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| jelkner | !agenda | 12:47 |
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| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 12:47 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss democratic decision making and our budgeting process. (added by jelkner) | 12:47 |
| LittleWebster | Alliance for Housing Solutions - a look ahead at where we need to go. (added by jelkner) | 12:47 |
| fkoikoi | Hi Jeff | 12:47 |
| jelkner | Good day, fkoikoi | 12:47 |
| fkoikoi | How are you today? | 12:47 |
| svaye | Good morning Jeff | 12:47 |
| jelkner | Good day, svaye | 12:48 |
| svaye | How are you doing Jeff | 12:48 |
| jelkner | LOL, i appreciate your interest, fkoikoi and svaye, and i don't mean to be rude, but i'm trying to avoid having to type "how i am" 8 times ;-) | 12:51 |
| jelkner | tell you what, one of you can ask when the meeting starts, and i'll answer then ;-) | 12:51 |
| jelkner | good morning tmickelson, good to see you here | 12:51 |
| tmickelson | good morning jelkner | 12:51 |
| scooper | Good morning Jeff | 12:51 |
| jelkner | Good day, scooper | 12:52 |
| scooper | Thanks I received those items from the superintendent yesterday. | 12:52 |
| jelkner | excellent | 12:52 |
| scooper | BUt unfortunately the two phones and Jallah computer has a password | 12:52 |
| jkoleah | good morning Jeff | 12:52 |
| jelkner | yes it does | 12:52 |
| jelkner | the password on the phone is 1234 | 12:52 |
| scooper | I already give Jallah his phone | 12:53 |
| jelkner | so you can change it once you get in | 12:53 |
| scooper | Jallah too need his computer password | 12:53 |
| scooper | Thanks | 12:54 |
| jelkner | i believe i set it to the same thing as the username | 12:54 |
| jkoleah | It's not going through | 12:55 |
| scooper | Thanks the phone work | 12:55 |
| jelkner | otherwise, you may need to learn to override a machine with an unknown password, which is something you should learn do to. | 12:55 |
| scooper | I m giving one of the phone to a student | 12:55 |
| jelkner | good | 12:55 |
| jelkner | i'm really glad to hear that | 12:55 |
| jelkner | hopefully to a student who can use it to learn to be a power user | 12:56 |
| jelkner | so that knownledge and skill in our community continues to grow | 12:56 |
| scooper | The person is svage | 12:56 |
| jelkner | great, svaye | 12:56 |
| jelkner | know you have some new responsibilities to learn ;-) | 12:56 |
| jelkner | s/know/now | 12:57 |
| scooper | She won the game we play yesterday | 12:57 |
| jelkner | scooper if you were there yesterday, why did no one come on irc at 1:30 pm | 12:58 |
| jelkner | we didn't see anyone all week | 12:58 |
| jelkner | tmickelson checked every day | 12:58 |
| scooper | Yesterday I thought it was later | 12:58 |
| jelkner | it is the same time every day, scooper | 12:58 |
| scooper | because they show up by 3-5 liberia time | 12:58 |
| jelkner | 9:30 to 10 am our time, oh, 2:30 to 3 pm your time | 12:59 |
| jelkner | that's the only time we can do it | 12:59 |
| scooper | I m sorry Jeff | 12:59 |
| jelkner | np, scooper | 12:59 |
| jelkner | but we didn't accomplish too much last week | 12:59 |
| jelkner | i looked at the git repos | 13:00 |
| jelkner | not many commits | 13:00 |
| jelkner | oops, tmickelson, it didn't work | 13:00 |
| jelkner | LittleWebster did not fire | 13:00 |
| jelkner | it's 8 am | 13:00 |
| scooper | Daniel, svage and thomas did | 13:00 |
| scooper | they were the few students that show up yesterday | 13:01 |
| jelkner | ok, let's start | 13:01 |
| jelkner | Good day, everyone | 13:01 |
| mulbah | Good day jeff | 13:01 |
| scooper | Good day Jeff | 13:01 |
| jelkner | tmickelson is here with us because he was tasked with learning how to control LittleWebster | 13:01 |
| jelkner | LittleWebster is supposted to automatically print the agenda at 8 am EST and to start our meeting | 13:02 |
| scooper | welcome tmickelson, thanks for being here | 13:02 |
| jelkner | but it still isn't working, so i'll print it myself | 13:02 |
| jelkner | !agenda | 13:02 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 13:02 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss democratic decision making and our budgeting process. (added by jelkner) | 13:02 |
| LittleWebster | Alliance for Housing Solutions - a look ahead at where we need to go. (added by jelkner) | 13:02 |
| jelkner | i sent an email to all of you about another student from last Summer who asked to join the group | 13:03 |
| jelkner | did you receive it? | 13:03 |
| scooper | Yes I saw the mail | 13:03 |
| tboimah | +1 | 13:03 |
| jelkner | only two of you saw it? | 13:03 |
| svaye | I saw it | 13:04 |
| fkoikoi | I saw it too | 13:04 |
| jkoleah | +1 | 13:04 |
| jelkner | ok, but no one responded | 13:04 |
| jelkner | why? | 13:04 |
| jelkner | to have a conversation, it takes more than one person | 13:04 |
| dcammue | mine still giving problem | 13:05 |
| jkoleah | I thought you said it's a group discussion Jeff | 13:05 |
| scooper | For me I remain mute because I already spook my mind Jeff | 13:05 |
| jelkner | i need your guidance | 13:05 |
| jelkner | i don't know what to tell the student unless i hear from you | 13:06 |
| scooper | Talking to me Jeff?? | 13:06 |
| svaye | We wanted to discuss it as a group that's why we didn't respond | 13:06 |
| jelkner | ok, svaye | 13:06 |
| jkoleah | sure | 13:06 |
| jelkner | that sounds reasonable | 13:06 |
| jelkner | but let's use this as a chance to talk more about our process | 13:06 |
| jelkner | you all are there together | 13:06 |
| jkoleah | yes | 13:07 |
| jelkner | so you can talk among yourselves when you meet in person | 13:07 |
| jelkner | then one of you could send me an email, so i know what is going on | 13:07 |
| jelkner | don't leave me in silence | 13:07 |
| jelkner | it makes it hard for me to plan | 13:07 |
| jelkner | and you all know i *love* to plan! | 13:08 |
| jelkner | ;-) | 13:08 |
| jelkner | efficient communication will be key to our future success | 13:08 |
| jelkner | so, what to you all want to do? | 13:08 |
| scooper | LEt vote | 13:09 |
| scooper | since we all have already understand the content of the mail | 13:09 |
| jelkner | ok, before we vote, let me review how | 13:09 |
| jelkner | +1 - yes | 13:09 |
| jelkner | 0 - abstain | 13:10 |
| tboimah | we just have a discussion the group is saying that it is not the right time now to add another person. | 13:10 |
| jelkner | -1 - no | 13:10 |
| jelkner | ok, tboimah. thank you | 13:10 |
| jelkner | moving on to the next item | 13:10 |
| mulbah | -no | 13:10 |
| jelkner | 0 | 13:10 |
| dcammue | -1 | 13:10 |
| jelkner | i'm confused | 13:11 |
| jkoleah | +1 | 13:11 |
| jelkner | hold on | 13:11 |
| jelkner | let's do this right, so our records are clear | 13:11 |
| jelkner | there are 8 of us here | 13:12 |
| scooper | For me Jeff is a NO | 13:12 |
| jelkner | *each* person should vote, then the vote will be over | 13:12 |
| jelkner | ready? | 13:12 |
| jelkner | Now... | 13:12 |
| jelkner | 0 | 13:12 |
| tboimah | -1 | 13:13 |
| jkoleah | +1 | 13:13 |
| mulbah | -1 | 13:13 |
| fkoikoi | +1 | 13:13 |
| scooper | abstain | 13:13 |
| jelkner | that's 0, scooper | 13:13 |
| dcammue | -1 | 13:13 |
| svaye | -1 | 13:13 |
| janet | -1 | 13:14 |
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| jelkner | great | 13:14 |
| jelkner | this is a big day for us | 13:14 |
| jelkner | we are making progress | 13:14 |
| jelkner | we took a vote, and even though we didn't all agree, we made a decision | 13:14 |
| jelkner | the vote was Yes - 2, No - 5 Abstain - 2 | 13:15 |
| jelkner | the NO's have it | 13:15 |
| jelkner | we can talk about this again in 6 months or so | 13:15 |
| jelkner | but for now, no new member | 13:15 |
| jelkner | it is going to be very important if we are going to start a worker co-op to learn how to take decisions like this | 13:16 |
| jelkner | Next item, which is related, is the budget | 13:16 |
| jelkner | as i have said several times, i can afford to send $650 per month | 13:16 |
| jelkner | that's all i can send | 13:16 |
| jelkner | so you all need to spend that limited budget together | 13:17 |
| jelkner | some items are fixed | 13:17 |
| jelkner | that budget needs to cover the cost of UoPeople fees for fkoikoi, jkoleah, and scooper | 13:17 |
| jelkner | our plan is to budget for all of you to be able to attend when you graduate | 13:18 |
| jelkner | so you all need to support the first 3 of you | 13:18 |
| jelkner | who can help the others along when it is their time | 13:18 |
| jelkner | i plan to start a non-profit this Summer | 13:18 |
| jelkner | called Social Justice Computing | 13:19 |
| jelkner | a non-profit, also called a 501c3 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)(3)_organization) | 13:19 |
| jelkner | will enable me to ask for donations from other folks here to support our project | 13:20 |
| jelkner | that's fine to help us move forward | 13:20 |
| jelkner | but i am hoping to come to Monrovia again the following Summer (2024) to start a work co-op business with you there | 13:20 |
| jelkner | so that instead of having to ask for assistance, we can generate our own revenue from our own resources | 13:21 |
| jelkner | NOVA Web Development had a meeting on Thursday night to discuss whether we should meet with a perspective customer to take on their website | 13:22 |
| jelkner | you can read that discussion in our irclogs | 13:22 |
| jelkner | https://irclogs.novawebdevelopment.org/%23novawebdev/2023-01-19.log.html | 13:22 |
| jelkner | i was hoping scooper would be at that meeting | 13:22 |
| jelkner | please take a look at it this week | 13:22 |
| scooper | OK Jeff | 13:23 |
| jelkner | i want you to begin to see what level of skill you will need to make our business successful | 13:23 |
| jelkner | you can watch over the next two years as we handle some of the customers we have | 13:23 |
| jelkner | and little by little, when you have the skills, you can begin to take on some of that work | 13:24 |
| jelkner | that's the plan | 13:24 |
| scooper | I you done?? | 13:24 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 13:24 |
| scooper | Thanks for everything Jeff | 13:25 |
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| scooper | We as interns understand and support your vision toward us. | 13:25 |
| scooper | Having you around is a complete blessing for us. | 13:26 |
| jelkner | that sounds fine, scooper, but as long as it is only my vision, i have failed | 13:26 |
| jelkner | a worker co-op is a democratic organization | 13:26 |
| jelkner | until it becomes *our vision* | 13:26 |
| jelkner | we don't have it | 13:26 |
| scooper | OK our vision | 13:27 |
| jelkner | and that means it changes as we decide together what it will be | 13:27 |
| jelkner | the more you learn, the more your considered opinion will emerge | 13:28 |
| jelkner | i look forward to the day when i loose a vote | 13:28 |
| jelkner | that will mean we are making progress | 13:28 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 13:28 |
| dcammue | can I come in | 13:28 |
| jelkner | sure dcammue | 13:28 |
| jelkner | no one is really chairing | 13:29 |
| jelkner | just jump in | 13:29 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 13:29 |
| dcammue | I didn't understand what you said about the budget | 13:30 |
| jelkner | ok, i can see that | 13:30 |
| jelkner | let me try to be more clear | 13:30 |
| dcammue | and secondly can we follow the meeting | 13:31 |
| jelkner | for now, i will send $650.00 per month | 13:31 |
| jelkner | ? | 13:31 |
| dcammue | ? | 13:31 |
| jelkner | what do you mean "can we follow the meeting?" | 13:31 |
| jelkner | i don't understand | 13:31 |
| dcammue | can we follow the meeting | 13:32 |
| dcammue | I mean the link you sent us | 13:33 |
| jelkner | ah | 13:33 |
| jelkner | you should do that after we finish here | 13:34 |
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| jelkner | you should read that, and talk about it | 13:34 |
| dcammue | okay | 13:34 |
| dcammue | Thanks | 13:34 |
| jelkner | let's finish with what you need me here for first | 13:34 |
| jelkner | you can do that after i'm gone | 13:34 |
| jelkner | let me finish with the budget | 13:34 |
| jelkner | i would suggest that you all ask scooper, since he is the treasure | 13:35 |
| jelkner | treasurere | 13:35 |
| jelkner | aah | 13:35 |
| jelkner | i can't spell! | 13:35 |
| jelkner | anyway, you know what i mean ;-) | 13:35 |
| jelkner | i would suggest you ask him for a financial report once a month | 13:35 |
| jelkner | what money came in, what money went out, and for what it was spent | 13:36 |
| jelkner | then you decide together how to use it | 13:36 |
| jelkner | *but*, you must pay for the fixed expenses | 13:36 |
| jelkner | in other words | 13:36 |
| jelkner | you have to pay for college | 13:36 |
| jelkner | after that, you can use whatever is left over however you think is most wise | 13:36 |
| jelkner | dcammue: does that help clarify things? | 13:37 |
| dcammue | yes | 13:37 |
| dcammue | Thanks | 13:37 |
| jelkner | btw, dcammue i'm glad you are asking about it | 13:38 |
| jelkner | even though UoPeople is not too expensive | 13:38 |
| jelkner | next year, after svaye, mulbah, tboimah, and dcammue graduate | 13:38 |
| jelkner | we will need more than $650 per month | 13:39 |
| jelkner | that is part of what i want to accomplish with the non-profit | 13:39 |
| jelkner | to get other folks to help fund the education expense | 13:39 |
| jelkner | so all of you who want to can go to college | 13:39 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 13:39 |
| dcammue | ok | 13:40 |
| jelkner | so, any other questions for me? | 13:40 |
| jelkner | or should you all just get to work | 13:41 |
| jelkner | ? | 13:41 |
| jelkner | btw. next week we may have a new guest instructor | 13:41 |
| jelkner | my friend Sahnun would like to join us a teacher | 13:41 |
| jkoleah | sounds great | 13:42 |
| janet | that's good | 13:42 |
| fkoikoi | great | 13:42 |
| dcammue | Will he be teaching us that day? | 13:43 |
| jelkner | he is a web professional | 13:43 |
| tboimah | good to hear that | 13:43 |
| jelkner | we will both be here | 13:43 |
| jelkner | i am excited about this | 13:43 |
| jelkner | since he has real experience as a professional | 13:43 |
| jelkner | i'm just a teacher | 13:43 |
| scooper | wow sound great | 13:43 |
| scooper | Thanks to Sahnun | 13:44 |
| scooper | We appreciate his kind gesture | 13:44 |
| jelkner | me too | 13:44 |
| jelkner | but remember, teaching is joyful | 13:44 |
| jelkner | so while he is certainly being kind | 13:44 |
| jelkner | the kindness goes both ways | 13:45 |
| jelkner | ok, let's talk about what we want to accomplish | 13:45 |
| jelkner | and then i will go off and start planning lessons | 13:45 |
| jelkner | i posted several questions in the week 1 lesson | 13:46 |
| jelkner | do you feel ready to discuss them? | 13:46 |
| jelkner | https://students.mcssliberia.org/goals/week01.html | 13:46 |
| jelkner | if not, we can do it next week with Sahnun | 13:46 |
| jelkner | but i want you to be ready | 13:46 |
| jelkner | to give him a good welcome | 13:46 |
| jelkner | here is how i am hoping it will go, something like this: | 13:47 |
| jelkner | ok class, who can tell me what a webserver is? | 13:48 |
| jelkner | janet answers "I can!" | 13:48 |
| jelkner | and then she gives us a thoughtful answer, which we then discuss | 13:48 |
| jelkner | that's the learning environment i am hoping we can create little by little as we move forward | 13:49 |
| jelkner | eventually, you all generate the questions we discuss, not me | 13:49 |
| jelkner | and we will have arrived at a true learning community | 13:49 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 13:49 |
| jelkner | scooper: what's next? | 13:51 |
| jelkner | they need time to work | 13:51 |
| scooper | OK | 13:51 |
| jelkner | so we should probably end the meeting here and let them do that | 13:51 |
| scooper | I wanted to ask you something Jeff | 13:51 |
| jelkner | i'll drop in each day at 3:30 pm your time during the week | 13:52 |
| jelkner | sure scooper | 13:52 |
| jelkner | shoot | 13:52 |
| scooper | Unfortunately for me this gone thursday I didn't attend the NOVAWEB meeting | 13:52 |
| scooper | So my question | 13:52 |
| scooper | When will Aaron do the deployment? | 13:52 |
| scooper | Secondly will he use the project I did or the girl project? sorry I got her name again | 13:53 |
| jelkner | it is important to attend those meetings when you can, scooper | 13:53 |
| jelkner | because like i've mentioned many times before | 13:53 |
| jelkner | you and i are managing *volunteers* | 13:53 |
| jelkner | they do what they do | 13:53 |
| jelkner | we need to encourage them to move things forward | 13:53 |
| jelkner | it will take time | 13:53 |
| jelkner | i asked Dafni how she is doing | 13:54 |
| jelkner | she said she only has two more pages | 13:54 |
| scooper | Jeff | 13:54 |
| jelkner | my plan is to deliver a static website that looks just like the one you have now | 13:54 |
| jelkner | then we can work on the development workflow you will use to change it going forward | 13:55 |
| scooper | Why can we deploy my static project for now | 13:55 |
| jelkner | not a great idea, scooper | 13:55 |
| jelkner | hold of on that | 13:55 |
| scooper | Since the sup have already saw what I did | 13:55 |
| jelkner | please come next thrusday | 13:55 |
| jelkner | and? | 13:55 |
| jelkner | does he want that instead? | 13:55 |
| scooper | Yes, because it has alot of new information about the mcss | 13:56 |
| jelkner | in that case | 13:56 |
| jelkner | you need to show up each day at 3:30 pm your time | 13:57 |
| jelkner | and communicate directly with thehedgeh0g | 13:57 |
| scooper | consider it a deal | 13:57 |
| jelkner | i will tell dafni, thanks, but we don't need the old site any more :-( | 13:57 |
| jelkner | dafni may be relieved, or she may feel a bit mad about doing all that work for nothing | 13:58 |
| jelkner | just like you did earlier, scooper ;-) | 13:58 |
| jelkner | anyway, this happens | 13:58 |
| scooper | I have already these the work to you and Aaron | 13:58 |
| jelkner | you didn't have it ready two weeks ago | 13:58 |
| scooper | I have already send the work to you and Aaron | 13:58 |
| jelkner | don't send it to me! | 13:58 |
| jelkner | i don't want to be in the middle of that | 13:58 |
| jelkner | i'm a project manager on this | 13:58 |
| jelkner | i'm not going to move the files or deploy them on the server, thehedgeh0g will | 13:59 |
| scooper | I only did it so you can know that I already send the work to Aaron | 13:59 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:59 |
| jelkner | that's smart | 13:59 |
| jelkner | and it's my job to check-in with Aaron to make sure the work is progressing | 13:59 |
| jelkner | which i will do | 13:59 |
| jelkner | cool, Monday at 3:30 pm your time then | 14:00 |
| jelkner | i'll see you then | 14:00 |
| scooper | OK Jeff | 14:00 |
| jelkner | ok, everyone, enjoy the rest of your weekend! | 14:00 |
| scooper | You sounding if to say we are done for today?? | 14:00 |
| scooper | are we?? | 14:00 |
| jelkner | and please, put in the time to be ready for Sahnun next Saturday | 14:00 |
| jelkner | i think we are, scooper | 14:01 |
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| jelkner | if students don't do much during the week | 14:01 |
| jelkner | we aren't ready for questions on Saturday | 14:01 |
| jelkner | so we should give them the time to work | 14:01 |
| jelkner | not sit around in a meeting they aren't ready for | 14:01 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 14:02 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 14:02 |
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| jelkner | scooper? | 14:03 |
| scooper | yes | 14:03 |
| jelkner | what do you think? | 14:03 |
| scooper | About what??? | 14:03 |
| jelkner | are we done? | 14:03 |
| scooper | You mean today class?? | 14:04 |
| jelkner | yes, LOL | 14:04 |
| jelkner | that's what you asked me about | 14:04 |
| jelkner | ACTION imagines scooper having two conversations at once, and not following this one... | 14:04 |
| scooper | Because you said I will see you then, | 14:04 |
| jelkner | i'm confused | 14:05 |
| jelkner | Class, are we finished? | 14:05 |
| scooper | YOU and I were talking | 14:05 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:05 |
| scooper | Then you concluded by saying you then | 14:05 |
| scooper | That I asked, are we done for today??? | 14:06 |
| scooper | That why I asked, are we done for today?? | 14:06 |
| jelkner | scooper: i can't see what is happening there | 14:06 |
| jelkner | so i'm guessing | 14:06 |
| scooper | No we are still here Jeff | 14:06 |
| jelkner | now i'm asking | 14:06 |
| jelkner | scooper: can i call you? | 14:06 |
| scooper | I haven install the app on my phone yet Jeff | 14:07 |
| scooper | After class I will install the app on my phone | 14:07 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:07 |
| jelkner | ok, i'm signing off | 14:07 |
| scooper | then we can talk | 14:07 |
| jelkner | see you all next Saturday! | 14:07 |
| scooper | Thanks for the time JEff | 14:08 |
| jelkner | bye dcammue_, fkoikoi, janet, jkoleah, mulbahk, svaye, and tboimah | 14:08 |
| fkoikoi | sure | 14:08 |
| svaye | Have a good day Jeff | 14:08 |
| jelkner | you too, svaye! | 14:08 |
| tboimah | okay | 14:08 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off... | 14:09 |
| janet | take care jeff | 14:09 |
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