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| jelkner | Good morning fkoikoi, scooper, and tboimah | 10:34 |
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| scooper | Good morning Jeff | 10:34 |
| jelkner | What's our plan for this morning, scooper? | 10:36 |
| jelkner | tmickelson is coming into the lab in a few hours to help me set up. | 10:36 |
| jelkner | i'm still at home | 10:36 |
| jelkner | so i'll need to leave by 7:15 am at the latest (11:15 your time) | 10:36 |
| scooper | Work with the web group and the python team this morning Jeff | 10:36 |
| scooper | I m here all day..... | 10:37 |
| scooper | if that can permit you.... | 10:37 |
| jelkner | what do you mean by, "work with"? | 10:37 |
| scooper | did you see the book on the server yesterday??? | 10:37 |
| jelkner | those teams should be studying togetehr, and coming to me with *specific* problems or issues. | 10:38 |
| jelkner | not yet | 10:38 |
| jelkner | let me check email | 10:38 |
| scooper | not email Jeff | 10:38 |
| tboimah | Good morning Jeff | 10:38 |
| scooper | it's on the server | 10:38 |
| jelkner | which server? | 10:38 |
| jelkner | i thought you would email me with the location? | 10:38 |
| scooper | students.mcssliberia.org server | 10:39 |
| scooper | it in my directory scooper | 10:39 |
| svaye | Good morning Jeff | 10:41 |
| jelkner | Good morning Shallon | 10:43 |
| gabriel_ | Hi jeff | 10:46 |
| fkoikoi_ | Jeff | 10:46 |
| jelkner | CSS The Missing Manual | 10:46 |
| jelkner | i see it scooper | 10:46 |
| sysadmin_ | nick scooper | 10:47 |
| jelkner | yes, i love that series | 10:47 |
| sysadmin_ | +1 | 10:47 |
| sysadmin_ | the CSS The Missing Manual | 10:47 |
| dcammue | Good morming Jeff | 10:47 |
| sysadmin_ | it's great | 10:48 |
| dcammue | I'm sorry for not attending these few days | 10:48 |
| jelkner | dcammue, you never finished the lesson 1 quiz | 10:48 |
| jelkner | i only see that you completed 1 question | 10:49 |
| dcammue | I was running after some things,but is well now | 10:49 |
| jelkner | so, for the web group, dcammue and svaye, you need to complete the lesson 1 quiz | 10:49 |
| jelkner | and then look over the questions you got wrong | 10:49 |
| dcammue | ok | 10:49 |
| jelkner | make note of vocabulary with which you are not familiar | 10:49 |
| svaye_ | I will take the quiz tomorrow Jeff | 10:49 |
| jelkner | excellent | 10:50 |
| jelkner | let me see how i can enable that | 10:50 |
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| gabriel_ | jeff | 10:52 |
| gabriel_ | gabriel here | 10:52 |
| gabriel_ | how're you | 10:52 |
| fkoikoi_ | Jeff | 10:52 |
| jelkner | Good morning gabriel_ | 10:52 |
| jelkner | scooper, i can't read the book | 10:52 |
| jelkner | it is encrypted | 10:52 |
| jelkner | i already have an older 2nd edition | 10:53 |
| jelkner | you have the 4th edition | 10:53 |
| svaye_ | https://zulip.com/help/desktop-app-install-guide this is the link fkoikoi | 10:53 |
| jelkner | you need curl | 10:54 |
| jelkner | so: sudo apt install curl | 10:54 |
| jelkner | might need to be done first | 10:54 |
| fkoikoi_ | I spoke with Janet, Jallah and dcammue yesterday. Janet was here yesterday and dcammue is here today | 10:55 |
| gabriel_ | jeff i need you to help me with the command to Write a script that counts the number of directories and sub-directories in the current directory. | 10:57 |
| gabriel_ | The current and parent directories should not be taken into account | 10:57 |
| gabriel_ | Hidden directories should be counted | 10:57 |
| fkoikoi_ | Janet is now going to school because she is in the 12th grade so she won't be here at 11:00pm our time, during the week but she will be here Saturday | 10:57 |
| scooper | hmmm | 10:58 |
| scooper | sound strange Jeff | 10:58 |
| jelkner | anyway scooper, i found a copy | 10:59 |
| jelkner | gabriel_, look at https://realpython.com/directory-tree-generator-python/ | 11:00 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi_, thanks | 11:00 |
| jelkner | dcammue is here now | 11:01 |
| jelkner | dcammue, what are your goals and plans? | 11:01 |
| jelkner | dcammue, it looks like you took the quiz again | 11:05 |
| jelkner | it let's you do that whenever you want? | 11:05 |
| jelkner | you took it twice? | 11:05 |
| jelkner | today | 11:05 |
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| dcammue | network issue | 11:07 |
| svaye | sorry Jeff we have issue with the internet | 11:07 |
| jelkner | understood | 11:08 |
| jelkner | so dcammue, i was saying that you may not want to take the quiz back-to-back like that | 11:09 |
| dcammue | yes | 11:09 |
| jelkner | remember, the questions on the actual certification won't be the same | 11:09 |
| dcammue | I should not do so? | 11:09 |
| jelkner | though they will cover the same content | 11:09 |
| dcammue | yes | 11:09 |
| jelkner | the goal is not to memorize specific answers to specific questions | 11:09 |
| jelkner | that won't help | 11:09 |
| jelkner | the goals are: | 11:10 |
| jelkner | 1. to learn the vocabulary and concepts | 11:10 |
| jelkner | 2. be able to answer any question involving those terms and concepts | 11:10 |
| jelkner | i make my students take quizzes on paper in class | 11:11 |
| dcammue | sure | 11:11 |
| jelkner | i give them 12 random questions for *all* previous lessons | 11:11 |
| jelkner | and on some of the questions, like the JavaScript ones we will see later | 11:12 |
| jelkner | i change the question to produce a different answer | 11:12 |
| jelkner | it is easiest to do that with JavaScript, since it is a programming language | 11:12 |
| dcammue | Are they performing well Jeff? | 11:12 |
| jelkner | this is a hard certification, dcammue | 11:13 |
| svaye | Is it possible for you to do that with us? | 11:13 |
| jelkner | i hope to do better this year than last year | 11:13 |
| jelkner | svaye, sadly, since i'm not there with you | 11:13 |
| jelkner | i can't give you paper quizzes | 11:13 |
| jelkner | but i can send you PDFs of them | 11:14 |
| svaye | I mean you could ask us two or three questions when we meet | 11:14 |
| dcammue | suer | 11:14 |
| dcammue | sure | 11:14 |
| jelkner | svaye, i will be able to do that sometimes | 11:15 |
| jelkner | but you have to remember | 11:15 |
| jelkner | i am *very* overextended | 11:15 |
| svaye | I understand Jeff | 11:15 |
| jelkner | so when you ask me to take on yet another responsibility, i get nervous | 11:15 |
| jelkner | i simply don't have the time to do it effectively | 11:15 |
| jelkner | what i can do is send you the PDFs that I am already preparing | 11:16 |
| dcammue | okay Jeff | 11:16 |
| svaye | It's okay Jeff | 11:16 |
| jelkner | you need to be in the "drivers seat" | 11:16 |
| jelkner | svaye, i will send you the PDFs | 11:16 |
| dcammue | right | 11:16 |
| svaye | Okay Jeff | 11:16 |
| jelkner | and we can talk about the questions that my students here are having the most trouble with | 11:16 |
| jelkner | but what i need from you is for you to strive to improve your "metacognitive abilities" | 11:18 |
| jelkner | "metacognition" is one of my favorite words | 11:19 |
| jelkner | it means "thinking about thinking" | 11:19 |
| svaye | Is a good word Jeff | 11:19 |
| jelkner | in the IT field, the most important skill we need is to learn how to learn | 11:19 |
| dcammue | Jeff, I do not understanding some about the XHTML | 11:19 |
| jelkner | dcammue, what do you want to know about XHTML? | 11:20 |
| svaye | Yes because if you learn to pay attention and learn from another person or learn new things on your own you will improve | 11:21 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:21 |
| jelkner | and you learn how to reflect on your own learning process and improve it based on a "feedback loop" | 11:22 |
| dcammue | XHTML incoorperate with xml | 11:22 |
| jelkner | let me say this, dcammue, you do not need to dive too deeply into XHTML | 11:22 |
| dcammue | what incoorperate means | 11:22 |
| jelkner | since it is not commonly used any more | 11:22 |
| dcammue | ok | 11:23 |
| jelkner | i will try to explain briefly | 11:23 |
| dcammue | sure | 11:23 |
| jelkner | XML stands for eXtensible Markup Language | 11:23 |
| jelkner | is is a language used to create other languages | 11:23 |
| jelkner | XML is important for data | 11:24 |
| jelkner | so it's good to remember the term | 11:24 |
| jelkner | you will see it again later | 11:24 |
| jelkner | SGML stands for Structured General purpose Markup Language | 11:24 |
| jelkner | it too is a language used to create other languages | 11:25 |
| jelkner | see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Generalized_Markup_Language | 11:25 |
| jelkner | btw. spending time "Wikipedia diving" is a useful thing to do ;-) | 11:25 |
| dcammue | Thanks | 11:25 |
| jelkner | HTML was originally defined with SGML | 11:26 |
| jelkner | after the "browser wars" period, in the late 1990s, there was an effort by the W3C | 11:26 |
| jelkner | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium | 11:27 |
| jelkner | to create a new XML based version of the language called XHTML | 11:27 |
| jelkner | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XHTML | 11:27 |
| jelkner | that effort failed | 11:27 |
| jelkner | XML is too strict | 11:27 |
| jelkner | if you had a single syntax error in your XHTML web page | 11:28 |
| jelkner | the page would produce an error, and not render in the browser | 11:28 |
| jelkner | So a group of industry players, including Microsoft, Apple, etc. | 11:28 |
| jelkner | came together and formed the WHATWG | 11:29 |
| jelkner | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHATWG | 11:29 |
| jelkner | That group developed HTML5 | 11:29 |
| jelkner | their version of HTML won the contest | 11:29 |
| jelkner | and the W3C eventually gave up on XHTML and adopted HTML5 | 11:30 |
| jelkner | there is still a version of HTML5 that can use XML | 11:30 |
| jelkner | so you *can* use the stricter form if you want to | 11:30 |
| jelkner | but hardly anyone does | 11:30 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 11:30 |
| jelkner | it is going to take several years for you to become comfortable with all this, dcammue | 11:31 |
| jelkner | there is *so much* to learn! | 11:32 |
| jelkner | so the goal is to keep moving forward, and over time, it will get easier | 11:32 |
| jelkner | since you will have more and more of the concepts you need to learn new concepts | 11:32 |
| jelkner | what Jetro Web Development needs most of all is for you to know how to apply your skills to make websites | 11:33 |
| dcammue_ | sorry Sir | 11:33 |
| jelkner | i need to go | 11:33 |
| dcammue_ | network issue | 11:33 |
| jelkner | yes, dcammue_ | 11:33 |
| dcammue_ | ok | 11:33 |
| jelkner | a common occurance | 11:33 |
| jelkner | dcammue_, you know how to view the log, yes? | 11:33 |
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| dcammue_ | Have a nice day then | 11:34 |
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| dcammue_ | yes | 11:34 |
| jelkner | https://irclogs.novawebdevelopment.org/%23novawebdev/2023-08-08.log.html | 11:34 |
| jelkner | take a look at my answer to your question there | 11:34 |
| jelkner | see you tomorrow at the same time | 11:35 |
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