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| mulbah | Good morning jeff | 11:49 |
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| jelkner | Good morning fkoikoi, janet, mulbah, tboimah, and scooper | 11:49 |
| tboimah | I'm fine and you. | 11:49 |
| mulbah | How are you doing this morning | 11:49 |
| fkoikoi | Good morning Jeff | 11:49 |
| jelkner | i doing well. just finished my first face ;-) | 11:50 |
| jelkner | s/i'm/i | 11:50 |
| janet | Good morning jeff | 11:50 |
| tboimah | s/i'm/i | 11:52 |
| jelkner | i did that backwards, tboimah | 11:52 |
| jelkner | i should have wrote: s/i/i'm | 11:52 |
| jelkner | it means "substitute for "i", "i'm" | 11:52 |
| jelkner | since i wrote "i doing well" | 11:53 |
| tboimah | okay | 11:53 |
| jelkner | and should have wrote "i'm doing well" | 11:53 |
| jelkner | https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/vi-and-vim/9781449303082/ch01s07.html | 11:54 |
| jelkner | vim supports substitutions very well | 11:54 |
| jelkner | but you need to learn a pattern matching language called "regular expressions" | 11:55 |
| dcammue | Good morning Jeff, how are you and the family? | 11:56 |
| jelkner | i'm well, dcammue, how about you? | 11:56 |
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| dcammue | I'm doing great. | 11:57 |
| jelkner | glad to hear that | 11:57 |
| dcammue | yeah | 12:00 |
| jallah | Good morning Jeff, how are you doing this morning ? | 12:01 |
| jelkner | i'm well, jallah | 12:01 |
| jelkner | but i'm wondering why LittleWebster didn't print our meeting agenda | 12:01 |
| jelkner | !agenda | 12:02 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 12:02 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss HTML/CSS vs. Python study plan. (added by jelkner) | 12:02 |
| jelkner | i wonder if the clock is off | 12:02 |
| jelkner | i'll have to check that with adrian on thursday | 12:02 |
| jelkner | anyway, good afternoon dear friends in monrovia! | 12:02 |
| jelkner | let's get started | 12:02 |
| jelkner | scooper: are you here with us? | 12:03 |
| dcammue | I missed your conversation yesterday Jeff. I came when you have already left. but I got the information from Thomas. | 12:03 |
| jelkner | is spencer there? | 12:03 |
| fkoikoi | yes | 12:03 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:03 |
| scooper | I m here Jeff | 12:03 |
| scooper | but printing some documents | 12:03 |
| jelkner | scooper, you are very important to this disucssion | 12:04 |
| jelkner | so we should continue when you are available to participate | 12:04 |
| jelkner | we need to develop a plan together | 12:04 |
| jelkner | that's our only agenda item for today | 12:04 |
| dcammue | ok | 12:04 |
| jelkner | but once we have a plan, we can talk about the next steps you should take this coming week | 12:05 |
| jelkner | what is your scheduled now? when do you all meet? | 12:05 |
| scooper | I m here now Jeff | 12:06 |
| jelkner | good | 12:06 |
| jelkner | so please answer my first question | 12:06 |
| scooper | I m was multi tasking | 12:06 |
| jelkner | LoL, humans don't actually multi-task well, scooper | 12:06 |
| scooper | what is it?? | 12:06 |
| jelkner | the research confirms that | 12:06 |
| scooper | I know | 12:06 |
| scooper | UoP said i | 12:06 |
| scooper | it | 12:07 |
| jelkner | my first question is: when do you all meet during the week now? what is your schedule? | 12:07 |
| svaye | We meet every Tuesday and Friday | 12:07 |
| jelkner | from when to when? | 12:07 |
| jelkner | what times? | 12:07 |
| scooper | 4:00 t0 5:30 | 12:07 |
| jelkner | 12 to 1:30 pm my time | 12:07 |
| scooper | pm | 12:07 |
| jelkner | ok | 12:08 |
| jelkner | i have class during that time, but that's fine | 12:08 |
| scooper | Done for my family need me too | 12:08 |
| jelkner | ok, let me frame the question i want to address today, which is: | 12:08 |
| scooper | so is seeming late for me but I will continue to make it up to you Jeff | 12:09 |
| jelkner | should we switch our short term learning objectives to something more effective for us? | 12:09 |
| jelkner | i am realizing that the python study is not going well | 12:09 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:10 |
| jelkner | i can tell from answers to the questions that i asked | 12:10 |
| jelkner | so let me repeat something i talked about a lot when i was with you last summer | 12:10 |
| jelkner | here are the skills we will need to do web development: | 12:11 |
| jelkner | 1. keyboarding | 12:11 |
| mulbah | +1 | 12:11 |
| jelkner | 2. effective use of computer (unix cli) | 12:11 |
| jelkner | 3. power use of a text editor (we are learning vim) | 12:11 |
| jelkner | 4. html / css | 12:12 |
| jelkner | 5. JavaScript | 12:12 |
| jelkner | 6. Python | 12:12 |
| jelkner | and I could through in with that: | 12:12 |
| jelkner | 7. some unix system administration and networking | 12:12 |
| jelkner | so we need a plan that you all can follow that will: | 12:13 |
| jelkner | 1. make you feel encouraged with your progress | 12:13 |
| jelkner | 2. allow you to move along the learning path i just described | 12:13 |
| jelkner | scooper, this is where you come in | 12:13 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking that we should switch focus to html / css, since that is something you know. | 12:14 |
| jelkner | it will allow you to better help folks during your tuesday and friday meetings | 12:14 |
| jelkner | what do you think? | 12:15 |
| scooper | I will try base on some condition JEff | 12:15 |
| jelkner | tell me more | 12:15 |
| scooper | I got a lot doing right now, UoP, MCSS Novaweb and family matter | 12:16 |
| jelkner | i thought the supe just said he got you a new assistant | 12:16 |
| scooper | First condition | 12:16 |
| scooper | We will commence class sharp 4-5:00 | 12:17 |
| scooper | I will only assist for 45 minutes and do assessment | 12:17 |
| scooper | for 15 minutes..... because I have to leave and wake up by 3:am to focus on myself as well Jeff | 12:18 |
| jelkner | scooper, you are raising some *very* important concerns | 12:18 |
| scooper | What you input??? | 12:18 |
| jelkner | jallah, fkoikoi, i need to find leaders among you who can help move us forward | 12:19 |
| jelkner | it can't fall on scooper | 12:19 |
| jelkner | he is over extended already | 12:19 |
| jelkner | and doing more than is reasonable to ask | 12:19 |
| jelkner | i mention fkoikoi and jallah, since you graduated high school | 12:19 |
| jelkner | and i assume are here because you want to continue learning in the IT field | 12:20 |
| scooper | The guys is not a programmer Jeff | 12:20 |
| jelkner | scooper and jelkner need you two to step up! | 12:20 |
| scooper | sorry guy | 12:20 |
| jelkner | i can answer questions about html and css | 12:20 |
| jelkner | what i need is to receive them | 12:20 |
| scooper | what | 12:20 |
| jelkner | tboimah did a great job last week starting with that process | 12:21 |
| jelkner | it was *very* helpful | 12:21 |
| jelkner | without his email with answers to my questions (the only way I can assess your understanding from here), i would not know where you are | 12:21 |
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| jelkner | and i can't plan effectively if i don't know what you are getting and what you are not | 12:22 |
| jelkner | this is remote learning | 12:22 |
| jelkner | i want to be able to assign discrete, doable tasks | 12:22 |
| jelkner | and have you do them | 12:22 |
| jelkner | then i can look at the results, and judge what tasks to assign next | 12:23 |
| jelkner | so i have some resources we could use for html | 12:23 |
| jelkner | the project would involve each of you making your own personal web page | 12:24 |
| jelkner | i would use that to evaluate your progress | 12:24 |
| scooper | Jeff are we do??? | 12:24 |
| mulbah | yeah | 12:24 |
| scooper | done? | 12:24 |
| jelkner | scooper, i don't understand? | 12:24 |
| scooper | We were discussing | 12:24 |
| scooper | But didn't conclude yet | 12:25 |
| jelkner | good point, scooper | 12:25 |
| jelkner | my apologies | 12:25 |
| jelkner | please continue | 12:25 |
| scooper | So | 12:26 |
| scooper | if you want me serve as study class teacher for html and css | 12:26 |
| scooper | they have to be in before 4:0- and end 5 | 12:26 |
| scooper | before of my distance now | 12:27 |
| scooper | because of my distance now Jeff | 12:27 |
| scooper | I they willing to abide by those guideline? | 12:28 |
| scooper | are | 12:28 |
| jelkner | scooper, are you looking for a reply from me here, or are you asking the interns? | 12:29 |
| jelkner | interns, what do you all think? | 12:36 |
| jelkner | i need to hear from you | 12:36 |
| jelkner | can we start with our graduates? fkoikoi, jallah, what do you think? | 12:36 |
| scooper | I m asking them all??? | 12:36 |
| dcammue | +1! we are willing Scooper | 12:37 |
| jelkner | well, at least i know daniel is willing! | 12:38 |
| fkoikoi | yes, we are willing to abide by the guideline | 12:38 |
| tboimah | +1 i'm willing. | 12:38 |
| jelkner | great, tboimah | 12:38 |
| jelkner | and fkoikoi | 12:38 |
| jelkner | but i want to know more | 12:38 |
| jelkner | not just "are you willing"" | 12:38 |
| janet | +1 is okay with me | 12:38 |
| svaye | +1 I am willing | 12:38 |
| jelkner | but "what do you want?" | 12:38 |
| jelkner | that's why i started with the two graduates | 12:39 |
| jelkner | you're out of high school now | 12:39 |
| jelkner | what are you plans, and how do you see this fitting into them? | 12:39 |
| mulbah | +1 jeff it is cool | 12:39 |
| tboimah | what you means by what do you want jeff? | 12:40 |
| jelkner | well, why don't you try asking me the same question and see how i respond, tboimah? | 12:40 |
| jelkner | that might give you an idea | 12:40 |
| mulbah | show | 12:41 |
| jelkner | ask me, mulbah | 12:41 |
| jelkner | type out the question so i can understand it | 12:42 |
| tboimah | what do you think jeff? | 12:42 |
| jelkner | what do i think, or what do i want, tboimah? | 12:42 |
| jelkner | what do i think about what? | 12:43 |
| tboimah | sorry what do you want? | 12:43 |
| jelkner | ahh, ok | 12:43 |
| jelkner | i have big dreams | 12:43 |
| jelkner | i want to do something that helps make the world a more just and equitable place | 12:43 |
| jelkner | i hate inequality, injustice, exploitation, and oppression | 12:44 |
| jelkner | so i want to use my life to try to make it better in whatever small ways i can | 12:44 |
| tboimah | that nice to year | 12:44 |
| jelkner | for myself, my children, my friends and neighbors, and all god's children | 12:44 |
| jelkner | that's what i want | 12:44 |
| tboimah | hear | 12:44 |
| jelkner | now, more specifically, what do i want from our work together here? | 12:45 |
| jelkner | i'll answer that too. | 12:45 |
| jelkner | i want to help my friend the Superintendent develop an ICT program in MCSS that can help the country of Liberia develop cadre with the ICT skills needed | 12:46 |
| jelkner | to move the country forward | 12:46 |
| jelkner | i want to start with a small group of hard working, dedicated students, and train them to be leaders in this field | 12:46 |
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| jelkner | i also want to see if economic partnerships are possible between Liberia and cooperators in the US that can be mutually beneficial | 12:47 |
| jelkner | i could go on and on | 12:47 |
| jelkner | and talk about what i want all day long | 12:48 |
| jelkner | since i think about it a lot | 12:48 |
| jelkner | does that give you and idea what i'm asking? | 12:48 |
| scooper | Yes Jeff | 12:48 |
| svaye | +1 | 12:48 |
| jelkner | what inspires you to be here? what makes you want to show up each week? | 12:48 |
| tboimah | +1 | 12:48 |
| scooper | I want you drean to be visualize | 12:48 |
| fkoikoi | +1 | 12:48 |
| scooper | that is my main objective for now | 12:48 |
| mulbah | +1 | 12:49 |
| janet | sure | 12:49 |
| mulbah | it is a good idea | 12:49 |
| jelkner | but scooper, it isn't democracy unless my dream changes to become our dream in the context of what we are doing here together | 12:49 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:49 |
| jelkner | what i mean is, we need to learn from each other | 12:49 |
| jelkner | and develop our plans together | 12:49 |
| jelkner | that's why over time i need to understand what motives each of you | 12:49 |
| jelkner | i wanted to start with the graduates | 12:50 |
| scooper | ok | 12:50 |
| jelkner | since they are at a point in their lives now where they need to think about what they do after high school | 12:50 |
| jelkner | ok, unless anyone has more to say on this topic for now, we need to refocus on the concrete tasks for next week | 12:51 |
| jelkner | we won't get anywhere unless we can continue to develop real skills | 12:51 |
| jallah | +1 | 12:51 |
| jelkner | ok, scooper | 12:52 |
| jelkner | do you want me to suggest curriculum materials? | 12:53 |
| tboimah | sure | 12:53 |
| scooper | Yes Jeff let me follow you teaching stuff | 12:53 |
| scooper | your | 12:53 |
| scooper | to be on path with you | 12:53 |
| jelkner | one more practical question: | 12:54 |
| jelkner | how is the bandwidth? | 12:54 |
| jelkner | let me post a link and see if it loads for you: | 12:55 |
| scooper | Here, ou mean right now? | 12:55 |
| jelkner | https://github.com/ | 12:55 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:55 |
| jelkner | Here is a link to the student pages in my class this year: https://ict.gctaa.net/sections/webdesign/students.html | 12:56 |
| jelkner | They all have accounts on github | 12:56 |
| jelkner | where they host their websites | 12:56 |
| jallah | should we put in our email or we should sign up? | 12:56 |
| jelkner | jallah, you should use a personal email address for your github account | 12:57 |
| jelkner | since it will be *your* website | 12:57 |
| jallah | +1 | 12:57 |
| jelkner | i forgot to mention git | 12:57 |
| jelkner | on our list of skills | 12:57 |
| dcammue | ok | 12:57 |
| jelkner | so we don't really need the github account yet | 12:58 |
| scooper | the link you send led me into my personal gihub account Jeff | 12:58 |
| jelkner | since we don't know git | 12:58 |
| svaye | can we sign up | 12:58 |
| jelkner | LoL, that's because your browser remembers, svaye | 12:58 |
| jelkner | scooper: | 12:58 |
| jelkner | anyway, let's not get distracted with the github account | 12:59 |
| scooper | Yes | 12:59 |
| scooper | +1 | 12:59 |
| jelkner | we're not ready for it yet, since we don't know git | 12:59 |
| jallah | +1 | 12:59 |
| jelkner | scooper, it might make more sense for us at this point to use a shell account | 13:00 |
| svaye | what do you mean by my browser remembers | 13:00 |
| jelkner | sorry, svaye | 13:00 |
| jallah | what is a shell account Jeff ? | 13:01 |
| jelkner | that was a tab completion mistake | 13:01 |
| jelkner | jallah a "shell account" is what i showed you in class | 13:01 |
| jelkner | where you use ssh to log in to a remote machine | 13:01 |
| jelkner | i could setup a server in germany next week | 13:01 |
| jelkner | with the domain: students.mcssliberia.org | 13:02 |
| jelkner | and give you all accounts on it | 13:02 |
| jelkner | you could ssh in | 13:02 |
| jelkner | and put your websites there | 13:02 |
| jelkner | i think that would be our best plan for this stage | 13:02 |
| jelkner | *later*, when both your unix and your html / css skills are better, you can move your websites to github | 13:03 |
| jelkner | that should be our plan | 13:03 |
| scooper | got you | 13:03 |
| jelkner | so, scooper | 13:03 |
| scooper | I you leaving now | 13:03 |
| jelkner | here's what we'll do this week | 13:03 |
| scooper | are | 13:03 |
| jelkner | hold on for 2 minutes | 13:03 |
| jelkner | so we can make our plan | 13:03 |
| jelkner | and then both leave | 13:04 |
| jelkner | students: you will begin reading and working with lesson 1 here: http://www.openbookproject.net/tutorials/getdown/html/ | 13:04 |
| scooper | what text editor do unix use to teach html and css?? for window is notepad ++ for beginner | 13:04 |
| jelkner | scooper: you will use tuesday and friday to help them | 13:04 |
| jelkner | jelkner: you will get a server on thursday for student shell accounts | 13:05 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:05 |
| jelkner | LoL | 13:05 |
| jelkner | we will check in next saturday and see where we are | 13:05 |
| jelkner | jallah and fkoikoi: you will send me an email during the week with your dreams and plans | 13:05 |
| scooper | Talking to me Jeff???? | 13:05 |
| jelkner | to everyone, scooper, including you | 13:06 |
| jelkner | any questions before i let you all get to work? | 13:06 |
| mulbah | jeff my nova web email is still giving me problem | 13:07 |
| fkoikoi | yes concerning the email | 13:07 |
| jelkner | mulbah: we need to ask adrian or aaron about that | 13:07 |
| jelkner | you can send an email from your personal email address describing the problem | 13:08 |
| fkoikoi | I don't have a nova web email so how will I sent you an email | 13:08 |
| jelkner | i'll paste their email addresses here | 13:08 |
| jelkner | you do, fkoikoi, but you can start using your personal email | 13:08 |
| jelkner | i can help you with the nova web email once we get writing to each other | 13:09 |
| mulbah | i try it but no response | 13:09 |
| jelkner | adrian.buchholz@novawebdevelopment.org | 13:10 |
| jelkner | aaron.rabach@novawebdevelopment.org | 13:10 |
| jelkner | mulbah: what do you mean? | 13:10 |
| jelkner | another skill i need to teach you is how to use email effectively | 13:10 |
| jelkner | it is more about good communication than it is about tech, but it includes both | 13:11 |
| jelkner | you should email adrian, and cc aaron and me | 13:11 |
| mulbah | i can not long in to my email | 13:11 |
| jelkner | jeff.elkner@novawebdevelopment.org | 13:11 |
| jelkner | so, mulbah, do you have a gmail account? | 13:11 |
| mulbah | yes | 13:11 |
| jelkner | use that for now, then | 13:12 |
| jelkner | i can reset your password and send it to you if that is the issue | 13:12 |
| jelkner | but you can email from your gmail to my novawebdevelopment email, and include adrian and aaron | 13:12 |
| jelkner | with cc | 13:12 |
| jelkner | other questions? | 13:13 |
| jallah | Jeff, is it my personal email that I'm gonna email you on or what ? | 13:14 |
| jelkner | jallah use whatever works, for now | 13:14 |
| dcammue | I did something like that the other day, I don't konw if your saw it. | 13:14 |
| dcammue | on goole | 13:15 |
| jallah | what was that? | 13:15 |
| jelkner | dcammue: i just replied to your email | 13:18 |
| dcammue | is all about my novaweb account | 13:18 |
| dcammue | ok | 13:18 |
| dcammue | thanks | 13:19 |
| jelkner | remember everyone, email is for longer, more detailed messages that require thought | 13:19 |
| jelkner | it isn't chat | 13:19 |
| jelkner | so don't send an email saying, "Hi" | 13:19 |
| jelkner | i get too many emails | 13:19 |
| fkoikoi | alright | 13:19 |
| jelkner | only send an email with communications that require time and thought | 13:19 |
| jelkner | otherwise, chat is better | 13:20 |
| jelkner | ok, anything else? | 13:20 |
| jelkner | i want you to have time to start looking at html | 13:20 |
| jelkner | last call for questions before i sign off... | 13:21 |
| scooper | got you jeff | 13:21 |
| mulbah | so soon jeff | 13:22 |
| jelkner | okie dokie, everyone, have a great week and see you next saturday | 13:22 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the day... | 13:22 |
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| scooper | We will start tuesday but will not assist on friday because this coming week is my final exam week at UoPeople, I need a little time to study Jeff, would that be ok for us???? | 13:24 |
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