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| jelkner | !remind Should be put "all hands on deck" for the new LibreOrganize? | 09:14 |
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| jelkner | !remind | 09:14 |
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| nrcerna | gm jelkner | 10:02 |
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| nrcerna | !remind | 10:03 |
| jelkner | gm nrcerna | 10:11 |
| jelkner | !remind | 10:12 |
| jelkner | !remind Workflow for invoices? | 10:12 |
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| jelkner | nrcerna, i'd be happy to chair the meeting today | 10:12 |
| jelkner | since all the items are mine | 10:12 |
| nrcerna | Ok jelkner | 10:13 |
| nrcerna | I dont have items to discuss,just a few things to share: | 10:14 |
| nrcerna | we are going to work on the issues you filed, German worked on the last thing about Id cards and profile pictures on NOVALACIRO jelkner | 10:15 |
| nrcerna | So NOVALACIRO is ready, (to continue creating user stories) | 10:16 |
| nrcerna | I need to ask, are we going to bill NOVALACIRO now? jelkner | 10:17 |
| nrcerna | jelkner? | 10:17 |
| jelkner | No, nrcerna | 10:22 |
| jelkner | We really can't | 10:22 |
| jelkner | Heylin can't even see a list of members yet | 10:22 |
| jelkner | We haven't given them value | 10:22 |
| nrcerna | when she tried to do it? jelkner | 10:23 |
| jelkner | she is coming in today | 10:23 |
| jelkner | so we can talk about that | 10:23 |
| jelkner | but more importantly, we need a serious strategic discussion today | 10:23 |
| jelkner | did you see the email i sent this morning? | 10:24 |
| nrcerna | the financial one? | 10:24 |
| jelkner | yes | 10:24 |
| jelkner | all income since 10/3 has come from one customer | 10:24 |
| jelkner | Jeff Elkner! :-( | 10:25 |
| jelkner | This is not a way to make a business succeed | 10:25 |
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| jelkner | oh good | 10:25 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, is here | 10:25 |
| SITarabuta | I am also coming to Career Center | 10:25 |
| SITarabuta | I will be just a tiny bit late | 10:25 |
| jelkner | Our meeting starts at 11 am | 10:25 |
| SITarabuta | But I got IRC on my phone | 10:26 |
| jelkner | are you saying you won't be there then? | 10:26 |
| jelkner | if you are still home, SITarabuta | 10:26 |
| jelkner | why not stay there and work remotely | 10:26 |
| jelkner | we have an important discussion to have today | 10:26 |
| jelkner | so we need you at the meeting | 10:26 |
| SITarabuta | Oh, ok. Should I stay here online? | 10:26 |
| jelkner | +1 | 10:26 |
| SITarabuta | Ok great! I will get my laptop and be back | 10:27 |
| SITarabuta | in 10 minutes | 10:27 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:27 |
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| nrcerna | jelkner, :( | 10:27 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, when GFbot and SITarabuta are back | 10:27 |
| jelkner | i'm going to want you and i to do some serious planning with them | 10:28 |
| jelkner | while i have you, nrcerna | 10:28 |
| jelkner | i want to start keeping better records for what we do each month | 10:28 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, we are still not billing for hosting! | 10:29 |
| jelkner | we need you to take care of that | 10:29 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 10:29 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, you and i have access to our novawebdevelopment@gmail.com account, yes? | 10:29 |
| jelkner | i need to confirm that | 10:30 |
| jelkner | since as the two "business people" | 10:30 |
| jelkner | we need to share access to that | 10:30 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, how are you feeling, btw | 10:30 |
| jelkner | shame on me for not starting with that question! | 10:30 |
| nrcerna | yes you emailed me the pass jelkner | 10:31 |
| jelkner | Good | 10:31 |
| jelkner | so, nrcerna, i think you should create a system (perhaps just a spread sheet to start) | 10:31 |
| nrcerna | well, Its kind of weird, I mean al the whole thing about me jeje | 10:32 |
| jelkner | weird? | 10:32 |
| jelkner | did you get a good report from the doctor? | 10:32 |
| nrcerna | but Im trying to figure it about ,since I feel like where someone is having a detox | 10:33 |
| nrcerna | and sometimes I feel week but they explain that is for the ups and downs of sugar | 10:33 |
| nrcerna | weak* | 10:34 |
| jelkner | my wife is pre-diabetic | 10:34 |
| jelkner | so she is *very* disciplined about what she eats | 10:34 |
| jelkner | sugar levels have dramatic effects on how we feel | 10:34 |
| jelkner | its what powers our bodies | 10:35 |
| nrcerna | yes, I just started doing that :( | 10:35 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, you should talk to my wife | 10:35 |
| nrcerna | yes jelkner | 10:35 |
| jelkner | she is a bit like una monja in her discipline | 10:35 |
| jelkner | i couldn't do it, but she does | 10:35 |
| nrcerna | thats great | 10:36 |
| jelkner | switching back to nova web dev | 10:36 |
| nrcerna | about the system spreadsheet? | 10:36 |
| jelkner | can you please prepare a document (i think spread sheet would be best) | 10:37 |
| jelkner | that has a list of each of our current hosting customers | 10:37 |
| jelkner | and the dates they started hosting with us | 10:37 |
| jelkner | then you need to find the contracts (if any), we have with them | 10:37 |
| jelkner | and figure out which ones we can bill for renewal | 10:38 |
| jelkner | we need to get to the point where this is easy and quick | 10:38 |
| jelkner | we need a good system | 10:38 |
| jelkner | or else we can't go into the web application development (and hosting) business | 10:38 |
| jelkner | its an important part of the business plan | 10:39 |
| jelkner | even Gallaudet is asking us to host now | 10:39 |
| jelkner | i think we can't avoid it | 10:39 |
| jelkner | so we need to learn to do it right | 10:39 |
| jelkner | keep track of your hours, nrcerna | 10:40 |
| jelkner | like your uncle told you to do | 10:40 |
| nrcerna | Ok I all the info is on the spreadsheet Edzon shared with me , the inventory one | 10:40 |
| jelkner | great, well, you should prepare to present it to us | 10:40 |
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| SITarabuta | ACTION is back. | 10:41 |
| nrcerna | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ynkJmj3n5Ei3CfeX8tK-7P8ttNxq8HW6nCf6mtCxcE8/edit?usp=sharing do you have access to this jelkner? | 10:43 |
| jelkner | That's a good start, nrcerna | 10:45 |
| jelkner | now turn it into a document that can answer the questions we have | 10:45 |
| jelkner | what is the time period for each customer's hosting? | 10:46 |
| jelkner | how much does our contract say we are charging? | 10:46 |
| jelkner | when is the year up? | 10:46 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i bet you could spend all next week sending out invoices | 10:47 |
| jelkner | and we could start getting some revenue | 10:47 |
| nrcerna | Great jelkner | 10:47 |
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| jelkner | nrcerna, can you please call GFbot | 10:53 |
| jelkner | ? | 10:53 |
| jelkner | to make sure we can start on time | 10:53 |
| nrcerna | I'm doing it since 15 or 20 minutes ago | 10:53 |
| nrcerna | Im trying again... | 10:54 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, before Big_Brother fires | 10:55 |
| SITarabuta | yes jelkner | 10:55 |
| nrcerna | He answered jelkner | 10:55 |
| jelkner | i put an item on the agenda "All hands on deck" for new LibreOrganize? | 10:55 |
| nrcerna | Yes jelkner | 10:56 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, i think that's the most important question we have on our agenda | 10:56 |
| SITarabuta | got it | 10:56 |
| jelkner | And it will require SITarabuta and GFbot to coordinate activity | 10:56 |
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| jelkner | you've been making real progress, SITarabuta | 10:56 |
| jelkner | gm GFbot | 10:56 |
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| jelkner | glad you're here! | 10:56 |
| SITarabuta | gm GFbot | 10:56 |
| jelkner | gm ubuntourist | 10:56 |
| GFbot | Hello there! | 10:57 |
| SITarabuta | I will just say "Good morning" to everyone :-) | 10:57 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION pops open yet another can of diet coke... | 10:58 |
| jelkner | nrcerna and jelkner agreed he would run the meeting this morning | 10:58 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION continues to set a bad example... | 10:58 |
| jelkner | ACTION promises to be direct and quick | 10:58 |
| jelkner | since we have a lot to do | 10:58 |
| ubuntourist | (like a flu shot) | 10:59 |
| jelkner | hopefully it prevent us from dying, ubuntourist | 10:59 |
| SITarabuta | That's good but Big_Brother isn't as quick :-) | 10:59 |
| jelkner | ok, let's start | 10:59 |
| jelkner | !remind | 10:59 |
| @ubuntourist : GFbot : hrodriguez : SITarabuta : lbolz : nrcerna : +jelkner : @mjsir911 : wolcen : @ChanServ | 11:00 | |
| jelkner | there we go | 11:00 |
| jelkner | good morning everyone | 11:00 |
| jelkner | i'm glad nrcerna is feeling better | 11:00 |
| jelkner | after her scary trip to the doctor last week | 11:00 |
| jelkner | i'm going to chair today | 11:00 |
| nrcerna | Good morning everyone | 11:00 |
| nrcerna | thanks jelkner | 11:00 |
| nrcerna | :) | 11:00 |
| jelkner | first item is financial planning | 11:00 |
| jelkner | the only paying customer we have had since 10/3 is jeff elkner | 11:01 |
| jelkner | that can't stand, obviously | 11:01 |
| jelkner | my wife's car cost me $1300 | 11:01 |
| jelkner | and i am living close enough to the edge i can't obsorb that | 11:02 |
| jelkner | absorb | 11:02 |
| jelkner | so i'll be short the next few months | 11:02 |
| jelkner | probably a good thing, though, since if we can't generate revenue other than me we can't run a business | 11:02 |
| jelkner | so | 11:02 |
| ubuntourist | Silly question, perhaps. but is there some relatively fluid way of socking some of that away in a higher-yield interest account? | 11:02 |
| jelkner | 1. i asked ubuntourist if he can stop by Gallaudet to check in with them | 11:02 |
| ubuntourist | Wouldn't help much, but every little bit... | 11:02 |
| jelkner | it wouldn't help, ubuntourist | 11:03 |
| jelkner | we only have a few thousand left in the account | 11:03 |
| jelkner | it will be all gone soon | 11:03 |
| jelkner | 2. i've asked nrcerna to bill our hosting customers | 11:03 |
| jelkner | 3. lbolz is working on finalizing the $1250 we have already invoiced for arlington principles | 11:04 |
| jelkner | principals | 11:04 |
| jelkner | that's all we have in the pipeline | 11:04 |
| jelkner | but we need to keep much better records | 11:04 |
| nrcerna | About that I'm updating the information at the same document jelkner | 11:05 |
| nrcerna | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ynkJmj3n5Ei3CfeX8tK-7P8ttNxq8HW6nCf6mtCxcE8/edit?usp=sharing | 11:05 |
| jelkner | i'm going to ask that anyone who receives payment from nova web development have an invoice associated with it | 11:05 |
| jelkner | so GFbot and nrcerna, you should do that too | 11:05 |
| jelkner | keep track of your hours and your deliverables | 11:05 |
| jelkner | so we know what we are paying for | 11:06 |
| jelkner | ok, next item | 11:06 |
| nrcerna | Sure jelkner | 11:06 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta has been making real progress on LibreOrganize | 11:06 |
| SITarabuta | +1 | 11:06 |
| jelkner | to the point where i think we need to take the chance | 11:06 |
| jelkner | and go "All hands on deck" for it | 11:06 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta was accepted to university in Scotland | 11:07 |
| jelkner | (congrats, SITarabuta!) | 11:07 |
| SITarabuta | \o/ | 11:07 |
| jelkner | so he will be leaving next summer to go there | 11:07 |
| jelkner | GFbot, this is mostly focused on you | 11:07 |
| jelkner | i want to use the next few months for you to work with SITarabuta on the new LibreOrganize | 11:08 |
| jelkner | i will be the customer mainly, but there is the possibility of getting others to pay once we can deliver | 11:08 |
| jelkner | as i told SITarabuta | 11:08 |
| jelkner | i won't pay for broken code | 11:08 |
| jelkner | and code without tests is by definition broken | 11:08 |
| jelkner | so, GFbot, you need to learn to write tests | 11:09 |
| jelkner | both functional and unit | 11:09 |
| jelkner | i will only pay for tested code | 11:09 |
| jelkner | i'll reach out to replaceafill soon to ask him to peak in on what SITarabuta has so far | 11:09 |
| jelkner | but that's the plan | 11:09 |
| jelkner | we start with a small, well tested new LibreOrganize | 11:09 |
| jelkner | then we add to it, *with tests*, as we go | 11:10 |
| jelkner | GFbot, i need to make sure you understand what SITarabuta is doing | 11:10 |
| jelkner | so that when he leaves for Scotland | 11:10 |
| jelkner | you could continue working on it | 11:10 |
| jelkner | GFbot, thoughts? | 11:10 |
| GFbot | i need to learn how to make tests | 11:10 |
| jelkner | yes, GFbot | 11:11 |
| jelkner | you do | 11:11 |
| GFbot | ok | 11:11 |
| jelkner | ok, that's all i have for now on that | 11:11 |
| jelkner | the last item was invoicing workflow | 11:11 |
| jelkner | we already touched on that | 11:11 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, this is really up to you to coordinate | 11:12 |
| jelkner | you are the only full time person we have that can do it | 11:12 |
| jelkner | i just told lbolz to write an invoice for the work she did on testament | 11:12 |
| jelkner | i'm the customer | 11:12 |
| jelkner | but nrcerna, you should get the invoice from lbolz | 11:12 |
| jelkner | and be the one who sends it out | 11:13 |
| nrcerna | she jsut sahered that with me | 11:13 |
| nrcerna | hared* | 11:13 |
| jelkner | lbolz asked me how to number it | 11:13 |
| nrcerna | shared* | 11:13 |
| jelkner | i don't know | 11:13 |
| jelkner | we need a single person who does that | 11:13 |
| jelkner | louie used to do that when he was with us | 11:13 |
| jelkner | but he isn't | 11:13 |
| jelkner | so that task now falls on his replacement, nrcerna | 11:13 |
| nrcerna | I agreed when you where here jelkner that we are going to use the date and add it the number of the invoice of each customer | 11:14 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:14 |
| jelkner | so let's start doing that | 11:14 |
| nrcerna | Ok | 11:14 |
| jelkner | ok, that's all i have | 11:14 |
| jelkner | GFbot, your task today is to look at SITarabuta repo | 11:14 |
| jelkner | and start to understand it | 11:14 |
| nrcerna | I want to add something jelkner | 11:14 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta is learning quickly how to write tests | 11:14 |
| ubuntourist | The numbering scheme was some identifier of the project followed by a sequence number. | 11:14 |
| nrcerna | about GFbot and SITarabuta | 11:15 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, go for it | 11:15 |
| nrcerna | We need to set up a schedule | 11:15 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:15 |
| ubuntourist | nrcerna, lbolz look at invoices already on Google Docs for numbering schemes. | 11:15 |
| jelkner | again, nrcerna, you can help with that | 11:15 |
| jelkner | its a lot like herding cats | 11:15 |
| jelkner | but someone has to do it :-( | 11:16 |
| nrcerna | and all the communication they are going to it has to be cc'd to us | 11:16 |
| nrcerna | jelkner | 11:16 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:16 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i will do what i can to help | 11:16 |
| SITarabuta | +1 | 11:16 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 11:16 |
| jelkner | cool, we're all on the same page | 11:16 |
| ubuntourist | I have LibreOffice (not LibreOrganize) templates that I use for my invoices. | 11:16 |
| SITarabuta | ACTION chuckles. | 11:17 |
| jelkner | someday it will be LibreOrganize | 11:17 |
| jelkner | but not now | 11:17 |
| jelkner | ok, we done? | 11:17 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i'll check in with you during the week | 11:17 |
| jelkner | if you feel up to it | 11:18 |
| jelkner | you can chair again next sunday | 11:18 |
| jelkner | i'll be your back up | 11:18 |
| jelkner | sound good? | 11:18 |
| nrcerna | Great, thank you jelkner | 11:18 |
| jelkner | anything else, anyone? | 11:18 |
| SITarabuta | ACTION done. | 11:18 |
| jelkner | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 11:18 |
| jelkner | talk to y'all next sunday | 11:19 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION has nuthin' | 11:19 |
| jelkner | good luck at gallaudet next week, ubuntourist | 11:19 |
| nrcerna | lbolz, you did it great | 11:19 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, where in Scotland? I loved Edinburgh! (which is the only place in Scotland I've ever been). | 11:20 |
| SITarabuta | I got accepted to Glasgow. | 11:21 |
| SITarabuta | Edinburgh is on the list too. I will have to decide | 11:21 |
| jelkner | ACTION plans to visit while he's there | 11:21 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, got a minute? | 11:21 |
| nrcerna | yes | 11:21 |
| jelkner | here's what you can do to help GFbot this week | 11:22 |
| jelkner | 1. reach out to replaceafill and let him know what we're doing | 11:22 |
| jelkner | his feedback would be helpful | 11:23 |
| jelkner | 2. Make sure GFbot shows up at your place each day to work on schedule | 11:23 |
| jelkner | btw, i sent the transfer, you got it right, nrcerna? | 11:23 |
| jelkner | GFbot, you need to learn to do testing in Django | 11:23 |
| jelkner | i don't know how to tell you how to do that | 11:24 |
| jelkner | i've got a long list of books | 11:24 |
| jelkner | but you told me last summer you like videos better | 11:24 |
| jelkner | there are *lots* of videos, GFbot | 11:24 |
| ubuntourist | Edinburgh <-> Glasgow is less than 1 hour via ScotRail. | 11:24 |
| jelkner | but you'll need to find them yourself, since i haven't gone that route | 11:24 |
| GFbot | sure | 11:25 |
| GFbot | i'll do it | 11:25 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist, yup. I am going to visit e v e r y t h i n g. I love Scotland! | 11:25 |
| SITarabuta | and the transportation system is great. I can get anywhere | 11:25 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, most of the communication between GFbot and SITarabuta will be asynchronous for now | 11:25 |
| jelkner | gitlab and email | 11:25 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, GFbot needs to study what SITarabuta is doing | 11:26 |
| jelkner | and try to become ready to contribute | 11:26 |
| jelkner | since i won't pay for code without tests any more, nrcerna | 11:26 |
| jelkner | he needs to learn to write tests! | 11:26 |
| jelkner | we should mostly leave SITarabuta to do what he is doing | 11:27 |
| jelkner | while GFbot brings himself up to speed, and we await feedback from replaceafill | 11:27 |
| jelkner | sound good, nrcerna? | 11:27 |
| nrcerna | Ok, we are going to try to reach him tomorrow | 11:27 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:27 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, i'll call you at 9:35 am tomorrow | 11:28 |
| jelkner | we can do that tomorrow instead of our 10:45 am irc | 11:28 |
| jelkner | since we don't have anything new on the agenda for that | 11:28 |
| jelkner | we need to let GFbot focus on his assigned task | 11:28 |
| jelkner | until he comes back and says he is ready | 11:29 |
| nrcerna | Ok | 11:29 |
| nrcerna | ACTION AFK | 11:32 |
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| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 13:56 |
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