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| jelkner | Good morning fkoikoi | 11:58 |
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| fkoikoi | Good Morning Jeff | 11:59 |
| jelkner | You're the only one here. | 11:59 |
| jelkner | What's the plan? | 11:59 |
| fkoikoi | I am at the office now, in the conference room | 12:01 |
| fkoikoi | waiting for the rest of the team | 12:01 |
| jelkner | i don't understand | 12:01 |
| jelkner | it's noon there | 12:02 |
| jelkner | mid day already? | 12:02 |
| fkoikoi | yes | 12:02 |
| jelkner | why don't you plan to meet at 9 am your time? | 12:02 |
| jelkner | and then spend the 3 hours before i join you studying together? | 12:03 |
| jelkner | that's why i keep asking about your study plan | 12:03 |
| jelkner | what are you doing to make sure you have scheduled time to work on your study? | 12:03 |
| fkoikoi | That is a great Idea Jeff | 12:03 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, it is really important to learn to think about things like that | 12:04 |
| jelkner | you all should be asking each other regularly - how can we better organize ourselves to meet our goals? | 12:04 |
| jelkner | only that way will you be able to run a business that can succeed | 12:05 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 12:05 |
| jelkner | i don't want to take it out on you, since you're here | 12:05 |
| jelkner | but you must understand i find this frustrating | 12:06 |
| jelkner | i set my alarm to wake up early on a weekend morning | 12:06 |
| jelkner | here i am | 12:06 |
| jelkner | but the folks i'm supposed to be volunteering to help | 12:06 |
| jelkner | aren't here! | 12:06 |
| fkoikoi | I know Jeff and I am sincerely sorry about that | 12:07 |
| scooper | Good morning jelkner | 12:07 |
| fkoikoi | Just give me a minute let me try calling svaye since scooper is already here | 12:08 |
| jelkner | it would be a goog morning, scooper, if everyone was here | 12:08 |
| jelkner | scooper, let's chat here | 12:09 |
| jelkner | keep things respectful, but frank | 12:10 |
| jelkner | we need to figure this out | 12:10 |
| scooper | Ok | 12:10 |
| jelkner | so if you feel i am not handling things properly, please call me out on it | 12:11 |
| scooper | Freena is online I m already here... in short another people need to responsible enough to get online when the time is approving.... | 12:11 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, scooper, i don't know you saw my email to the nova web team | 12:12 |
| scooper | *other people | 12:12 |
| jelkner | i cc'd jetrowebdev, so it should have gone to all of you | 12:12 |
| scooper | when did you send a mail Jeff | 12:12 |
| jelkner | yesterday | 12:12 |
| jelkner | anyway, it isn't that important | 12:13 |
| jelkner | i was just going to refer to it to make a point | 12:13 |
| jelkner | it is now December 16 | 12:13 |
| jelkner | weeks are going by quickly | 12:13 |
| jelkner | and our pace of progress is too slow | 12:13 |
| jelkner | it has now been over a year and a half since we started doing this | 12:14 |
| jelkner | when i set my alarm on a saturday morning instead of "sleeping in" | 12:14 |
| jelkner | and get up and find that the group i am supposed to be working with isn't there... | 12:14 |
| jelkner | it harms my confidence | 12:15 |
| jelkner | makes me think this plan of ours isn't realistic | 12:15 |
| scooper | jelkner I m so sorry... but we agreed on meeting by 1:00 liberia time right | 12:15 |
| jelkner | no, scooper | 12:15 |
| scooper | I think that is the reason folks delay in coming | 12:15 |
| jelkner | we said 7 am my time | 12:15 |
| jelkner | 7 to 9 am | 12:15 |
| jelkner | i agreed i would do a 2 hour presentation | 12:16 |
| jelkner | just like last week | 12:16 |
| jelkner | scooper, i was just saying to fkoikoi | 12:16 |
| jelkner | that if you are really serious about this | 12:16 |
| jelkner | you should plan to meet at the MCSS office at 9 am your time | 12:17 |
| jelkner | and study together for 3 hours *before* i join you | 12:17 |
| jelkner | then you could be ready when i arrive | 12:17 |
| jelkner | scooper, fkoikoi have what do you have to show me from your work last week? | 12:18 |
| jelkner | any links to git repos you can post? | 12:18 |
| jelkner | that will show me what you have been working on | 12:18 |
| scooper | I m coming 5 minutes please | 12:19 |
| fkoikoi | shallon said that her church is having a conference so she won't be here today | 12:19 |
| scooper | I just did jelkner..... | 12:20 |
| fkoikoi | will soon sent mine Jeff | 12:20 |
| jelkner | post it here, scooper | 12:20 |
| jelkner | not in a private chat | 12:20 |
| scooper | https://git.mcssliberia.org/scooper/CSC221/src/branch/master/Week-3/Pretty-picture | 12:20 |
| jelkner | so this is really important, scooper | 12:22 |
| jelkner | i have earned lots of certifications | 12:22 |
| jelkner | and studying lots of things | 12:22 |
| jelkner | if i were in your situation | 12:22 |
| jelkner | i would be planning on a minimum of 20 hours per week studying for PCEP | 12:23 |
| jelkner | a minimum | 12:23 |
| jelkner | it doesn't look like anyone is putting in anywhere near that amount of time | 12:23 |
| jelkner | it does not look like a pace that will meet our target | 12:25 |
| jelkner | i just found out that the IRS wants SECOSOL to pay around $4000.00 in tax penalties | 12:26 |
| jelkner | we have a really solid group that is meeting on Thursday nights now | 12:26 |
| jelkner | that's why i cc'd you all on the email i sent to them yesterday | 12:26 |
| jelkner | i am running short of resources | 12:27 |
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| scooper | I just saw the mail will read it later since you are telling something very import.... | 12:27 |
| jelkner | i'm telling you that i am under some financial stress | 12:28 |
| jelkner | and when i think... $800 times 5 more months is $4000 | 12:28 |
| jelkner | i have to figure out what to do with limited resources | 12:28 |
| jelkner | i want to honor my obligations | 12:28 |
| jelkner | but i'm not seeing an equal commitment on the Jetro side | 12:29 |
| jelkner | not enough dedication | 12:29 |
| jelkner | not enough work | 12:29 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking i should focus on what is working | 12:30 |
| jelkner | and let what isn't working go for now | 12:30 |
| jelkner | i've got a lot to do today | 12:31 |
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| jelkner | i'll send an email to the Jetro team | 12:32 |
| jelkner | but i think what i will say is that i won't send another stipend until one of you passes PCEP | 12:32 |
| jelkner | since if we aren't going to make the goal | 12:33 |
| jelkner | i need those very limited resources toward where they can do the most good | 12:33 |
| jelkner | i'll be available to help when someone asks me to | 12:33 |
| jelkner | but i'll wait until i get a request | 12:34 |
| jelkner | so that i don't set my alarm, wake up on a saturday, and folks not here | 12:34 |
| jelkner | scooper, i'm going to go now | 12:34 |
| scooper | PLEASE | 12:34 |
| scooper | BEFORE YOU LEAVE | 12:34 |
| scooper | can you please be at our meeting this evening 9:00 my time and 4:00 your time | 12:35 |
| scooper | as we present again and discuss with Dr. Hubbard?? | 12:35 |
| jelkner | i can't make that meeting scooper | 12:35 |
| jelkner | it is saturday | 12:35 |
| jelkner | my wife's family is having the family holiday gathering | 12:36 |
| scooper | OK ledmer will update you.... | 12:36 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:36 |
| jelkner | i'll see him in class on monday morning | 12:36 |
| scooper | can we demonstrate few things on the picture challenge | 12:37 |
| scooper | me you and freena before leaving today??? | 12:37 |
| jelkner | i can see you commits | 12:37 |
| jelkner | do you have questions? | 12:37 |
| scooper | my question is in the repository... | 12:37 |
| jelkner | like i mentioned, since pretty pictures uses graphics | 12:37 |
| jelkner | it is not easy to "demo" | 12:38 |
| jelkner | what is your question? | 12:38 |
| jelkner | you can post a commit link | 12:38 |
| scooper | https://git.mcssliberia.org/scooper/CSC221/src/branch/master/Week-3/Pretty-picture/Questionfromdrawing.md | 12:38 |
| scooper | that is my question link.... | 12:38 |
| jelkner | so the idea when we made GASP was to make it friendly to middle school students | 12:39 |
| jelkner | in most computer graphics, the 0, 0 point is in the upper left of the screen | 12:40 |
| jelkner | the first value increases to the right | 12:40 |
| jelkner | and the other value increases DOWN | 12:40 |
| jelkner | that has historical reasons | 12:40 |
| jelkner | anyway | 12:40 |
| jelkner | that is not friendly to middle school students | 12:41 |
| jelkner | who learn that 0, 0 is in the lower left of the first quadrant of the coordinate plane | 12:41 |
| jelkner | so GASP works that way | 12:42 |
| jelkner | 0, 0 is the lower left corner of the screen | 12:42 |
| jelkner | and the default screen size is 640 by 480 pixels | 12:42 |
| jelkner | so 640, 480 is the upper right corner | 12:42 |
| jelkner | Line objects are really line segments between x1, y1 and x2, y2 | 12:43 |
| jelkner | using that coordinate system | 12:43 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 12:44 |
| scooper | Thanks I think the concept is getting in a little bit, but another doubt here... | 12:44 |
| scooper | according to you the 640, 480 | 12:44 |
| scooper | is the upper right corner right?? | 12:45 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:45 |
| scooper | and a coordinate plan have fours quadrants | 12:45 |
| jelkner | well, GASP only uses the first quadrant | 12:45 |
| scooper | the first represent ++ if I m correct | 12:45 |
| jelkner | only positive values for x and y | 12:45 |
| jelkner | x increases to the right | 12:46 |
| jelkner | and y increases up | 12:46 |
| scooper | that mean the other quadrant is not consider right?? | 12:46 |
| jelkner | anyway, don't get too lost in the details of that | 12:46 |
| jelkner | it is GASP specific | 12:46 |
| jelkner | the goal of this sheet is to teach functions | 12:46 |
| jelkner | not graphics | 12:47 |
| jelkner | graphics were just used to make if fun | 12:47 |
| jelkner | and help make the idea of *proceedural abstraction* more concrete | 12:47 |
| scooper | I know but this concept is import | 12:47 |
| jelkner | scooper, i know from my time there that tboimah has a strong math background | 12:48 |
| jelkner | what i keep hoping is that you all will form into a proper study group | 12:48 |
| jelkner | and help each other learn | 12:48 |
| jelkner | tboimah could teach the math needed for this | 12:48 |
| jelkner | so that you could use me to help with the Python | 12:48 |
| jelkner | remember, i tried to get you all working together | 12:49 |
| jelkner | but you didn't want to | 12:49 |
| jelkner | so that's your choice | 12:49 |
| jelkner | i'm going to go now and write that email to the Jetro team | 12:49 |
| scooper | jelker.. people should learn to take responsible and be focus.. | 12:49 |
| jelkner | then i have to plan | 12:50 |
| scooper | Thomas show up everytime at the lab | 12:50 |
| scooper | since his computer damage or lost... | 12:50 |
| jelkner | yes, scooper | 12:50 |
| jelkner | we need people showing up at the lab | 12:50 |
| scooper | but other done inform if they have an issue..... | 12:50 |
| jelkner | i apologize for the change in plans | 12:50 |
| scooper | I agreed with you plan Jeff | 12:51 |
| jelkner | but in my email, i am going to suggest that you all meet in the lab | 12:51 |
| jelkner | and work together to figure our who among you can be the first to be ready for PCEP | 12:51 |
| jelkner | then you help that person get ready | 12:51 |
| jelkner | and when they pass | 12:51 |
| jelkner | i will resume the stipend | 12:51 |
| jelkner | then they can help the next person | 12:51 |
| jelkner | soon, you will all be ready | 12:51 |
| jelkner | but only if you coordinate | 12:52 |
| jelkner | which you are not doing now | 12:52 |
| jelkner | that will be my suggestion | 12:52 |
| fkoikoi | can I make a comment about what you just said? | 12:53 |
| scooper | about what??? | 12:53 |
| fkoikoi | Jeff? | 12:53 |
| jelkner | please, fkoikoi | 12:53 |
| jelkner | sorry for the delayed response | 12:53 |
| jelkner | i was starting to write the email | 12:54 |
| jelkner | ACTION goes to write the email, but will check every few minutes for fkoikoi's comment ;-) | 12:54 |
| fkoikoi | scooper, stopping the stipend | 12:56 |
| fkoikoi | it is the stipend that enable most of Jetro web members to come to the lab and if you stop the stipend I don't think most members or folks will be able to come to the lab. | 12:56 |
| scooper | Freena | 12:56 |
| fkoikoi | The stipend serves as transportation for the team members | 12:56 |
| scooper | I think this measure will help people step up their game..... | 12:57 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, i fully understand | 12:57 |
| tboimah | Good day folks | 12:57 |
| scooper | If we are all willing go through this punishment it will serve as a warning | 12:58 |
| jelkner | so here is my suggestion | 12:58 |
| jelkner | you all meet | 12:58 |
| jelkner | and decided together | 12:58 |
| jelkner | hey we really need this stipend | 12:58 |
| jelkner | so how can we earn it back? | 12:58 |
| jelkner | we need one of us to pass PCEP | 12:58 |
| jelkner | how can we do that? | 12:58 |
| jelkner | who is closest to passing? | 12:58 |
| jelkner | how can we work better together to prepare? | 12:59 |
| jelkner | tboimah and mulbah didn't want to switch | 12:59 |
| jelkner | that is there decision | 12:59 |
| jelkner | but like i said tboimah may have the strongest math skills | 12:59 |
| jelkner | if that is so | 12:59 |
| jelkner | he may be in the best position to go first | 12:59 |
| jelkner | and pass the PCEP | 12:59 |
| BigBrother | jelkner : tboimah : scooper | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Tick Tock! | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | It's 13:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting. | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Uh-oh! That is embarassing... | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Unfortunately, there are no items on the agenda! | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Have a nice day, Websters! | 13:00 |
| jelkner | programming requires math type skills | 13:00 |
| jelkner | anyway, the PCEP is the kind of thing that a bright, *very* hard working student could prepare for in less than a month | 13:00 |
| tboimah | jelkner , i understand your suggestion but stoping the stipen will not be good for the team because it is that stipen that transport most of us to the lab please. | 13:00 |
| jelkner | so tboimah, you could earn PCEP in less than a month | 13:01 |
| tboimah | so we really need that please | 13:01 |
| jelkner | and no stipend will be missed | 13:01 |
| jelkner | i asked for your cooperation in meeting the goal | 13:01 |
| tboimah | we will try to work on meeting to the lab for now on please | 13:01 |
| jelkner | you didn't want to do that | 13:01 |
| jelkner | i told you it is your choice | 13:01 |
| jelkner | but i need to make wise choices as to where i use the limited resources i have available | 13:02 |
| jelkner | so now i'm saying, if you want the stipend, earn it | 13:02 |
| jelkner | you can do it | 13:02 |
| jelkner | tboimah, you should focus all your energy on PCEP now | 13:02 |
| jelkner | i can help you | 13:02 |
| scooper | jelker | 13:02 |
| scooper | I sincerely apology along with the other to beg for you mercy | 13:03 |
| jelkner | we can ask kevin and shanun to help too | 13:03 |
| tboimah | Jelkner i understand but i already gone far now with my study with sysadmin. but i promise for now on i will help the python team move fast please | 13:03 |
| scooper | on restoring this golden opportunity.... | 13:03 |
| jelkner | perfect tboimah | 13:03 |
| jelkner | that is what i am asking | 13:03 |
| jelkner | let's make a plan | 13:03 |
| scooper | this mean from today upward we all coordinate as a team and take attendance seriously | 13:04 |
| jelkner | and use all our limited resources together for a common goal | 13:04 |
| jelkner | it is mid december | 13:04 |
| jelkner | tboimah, if you want to | 13:04 |
| jelkner | from what i know about your skills from talking with kevin, and having you in class two summers ago | 13:04 |
| jelkner | you could be ready to pass PCEP by mid january | 13:04 |
| jelkner | the stipend will come a few weeks late | 13:05 |
| jelkner | but you then it will resume | 13:05 |
| jelkner | and you, tboimah, once you pass | 13:05 |
| jelkner | will be able to help the next two people | 13:05 |
| jelkner | i was talking to my wife | 13:05 |
| tboimah | jelkner i am not saying i am going to write the pcep test but i will help the python team why focusing on sysadmin please | 13:05 |
| jelkner | tboimah, you can focus on whatever you want | 13:06 |
| jelkner | but no one gets a stipend until someone passes the PCEP | 13:06 |
| jelkner | let me continue | 13:06 |
| jelkner | my wife told me that we need to purchase our plane tickets for next summer by around February | 13:06 |
| jelkner | or else they will be too expensive | 13:06 |
| jelkner | so i need to know if i'm coming | 13:06 |
| jelkner | before i purchase them, obviously | 13:07 |
| jelkner | everyone, i understand what you saying about needing the stipend | 13:07 |
| jelkner | i will do all i can to help | 13:07 |
| scooper | Are you coming with your wife, if this plan work??? | 13:07 |
| jelkner | but you have to earn it | 13:07 |
| jelkner | my wife and i were going to visit stefan in Romania | 13:08 |
| jelkner | and then i would fly to Monrovia around July 29 | 13:08 |
| jelkner | for 3 weeks | 13:08 |
| tboimah | jelkner i know that your suggestion but please forgive us because stoping the stipen will effect that team badly please | 13:08 |
| jelkner | tboimah, the team is not on track to meet the goal | 13:08 |
| jelkner | the last week shows it | 13:09 |
| jelkner | i was explaining to scooper | 13:09 |
| jelkner | that i found out SECOSOL owes a lot of money in taxes | 13:09 |
| tboimah | Jelkner i give you my word i will work on it to make the team focus please | 13:09 |
| jelkner | and i'm working with Ved to start Social Justice Computing, and to support NOVA Web Development | 13:09 |
| jelkner | i'm maxed out | 13:09 |
| jelkner | you have to start delivering | 13:10 |
| jelkner | tboimah, you could earn PCEP in less than a month | 13:10 |
| jelkner | and the stipend would continue | 13:10 |
| jelkner | your choice | 13:10 |
| jelkner | i can help | 13:10 |
| jelkner | i can ask kevin and sahnun to help | 13:10 |
| jelkner | but if you don't want to | 13:10 |
| tboimah | Okay now let make a deal i will focus on passing the pcep test only if you will continue sending the stipend please | 13:10 |
| jelkner | then it is you who is choosing not to have the stipend come | 13:11 |
| tboimah | jelkner it is a deal. | 13:12 |
| jelkner | excellent! | 13:12 |
| jelkner | so let's make a plan | 13:13 |
| jelkner | tboimah, we need everyone pulling in the same direction | 13:13 |
| jelkner | let's make this happen | 13:13 |
| jelkner | i have 32 students in my Python classes this year | 13:13 |
| jelkner | 3 of them have already passed PCEP | 13:13 |
| tboimah | so now did you reconsider you suggention | 13:13 |
| jelkner | what do you mean? | 13:14 |
| tboimah | I mean did the stipend will still continue | 13:14 |
| jelkner | tboimah, let's make an agreement between the two of us | 13:14 |
| tboimah | because we need that badly | 13:15 |
| jelkner | if you promise to work as hard a possible toward earning your PCEP in January | 13:15 |
| jelkner | i will send the January 1st stipend as usual | 13:15 |
| jelkner | but February won't come unless you pass | 13:15 |
| jelkner | i know you can pass | 13:15 |
| tboimah | Okay that is a deal | 13:16 |
| jelkner | great, we have an agreement | 13:16 |
| jelkner | so, back to what i was saying | 13:16 |
| tboimah | yeah thanks for your understanding | 13:16 |
| jelkner | i need to get all my students ready to pass the PCEP by the end of January | 13:16 |
| jelkner | so i will focusing all my lesson prep on that | 13:17 |
| jelkner | what we need to do now, tboimah, is: | 13:17 |
| jelkner | 1. set up a study schedule for you | 13:17 |
| jelkner | 2. ask all available tutors (jeff, kevin, sahnun) to focus on helping you prepare | 13:18 |
| jelkner | 3. get to it! | 13:18 |
| jelkner | plan your work, then work your plan | 13:18 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, is thomas still there | 13:18 |
| tboimah | okay | 13:18 |
| jelkner | so sometimes good things come from bad things | 13:19 |
| jelkner | like when your laptop broke (a bad thing) it encouraged you to show up in the lab (a good thing) | 13:19 |
| jelkner | we need the team meeting together in the lab | 13:19 |
| jelkner | to study together | 13:20 |
| jelkner | ok, i need to go so i can write this email | 13:20 |
| fkoikoi | My computer will soon go off Jeff | 13:20 |
| jelkner | that's enough for today, fkoikoi | 13:20 |
| jelkner | i'll drop in on kevin's meeting on monday | 13:21 |
| jelkner | since we are going to ask him to help with PCEP prep too | 13:21 |
| jelkner | see you all soon | 13:21 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off until the NOVA Web meeting so he can write that eamil | 13:22 |
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| mulbah | Good afternoon scooper | 14:15 |
| scooper | Good afternoon mulbah | 14:16 |
| jelkner | scooper, email to kevin cole sent | 14:49 |
| scooper | Thanks, I saw the mail already and trying to make my reply..... | 15:03 |
| jelkner | that's fine, but we really need kevin to reply | 15:10 |
| jelkner | although your leadership and help with coordination is crucial | 15:10 |
| jelkner | scooper, while i prefer moral to material incentives | 15:11 |
| jelkner | you may want to consider material incentives in this case | 15:11 |
| jelkner | if Thomas is going to be putting in extra time to earn PCEP | 15:12 |
| jelkner | perhaps he deserves a larger portion of the stipend? | 15:12 |
| jelkner | like i said, you need 20 hour per week, and this is not hard to reach | 15:12 |
| jelkner | but no one is putting in nearly that amount of time | 15:12 |
| jelkner | mulbah, did you see the email? | 15:13 |
| jelkner | that's not my decision, it's Jetro Web's | 15:14 |
| jelkner | but i am telling you what i am willing to do | 15:14 |
| jelkner | so if you want me to continue to provide support | 15:14 |
| jelkner | i expect results | 15:14 |
| mulbah | let me check | 15:17 |
| mulbah | I was it | 15:29 |
| mulbah | I saw it | 15:29 |
| mulbah | and I reply to it and will work hard to bring my reply true | 15:29 |
| jelkner | great mulbah, thanks! | 15:38 |
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| jelkner | mulbah, i can help you with that | 15:39 |
| jelkner | and hopefully, ubuntourist will too | 15:39 |
| jelkner | first thing you can do is create an account for yourself | 15:39 |
| mulbah | where | 15:40 |
| jelkner | https://pythoninstitute.org/python-essentials-1 | 15:41 |
| jelkner | click on the signup button | 15:42 |
| jelkner | lol | 15:42 |
| jelkner | i guess that just takes you here: | 15:42 |
| jelkner | https://edube.org/study/pe1 | 15:42 |
| jelkner | where there is another sign up button | 15:42 |
| jelkner | you want to get access to Python Essentials 1 (Aligned with PCEP-30-02) | 15:43 |
| jelkner | let me know when you and Thomas have successfully done that | 15:44 |
| jelkner | it says the total study time for the course is 42 hours | 15:44 |
| jelkner | that's why i was saying that if you all applied yourselves and gave 20 hours a week | 15:45 |
| jelkner | you could finish a 2 to 3 weeks | 15:45 |
| jelkner | certainly by the end of January | 15:45 |
| jelkner | you have jelkner, ubuntourist (hopefully 4 hours a week), and smohamed to help | 15:46 |
| scooper | I just reply your mail jelkner | 15:50 |
| jelkner | ACTION goes to read scooper's email | 15:51 |
| jelkner | scooper, let's talk | 15:53 |
| jelkner | i read your email | 15:53 |
| jelkner | and i would like to respond with the following comments: | 15:53 |
| jelkner | 1. i can not sustain the stipend indefinitely, so if we want revenue to be long term, we need to develop the business | 15:54 |
| scooper | I m listening jelkner... | 15:55 |
| jelkner | 2. i am trying as best as i can to figure out how best to manage this process | 15:55 |
| jelkner | 3. you should be doing that too | 15:55 |
| jelkner | those are the main points | 15:55 |
| jelkner | i would suggest to you, scooper, that your part of the stipend is not for passing PCEP | 15:56 |
| jelkner | but for managing the team | 15:56 |
| jelkner | you should be responsible for making sure regular in-person study groups happen | 15:56 |
| jelkner | watching who is making the most rapid progress | 15:57 |
| jelkner | and figuring out how to get the team to meet its goals | 15:57 |
| jelkner | i am not trying to exclude anyone | 15:57 |
| scooper | Excellence points... But I will say to you that once day I will like to turn this responsible over to someone else because I told you some many time that I want to be a full stack developer | 15:57 |
| jelkner | yes, i know you say that | 15:58 |
| jelkner | and tboimah and mulbah originally told me they didn't want to focus on PCEP | 15:58 |
| jelkner | so what ends up happening is | 15:58 |
| jelkner | ... | 15:58 |
| jelkner | because Jetro can not work as a team | 15:58 |
| jelkner | you all fail to meet the goal | 15:59 |
| jelkner | i am stretched too thin | 15:59 |
| jelkner | i can't support a team that won't work together | 15:59 |
| jelkner | so to be clear | 15:59 |
| jelkner | Thomas was able to get me to agree to send the stipend again on 1/1 because he is agreeing to be a part of the team | 16:00 |
| jelkner | i only said three of you have to pass to get me to come in August | 16:00 |
| jelkner | you're the coach, my friend | 16:00 |
| jelkner | it's the 2nd half of the game | 16:00 |
| jelkner | and you're down 2 goals | 16:00 |
| jelkner | i would put my best players on the field | 16:01 |
| jelkner | so our team has the best chance to score | 16:01 |
| jelkner | if you all can't do that | 16:01 |
| jelkner | then there is little hope of a victory | 16:01 |
| jelkner | if no one earns PCEP in January | 16:01 |
| jelkner | there will be no 2/1 stipend | 16:01 |
| jelkner | so it isn't just Thomas and Mulbah | 16:03 |
| jelkner | any of you can earn PCEP | 16:03 |
| jelkner | but who will? | 16:03 |
| jelkner | i picked on Thomas and Mulbah because i have seen how they work with kevin | 16:03 |
| scooper | Hmmm tight decision if that is the case I can work with Thomas, Mulbah | 16:03 |
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| jelkner | if i where you, scooper | 16:04 |
| jelkner | i would: | 16:04 |
| scooper | as we prepare for the test... while the other folks can also join us later | 16:04 |
| jelkner | 1. set up regular study session *in the lab*! | 16:04 |
| mulbah | That will be cool Mr. Cooper | 16:04 |
| jelkner | ask everyone to come | 16:04 |
| jelkner | see who does | 16:04 |
| jelkner | and who doesn't | 16:04 |
| mulbah | We working to get as a team to reach that goal | 16:04 |
| mulbah | we can start on monday | 16:05 |
| jelkner | certainly two of those times should be mondays and fridays from 1 to 3 pm | 16:05 |
| jelkner | since that is when kevin is available | 16:05 |
| jelkner | we could schedule saturdays from 12 noon to 2 pm too | 16:05 |
| jelkner | since that is when i am available | 16:05 |
| jelkner | and you should schedule other times too | 16:05 |
| jelkner | when you all work on your own | 16:06 |
| jelkner | i mean together as Jetro Web | 16:06 |
| jelkner | but without a tutor | 16:06 |
| jelkner | it is because you don't know how to study together that you are not making progress | 16:06 |
| jelkner | it is a skill | 16:06 |
| jelkner | you need to learn it | 16:06 |
| jelkner | i'm glad to help you learn how | 16:07 |
| jelkner | but you need to *do it* | 16:07 |
| jelkner | or not, it's really up to you | 16:07 |
| scooper | I m also appreciated that a lot has been learned from you over the past time.. | 16:07 |
| jelkner | that's nice to hear, my friend | 16:08 |
| scooper | Especially from tutors you have brought in | 16:08 |
| jelkner | we can keep doing that | 16:08 |
| scooper | *appreciative | 16:08 |
| jelkner | and have even more interest | 16:08 |
| jelkner | but you have to show some results | 16:08 |
| jelkner | that's what will attract more tutors to come | 16:09 |
| jelkner | tutors, like everyone, want to be successful | 16:09 |
| jelkner | when you succeed, it makes them feel good | 16:09 |
| jelkner | and they want to come back | 16:09 |
| jelkner | i'm in the same boat | 16:09 |
| scooper | I know Sahnun said that to me so many time when we are together..... | 16:09 |
| jelkner | that's why i get so frustrated when i don't see progress | 16:09 |
| jelkner | it means i am failing | 16:10 |
| jelkner | no one likes to fail | 16:10 |
| jelkner | anyway, i just gave mulbah a link | 16:10 |
| mulbah | sure | 16:10 |
| jelkner | i expect he will take the initiative | 16:11 |
| jelkner | set up and account | 16:11 |
| jelkner | begin to go through the tutorial | 16:11 |
| scooper | the link you give mulbah is different from what you give me | 16:11 |
| jelkner | and start coming to tutoring sessions prepared with good questions from the curriclum | 16:11 |
| jelkner | i was trying to set up a "class" through CISCO Networking Academy | 16:12 |
| jelkner | but it didn't work | 16:12 |
| scooper | https://auth.socialgoodplatform.com/auth/realms/skillsforall/protocol/openid-connect/auth?client_id=b2e-marketplace&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Fskillsforall.com%2Flaunch%3Fid%3Dda0847b7-e6fc-4597-bc31-38ddd6b07a2e%26tab%3Dcurriculum%26view%3Da3692bf6-f9b7-5ad0-929d-c67a639de38d&state=35741d63-891a-4e65-947c-5ecd257daa9f&response_mode=fragment&response_type=code&scope=openid&nonce=9092fdac-a695-41ec-8993-a7f264448ae9&ui_locales=en-US | 16:12 |
| jelkner | since weeks went by | 16:12 |
| jelkner | and i never heard a thing from any of you about that curriculum | 16:12 |
| jelkner | that would indicate to me that you put in 20 hours a week studying it | 16:13 |
| jelkner | you didn't | 16:13 |
| jelkner | it's the same curriculum | 16:13 |
| scooper | should I give you my login credential to that??? | 16:13 |
| scooper | to see my progress there | 16:13 |
| jelkner | no need, scooper | 16:13 |
| jelkner | i believe that if you were making real progress, both your git repos and your questions would show it | 16:14 |
| jelkner | in my classroom, i can do informal assessments on a daily basis | 16:15 |
| jelkner | https://ict.gctaa.net/sections/csc221/goals/week11.html | 16:15 |
| jelkner | students arrive in class, and I share with them the "Daily PCEP Warm Up" | 16:15 |
| jelkner | and call on someone in class to answer | 16:15 |
| jelkner | it's a way to check their progress | 16:15 |
| jelkner | it is much more challenging for us | 16:16 |
| jelkner | since we are thousands of miles apart | 16:16 |
| jelkner | but we could do the same sort of thing | 16:16 |
| jelkner | again, not if i show up to class and only two students are there | 16:16 |
| jelkner | i would want all the students to be there | 16:16 |
| jelkner | and to be ready! | 16:16 |
| jelkner | so that is why i suggested putting our best players on the field | 16:17 |
| jelkner | i don't know for sure who they are | 16:17 |
| jelkner | but it wouldn't be too hard to figure out | 16:18 |
| jelkner | give them a quiz | 16:18 |
| jelkner | i wanted tboimah and mulbah to agree to be part of this because at least i know they show up twice a week with kevin | 16:18 |
| jelkner | and while i've seen kevin struggle with them to work independently between sessions | 16:19 |
| jelkner | he reports to me that he is generally pleased with their progress | 16:19 |
| jelkner | that make me think they are in the best position to help us meet our goal | 16:20 |
| mulbah | As for me I agree to be part of it | 16:20 |
| mulbah | Jeff | 16:20 |
| jelkner | yes, mulbah, Thomas did too | 16:20 |
| jelkner | thank you both | 16:20 |
| jelkner | we need to show Jetro Web as a group that you can work together to meet a goal | 16:20 |
| jelkner | there will be so many goals in the future | 16:20 |
| jelkner | when you are earning revenue from customers as a business | 16:21 |
| jelkner | time to start learning to do it now | 16:21 |
| jelkner | scooper, the last thing to say (since i have to go) | 16:22 |
| jelkner | is that PCEP, like programming tests in general | 16:22 |
| jelkner | requires above all else math and logic | 16:22 |
| jelkner | a lot of the question on PCEP are short | 16:23 |
| jelkner | like this one: | 16:23 |
| jelkner | a, b = 10, 20 | 16:23 |
| jelkner | print({True: a, False: b}[a < b]) | 16:23 |
| jelkner | but they are math / logic puzzles | 16:23 |
| jelkner | what will those 2 lines of Python code print? | 16:23 |
| jelkner | you have to figure it out | 16:23 |
| scooper | Is that a question??? | 16:24 |
| jelkner | yes | 16:24 |
| scooper | looking at that value | 16:24 |
| scooper | it's not a dictionary | 16:24 |
| jelkner | what is not a dictionary? | 16:25 |
| scooper | though a < b is has a comparising operator | 16:25 |
| jelkner | {True: a, False: b} definitely *is* a dictionary | 16:25 |
| scooper | dictionary are key value pairs | 16:25 |
| jelkner | this is what i mean by puzzle | 16:25 |
| jelkner | yes, True is a key | 16:25 |
| jelkner | and a is the value | 16:25 |
| jelkner | False is a key | 16:25 |
| jelkner | and b is it's value | 16:26 |
| scooper | when definding it from understand | 16:26 |
| scooper | the first value should be value in a double quote or single quote | 16:26 |
| jelkner | why? | 16:26 |
| scooper | follow by a semi colon | 16:26 |
| jelkner | here, let me talk you through this | 16:27 |
| scooper | example print("True" :a, "False" : b}) | 16:27 |
| jelkner | so that you can see what you need to know | 16:27 |
| jelkner | first line creates to names, a and b, and assigns the values 10 and 20 to them respectively | 16:27 |
| jelkner | the next line has a print statement | 16:27 |
| jelkner | so the task it to figure out what will be printed | 16:28 |
| jelkner | {True: a, False: b} | 16:28 |
| jelkner | is a dictionary with two key-value pairs | 16:28 |
| jelkner | the first maps True to a (which we know from the previous statement has value 10) | 16:29 |
| jelkner | and False to b (20) | 16:29 |
| jelkner | [a < b] is an index to the dictionary | 16:29 |
| jelkner | a < b is a comparison statement | 16:29 |
| jelkner | comparison statements return boolean values (True or False) | 16:29 |
| jelkner | this one would evaluate to True | 16:30 |
| jelkner | since 10 is less than 20 | 16:30 |
| jelkner | so... | 16:30 |
| scooper | Sorry | 16:30 |
| scooper | now I understand the question now | 16:30 |
| scooper | I did notice that you assigned a and b first | 16:30 |
| jelkner | {True: 10, False: 20}[10 < 20] | 16:30 |
| jelkner | would simplify as: | 16:31 |
| jelkner | {True: 10, False: 20}[True] | 16:31 |
| jelkner | which would simplify as: | 16:31 |
| jelkner | 10 | 16:31 |
| jelkner | so this would print 10 | 16:31 |
| jelkner | those are the kinds of questions you need to answer on the PCEP | 16:31 |
| scooper | please give another one.... | 16:32 |
| jelkner | i did give you another one | 16:32 |
| jelkner | d = {'zero': 0, 'one': 1, 'three': 3, 'two': 2} | 16:32 |
| jelkner | for k in sorted(d.keys()): | 16:32 |
| jelkner | print(d[k], end=' ') | 16:32 |
| jelkner | on that link i pasted | 16:32 |
| scooper | the question you just pasted have a dictionary as a data type.... | 16:33 |
| scooper | d | 16:33 |
| jelkner | +2 | 16:33 |
| jelkner | lol | 16:33 |
| jelkner | +1 | 16:33 |
| scooper | and it looping through iteration variable k | 16:33 |
| jelkner | +1 | 16:34 |
| scooper | to get key from each value | 16:34 |
| jelkner | key from each value? | 16:34 |
| jelkner | i don't understand what that means | 16:34 |
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| jelkner | d.keys() returns what type? | 16:35 |
| scooper | it mean print out | 16:35 |
| scooper | o, 1, 3 ,2 | 16:35 |
| jelkner | walk me through it | 16:35 |
| jelkner | answer my question | 16:35 |
| jelkner | d.keys() returns what type? | 16:35 |
| scooper | for the beginning right?? | 16:36 |
| jelkner | no, just answer my questions | 16:36 |
| jelkner | d.keys() returns what type? | 16:36 |
| jelkner | the answer is a list | 16:36 |
| scooper | this will print each value in the dictionary | 16:36 |
| jelkner | scooper, you're not answering my question | 16:37 |
| scooper | example.. 0,1,3,2 | 16:37 |
| jelkner | no | 16:37 |
| jelkner | d.keys() | 16:37 |
| jelkner | will evaluate to: | 16:37 |
| jelkner | ['zero', 'one', 'three', 'two'] | 16:37 |
| jelkner | sorted(d.keys()) will evaluate to: | 16:38 |
| jelkner | ['one', 'three', 'two', 'zero'] | 16:38 |
| scooper | sorted is a python menthod | 16:38 |
| jelkner | yes | 16:38 |
| scooper | that will arrange the value in the dictionary | 16:38 |
| jelkner | no | 16:39 |
| scooper | in order | 16:39 |
| jelkner | it is arranging the values in alist | 16:39 |
| jelkner | a list | 16:39 |
| jelkner | d.keys() is a list | 16:39 |
| scooper | hmmmm | 16:39 |
| scooper | yes | 16:39 |
| jelkner | ok, scooper, i need to go | 16:39 |
| jelkner | this is exactly the kind of thing you need to do | 16:40 |
| jelkner | but you need to: | 16:40 |
| jelkner | 1. work a few dozen of these kinds of problems each day | 16:40 |
| jelkner | 2. do them together in a study group | 16:40 |
| jelkner | so that you can all talk to each other | 16:40 |
| jelkner | developing your active vocabularies | 16:41 |
| jelkner | if you all can't do that | 16:41 |
| jelkner | you are not doing your part | 16:41 |
| jelkner | when we tutors come to meet with you | 16:41 |
| jelkner | you all should be coming WELL PREPARED | 16:41 |
| jelkner | which means you have good questions that come from working hard together and practicing a lot | 16:42 |
| jelkner | then we tutors feel good | 16:42 |
| jelkner | because we see how bright and hard working our students are! ;-) | 16:42 |
| jelkner | and then we can answer interesting, deep questions | 16:42 |
| jelkner | which also makes us feel good | 16:42 |
| jelkner | you said that's what Sahnun told you | 16:43 |
| jelkner | Kevin would say the same thing | 16:43 |
| jelkner | and if you can learn to do that | 16:43 |
| jelkner | more tutors will want to get involved | 16:43 |
| jelkner | because if feels good | 16:43 |
| jelkner | and is fun to do | 16:43 |
| jelkner | in my fantasy world | 16:44 |
| jelkner | i can imagine the sight | 16:44 |
| jelkner | scooper, mulbah, tboimah, svaye, fkoikoi, and janet all gathered together in the MCSS lab | 16:45 |
| jelkner | they sit around the biggest monitor they have | 16:45 |
| jelkner | or even better, if the project is still working | 16:45 |
| jelkner | they project onto the wall | 16:46 |
| jelkner | they say, "let's look at the next problem" | 16:46 |
| jelkner | they all take a few minutes to thing about it | 16:46 |
| jelkner | then someone (maybe scooper, since he is managing the process ;-) | 16:46 |
| jelkner | says, "anyone have it yet?" | 16:46 |
| jelkner | someone answers | 16:47 |
| jelkner | explains how they got it | 16:47 |
| jelkner | someone else then trys it out in the Python REPLE to see if it is correct | 16:47 |
| jelkner | "Yes", they say! | 16:47 |
| jelkner | or something, "No, Python is saying ..." | 16:47 |
| jelkner | and you all look to see what the REPL is giving you | 16:48 |
| jelkner | and try to figure out why | 16:48 |
| jelkner | if you all get stuck | 16:48 |
| jelkner | you write that question down | 16:48 |
| jelkner | and come to tutoring sessions ready to ask it | 16:48 |
| jelkner | so that is how you do it | 16:49 |
| jelkner | that is how successful college students succeed | 16:49 |
| jelkner | that's what i had to do in many of my college classes | 16:49 |
| jelkner | i worked with classmates to form study groups | 16:49 |
| scooper | What become off those who send excuse Jeff | 16:49 |
| scooper | what should are do??? | 16:49 |
| scooper | * I | 16:50 |
| jelkner | in my fantasy, no one sends excuses ;-) | 16:50 |
| jelkner | they just show results | 16:50 |
| scooper | Got you..... | 16:50 |
| jelkner | we live in the real world | 16:51 |
| jelkner | nothing is as it is in the fantasy | 16:51 |
| jelkner | people will sometimes be late | 16:51 |
| jelkner | or absent | 16:51 |
| jelkner | or unprepared | 16:51 |
| scooper | Lately before you leave... Since Thomas and Mulbah I joining are we taking th GASP Lesson or Mr. COle with present a lesson | 16:51 |
| scooper | *Lastly | 16:51 |
| jelkner | my recommendation at this point | 16:52 |
| jelkner | is to stick to the PCEP curriclum | 16:52 |
| jelkner | do what i suggested | 16:52 |
| jelkner | and come to kevin's tutoring sessions prepared to ask *good* questions | 16:52 |
| jelkner | he doesn't have time to plan lessons | 16:52 |
| jelkner | he has 4 hour a week | 16:52 |
| jelkner | that's all | 16:53 |
| scooper | Ok | 16:53 |
| jelkner | he is very generous indeed giving that | 16:53 |
| jelkner | so now you need to do your part and give back | 16:53 |
| scooper | please paste the link you give Mulbah here | 16:53 |
| jelkner | scooper, it's in the log | 16:53 |
| jelkner | you can just look at it there, yes? | 16:53 |
| scooper | since that is what you want us to follow... | 16:53 |
| jelkner | like i said | 16:54 |
| jelkner | the only you have goes to the same place | 16:54 |
| jelkner | it is the same curriculum | 16:54 |
| jelkner | ok, my friend | 16:54 |
| jelkner | i'll be in class, but i'll still try to join irc when kevin comes at 1 pm your time on monday | 16:55 |
| jelkner | to see if he is ok with what i asked him to do | 16:55 |
| jelkner | i think he will be | 16:55 |
| jelkner | but it is up to him, of course | 16:55 |
| jelkner | enjoy the rest of your weekend | 16:56 |
| jelkner | and say hi to all the women in your life for me! | 16:56 |
| scooper | Ok | 16:56 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for the weekend | 16:56 |
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