11:38 |
| GFbot | Ok, thanks for that | 11:39 |
| jelkner | i'm just trying to keep you informed | 11:39 |
| GFbot | Cool | 11:39 |
| jelkner | you don't have to worry about it at all | 11:39 |
| GFbot | Okidoki | 11:39 |
| jelkner | so, back to our task | 11:39 |
| jelkner | let me file the other issue | 11:39 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, are you still here with us? | 11:39 |
| hrodriguez | yes, jelkner | 11:40 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, i think you and i are going to have the same issue | 11:40 |
| GFbot | Well | 11:40 |
| GFbot | File issues | 11:40 |
| jelkner | we need to see clean, easy to use list of our members, right hrodriguez? | 11:40 |
| jelkner | i'll file that issue now | 11:40 |
| GFbot | i'll work on them this week | 11:40 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, did you see the one i just filed? | 11:40 |
| jelkner | it is a design issue | 11:41 |
| nrcerna | yes | 11:41 |
| jelkner | so you'll assign that to yourself, yes? | 11:41 |
| nrcerna | we are going to work on that on monday, Im going to go GFbot places | 11:41 |
| nrcerna | place* | 11:41 |
| nrcerna | jelkner, | 11:41 |
| jelkner | sweet | 11:42 |
| ubuntourist | hrodriguez, I just resent the instructions for setting up outgoing mail, but you may want someone "riding shotgun" when you're helping Ingrid and Gloria out. | 11:42 |
| jelkner | https://gitlab.com/libreorganize/libreorganize-theme/issues/10 | 11:43 |
| hrodriguez | ooh okay ubuntourist | 11:43 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, GFbot any questions about this issue? | 11:43 |
| jelkner | and then i only have one other thing to talk to the two of you about, and we can be done for today | 11:44 |
| GFbot | Brb | 11:44 |
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| GFbot | got it | 11:46 |
| GFbot | that issue | 11:46 |
| GFbot | maybe be easy | 11:46 |
| GFbot | i think. | 11:46 |
| GFbot | thats just css and html. | 11:46 |
| jelkner | Cool | 11:46 |
| jelkner | so GFbot and nrcerna, i think that's enough | 11:46 |
| jelkner | since we need to work on AEA this week | 11:46 |
| jelkner | nrcerna and GFbot, what is your time line for that? | 11:47 |
| jelkner | Ingrid and Darlene are asking to be able to use a CMS | 11:47 |
| jelkner | we need a plan for that | 11:47 |
| jelkner | we don't want to keep them waiting | 11:48 |
| jelkner | well, nrcerna and GFbot? | 11:48 |
| jelkner | what are you thoughts on that? | 11:48 |
| jelkner | remember, as we discussed, we can remove voting | 11:49 |
| jelkner | since we don't plan to use helios | 11:49 |
| nrcerna | that's the thing jelkner | 11:49 |
| nrcerna | GFbot told me that we have issues because we dont have voting | 11:50 |
| jelkner | i don't know what you mean, nrcerna | 11:50 |
| jelkner | by "we have issues" | 11:50 |
| nrcerna | Are we going to use tendenci o LO for AEA? | 11:52 |
| nrcerna | jelkner | 11:52 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i thought we agreed we need to have a single app for all our clients | 11:52 |
| jelkner | we don't have the capacity for more | 11:52 |
| nrcerna | sorry I read wrong | 11:53 |
| nrcerna | I read: " We cant remove voting" | 11:53 |
| jelkner | oh | 11:53 |
| jelkner | no, *can* | 11:53 |
| nrcerna | It was the opposite | 11:53 |
| jelkner | i fully understand we can't support it | 11:53 |
| jelkner | now | 11:53 |
| GFbot | jelkner, well i know what i have to do. | 11:54 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 11:54 |
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| GFbot | if nrcerna has the design it will ready next meeting. | 11:54 |
| jelkner | besides, the work zOnny and i did trying it out shows what it will need to be to work | 11:54 |
| jelkner | we are a long way for that | 11:54 |
| jelkner | i think we will implement voting for ORA before AEA | 11:54 |
| jelkner | and it will be Ellis and Stefan who develop it | 11:54 |
| jelkner | *if* they can | 11:54 |
| jelkner | it will be built in to LO | 11:55 |
| jelkner | not bolted on | 11:55 |
| jelkner | that's the plan | 11:55 |
| jelkner | that's why they are refactoring, btw | 11:55 |
| jelkner | so they can start attacking that problem | 11:55 |
| jelkner | anyway, we here don't need to worry about it for now | 11:55 |
| jelkner | we need to get the core features we already support: members, events, cms | 11:56 |
| GFbot | cool | 11:56 |
| jelkner | that's what we need most immediately | 11:56 |
| jelkner | so our users can use the system | 11:56 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 11:56 |
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| GFbot | yep | 11:57 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez and i will be the first to test membership management | 11:57 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 11:57 |
| jelkner | AEA wants CMS | 11:57 |
| jelkner | so that's the last thing i was asking you about | 11:57 |
| jelkner | GFbot, nrcerna, what's your plan / timeline for AEA | 11:57 |
| jelkner | I need to tell Ingrid and Darlene what to expect | 11:57 |
| GFbot | just told u | 11:57 |
| jelkner | GFbot, what did you tell me? | 11:58 |
| jelkner | oh, you have a design for next week | 11:58 |
| jelkner | my bad | 11:58 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 11:58 |
| jelkner | cool | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i got confused by our voting misunderstanding | 11:58 |
| jelkner | so, we are done for today, yes? | 11:58 |
| nrcerna | yes | 11:59 |
| jelkner | sweet | 11:59 |
| GFbot | yes. | 11:59 |
| jelkner | thank you, nrcerna and GFbot, for taking time on your day off to meet with me | 11:59 |
| jelkner | hasta tomorrrow | 11:59 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, i need to take a short break | 11:59 |
| nrcerna | hasta lunes (yo) jelkner | 12:00 |
| nrcerna | :D | 12:00 |
| jelkner | si, nrcerna | 12:00 |
| jelkner | oh, nrcerna | 12:00 |
| jelkner | i'll be in richmond lunes | 12:00 |
| jelkner | so hasta martes | 12:00 |
| nrcerna | oki jelkner | 12:00 |
| jelkner | we have NVM lobby day on monday | 12:00 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez and i will be with our NOVALACIRO friends working to make virginia better | 12:01 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, can we talk about lunes when i get back? | 12:01 |
| GFbot | cool | 12:01 |
| hrodriguez | jelkner: did you see ma message on whatsapp | 12:03 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, i'm back | 12:09 |
| jelkner | no, not yet | 12:09 |
| jelkner | let me look | 12:09 |
| hrodriguez | let me tell you | 12:10 |
| hrodriguez | evelin called me yesterday around 5 she said that their organization decided we are not going to richmond in Monday because of the gun rally. They think that our people are going to be scared and they dont want that. | 12:11 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, oh, ok | 12:12 |
| hrodriguez | she told me that they are goung to look for another day to go. | 12:12 |
| jelkner | then i'll have an extra day to learn django | 12:12 |
| hrodriguez | nice jelkner! | 12:12 |
| jelkner | and you can focus on tuesday | 12:12 |
| jelkner | we need to move on the coop, hrodriguez | 12:12 |
| jelkner | we are meeting in my classroom at 7 pm on tuesday | 12:13 |
| jelkner | i saw detta and tim last night | 12:13 |
| jelkner | they are both coming | 12:13 |
| hrodriguez | great jelkner | 12:13 |
| jelkner | hrodriguez, thanks! | 12:14 |
| jelkner | i'm going to sign off so i can focus on study | 12:14 |
| jelkner | let's talk on monday | 12:14 |
| hrodriguez | you are welcome jelkner have a great day! | 12:14 |
| jelkner | you too, hrodriguez | 12:15 |
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| jelkner | peter.yuan18@gmail.com to peter.yuan@novawebdevelopment.org | 12:15 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, i have only one more | 12:15 |
| jelkner | adrian.buchholz@icloud.com to adrian.buchholz@novawebdevelopment.org | 12:16 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for today | 12:16 |
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