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| SITarabuta | !remind | 01:01 |
| SITarabuta | !remind The new NWD website and LOv2 | 01:01 |
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| jelkner | good morning, abuchholz | 09:47 |
| abuchholz | good morning | 09:47 |
| jelkner | abuchholz, can you think of anything we might need from the school? | 09:49 |
| jelkner | today is the last day i will have access | 09:49 |
| jelkner | i'm going to grab the coffee maker, since i know i'll need a lot of coffee ;-) | 09:49 |
| jelkner | other than that, i can't think of anything i need | 09:50 |
| abuchholz | I don't think so. This next month is going to be rough though. | 09:50 |
| jelkner | i'm going to learn more django then i would have otherwise, abuchholz | 09:51 |
| jelkner | so i'll make the best of it | 09:52 |
| jelkner | !remind | 10:09 |
| abuchholz | jelkner what does !remind do? does it remind you at 11? | 10:10 |
| jelkner | abuchholz, it shows me the agenda | 10:13 |
| abuchholz | !remind | 10:13 |
| jelkner | if you pass it an argument, it adds and item to the agenda | 10:13 |
| abuchholz | alright that was my second question. Just trying to figure this out so that I can implement it in the discord bot. | 10:14 |
| jelkner | abuchholz, do you mean your discord bot will interface with our irc bot? | 10:15 |
| jelkner | i don't understand | 10:15 |
| jelkner | i see stefan's agenda item | 10:15 |
| jelkner | but i am going to continue to push back against any internal adoption of non-free software for our core workflow | 10:16 |
| abuchholz | no. I mean that I am trying to implement similar features into our bot, so that if we ever do make the change to discord or at least try it once that we have the same features as the bot | 10:16 |
| jelkner | in fact, if we go down that route | 10:16 |
| jelkner | we have no plan at all | 10:17 |
| abuchholz | That's fair. We can talk more about it at 11 with Stefan | 10:17 |
| jelkner | +1 | 10:17 |
| jelkner | !remind next steps for our website | 10:27 |
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| jelkner | !remind should we adjust our schedule to our new circumstances? | 10:29 |
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| jelkner | gm, ubuntourist | 11:00 |
| jelkner | how are you feeling? | 11:00 |
| ubuntourist | Milady Jen says that if I have a runny nose -- I do -- then it is not the dreaded "Black Plague" of the day. | 11:01 |
| jelkner | my clock says 11 am | 11:01 |
| jelkner | that's good news, ubuntourist | 11:02 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, are you chairing today? | 11:02 |
| ubuntourist | So "I'm not dead yet" ("You will be soon") "I feel happy!" [Thunk] | 11:02 |
| @ubuntourist : SITarabuta : lbolz : nrcerna : abuchholz : +jelkner : wolcen : @mjsir911 : @ChanServ | 11:02 | |
| next steps for our website (jelkner) | 11:02 | |
| should we adjust our schedule to our new circumstances? (jelkner) | 11:02 | |
| jelkner | there goes | 11:02 |
| ubuntourist | But throat is definitely sore, and coughing increasing. Still on the downhill side of things. | 11:02 |
| nrcerna | Ok jelkner | 11:03 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, let's chat briefly after meeting | 11:03 |
| nrcerna | Hello Everyone | 11:03 |
| jelkner | gm, nrcerna | 11:03 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist, sorry to hear that | 11:03 |
| SITarabuta | hi everyone | 11:03 |
| nrcerna | First item: Figure out what is wrong with Big Brother. (ubuntourist) | 11:04 |
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| ubuntourist | nrcerna, In my current state of mind, I don't remember what I though was wrong with Big Brother... So, next. ;-) | 11:05 |
| ubuntourist | (Unless someone else recalls.) | 11:05 |
| nrcerna | ok ubuntourist ;) | 11:05 |
| nrcerna | next item: Discord - and how it changed the productivity between German, Adrian, and I (SITarabuta) | 11:05 |
| SITarabuta | Alright | 11:06 |
| nrcerna | ACTION expecting about the discord thing | 11:06 |
| SITarabuta | So I don't think I can put into words the level of increased productivity I experienced using Discord. German and I never connected so well. Now, we have an issue - German tags me, send a screenshot, or anything - I fix it. | 11:06 |
| GFbot | 1+ | 11:06 |
| SITarabuta | Even more! We have voice chat, and especially now in this period of no in person meetings, this will greatly help us. Nothing matches voice. | 11:06 |
| abuchholz | 1+ | 11:06 |
| GFbot | +999 | 11:06 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is expecting 40 lines of cut-and-paste in an IRC chat. ;-) | 11:06 |
| SITarabuta | Also, we can join voice chats where I share my screen | 11:07 |
| SITarabuta | so for example, Lena and Adrian can see what I am doing on my screen | 11:07 |
| SITarabuta | And just as a final note | 11:07 |
| SITarabuta | This is directed to you, jelkner ;) | 11:07 |
| SITarabuta | Because we all use it | 11:07 |
| SITarabuta | ACTION done | 11:07 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist, I actually didn't have time to prepare one ;) | 11:07 |
| jelkner | so, as you all expect, i'll weight in | 11:07 |
| SITarabuta | weight? | 11:08 |
| jelkner | first, whenever you use non-free software, you end up on the loosing end of a relationship with a monopoly | 11:08 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, Weight a minute! ;-) | 11:08 |
| jelkner | we have three principles in our operating agreement | 11:08 |
| jelkner | 1. We want to make a living, not a killing | 11:08 |
| jelkner | 2. We want to help build the world we want to live in | 11:09 |
| jelkner | 3. The peoples movement should be using the peoples software | 11:09 |
| jelkner | using non-free software violates two of those principles | 11:09 |
| SITarabuta | Jeff, is linode free software? Is Gmail free software? Our company is close to dying - do we want to die with IRC? Or do we want to make progress with Discord? | 11:09 |
| jelkner | you all can do what you want for now | 11:09 |
| ubuntourist | https://alternativeto.net/software/discord-app/?license=free | 11:10 |
| jelkner | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jami_(software) | 11:10 |
| SITarabuta | https://discordapp.com/open-source | 11:10 |
| jelkner | look, for now, we are making progress | 11:10 |
| jelkner | we've made another pact with the devil | 11:10 |
| jelkner | and we are moving forward | 11:10 |
| nrcerna | ubuntourist, Slack is the best one I use it a lot with my design customers | 11:10 |
| jelkner | this july we will have several PRIME interns | 11:11 |
| jelkner | looking for cool, month long projects | 11:11 |
| jelkner | i plan to have them investigate ways for us to move *toward* freedom, not away from it | 11:11 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:11 |
| SITarabuta | Ok, I am going to be straight. I didn't want to say this, but: if we don't use discord, I cannot do this. It will not work. German and I HAVE ot use it | 11:11 |
| SITarabuta | ACTION done | 11:11 |
| jelkner | use what you want, SITarabuta | 11:11 |
| jelkner | i won't, but you can | 11:12 |
| nrcerna | jelkner, even like that discord could work to increase productivity as SITarabuta mentioned | 11:12 |
| jelkner | as long as the software we are building is GPL v3 | 11:12 |
| jelkner | i feel we are in good shape | 11:12 |
| ubuntourist | I was mentioning to abuchholz earlier today MatterMost, Riot.IM, murmur / mumble. etc. | 11:12 |
| jelkner | so use what you want to communicate with german | 11:12 |
| ubuntourist | https://alternativeto.net/software/discord-app/?license=opensource may be a better URL. | 11:12 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, can we look into this in july? | 11:13 |
| abuchholz | Productivity is more important that open source especially with the business on the verge of collapse. | 11:13 |
| abuchholz | than* | 11:13 |
| SITarabuta | Everyone wants to use it jelkner. Sometimes we need compromises. Anyway, we are drifting off topic at this point. | 11:13 |
| jelkner | i don't want to disrupt productivity over an ideological battle now | 11:13 |
| SITarabuta | ok, next topic. i don't wanna talk about this | 11:13 |
| abuchholz | 1+ | 11:13 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:13 |
| nrcerna | next item: next steps for our website (jelkner) | 11:14 |
| nrcerna | -Big_Brother/#novawebdev- should we adjust our schedule to our | 11:14 |
| jelkner | abuchholz, we can talk more about that later | 11:14 |
| SITarabuta | uhm, i think you skipped something nrcerna | 11:14 |
| nrcerna | ? SITarabuta | 11:14 |
| jelkner | but imho, once we compromise our principles, we have no reason to exist | 11:15 |
| SITarabuta | I had to talk about the new website nrcerna | 11:15 |
| SITarabuta | "The new NWD website" | 11:15 |
| nrcerna | shoot SITarabuta | 11:15 |
| jelkner | this is great news! | 11:15 |
| jelkner | i created an account | 11:15 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION shoots SITarabuta | 11:15 |
| SITarabuta | ACTION chuckles | 11:15 |
| jelkner | it worked | 11:16 |
| SITarabuta | Ok, so lots of progress. novawebdevelopment.org is live on LibreOrganize V2. Personally, I cannot explain how happy / proud I am to see LOV2 become a used. | 11:16 |
| SITarabuta | product. | 11:16 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:16 |
| nrcerna | + | 11:16 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, is there a profile / settings page once registered and logged in? | 11:16 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 11:16 |
| SITarabuta | Yes, but it missing on this theme. Hold on, gonna fix soon | 11:16 |
| SITarabuta | You would have to know your uid to access it via the url | 11:16 |
| jelkner | also, SITarabuta, we need to remove the login item from the menu | 11:17 |
| SITarabuta | ok | 11:17 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, I take it, due to the restructuring, there's not an easy way to port the dumped SQL from the old site. | 11:17 |
| SITarabuta | oh, yeah. i didn't even try. trust me, it is imposible | 11:17 |
| ubuntourist | SITarabuta, but that it has been dumped,.. Right. | 11:17 |
| SITarabuta | sure | 11:18 |
| SITarabuta | so i am going to fix it now | 11:18 |
| ubuntourist | Good to know. If there are tidbits of text that were important (e.g. URLs to various resources, "grep" may be our friend. | 11:19 |
| SITarabuta | ACTION done | 11:19 |
| ubuntourist | (I mean grepping the SQL dump for various tidbits.) | 11:19 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is done | 11:19 |
| nrcerna | Ok next item: should we adjust our schedule to our new circumstances? (jelkner) | 11:20 |
| jelkner | very quick | 11:20 |
| jelkner | in years past, we moved from 11 am to 12 noon when daylight savings time happened | 11:20 |
| jelkner | so team guanaco wouldn't have to get up so early | 11:21 |
| jelkner | so this is for you, nrcerna and GFbot | 11:21 |
| jelkner | is 10 am better for you on sunday then 9 am? | 11:21 |
| nrcerna | What do you think GFbot ? | 11:21 |
| GFbot | well if you guys can be here | 11:22 |
| GFbot | i prefer 10am | 11:22 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 11:22 |
| jelkner | anyone object? | 11:22 |
| ubuntourist | Nah. I just need to remember. | 11:23 |
| jelkner | GFbot, can you fix Big Brother for that? | 11:23 |
| jelkner | abuchholz, lbolz, SITarabuta, objections? | 11:23 |
| abuchholz | no | 11:23 |
| jelkner | GFbot, do you know how to change the clock on Big Brother? | 11:24 |
| jelkner | ahh, ubuntourist, there is your first item ;-) | 11:24 |
| SITarabuta | no | 11:24 |
| GFbot | jelkner, i can try | 11:24 |
| GFbot | np | 11:24 |
| jelkner | GFbot, mjsir911 can help you | 11:24 |
| GFbot | jelkner, btw | 11:24 |
| jelkner | but you need to reach out to him | 11:24 |
| SITarabuta | also, please let's try to use the check in features on the novawebdevelopment website | 11:24 |
| SITarabuta | for next meeting | 11:24 |
| GFbot | I think Big_Brother is running on webfaction | 11:24 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:25 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, this is super important | 11:25 |
| jelkner | i was going to talk about that on the next agenda item | 11:25 |
| nrcerna | shoot jelkner | 11:26 |
| jelkner | ok, we need to plan next steps for LOv0.2 | 11:26 |
| jelkner | we have four current test users: us, ORA, AEA, and NOVALACIRO | 11:26 |
| jelkner | the last two are shut down do to COVID-19 | 11:27 |
| jelkner | NOVALACIRO can't organize | 11:27 |
| jelkner | AEA is closed until April 14th | 11:27 |
| jelkner | so that leaves only two | 11:27 |
| jelkner | us and ORA | 11:27 |
| jelkner | i think we have no choice but to focus on those use cases | 11:27 |
| jelkner | until the other come back online | 11:28 |
| jelkner | so, SITarabuta is totally on point | 11:28 |
| jelkner | to get ORA to be able to use LOv0.2 | 11:28 |
| jelkner | we need to have meeting check-in | 11:28 |
| jelkner | and reporting | 11:28 |
| ubuntourist | (I see that lbolz, SITarabuta and I are checked in for today.) | 11:28 |
| jelkner | and voting | 11:28 |
| SITarabuta | ok, voting next. | 11:28 |
| jelkner | jelkner too ;-) | 11:29 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, we need to look at our mobile version | 11:29 |
| jelkner | which is GFbot and nrcerna again | 11:29 |
| jelkner | front end design | 11:29 |
| ubuntourist | Ah. I see. Refresh has added a few more names. ;-) | 11:29 |
| GFbot | jelkner, for that | 11:30 |
| GFbot | we need to start working on base theme and fixing some issues | 11:30 |
| SITarabuta | the base theme is 100% compliant on mobile | 11:30 |
| GFbot | with SITarabuta | 11:30 |
| SITarabuta | the novawebdev theme is good as well | 11:30 |
| jelkner | GFbot, +1 | 11:30 |
| SITarabuta | mostly | 11:30 |
| ubuntourist | Loving the maximum participants = ∞ by the way. "To ∞ and beyond!" | 11:30 |
| SITarabuta | hehe ;) | 11:31 |
| GFbot | jelkner, maybe you won't use Discord but, SITarabuta and I plan to do it in order to get things ready soon as possible. | 11:31 |
| jelkner | that's fine, GFbot | 11:31 |
| SITarabuta | yeah, so don't expect many logs here | 11:31 |
| jelkner | do what works | 11:31 |
| jelkner | i'll contact you by signal, GFbot | 11:31 |
| jelkner | to check-in | 11:31 |
| GFbot | jelkner, 1+ | 11:31 |
| jelkner | this july we can have PRIME interns investigate free communication workflow tools | 11:32 |
| jelkner | and revisit the topic then | 11:32 |
| abuchholz | or they can just use discord cause they probably already do | 11:32 |
| jelkner | abuchholz, you're not being helpful | 11:32 |
| GFbot | :D | 11:33 |
| SITarabuta | "free communication workflow tools" - idk but sounds funny | 11:33 |
| nrcerna | :D | 11:33 |
| jelkner | we are going to want communication to be part of our product | 11:33 |
| GFbot | Discord is free to use btw :) | 11:33 |
| jelkner | that's what libreorganize is all about | 11:33 |
| jelkner | if we just say, use Google, and discord, and Amazon, and forget about democracy, we have no reason to exist | 11:33 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:33 |
| SITarabuta | DISCORD IS PRIVACY CONCERNED | 11:34 |
| SITarabuta | ACTION done | 11:34 |
| jelkner | but not Democracy concerned! | 11:34 |
| ubuntourist | While I'm slightly less ideologically pure than jelkner, consider moving forward the ability to integrate whatever into LOV2. | 11:34 |
| SITarabuta | what is that supposed to mean jelkner | 11:34 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, let's talk about this when we get together | 11:35 |
| jelkner | for now, we have a plan | 11:35 |
| ubuntourist | From a pragmatic, long-term standpoint, rather than an ideological one, it's going to be easier to do with FLOSS... | 11:35 |
| SITarabuta | i can't believe i am losing productivity on this ideological issue. we have linode - no free software. we freaking use GMAIL. whatever | 11:35 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, i'll call you | 11:35 |
| nrcerna | Dont let this topic take the best of yourselves, meaning: Calm down | 11:35 |
| SITarabuta | ACTION is really pissed. | 11:36 |
| jelkner | in the mean time, SITarabuta, do what you want to do | 11:36 |
| nrcerna | ACTION really concern about this | 11:36 |
| GFbot | jelkner, i'll to report that im making progress with Business Tracker, i hope to get something to show next meeting | 11:36 |
| jelkner | awesome, GFbot! | 11:37 |
| jelkner | next meeting at 12 noon ;-) | 11:37 |
| nrcerna | Youre doing amazing progress GFbot , as Alan said | 11:37 |
| GFbot | Alan is really great help for me :) | 11:37 |
| ubuntourist | So, whatever is chosen now, keep an eye out for better possibilities going forward -- even if the rest of the universe isn't using it. | 11:37 |
| GFbot | 1+ jelkner | 11:37 |
| ubuntourist | (The rest of the universe isn't yet using LOV2. We hope to change that.) | 11:37 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 11:37 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:37 |
| nrcerna | Ok I think we are done, unless anyone has something to add | 11:38 |
| nrcerna | Anyone? | 11:39 |
| GFbot | nope | 11:39 |
| nrcerna | Ok | 11:39 |
| nrcerna | *Drops the bag of gravel | 11:39 |
| nrcerna | ACTION Drops the bag of gravel | 11:40 |
| jelkner | see y'all next sunday at noon | 11:40 |
| jelkner | and online in the mean time | 11:40 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 11:40 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, my wife left for Puerto Rico this morning | 11:40 |
| jelkner | i have her car for a week | 11:41 |
| jelkner | once you feel up to it | 11:41 |
| jelkner | let me know somewhere we can get together to chat | 11:41 |
| GFbot | jelkner, i plan to take the day off tomorrow since i worked friday and yesterday if you don't mind? | 11:41 |
| jelkner | sounds good, GFbot | 11:41 |
| GFbot | cool | 11:41 |
| jelkner | let's talk tuesday | 11:41 |
| GFbot | yep | 11:41 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Jen's no doctor. So, I'm not trusting her diagnosis of my condition completely. | 11:41 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, you too, right? | 11:41 |
| jelkner | i understand, ubuntourist | 11:42 |
| jelkner | monitor and evaluate | 11:42 |
| jelkner | just saying, if you start to feel better | 11:42 |
| nrcerna | yes jelkner | 11:42 |
| jelkner | okie dokie, i need to head to ACC for the last time for a month | 11:42 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I was planning to attempt to follow the 14-day self-quarantine, though some say that's a bit excessive. | 11:42 |
| jelkner | we will be locked out after today | 11:42 |
| jelkner | we can talk by phone then, right ubuntourist? | 11:43 |
| ubuntourist | And I'll probably go stir crazy before then. | 11:43 |
| jelkner | since as far as i know, COVID-19 is not transmissable by phone | 11:43 |
| ubuntourist | Gimme another day or so to get my throat in working order. | 11:44 |
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