| scooper | Good morning Mr. Elkner | 11:26 |
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| scooper | I'm here awaiting for the meetiing to proceed as you requested via email..... | 11:28 |
| jelkner | Good morning scooper~ | 11:30 |
| jelkner | Or should I say Mr. Cooper, since we're doing the Mr. thing ;-) | 11:30 |
| scooper | hahaha no jeff | 11:31 |
| scooper | just something that is use to me | 11:31 |
| jelkner | LoL, I understand | 11:31 |
| scooper | especially when referring to a older person | 11:31 |
| jelkner | and i certainly am old, but like i told you, i'm not dead yet! | 11:32 |
| jelkner | ok, i wanted to get together to answer any questions i could about the changes in nova web development. | 11:32 |
| scooper | Understand, so what are our discussion for today | 11:32 |
| jelkner | well, let's start with any questions you have about what i already wrote | 11:33 |
| jelkner | basically, the full time members of the co-op need to move on | 11:33 |
| scooper | Please share with me, I do believe I can use that to double up my effort is not effort... | 11:33 |
| scooper | Hmmmm | 11:33 |
| jelkner | you and i talked about this when i was there | 11:33 |
| jelkner | it does not come as a surprise | 11:34 |
| scooper | got you | 11:34 |
| jelkner | we've been talking about it for about a year | 11:34 |
| jelkner | we made the decision that when they went to Django Con in Portugal together, if they didn't find work for the co-op, they would need to take other jobs. | 11:34 |
| jelkner | they didn't find work, so that's what they are going to do | 11:35 |
| jelkner | we have begun meeting already to plan the transition | 11:35 |
| jelkner | the first question was: should we close the business, or try to keep it going? | 11:35 |
| scooper | Closing is not appropriate Jeff | 11:36 |
| jelkner | i didn't want to close it, scooper | 11:36 |
| jelkner | but keeping it open means i have to step back in and take responsibility for our current customers | 11:36 |
| jelkner | i am already overextended, doing too much for an old man. | 11:37 |
| jelkner | but i met with my very talented and eager capstone students for this year: Antonio, Dafni, and Luke | 11:37 |
| jelkner | they want to try to step up and take on the challenge | 11:37 |
| jelkner | they can build their resumes | 11:38 |
| jelkner | and earn some money | 11:38 |
| jelkner | like i said to you when i was in monrovia, my long term hope is that we can train a group there to be able to do paid work | 11:38 |
| jelkner | that's why i was a bit frustrated with the lack of attendance last saturday | 11:39 |
| jelkner | and the overall very slow pace of progress | 11:39 |
| scooper | Jeff, I can help with the font end, right I'm not that solid to take up the backend side...... | 11:39 |
| jelkner | yes, integrating you into that will be our first goal | 11:40 |
| scooper | I understand Jeff, sine you left I continues to have sleepless night include to make this a success.... | 11:40 |
| jelkner | but you need to learn at least enough Django to be able to manage Django templates | 11:40 |
| jelkner | https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.1/ref/templates/language/ | 11:40 |
| jelkner | anyway, it will be a process over the next few years | 11:41 |
| jelkner | so i have a group of students in my web class who say they want to learn Django | 11:41 |
| jelkner | https://ict.gctaa.net/sections/webdesign/students.html | 11:42 |
| jelkner | You can see them in Period 1A: Avery, Julian, Joseph, and Ana. | 11:42 |
| jelkner | Dafni is in that class too | 11:42 |
| jelkner | So my plan is to have them take on supporting the MCSS website as their project for the year | 11:43 |
| jelkner | since MCSS has no budget for this, we need to find students who can do it for academic credit | 11:43 |
| jelkner | i meet with the three capstone students each Thursday from 3 to 7 pm my time (7 to 11 pm your time) | 11:44 |
| jelkner | adrian has kindly offered to help mentor them | 11:44 |
| jelkner | he will meet with them to answer any Django questions they have | 11:45 |
| scooper | I will be part of that section every Thursday Jeff, please include me... | 11:45 |
| jelkner | but they will be responsible for helping you | 11:45 |
| jelkner | absolutely | 11:45 |
| jelkner | i figured that was too late for you, but you are totally welcome | 11:45 |
| jelkner | it would be great to have you there at least some of the time | 11:46 |
| jelkner | this thursday i'll get them all on this irc channel | 11:46 |
| jelkner | we need to make communication easy | 11:46 |
| jelkner | and effective | 11:46 |
| scooper | I know but to maintain this I must make some sacrifices jeff | 11:46 |
| jelkner | you also need to be a good dad and take care of your children and support their mother. | 11:47 |
| jelkner | so let's seek balance | 11:47 |
| scooper | My wife understand already | 11:48 |
| jelkner | anyway, i want to talk about the interns | 11:48 |
| jelkner | what is holding things up? | 11:48 |
| jelkner | i keep hoping a few leaders will emerge | 11:48 |
| scooper | Once I m home doing my work she has no problem with it, because it's for the betterment of them alll | 11:48 |
| jelkner | Jallah was messaging me on his own initiative | 11:48 |
| jelkner | but now that stopped | 11:48 |
| jelkner | he didn't even some on saturday | 11:48 |
| jelkner | only Thomas came | 11:49 |
| jelkner | why? | 11:49 |
| jelkner | and no messages during the week | 11:49 |
| jelkner | silence | 11:49 |
| jelkner | it is frustrating to me, as you can imagine | 11:49 |
| scooper | I'm sure because I was not around to put pressure on them | 11:49 |
| jelkner | but that's what we need to fix | 11:50 |
| jelkner | a cooperative is all about shared ownership | 11:50 |
| jelkner | and shared initiative | 11:50 |
| jelkner | the secret to our success will be the resilience i mentioned in my email | 11:50 |
| jelkner | if jeff or spencer get sick, need to do something important in their personal lives, or can't be there for any reason | 11:51 |
| jelkner | no problem | 11:51 |
| jelkner | someone else will step up and make things happen | 11:51 |
| jelkner | we absolutely need to get to that situation | 11:51 |
| jelkner | or we are wasting our time | 11:51 |
| jelkner | i really want to meet with Jallah and Freena | 11:52 |
| jelkner | they graduated | 11:52 |
| scooper | Jeff, everytime I encourage them to engage in self learning...... But this is Africa if them need constant pressure I will continue to remind them all | 11:53 |
| jelkner | if they are serious about this, now is the time for them to take initiative | 11:53 |
| scooper | sure | 11:54 |
| jelkner | ask Jallah and Freena to email me: jeff.elkner@novawebdevelopment.org | 11:54 |
| jelkner | from their nova web email addresses | 11:54 |
| scooper | because they are less engage | 11:54 |
| jelkner | no, because they are the graduates | 11:54 |
| jelkner | i assume they are now looking to make this a real job | 11:55 |
| jelkner | and to figure out how they will continue with their education | 11:55 |
| scooper | we are speaking in the same direction jeff | 11:55 |
| jelkner | great | 11:55 |
| jelkner | so, to sum up: | 11:55 |
| jelkner | 1. you will try to join us on irc this thursday at 7 pm your time | 11:55 |
| scooper | less engage mean they don't have active academic work doing | 11:56 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:56 |
| scooper | +1 | 11:56 |
| jelkner | 2. you will ask jallah and freena to email me | 11:56 |
| scooper | +1 | 11:56 |
| jelkner | on the last point, let's make it a 4 way conversation | 11:56 |
| jelkner | to teach them how to use email effectively | 11:56 |
| jelkner | so, for example, when freena or jallah email me, they should cc you and the other intern | 11:57 |
| scooper | I think I have done that before, But I will go over it again | 11:57 |
| jelkner | so we will have a discussion among the 4 of us | 11:57 |
| jelkner | my immediate goal is to get them to use pastebin | 11:58 |
| jelkner | so we can talk about Python code | 11:58 |
| jelkner | and then, when they are ready, to setup git | 11:58 |
| jelkner | they will need that to share code with the folks here | 11:58 |
| jelkner | that's how we do it | 11:58 |
| jelkner | oh, my dear friend, before we leave, i have one more favor to ask you | 11:59 |
| scooper | I m listening jeff | 12:00 |
| jelkner | please try to get some sleep! ;-) | 12:00 |
| jelkner | we need you rested, not sleepless | 12:00 |
| jelkner | we'll be fine | 12:00 |
| scooper | Jeff a lot need to be learn | 12:00 |
| jelkner | we're going to keep going forward together | 12:00 |
| scooper | HOw will I sleep | 12:00 |
| jelkner | you learn better when you're rested | 12:01 |
| jelkner | i try to teach that to my students | 12:01 |
| scooper | MCSS work and the employees | 12:01 |
| jelkner | ok, i need to get to work here for APS stuff | 12:01 |
| jelkner | it was great chatting with you | 12:01 |
| jelkner | see you on thursday | 12:01 |
| scooper | keep cominng for simple thing jeff, So I have to deliver to impress my Boss | 12:01 |
| scooper | Thanks Jeff, | 12:01 |
| jelkner | see if you can get jallah and freena to send that email over the next few days | 12:02 |
| jelkner | ok, my friend, i'm signing off... | 12:02 |
| scooper | I will jeff, me too | 12:02 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 12:02 |
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