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| fkoikoi | Good Morning Jeff | 11:37 |
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| jelkner | Good morning fkoikoi | 11:37 |
| jelkner | brb | 11:37 |
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| fkoikoi | !agenda | 11:39 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 11:39 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss ARTraffic support plan (added by jelkner) | 11:39 |
| LittleWebster | Introduce new devs to NOVA Web git repo (added by jelkner) | 11:39 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss plan to deploy LittleWebster on #accict (added by jelkner) | 11:39 |
| jelkner | Good morning fkoikoi, scooper, and tboimah! | 11:39 |
| jelkner | I believe #accict is logging | 11:39 |
| scooper | good morning Jeff | 11:39 |
| jelkner | if so, let's move there | 11:39 |
| scooper | ok | 11:40 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 11:40 |
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| jelkner | apologies for the confusion | 11:41 |
| jelkner | tmickelson's bot is buggy | 11:41 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 11:42 |
| jelkner | since we definitely need the two channels | 11:42 |
| jelkner | to better support our growing community | 11:42 |
| jelkner | i'm going to suggest we deploy the same bot LittleWebster is running on the other channel | 11:42 |
| jelkner | so that we can depend on it. | 11:42 |
| jelkner | i'll talk to tmickelson about that on Monday | 11:43 |
| jelkner | Good morning shmohamud! | 11:43 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, do you have an agenda for the meeting? | 11:47 |
| fkoikoi | Yes | 11:47 |
| jelkner | great | 11:47 |
| ledmer | Hello everyone I hope you are have a good morning! | 11:49 |
| jelkner | i'm busy preparing plans for your class on monday, ledmer | 11:49 |
| scooper | hello luise | 11:50 |
| scooper | how are you doing?? | 11:50 |
| ledmer | I'm good | 11:51 |
| ledmer | finishing up some homework | 11:51 |
| scooper | great | 11:51 |
| scooper | so you and myself need to meet online today | 11:52 |
| scooper | to be able to do the site mapping as a team | 11:52 |
| ledmer | Sure, since we already have the user stories we are able to start | 11:53 |
| scooper | I have a suggestion and want to get you view | 11:53 |
| scooper | I m almost done with the index page | 11:54 |
| scooper | Since we using django should send the html and css template first to you | 11:55 |
| scooper | before putting it in django?? | 11:55 |
| scooper | Good morning Shmohamud | 11:56 |
| ledmer | I think you should put it in DJango first | 11:56 |
| scooper | ok | 11:57 |
| scooper | what are you doing right now?? | 11:57 |
| scooper | should I create a github repository and share with you right now to view the starting up process?? | 11:58 |
| ledmer | that would be excellent | 11:59 |
| ledmer | because that way you don't need to ho trough the problem of telling me each time you change something | 11:59 |
| ledmer | I can just see it | 11:59 |
| ledmer | :) | 11:59 |
| ledmer | Are we going to use an ssh key to have access to it? | 12:01 |
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| dcammue_ | Good morning jelkner | 12:12 |
| scooper | ledmer | 12:15 |
| jelkner | Good morning dcammue_ | 12:15 |
| scooper | kindly check your email | 12:15 |
| jelkner | dcammue_, let's plan where we will host your rebranding project | 12:15 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking, you, svaye, and i can work on it together | 12:16 |
| dcammue_ | ok | 12:16 |
| jelkner | https://ict.gctaa.net/sections/webdev/students.html | 12:16 |
| jelkner | did you see this? | 12:16 |
| dcammue_ | maybe we can host it on codeberg | 12:17 |
| jelkner | we could, but we don't need to | 12:17 |
| jelkner | well yes | 12:17 |
| jelkner | but we have one other option too | 12:17 |
| ledmer | scooper, I will clone everything in my computer | 12:17 |
| jelkner | actually | 12:17 |
| jelkner | codeberg is the best idea | 12:18 |
| scooper | yes | 12:18 |
| jelkner | hold on, dcammue_ | 12:18 |
| scooper | make should to create a branch | 12:18 |
| scooper | make sure to create a branch | 12:18 |
| scooper | we will use github as we collaborate on this project for now | 12:20 |
| fkoikoi | 9 more minutes for the meeting to start | 12:21 |
| scooper | !agenda | 12:21 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 12:21 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss ARTraffic support plan (added by jelkner) | 12:21 |
| LittleWebster | Introduce new devs to NOVA Web git repo (added by jelkner) | 12:21 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss plan to deploy LittleWebster on #accict (added by jelkner) | 12:21 |
| scooper | whom chairing the meeting today???? | 12:23 |
| jelkner | scooper, this is the nova web meeting! | 12:23 |
| jelkner | not the mcss meeting | 12:23 |
| scooper | ok | 12:23 |
| jelkner | that's why we need two channnels | 12:23 |
| scooper | ok that means we are waiting still 10 your time right | 12:24 |
| scooper | before starting?? | 12:24 |
| jelkner | kei and julian will be chairing that meeting | 12:24 |
| jelkner | from 10 to 10:30 am EST | 12:24 |
| svaye | Good morning Jeff | 12:24 |
| scooper | ok got you | 12:24 |
| jelkner | Good morning svaye | 12:24 |
| jelkner | dcammue_, svaye, what are your codeberg user names? | 12:24 |
| fkoikoi | I am chairing the meeting today | 12:24 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:24 |
| scooper | that what I wanted to hear | 12:25 |
| jelkner | dcammue_, svaye, please paste them here | 12:25 |
| scooper | but is like protocol change | 12:25 |
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| jelkner | svaye, i'm waiting... | 12:26 |
| svaye | https://codeberg.org/svaye | 12:26 |
| jelkner | what happened to daniel? | 12:27 |
| scooper | daniel is sleeping in the lab | 12:27 |
| jelkner | dcammue, what is your codeberg user? | 12:27 |
| dcammue | Hahaha | 12:27 |
| jelkner | quick, quick | 12:27 |
| dcammue | just kidding | 12:27 |
| jelkner | dcammue, i'm not | 12:27 |
| jelkner | please paste your codeberg user | 12:28 |
| scooper | Daniel please drop the bag of gravel quick | 12:28 |
| jelkner | ok, svaye since dcammue is asleep at the wheel | 12:28 |
| jelkner | you and i will have to move on without him | 12:28 |
| dcammue | dcammue | 12:28 |
| jelkner | i just created a project and a team | 12:28 |
| dcammue | is my user name | 12:29 |
| jelkner | good, just added you | 12:29 |
| jelkner | https://codeberg.org/JetroWebDevelopment | 12:29 |
| jelkner | https://codeberg.org/org/JetroWebDevelopment/teams/webdevs | 12:29 |
| jelkner | let's make our rebranding Jetro Web Development | 12:30 |
| fkoikoi | Alright everyone, welcome and thanks for coming | 12:30 |
| fkoikoi | This is the agenda for today meeting | 12:30 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, don't we start at 9 am? | 12:30 |
| fkoikoi | Agenda | 12:30 |
| fkoikoi | 1. Recruitment Plan done by fkoikoi | 12:30 |
| fkoikoi | 2. Jeff Proposal to Daniel & Shallondone by Jelkner | 12:30 |
| fkoikoi | 3. AOB | 12:30 |
| jelkner | i'm confused | 12:30 |
| fkoikoi | about what Jeff | 12:30 |
| jelkner | we start our meeting in 30 minutes, yes? | 12:31 |
| fkoikoi | But you said that we should start by 12:30 | 12:31 |
| fkoikoi | yesterday | 12:31 |
| jelkner | my apologies for the confusion | 12:31 |
| jelkner | i was asking svaye and dcammue to be here now | 12:31 |
| jelkner | so we would have 30 minutes to get ready for the meeting | 12:32 |
| jelkner | that's why i'm rushing | 12:32 |
| fkoikoi | Okay but I added it to the agenda because you didn't discuss with dcammue and svaye yesterday | 12:33 |
| dcammue | can we continue jeff | 12:33 |
| svaye | jelkner,will we be pushing to the repository together | 12:34 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:34 |
| jelkner | this will give us the chance to learn to collaborate | 12:34 |
| jelkner | we can even learn git branching through this effort | 12:34 |
| jelkner | dcammue, svaye how would you like to proceed? | 12:35 |
| jelkner | svaye, you will need access to the CIW curriculum | 12:35 |
| jelkner | dcammue says he can help you with that | 12:35 |
| jelkner | but it is really important | 12:35 |
| svaye | Okay | 12:35 |
| jelkner | remember, you have a certification exam in April | 12:35 |
| jelkner | to make it possible for me to keep up with this | 12:36 |
| jelkner | we need to plan well | 12:36 |
| jelkner | so, svaye and dcammue are students in my web class | 12:36 |
| dcammue | yea | 12:36 |
| jelkner | you need to keep the same schedule the rest of the class keeps | 12:36 |
| jelkner | https://ict.gctaa.net/sections/webdev/calendar/ | 12:36 |
| jelkner | brb | 12:37 |
| dcammue | okay we will flow your class | 12:37 |
| svaye | we will flow with the class Jeff | 12:38 |
| ledmer | scooper check your email :) | 12:38 |
| scooper | ok Luise | 12:38 |
| dcammue | but this rebranding will be from the CIW right? | 12:39 |
| jelkner | dcammue, that's what i wanted to explain | 12:39 |
| dcammue | okay go ahead | 12:40 |
| jelkner | i call it a "rebranding" since the DOM elements and much of the style will be taken from CIW | 12:40 |
| jelkner | but the "branding" will be ours | 12:40 |
| jelkner | i have a serious homework for you two | 12:40 |
| jelkner | lesson 1 is due next Wednesday | 12:40 |
| jelkner | i have the feeling svaye is already behind, since she can't access the curriculum | 12:41 |
| jelkner | so, dcammue you have to help her catch up | 12:41 |
| dcammue | okay | 12:41 |
| jelkner | scooper, we need your help | 12:41 |
| scooper | ledmer I m done | 12:41 |
| scooper | check it | 12:41 |
| jelkner | i need from you: | 12:41 |
| jelkner | 1. A nice picture of the Jetro Web Development team | 12:41 |
| scooper | I m here Jeff | 12:41 |
| scooper | ok | 12:42 |
| scooper | I will send it today... | 12:42 |
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| jelkner | 2. A short audio (10 to 20 seconds) file saying something about Jetro Web Development | 12:42 |
| ledmer | scooper thank you! | 12:42 |
| scooper | you are welcome ledmer | 12:42 |
| scooper | now we can start the ball rolling ledner | 12:42 |
| scooper | ok jeff | 12:42 |
| jelkner | and an even shorter video (10 seconds maybe?) showing the lab at MCSS | 12:43 |
| dcammue | okay | 12:43 |
| scooper | granted | 12:43 |
| jelkner | dcammue, svaye i showed you this before | 12:43 |
| dcammue | we will | 12:43 |
| jelkner | but i'll show it again | 12:43 |
| dcammue | yea | 12:43 |
| jelkner | i made a sample "rebranding" about the color orange | 12:43 |
| jelkner | https://jejemplo.github.io/website/Orange/ | 12:44 |
| jelkner | our rebranding will be Jetro Web Development | 12:44 |
| jelkner | do you understand, dcammue? | 12:44 |
| dcammue | 1 | 12:44 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:44 |
| jelkner | Great! | 12:44 |
| svaye | I did a rebranding once and showed it to you jelkner | 12:45 |
| jelkner | paste a link here, svaye | 12:45 |
| jelkner | if you have it | 12:45 |
| jelkner | that can help me | 12:45 |
| jelkner | since i was going to start | 12:45 |
| jelkner | but if you already did, i'll build on what you have | 12:45 |
| svaye | It was on my mcss gittea repository | 12:46 |
| jelkner | great, paste a link here | 12:46 |
| jelkner | dcammue, question: What is an HTML element? | 12:46 |
| jelkner | quick quick | 12:47 |
| svaye | is it only for dcammue | 12:47 |
| jelkner | he's asleep in the lab again | 12:47 |
| dcammue | It contain a close tag and some content in between and a close tag | 12:47 |
| jelkner | LOL | 12:47 |
| jelkner | pretty good | 12:48 |
| jelkner | but you said close tag twice | 12:48 |
| jelkner | it is "An open tag, a close tag, with content in the middle" | 12:48 |
| jelkner | or inbetween | 12:48 |
| dcammue | like <body>here is a body element<body> | 12:48 |
| jelkner | so we will replacing the content | 12:48 |
| jelkner | but keeping the skeleton (the DOM) the same | 12:49 |
| jelkner | it makes it a great learning activity | 12:49 |
| jelkner | and, since we picked a rebranding that will be useful to us | 12:49 |
| jelkner | we get a useful product | 12:49 |
| jelkner | svaye, do you have that link? | 12:50 |
| jelkner | oops, dcammue | 12:50 |
| jelkner | you are missing a / | 12:50 |
| svaye | The MCSS gitea is not responding, but I will add it to my codeberg account now | 12:50 |
| dcammue | yes | 12:51 |
| dcammue | </body> | 12:51 |
| jelkner | yes, svaye sadly, old senile jelkner broke the mcss git server | 12:51 |
| jelkner | remember? | 12:51 |
| svaye | It's okay | 12:52 |
| jelkner | not really | 12:52 |
| dcammue | <body>here is a body element</body> | 12:52 |
| jelkner | but it is what it is | 12:52 |
| jelkner | +1 dcammue | 12:52 |
| svaye | I am trying to add it to my codeberg just give me few minutes | 12:52 |
| jelkner | sure | 12:52 |
| jelkner | svaye, dcammue one more question, and then we need to stop, since the meeting is about to start | 12:53 |
| dcammue | okay | 12:53 |
| jelkner | can you two make the 11 to 11:10 am stand-up meetings? | 12:53 |
| dcammue | yea | 12:53 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:53 |
| jelkner | perfect | 12:53 |
| jelkner | we can quickly plan our work then | 12:54 |
| jelkner | so, to sum up our tasks: | 12:54 |
| scooper | Jeff | 12:55 |
| jelkner | 1. work with scooper to get the photo, audio, and video files (svaye and dcammue) | 12:55 |
| scooper | I will send you the pictures with myself, freena, thomas and daniel today | 12:55 |
| jelkner | 2. set up the start of the rebranding using svaye's previous work (jelkner) | 12:55 |
| scooper | the other will not be present because they are not in the lab | 12:55 |
| jelkner | that's great scooper | 12:55 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 12:55 |
| dcammue | jelkner, will that meeting be between the two of us? | 12:55 |
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| dcammue | svaye, and dcammue | 12:56 |
| jelkner | if svaye can't attend, it will have to be | 12:56 |
| jelkner | as long as one of you is there each day | 12:56 |
| jelkner | that's what teamwork is all about | 12:56 |
| dcammue | okay | 12:56 |
| jelkner | i don't want to show and find no one | 12:56 |
| jelkner | so if you can't make dcammue, get svaye to cover for you | 12:56 |
| dcammue | it wouldn't be jelkner | 12:56 |
| jelkner | and visa versa | 12:57 |
| jelkner | great, dcammue | 12:57 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 12:57 |
| jelkner | ok, we are making progress web team! | 12:57 |
| jelkner | and we finished 2 minutes before show time | 12:58 |
| jelkner | well done | 12:58 |
| dcammue | can I ask | 12:59 |
| svaye | okay Jeff | 12:59 |
| jelkner | not now, dcammue | 13:00 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi is going to start the meeting | 13:00 |
| fkoikoi | Okay everyone, This is the agenda for today | 13:00 |
| fkoikoi | Agenda | 13:00 |
| fkoikoi | 1. Recruitment Plan done by fkoikoi | 13:00 |
| fkoikoi | 2. Jeff Proposal to Daniel & Shallondone by Jelkner | 13:00 |
| fkoikoi | 3. AOB | 13:00 |
| fkoikoi | So we move quickly to the first item on our agenda | 13:01 |
| fkoikoi | which is the Recruitment Plan | 13:01 |
| fkoikoi | I did a short like of what we need to do and how the process will be like | 13:02 |
| fkoikoi | and will need everyone input after my presentation | 13:02 |
| fkoikoi | RECRUITMENT PLAN | 13:03 |
| fkoikoi | 1. Write letters to the four government high schools. | 13:03 |
| fkoikoi | Before writing letters to schools, we need to know our targeted students, that is the total numbers of students that we want to partake in this training. In the letter to the schools, there will be a mandate giving that the computers instructors should be that one during the selection because that instructor knows which one of his students have the passion for computer. | 13:03 |
| fkoikoi | 2. Arranging a one or two days session with the chosen students, giving them an overview of how the training will be like. That is giving them an insight on the things that they will be doing during the training. | 13:04 |
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| fkoikoi | 3. Choosing a specific date for the training to start and dividing the class into section depending on the number of students. That is knowing the time that Jeff will be back in Liberia and working in that time to carry on the training process. | 13:04 |
| fkoikoi | But before the training, I will advise that we prepare a plan like a curriculum which will consist of the the things that will be taught during the training and when it should be taught. That way we can work or teach according to the plan and it also mean that we know what we are doing and won’t go off track. | 13:04 |
| fkoikoi | ACTION done | 13:05 |
| jelkner | This is excellent, fkoikoi! | 13:05 |
| scooper | Thanks fkoikoi | 13:05 |
| jelkner | And I'm sure you won't be surprised that I have a lot to say about it ;-) | 13:05 |
| fkoikoi | ACTION waiting for the team to view and for their input | 13:05 |
| jelkner | but i want others to go first | 13:05 |
| jelkner | well? | 13:06 |
| jelkner | what do folks think? | 13:06 |
| scooper | I and open | 13:07 |
| scooper | to work with any body | 13:07 |
| scooper | who is desirous of learning computer science... | 13:07 |
| scooper | ACTION done | 13:07 |
| tboimah | Firstly i like to ask will the training start before Jelkner come to Liberia or will we wait until jelkner come before the training start? | 13:07 |
| scooper | kindly check your signal check | 13:07 |
| scooper | I send the pictures and video already..... | 13:08 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, you did a great job thinking about this | 13:08 |
| jelkner | i told you that you a natural leader | 13:08 |
| jelkner | since no one else has an opinion at this point | 13:08 |
| jelkner | i suggest you and i work out the first phase of the plan | 13:09 |
| jelkner | do you agree fkoikoi? | 13:09 |
| fkoikoi | +1 | 13:09 |
| tboimah | I ask a question fkoikoi can you please answer. | 13:09 |
| jelkner | tboimah, i'm about to answer | 13:09 |
| jelkner | ok, let me try to keep this short | 13:09 |
| jelkner | but there is *so much* to say! | 13:09 |
| jelkner | one thing we do in schools when helping young folks plan for the future is ask the question "where do you want to be in 5 years?" | 13:10 |
| jelkner | or 10 years? | 13:10 |
| jelkner | i've been doing this for many years now | 13:10 |
| jelkner | so i have a pretty good idea of what i would like to see in 5 years | 13:10 |
| jelkner | but only half of it | 13:11 |
| jelkner | we have two projects that we are working on: | 13:11 |
| jelkner | 1. We are forming a web development cooperative you all have named Jetro Web Development | 13:11 |
| jelkner | 2. We are helping the Superintendant develop an ICT program withing MCSS | 13:11 |
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| jelkner | we need to keep clear that those are two very separate things | 13:12 |
| jelkner | but they will support each other | 13:12 |
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| jelkner | i would like you all to take a look at this site: | 13:12 |
| jelkner | https://facttic.org.ar/facttic/ | 13:13 |
| jelkner | The country in the world that has the most highly developed web worker cooperative sector is Argentina | 13:13 |
| jelkner | if you just look at the pictures in the link i sent | 13:13 |
| jelkner | you can get a feel for what a viable tech worker coop "looks like" | 13:14 |
| jelkner | in size, they seem to be around 30 people | 13:14 |
| jelkner | nova web development has had online meetings with some of them | 13:14 |
| jelkner | and i have been thinking about this problem since 2012 | 13:15 |
| jelkner | when kevin and i started nova web development | 13:15 |
| jelkner | we will learn through practice, of course | 13:15 |
| jelkner | democratic organizations that are healthy and strong will be continually revising their practices and adapting to change | 13:16 |
| jelkner | but we need some idea of what we are aiming for | 13:16 |
| jelkner | so, we now have 8 people | 13:16 |
| jelkner | that is definitely too few | 13:16 |
| jelkner | tboimah, now your question | 13:16 |
| jelkner | i will never have the time to do again what i did with you when i came last time | 13:16 |
| jelkner | the next phase is to "train the trainer" | 13:17 |
| jelkner | i will not be teaching beginners | 13:17 |
| jelkner | that will be your job | 13:17 |
| jelkner | i will continue to work with you to help teach you how to teach others | 13:17 |
| jelkner | that is a "train the trainer" plan | 13:17 |
| jelkner | *THAT* is what i'm coming next Summer for | 13:18 |
| jelkner | to work with you | 13:18 |
| jelkner | not to teach beginners | 13:18 |
| jelkner | understood? | 13:18 |
| jelkner | tboimah? | 13:18 |
| tboimah | yes one more question | 13:18 |
| jelkner | great! | 13:18 |
| jelkner | ask | 13:18 |
| svaye | take a look at this jelkner | 13:19 |
| svaye | https://svaye.codeberg.page/project/headproject/jetro.html | 13:19 |
| jelkner | awesome, svaye | 13:19 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 13:19 |
| jelkner | i'll start with this | 13:19 |
| svaye | Okay Jeff | 13:20 |
| jelkner | tboimah? | 13:20 |
| tboimah | It is every year we are going to host this program to recurite new member? how many person are we need to start the coperative? | 13:20 |
| jelkner | great questions, tboimah | 13:20 |
| jelkner | tboimah, may i ask you a favor? | 13:20 |
| tboimah | sure | 13:21 |
| jelkner | as fkoikoi develops her plan | 13:21 |
| jelkner | can you please look over it with her and discuss it with her? | 13:21 |
| tboimah | okay | 13:21 |
| jelkner | you will need to present it to the superintendent too | 13:22 |
| jelkner | so i will now try to answer your questions | 13:22 |
| jelkner | i just said that "successful coops seem to have about 30 members" | 13:22 |
| jelkner | it is not like there is a hard written rule about this | 13:22 |
| jelkner | my experience teaches me somewhere around that number is right | 13:23 |
| jelkner | why? | 13:23 |
| jelkner | because if you have fewer than that, you end up with a SINGLE POINT of FAILURE | 13:23 |
| jelkner | for example, if we had only one trained sys admin | 13:23 |
| jelkner | and that sys admin left | 13:23 |
| jelkner | we would be in DEEP TROUBLE | 13:23 |
| jelkner | so there needs to be enough redunancy in skills that people can come and go into the organization | 13:24 |
| jelkner | tboimah, does that make sense? | 13:24 |
| tboimah | yeah | 13:24 |
| jelkner | oh, and too many would be bad for democracy | 13:24 |
| tboimah | why? | 13:25 |
| jelkner | we don't want a single organization with a thousand members | 13:25 |
| jelkner | how would you make decisions | 13:25 |
| jelkner | imagine what meetings would be like with 1000 people offering their opinion | 13:25 |
| jelkner | the largest cooperative in the world is the Mondragon Cooperative | 13:26 |
| jelkner | https://www.mondragon-corporation.com/en/about-us/ | 13:26 |
| jelkner | it has 85 thousand members | 13:26 |
| jelkner | but they are organized into many many smaller cooperative businesses | 13:27 |
| jelkner | anyway, we don't have to worry about the too big problem just yet ;-) | 13:27 |
| jelkner | since it is the to small problem that most impacts us now | 13:27 |
| jelkner | but, we do want to think about the program in the schools | 13:28 |
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| jelkner | that will be on a bigger scale | 13:28 |
| jelkner | much bigger i imagine | 13:28 |
| jelkner | but the superintendent knows that better | 13:28 |
| jelkner | so we need to talk with him | 13:28 |
| jelkner | ok fkoikoi | 13:28 |
| fkoikoi | This plan is just a draft, that is why I paste it in here for everyone input but one more thing jelkner | 13:28 |
| jelkner | this has take the whole meeting | 13:28 |
| jelkner | go for it fkoikoi | 13:28 |
| fkoikoi | How many students are we targeting for the training comes 2024? | 13:29 |
| jelkner | what do you think, fkoikoi? | 13:29 |
| jelkner | since you will be teaching them? | 13:29 |
| jelkner | i would be thrilled if at the end of the process we could double our numbers | 13:30 |
| jelkner | in other words, we *end up* with 8 to 10 really solid folks who want to be part of Jetro Web | 13:30 |
| jelkner | but if you remember last time, I started with 36 students | 13:30 |
| jelkner | and ended up with 7 | 13:30 |
| jelkner | you need to plan for attrition | 13:31 |
| jelkner | some people will say they are interested | 13:31 |
| jelkner | but they will either be too unreliable or they will decide they really don't like it | 13:31 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, does that help? | 13:31 |
| fkoikoi | yeah but we have to take into consideration the sitting capacity, so if we have 30 students them we need to divide the class into sections | 13:32 |
| jelkner | yes indeed | 13:32 |
| jelkner | that was a big problem when i was there | 13:32 |
| jelkner | we had only 9 working computers when i started | 13:32 |
| jelkner | so we did 4 sections | 13:32 |
| jelkner | that was too much, imho | 13:33 |
| klarios | hey julian | 13:33 |
| jelkner | but you all are the teachers | 13:33 |
| jelkner | so you will need to decide what you want to do | 13:33 |
| jelkner | i will say this | 13:33 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, i'm hoping you can start the process before i come | 13:33 |
| jelkner | since i won't have that much time | 13:34 |
| jelkner | 3 weeks i'm thinking | 13:34 |
| jelkner | but we will decide that together | 13:34 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 13:34 |
| jelkner | ok, one last thing | 13:34 |
| jelkner | i won't be able to make our meeting next saturday | 13:35 |
| jelkner | or the saturday after that | 13:35 |
| svaye | Why Jeff | 13:35 |
| jelkner | i'm helping with a speaking tour for the Mexico Solidarity project | 13:35 |
| JullianMo | Same for me actually | 13:35 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 13:35 |
| fkoikoi | scooper, do you have any input or idea that you will love to share? | 13:35 |
| jelkner | i'll be driving to New York City to pick up our speaker | 13:36 |
| jelkner | and taking him back to DC | 13:36 |
| jelkner | https://jelkner.github.io/MexicoSolidarityTourFall2023/ | 13:36 |
| scooper | Like I said earlier I m open to work with any body who is passionate about learning computer science | 13:36 |
| jelkner | scooper, you are a key player here | 13:37 |
| scooper | my only fear here is that when you have already trained to those people | 13:37 |
| jelkner | because you have one foot each in the two projects | 13:37 |
| jelkner | you represent both Jetro and MCSS | 13:37 |
| scooper | we need to craft a law that will govern them not to leave our present without | 13:37 |
| scooper | benefiting or accomplishing our goals | 13:37 |
| scooper | example | 13:37 |
| scooper | the way Jallah left | 13:38 |
| jelkner | people will come and go, scooper | 13:38 |
| scooper | it's was not a good sign for us | 13:38 |
| jelkner | why? | 13:38 |
| jelkner | i expect it will always happen | 13:38 |
| scooper | so for our effort not to go in vein after traninng enough people | 13:38 |
| jelkner | not at all | 13:39 |
| scooper | we need law that will make them stay and work for since period of time.. | 13:39 |
| ledmer | anyone could the project at anytime leaving you empty handed | 13:39 |
| scooper | *settting period of time | 13:39 |
| jelkner | i'm not sure what a "law" would look like | 13:39 |
| jelkner | scooper, you've probably heard the expression about the two ways to motivate people? | 13:39 |
| jelkner | The carrot and the stick | 13:40 |
| jelkner | yes? | 13:40 |
| klarios_ | !add Maryland Latino Caucus business meeting | 13:40 |
| LittleWebster | Success: "Maryland Latino Caucus business meeting" has been added to the agenda. | 13:40 |
| jelkner | thanks klarios_ | 13:40 |
| jelkner | klarios_, it seems weird at first | 13:40 |
| klarios_ | !add updates for Mexico Solidarity project | 13:40 |
| LittleWebster | Success: "updates for Mexico Solidarity project" has been added to the agenda. | 13:40 |
| klarios_ | yeah, quite a lot going on jelkner | 13:40 |
| jelkner | but it is possible to have multiple threads of conversation in one irc channel at the same time, klarios_ | 13:41 |
| jelkner | nice use of jelkner | 13:41 |
| jelkner | that's how to do it | 13:41 |
| jelkner | klarios_, | 13:41 |
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| jelkner | if you tab complete the person (or people) klarios_ JullianMo that you are addressing | 13:41 |
| klarios_ | oh I didn't know that | 13:41 |
| jelkner | they show up in a different color | 13:41 |
| jelkner | so they can follow along eaiser | 13:41 |
| klarios_ | yep | 13:42 |
| jelkner | scooper, democratic organizations need to depend more on carrots | 13:42 |
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| jelkner | we want to humanize, not oppress | 13:42 |
| JullianMo | jelkner: Nice | 13:42 |
| jelkner | if we build something supportive and beautiful, people will come | 13:43 |
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| jelkner | and they will tend to stay scooper | 13:43 |
| jelkner | since it is a good place to be | 13:43 |
| jelkner | but not everyone will scooper | 13:43 |
| jelkner | and if they want to leave, they will leave | 13:43 |
| jelkner | make sense scooper? | 13:44 |
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| scooper | got you | 13:45 |
| jelkner | klarios, can you, me and JullianMo meet on BigBlueButton after our meeting today? | 13:45 |
| scooper | Jeff | 13:45 |
| jelkner | yes, scooper? | 13:45 |
| klarios | jelkner: yes of course, I can make the meeting and send a link if you'd like. | 13:46 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:46 |
| fkoikoi | alright I think we have to continue this discussion another time | 13:46 |
| jelkner | +1 fkoikoi | 13:47 |
| fkoikoi | Since it's planning and can't not be done within a single day | 13:47 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, we will be talking about it for *years* to come ;-) | 13:47 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, see you Monday at 11 am your time | 13:47 |
| fkoikoi | alright | 13:48 |
| scooper | leder | 13:48 |
| fkoikoi | Thanks everyone for showing up here today | 13:48 |
| scooper | I just saw your message | 13:48 |
| scooper | can we do this after the meeting | 13:48 |
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| scooper | by using tmate | 13:48 |
| tboimah | Jelkner i email you yesterday but i did not get any respond, So can you please check your email today? | 13:48 |
| tboimah | you* | 13:48 |
| ledmer | sure, scooper! | 13:49 |
| scooper | ok | 13:49 |
| klarios | !add discuss Operation agreement | 13:50 |
| LittleWebster | Success: "discuss Operation agreement" has been added to the agenda. | 13:50 |
| fkoikoi | Have a nice day Jeff | 13:50 |
| jelkner | You too fkoikoi! | 13:50 |
| svaye | Have nice day Jeff | 13:50 |
| scooper | consider it to be a deal | 13:51 |
| scooper | Jeff | 13:51 |
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| svaye | ACTION signs off for the day | 13:51 |
| tboimah | Jelkner did you saw my massage? | 13:51 |
| jelkner | +1 tboimah | 13:52 |
| tboimah | so can you please respond to my email. | 13:52 |
| dcammue | i having connection problem jelkner | 13:53 |
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| fkoikoi | ACTION sign off for the day | 13:54 |
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| klarios | The meeting will start soon | 13:55 |
| klarios | !agenda | 13:55 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 13:55 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss ARTraffic support plan (added by jelkner) | 13:55 |
| LittleWebster | Introduce new devs to NOVA Web git repo (added by jelkner) | 13:55 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss plan to deploy LittleWebster on #accict (added by jelkner) | 13:55 |
| LittleWebster | Maryland Latino Caucus business meeting (added by klarios_) | 13:55 |
| LittleWebster | updates for Mexico Solidarity project (added by klarios_) | 13:55 |
| LittleWebster | discuss Operation agreement (added by klarios) | 13:55 |
| klarios | there are a lot of things in the agenda, we will need to do this fast | 13:55 |
| jelkner | tboimah, i emailed you back and cc'd scooper and fkoikoi | 13:56 |
| tboimah | okay i saw your respond thanks. | 13:57 |
| LittleWebster | scooper : dcammue : klarios : jelkner : ledmer : tboimah : JullianMo | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | Tick Tock! | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | It's 14:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting. | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for today: | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss ARTraffic support plan (added by jelkner) | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | Introduce new devs to NOVA Web git repo (added by jelkner) | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss plan to deploy LittleWebster on #accict (added by jelkner) | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | Maryland Latino Caucus business meeting (added by klarios_) | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | updates for Mexico Solidarity project (added by klarios_) | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | discuss Operation agreement (added by klarios) | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | Have a nice day, Websters! | 14:00 |
| klarios | Alright guys, the meeting has started, there is a lot of things to discuss | 14:00 |
| klarios | !agenda | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss ARTraffic support plan (added by jelkner) | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | Introduce new devs to NOVA Web git repo (added by jelkner) | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss plan to deploy LittleWebster on #accict (added by jelkner) | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | Maryland Latino Caucus business meeting (added by klarios_) | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | updates for Mexico Solidarity project (added by klarios_) | 14:00 |
| LittleWebster | discuss Operation agreement (added by klarios) | 14:00 |
| jelkner | let's role! | 14:00 |
| jelkner | we have only 30 minutes | 14:00 |
| jelkner | roll? | 14:00 |
| klarios | !st we have to discuss AR traffic | 14:01 |
| klarios | and the plan | 14:01 |
| jelkner | ok, this is mine | 14:01 |
| klarios | go ahead jelkner | 14:01 |
| jelkner | but we don't have the principles here | 14:01 |
| jelkner | so we're stuck | 14:01 |
| klarios | we can move on | 14:01 |
| klarios | until they are here | 14:01 |
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| klarios | Second thing in our list is to introduced the NWD developers to the git repo that jeff made | 14:02 |
| jelkner | this is a quick one | 14:02 |
| klarios | There will be coordination and opportunity for learning in our Thursday meetings. | 14:02 |
| jelkner | scooper was asking where LittleWebster source lives | 14:03 |
| jelkner | klarios, AntonioAbela is here now | 14:03 |
| jelkner | but stefan and adrian are not | 14:03 |
| jelkner | we need them | 14:03 |
| jelkner | can you address other items while i call stefan? | 14:04 |
| klarios | I will message them shortly. | 14:04 |
| klarios | Of course | 14:04 |
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| klarios | next on our list is to deploy the IRC bot on the Accict channel | 14:05 |
| klarios | is there any updates on that project? | 14:05 |
| klarios | Alright. I think we're still waiting for more to come in | 14:06 |
| klarios | for now I will move to the last items until we can address the other items | 14:07 |
| klarios | !agenda | 14:07 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 14:07 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss ARTraffic support plan (added by jelkner) | 14:07 |
| LittleWebster | Introduce new devs to NOVA Web git repo (added by jelkner) | 14:07 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss plan to deploy LittleWebster on #accict (added by jelkner) | 14:07 |
| LittleWebster | Maryland Latino Caucus business meeting (added by klarios_) | 14:07 |
| LittleWebster | updates for Mexico Solidarity project (added by klarios_) | 14:07 |
| LittleWebster | discuss Operation agreement (added by klarios) | 14:07 |
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| klarios | On Thursday we will have a business meeting with Maryland Latino Caucus | 14:07 |
| klarios | JullianMo: it will be at 6:00 PM | 14:08 |
| klarios | is luis here? | 14:08 |
| jelkner | yes, he is LittleWebster | 14:08 |
| jelkner | no ledmer | 14:08 |
| ledmer | Hi! | 14:08 |
| JullianMo | Good Morning ledmer! | 14:08 |
| JamesOConnor | Hello Luis | 14:08 |
| ledmer | good morning everyone! | 14:09 |
| klarios | Hey ledmer, so regarding Maryland latino caucus, Would you like to be part of that project. They dont have many changes to make but stil want our service. | 14:09 |
| klarios | ? | 14:09 |
| jelkner | sitarabuta, AntonioAbela we need a training plan for to skill up the new devs to service our current partners | 14:09 |
| ledmer | I would like to know what that project is about | 14:10 |
| jelkner | AntonioAbela, are you in regular communication with sitarabuta and abucholz? | 14:10 |
| AntonioAbela | No | 14:11 |
| ledmer | and what they need | 14:11 |
| jelkner | https://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/07leg/html/caucus/latino.html | 14:11 |
| klarios | Yeah, this meeting will introduce the business aspect and I want to have a representative that can be in charge of the site. | 14:11 |
| jelkner | https://mdlatinocaucus.org/ | 14:11 |
| klarios | ledmer: | 14:11 |
| jelkner | so AntonioAbela, that is the first challenge, we need to address that | 14:11 |
| jelkner | sitarabuta, can you please provide AntonioAbela with the best ways to contact you? | 14:12 |
| sitarabuta | AntonioAbela: that is going to be email. | 14:12 |
| ledmer | klarios what kind of services they want from us? | 14:12 |
| AntonioAbela | Ok, novaweb email I’m assuming? | 14:12 |
| sitarabuta | I get push notifications on my phone and computer and I always check it | 14:12 |
| sitarabuta | AntonioAbela: yet | 14:13 |
| sitarabuta | yep* | 14:13 |
| ledmer | maintenance?, add some things to the webpage? | 14:13 |
| jelkner | ledmer, our first task is for you to look at the site | 14:13 |
| jelkner | and see if you can understand it | 14:13 |
| jelkner | zOnny made it | 14:13 |
| jelkner | he is no longer with us | 14:13 |
| jelkner | so we need someone to take it over | 14:13 |
| klarios | ledmer: That is what we will find out in the meeting. I am assuming just a quick update of the site. For now we can look at the site and look at its weaknesses. ledmer | 14:14 |
| ledmer | ohh for sure | 14:14 |
| klarios | This site is special because I think its in another version of libre organize | 14:14 |
| jelkner | klarios, we need to ask sitarabuta and abucholz about that | 14:15 |
| jelkner | and get their guidance | 14:15 |
| klarios | yes, we need their collaboration and guidance, since they wrote the program | 14:15 |
| jelkner | on whether we keep supporting old Django apps | 14:15 |
| sitarabuta | It is not Tendenci libreorganize, but it is a very early version of the current libreorganize | 14:15 |
| jelkner | or try to simplify our lives by porting them | 14:15 |
| jelkner | oh good! | 14:15 |
| klarios | ledmer: it will be an opportunity that can teach you libreorganize | 14:16 |
| jelkner | that would be nightmare otherwise | 14:16 |
| sitarabuta | Still a pain to migrate if they have data in the DB, but I am pretty sure this website is mostly HTML templates, so it's pretty easy to migrate | 14:16 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:16 |
| klarios | I see. We can figure out the plans of how to teach the DEVs to do that on thursday. | 14:17 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:17 |
| klarios | jelkner: is everyone from AR traffic here? | 14:17 |
| jelkner | yes | 14:17 |
| jelkner | not abucholz | 14:17 |
| jelkner | but sitarabuta can represent the two of them | 14:18 |
| sitarabuta | maybe he could join us | 14:18 |
| klarios | got it | 14:18 |
| klarios | !agenda | 14:18 |
| LittleWebster | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 14:18 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss ARTraffic support plan (added by jelkner) | 14:18 |
| LittleWebster | Introduce new devs to NOVA Web git repo (added by jelkner) | 14:18 |
| LittleWebster | Discuss plan to deploy LittleWebster on #accict (added by jelkner) | 14:18 |
| LittleWebster | Maryland Latino Caucus business meeting (added by klarios_) | 14:18 |
| LittleWebster | updates for Mexico Solidarity project (added by klarios_) | 14:18 |
| LittleWebster | discuss Operation agreement (added by klarios) | 14:18 |
| sitarabuta | he is going to be much more available than me | 14:18 |
| jelkner | let me knock out item 2 | 14:18 |
| jelkner | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/ | 14:18 |
| jelkner | that's it | 14:18 |
| jelkner | we keep our shared work there | 14:18 |
| klarios | so our first task is to discuss the AR traffic plan. Avaliabilities, invoicing, and services | 14:19 |
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| jelkner | when you are ready to contribute you will need access to that | 14:19 |
| jelkner | for item 1 | 14:19 |
| jelkner | sitarabuta and abucholz have been handling this | 14:19 |
| sitarabuta | abuchholz will join us | 14:19 |
| jelkner | but we need a transition plan | 14:19 |
| abuchholz | hello | 14:19 |
| jelkner | ok great | 14:19 |
| jelkner | abuchholz, hello | 14:19 |
| jelkner | quick question, can you make this time in general abuchholz? | 14:20 |
| abuchholz | yes | 14:20 |
| jelkner | great | 14:20 |
| ledmer | klarios: Count on me for the project | 14:20 |
| jelkner | what's left? | 14:21 |
| jelkner | we have 10 minutes? | 14:21 |
| klarios | ledmer: thank you for that | 14:21 |
| klarios | deployment of the bot on accict | 14:21 |
| klarios | jelkner: | 14:21 |
| jelkner | real quick, sitarabuta i let tmickelson deploy his own version of the bot on #accict | 14:21 |
| jelkner | it breaks all the time | 14:22 |
| jelkner | i told him that we can't have that | 14:22 |
| jelkner | so if we need to have the same bot that works running on the other channel, is that easy to set up? | 14:22 |
| sitarabuta | i am pretty sure that the same instance can join multiple channel jelkner | 14:22 |
| sitarabuta | we used to have LittleWebster be on #novawebdev_learn as well | 14:23 |
| jelkner | ok, i'll talk to tmickelson again on monday, and follow up with an email | 14:23 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 14:23 |
| klarios | Discussion of the operating agreement. | 14:23 |
| klarios | we are discussing the operating aggreement with everyone on thursday | 14:23 |
| klarios | so that we have a solid plan about what will happen from now on | 14:24 |
| jelkner | we have a goal of identifying the folks who want to stay with the coop for awhile by may 1st 2024 | 14:24 |
| jelkner | so we can make them legal worker owners at that date | 14:24 |
| jelkner | like we did last year | 14:24 |
| jelkner | at this point, self identified candidates include AntonioAbela, klarios, and julianmolina | 14:25 |
| klarios | This is important because many of the operations such as banking and taxing have to be managed correctly and legally | 14:25 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:25 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 14:26 |
| klarios | we will furtherly talk to everyone so that we have the votes that we need in order to keep this running. | 14:26 |
| klarios | lastly It is the Mexico solidarity project | 14:26 |
| jelkner | btw. i will not be here for the next two weeks because of that | 14:26 |
| jelkner | project | 14:26 |
| klarios | since we didn't have a meeting on thursday, we lost the opportunity to ask the DEVs important stuff | 14:27 |
| jelkner | they really could have used us, but we weren't ready | 14:27 |
| klarios | jelkner: got you. | 14:27 |
| jelkner | i set up a quick website | 14:27 |
| jelkner | https://jelkner.github.io/MexicoSolidarityTourFall2023/ | 14:27 |
| klarios | We are still working on the site with cyrus. the overall site is still being updated. | 14:27 |
| jelkner | it is a super project | 14:28 |
| jelkner | the synergy between May First and MSP is exciting too | 14:28 |
| klarios | I understand. This thursday we can talk to the devs about making the website have what it needs. | 14:28 |
| jelkner | https://mexicosolidarityproject.org/voices/154/ | 14:28 |
| jelkner | so i am hoping we can get to the point that we can provide the support they need | 14:29 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 14:29 |
| klarios | That's nice | 14:29 |
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| klarios | Alright guys, thank you very much for all being here. Since we will have a meeting this thursday we can discuss everything that was mentioned here | 14:30 |
| klarios | especially AR traffic client communication and such | 14:30 |
| klarios | jelkner: what was the command to end the meeting again? | 14:30 |
| jelkner | LOL | 14:31 |
| klarios | hehehe | 14:31 |
| klarios | I found it funny | 14:31 |
| jelkner | You should type: "/me drops the bag of gravel" | 14:31 |
| sitarabuta | I missed that jelkner | 14:31 |
| sitarabuta | lol | 14:31 |
| klarios | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 14:31 |
| jelkner | we are reviving it sitarabuta | 14:31 |
| klarios | have a good one guys | 14:31 |
| sitarabuta | keeping traditions | 14:31 |
| jelkner | you too! | 14:31 |
| JamesOConnor | thanks, you too! | 14:31 |
| AntonioAbela | Bye! | 14:31 |
| jelkner | thanks all | 14:31 |
| scooper | ACTION ledmer please don't drop the bag of gravel yet | 14:31 |
| sitarabuta | you too | 14:32 |
| jelkner | ACTION logs off | 14:32 |
| ledmer | sure | 14:32 |
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| JamesOConnor | ACTION drops the bag of gravel | 14:32 |
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| klarios | I will see you on big blue button and send you the link on zulip | 14:32 |
| klarios | or on here if you would like to stay | 14:32 |
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| scooper | Are you still there ledmer?? | 14:33 |
| ledmer | yep | 14:34 |
| ledmer | I'm having troubles trying to push to the git repo | 14:34 |
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| scooper | Check your private message | 14:37 |
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