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| jelkner | !remind | 09:32 |
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| jelkner | !remind We we need to be by June (look at chrispedrick.com) | 09:33 |
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| jelkner | !remind | 09:33 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, abuchholz | 10:25 |
| jelkner | !remind Quick note about netsplit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit) | 10:31 |
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| lbolz : abuchholz : +jelkner : wolcen : @mjsir911 : @ChanServ | 11:02 | |
| jelkner | Good morning lbolz | 11:11 |
| jelkner | Looks like Big Brother wasn't fixed. | 11:12 |
| lbolz | good morning! | 11:12 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, ubuntourist | 11:16 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Greetings from the Home Front. | 11:16 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, it looks like Big Brother wasn't reset | 11:17 |
| jelkner | Do you know anything about that? | 11:17 |
| ubuntourist | Brain-Washington, Disenfranchised City. How goes the war on the other side of the river? ;-) | 11:18 |
| jelkner | I thought GFbot was going to look into it, but apparently he didn't | 11:18 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, As to Big_Brother, I'm not sure where it even is these days. | 11:18 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, i'm just talking about setting the clock ;-) | 11:18 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 11:18 |
| jelkner | anyway, while i have you | 11:18 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I'll see if I can dig up a location I can login to. | 11:19 |
| jelkner | i talked to Matt about your irc issues | 11:19 |
| jelkner | he referred me to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit | 11:19 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, IRC <--> Riot.IM? | 11:19 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:19 |
| jelkner | he says this is a well known issue with irc | 11:19 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Were you able to bridge the two? | 11:20 |
| jelkner | i didn't try, ubuntourist | 11:21 |
| jelkner | do you want me to do that? | 11:21 |
| jelkner | since we have the netsplit issue, it didn't seem like a worthwhile use of time | 11:21 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Nah. I found the documentation not that great. | 11:21 |
| jelkner | ok, so let's not spend our preciously limited resources on that | 11:22 |
| jelkner | irc works ok for meetings | 11:22 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I was going to send you instructions once I had it working, and then, after you succeed as a beta-tester, | 11:22 |
| jelkner | fixing the clock on Big_Brother is a higher priority | 11:22 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, I'd send it out to the full crew. | 11:22 |
| jelkner | i understand, ubuntourist | 11:22 |
| jelkner | but since we are blocking on making it work | 11:23 |
| jelkner | sounds like a dead end for now | 11:23 |
| jelkner | thanks for trying, ubuntourist | 11:23 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, a "backup" suggestion, assuming we don't figure out what's wrong w/ Big_Brother" | 11:24 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, (And, yes, I'm fully aware it's not ideal) | 11:25 |
| jelkner | abuchholz, do you have any interest in taking control of our irc bot? | 11:25 |
| jelkner | and helping us figure out where to host it, and how to fix it? | 11:25 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Put the agenda on our site somewhere, and change the IRC channel topic to point to it. For now. | 11:26 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:26 |
| jelkner | i'll do that, ubuntourist | 11:26 |
| jelkner | next week, if we don't have this fixed | 11:26 |
| ubuntourist | !remind | 11:27 |
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| nrcerna | gm jelkner | 11:29 |
| abuchholz | i would love to be in charge big_brother | 11:30 |
| jelkner | gm, nrcerna | 11:31 |
| jelkner | i've been trying to call you on signal | 11:31 |
| jelkner | no answer | 11:31 |
| nrcerna | :( sorry my phone died, I'm charging it | 11:31 |
| nrcerna | jelkner, | 11:31 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, do you know if GFbot followed up with Big_Brother? | 11:32 |
| jelkner | it doesn't look like he did | 11:32 |
| nrcerna | I'm not sure | 11:32 |
| jelkner | since it fired at 11 am | 11:32 |
| nrcerna | Oh :( | 11:32 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, let me know when your phone is charged | 11:33 |
| jelkner | so we can talk | 11:33 |
| nrcerna | yes jelkner | 11:33 |
| jelkner | for now, abuchholz is interested in taking over being the responsible one for Big_Brother | 11:33 |
| abuchholz | 1+ | 11:34 |
| jelkner | i'm going to send an email to him and mjsir911 now | 11:34 |
| abuchholz | alright | 11:34 |
| mjsir911 | +1 | 11:34 |
| jelkner | ahh, mjsir911 | 11:38 |
| jelkner | i just sent the email | 11:38 |
| jelkner | cool, you two are now in contact | 11:38 |
| ubuntourist | (OT) While a lot of ACC/Arlington Tech are here: The call is going out from various local emergency rooms, etc, for coordinated 3D printing and delivery. | 11:39 |
| ubuntourist | While schools might be locked down, there's still a chance that they might want to get a printer to somewhere that someone | 11:39 |
| ubuntourist | can use it during the seige. | 11:40 |
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| ubuntourist | So, if any of you know someone who knows someone who could get at a printer and use it (on site or elsewhere), I have some | 11:40 |
| ubuntourist | contact info. | 11:40 |
| ubuntourist | (We now return to your regularly scheduled program.) | 11:41 |
| ubuntourist | ACTION is done with the PSA. | 11:41 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, could you send me an email with the details of the ask? | 11:43 |
| jelkner | I could pass it on the folks at work. | 11:43 |
| jelkner | And see if anything could be done | 11:43 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, are you sure we have what they need? | 11:43 |
| abuchholz | Wait, ubuntuourist do you need a 3d printer, because I have one? | 11:43 |
| abuchholz | ubuntourist do you need a 3d printer? | 11:47 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, abuchholz I just forwarded the message from HacDC's president re: the call for 3D. | 11:49 |
| ubuntourist | (Forwarded to both of you.) | 11:49 |
| jelkner | I'll pass this information on, but it would take someone higher up in APS for us to be able to do anything | 11:50 |
| jelkner | GFbot, what did you find out about Big_Brother last week? | 11:51 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Oh, I understood that. As I said "If any of you know someone who knows someone who knows someone..." | 11:51 |
| GFbot | jelkner well | 11:51 |
| GFbot | i saw big brother online | 11:51 |
| GFbot | I think it was working | 11:52 |
| ubuntourist | GFbot, and where does Big_Brother live these days? (Sorry, my mind's a sieve and I lose track.) | 11:52 |
| jelkner | GFbot, it isn't working | 11:54 |
| jelkner | last week when we agreed to move the time to 12 noon | 11:54 |
| GFbot | ubuntourist yes | 11:54 |
| jelkner | GFbot, we asked you to set the clock | 11:55 |
| jelkner | so i was just confirming that you didn't do anything with that | 11:55 |
| jelkner | GFbot, never mind at this point, abuchholz has agreed to take on the task | 11:55 |
| GFbot | ok | 11:55 |
| jelkner | and will work with mjsir911 to get it setup for next week | 11:55 |
| GFbot | its ok | 11:56 |
| jelkner | should we start? | 11:59 |
| nrcerna | Yes :) | 12:00 |
| jelkner | there were only two agenda items, both mine | 12:00 |
| jelkner | the first was a technical thing about netsplit which ubuntourist and i already chatted about | 12:00 |
| jelkner | so there is only one more item that i have: | 12:00 |
| jelkner | 1. Where we need to be by June. | 12:01 |
| jelkner | Having just about finished my current Managerial Accounting class, i was returning to Dr. Chuck's Django for Everybody course this morning | 12:02 |
| jelkner | he has an old video that recommends a website tool that doesn't exist anymore, but it lead by accident to some useful info | 12:02 |
| jelkner | He directed students to chrispedrick.com | 12:03 |
| jelkner | which now redirects here: http://ww17.chrispedrick.com | 12:03 |
| jelkner | All it has on it now is adds | 12:03 |
| jelkner | for hiring web developers | 12:04 |
| jelkner | those adds are useful | 12:04 |
| jelkner | the first one is for a company named orpheusincorporated.com | 12:04 |
| jelkner | which offers custom wordpress sites starting at $2K | 12:05 |
| jelkner | i thought it is helpful to be able to measure what we can do against some know competitors | 12:05 |
| jelkner | what i saw gives me some hope | 12:06 |
| jelkner | their own website has at least one nasty flaw | 12:06 |
| jelkner | i took a screenshot | 12:06 |
| GFbot | 2k per site? | 12:06 |
| jelkner | http://students.gctaa.net/~jelkner/orpheus_screenshot.png | 12:06 |
| jelkner | Yup, GFbot | 12:06 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, ??? I go directly to the page of the the creator of WebDeveloper -- which I've used extensively for years. | 12:06 |
| ubuntourist | (https://chrispederick.com/ does not redirect for me.) | 12:06 |
| jelkner | hmmmm | 12:07 |
| GFbot | jelkner oh thats what we need | 12:07 |
| GFbot | "LibreOrganize Training" | 12:07 |
| jelkner | GFbot, if you seriously want to stay in this business as part of NOVA Web Development, we need to team of devs who can handle customers quickly and efficiently | 12:08 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, You may recall a recent message from me where I accidentally read Chris Pedrick as Chris Hedrick... | 12:08 |
| jelkner | and a sales team (me an nrcerna at first), who can then sell the team | 12:08 |
| jelkner | i noticed the similarity myself | 12:08 |
| jelkner | i don't know why i'm getting the redirect | 12:08 |
| jelkner | strange | 12:08 |
| jelkner | since Dr. Chuck was trying to direct us at the tools with which you are familiar, ubuntourist | 12:09 |
| jelkner | anyway, that's all i've got | 12:09 |
| jelkner | now that i'm learning to "do the numbers" | 12:09 |
| jelkner | i'm figuring that at the very least, we need $6K per month in revenue to stay afloat | 12:10 |
| jelkner | by stay afloat, i mean keeping GFbot, nrcerna, and zOnny working full time | 12:10 |
| jelkner | with income left over for abuchholz, lbolz, stefan, etc. | 12:10 |
| jelkner | to get paid by the hour | 12:11 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 12:11 |
| jelkner | anyone else have anything? | 12:12 |
| jelkner | i guess we don't have any new LOv2 sites | 12:12 |
| jelkner | ACTION feels we are bogging down | 12:12 |
| GFbot | i was thinking about to get novalaciro using LibreOrganize by this week | 12:12 |
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| GFbot | jelkner | 12:12 |
| jelkner | Please, GFbot! | 12:12 |
| jelkner | we are running out of time | 12:12 |
| jelkner | if we don't start bringing the customer sites online | 12:13 |
| jelkner | we won't make any new progress | 12:13 |
| GFbot | jelkner yes, i was thinking about that | 12:13 |
| nrcerna | + | 12:13 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 12:13 |
| nrcerna | I just want to share something | 12:14 |
| nrcerna | Our business tracker app (ToDo++) is having a good progress, we had our weekly meeting with Alan and GFbot working harder on that | 12:15 |
| GFbot | btw. i moved Elizabeth linode to 5$ plan. | 12:15 |
| GFbot | talking about that nrcerna | 12:16 |
| nrcerna | (this is going to help me a lot) to track our customers | 12:16 |
| GFbot | i was wondering if i can setup my app on LibreOrganize linode? | 12:16 |
| nrcerna | Great GFbot | 12:16 |
| jelkner | excellent, nrcerna | 12:16 |
| jelkner | we need to do that very badly | 12:17 |
| nrcerna | +1 | 12:17 |
| GFbot | jelkner so i can setup my app on that Instance? | 12:17 |
| jelkner | GFbot, keep looking out for ways to save money on servers | 12:18 |
| jelkner | that is going to be crucial for us | 12:18 |
| jelkner | ok, anything else? | 12:18 |
| ubuntourist | Sorry, had to step away. | 12:18 |
| jelkner | anything to add before i end, ubuntourist? | 12:19 |
| ubuntourist | Nothing from me. | 12:19 |
| jelkner | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 12:19 |
| jelkner | next week nrcerna will chair | 12:19 |
| GFbot | jelkner yep, i moved linodes to 5$ plan this last week | 12:19 |
| jelkner | great, GFbot | 12:19 |
| jelkner | that is very important | 12:19 |
| GFbot | jelkner did you check if you are paying Elizabeth's webfaction account? | 12:20 |
| ubuntourist | In brief, Web Developer is a browser plugin for Firefox, Chrome and others, that allows deep examination of a web page | 12:20 |
| jelkner | i was wondering if the built-in tools now rival its features, ubuntourist | 12:20 |
| jelkner | i know they didn't in the past | 12:21 |
| ubuntourist | via the Inspector among other things. | 12:21 |
| jelkner | but i was thinking they might now | 12:21 |
| GFbot | jelkner we need to know that we are losing money via webfaction | 12:21 |
| SITarabuta | ubuntourist is it really offering more features than the built-in inspect element and so on? They are pretty advanced nowadays | 12:21 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, That I could not say, since I automatically install it. I don't know what's there by default. | 12:22 |
| jelkner | my first reaction when i got redirected was it didn't exist anymore because it had become obsolete | 12:23 |
| ubuntourist | (My main use is to alter a web page that refuses to print properly to a PDF or copy and paste properly to an e-mail message. | 12:23 |
| ubuntourist | I use that capability a LOT.) | 12:23 |
| jelkner | interesting | 12:23 |
| jelkner | abuchholz, keep me in the loop this week on Big_Brother | 12:24 |
| jelkner | GFbot, is it time for me to start using ToDo++ | 12:24 |
| GFbot | YES YOU DO! | 12:24 |
| jelkner | GFbot, can we work on that today? | 12:24 |
| GFbot | yeah | 12:25 |
| jelkner | as soon as nrcerna's phone is charged | 12:25 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, Last updates for firefox and chrome / chromium were January 12, 2020. Last version for Opera was Feb 15, 2017. | 12:25 |
| jelkner | she is supposed to give me training on it | 12:25 |
| jelkner | btw. GFbot, we should talk about the name | 12:25 |
| nrcerna | I think I can use it | 12:25 |
| nrcerna | jelkner, | 12:25 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, you not only have to be able to use it | 12:26 |
| jelkner | but you need to be able to teach me how to use it | 12:26 |
| jelkner | that's the plan | 12:26 |
| jelkner | i'm waiting for you to tell me you are ready to train me | 12:26 |
| SITarabuta | I personally think that a tool's capabilities are more important than their names, but I still advocate for changing ToDo++ because it keeps making me think ToDo with Classes | 12:26 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, it's a very C++ kind of name | 12:27 |
| jelkner | PyToDo would be more appropriate for us | 12:27 |
| jelkner | or something like that | 12:27 |
| jelkner | ToDo += 1 ;-) | 12:27 |
| SITarabuta | Talking about C++, if anyone wants to have a good time, I recommend this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0_u26Vpb4w | 12:27 |
| SITarabuta | PyDo? haha | 12:27 |
| jelkner | lol | 12:28 |
| jelkner | DoDoPY | 12:28 |
| nrcerna | It was first named for us as Business Tracker jajaja | 12:28 |
| jelkner | ok, SITarabuta, on a more serious note | 12:28 |
| ubuntourist | MuchToDoAboutNothing -- A Monty Python Shakespeare parody. ;-) | 12:28 |
| jelkner | lol | 12:28 |
| nrcerna | but Ellis mentioned the ToDo name | 12:29 |
| jelkner | that, ubuntourist, is the best one | 12:29 |
| jelkner | SITarabuta, i was about to give you a call | 12:29 |
| jelkner | but before i do that | 12:29 |
| SITarabuta | Yup | 12:29 |
| jelkner | i'll post something here for all | 12:29 |
| ubuntourist | BTW try this link and see if it redirects: https://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/ | 12:29 |
| jelkner | i was going to ask you what you thought about using our website for tracking simple tasks | 12:30 |
| jelkner | assigned to us each week | 12:30 |
| jelkner | in addition to calendar events | 12:30 |
| SITarabuta | I had that idea jelkner | 12:31 |
| nrcerna | That's a feature we want to implement jelkner | 12:31 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:31 |
| nrcerna | on our Business tracker | 12:31 |
| jelkner | so we need to get real users using LOv2 as soon as possible | 12:31 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, we need to figure out how the Business Tracker integrates with the rest of the system | 12:32 |
| jelkner | we are a coop | 12:32 |
| SITarabuta | Let's talk about this. I like it more than typing cuz there are a lot of remifications | 12:32 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll call | 12:32 |
| nrcerna | That's what GFbot was asking , he mentioned me that this week | 12:32 |
| jelkner | well, nrcerna, GFbot *should* be talking to SITarabuta | 12:33 |
| jelkner | that's one of our most fundamental challenges | 12:33 |
| jelkner | smooth and effective communication | 12:33 |
| nrcerna | We are trying at discord as Stefan suggested | 12:34 |
| jelkner | that need is across the board, but in the development team especially | 12:34 |
| jelkner | fine | 12:34 |
| jelkner | whatever works | 12:34 |
| jelkner | i find the tool doesn't matter as much as the social commitment to use it | 12:34 |
| jelkner | so do whatever makes SITarabuta happy | 12:34 |
| jelkner | but communicate with him! | 12:35 |
| nrcerna | ok | 12:36 |
| ubuntourist | Not an expert, but netsplit, in my limited experience has been a very temporary phenomenon, and, | 12:47 |
| ubuntourist | since other channels seemed to be bridging just fine, I'm not buying netsplit as an explanation of the problem. | 12:48 |
| ubuntourist | But, I'm no expert. I'm going to close hexchat now and try riot again to see if I can find my way to this channel | 12:48 |
| ubuntourist | from there. | 12:48 |
| nrcerna | ACTION AFK | 13:42 |
| nrcerna | ACTION AFK | 13:42 |
| jelkner | nrcerna, is your phone charged? | 13:51 |
| nrcerna | Hello jelkner | 14:02 |
| nrcerna | yes | 14:03 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day | 15:25 |
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