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| scooper | Good morning Shanun | 11:02 |
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| scooper | Good morning D C Nike and thomas | 11:44 |
| tboimah | Good morning scooper | 11:45 |
| dcammue | Good morning Mr Cooper | 11:45 |
| scooper | Thomas you told me you done have a computer how come you been online actively for the past two days???? | 11:47 |
| scooper | I m at the lap why nobody is here today..... | 11:48 |
| tboimah | i been coming to daniel house to turn on line using his computer | 11:49 |
| tboimah | because no body have been coming to the lab this past days | 11:49 |
| scooper | Good that is team building..... | 11:51 |
| tboimah | seriously, But mulbah told me that you will not be to the lab until monday | 11:51 |
| tboimah | Okay i am on my way now to the lab | 11:51 |
| scooper | I told mulbah the office is smelling | 11:51 |
| scooper | since the water wasted on the rod so let meet saturday by then the smell have already gone down | 11:52 |
| scooper | that was exactly what I told Mulbah..... | 11:52 |
| tboimah | okay see you at the lab soon | 11:52 |
| tboimah | i on my way | 11:53 |
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| jelkner | Hello scooper | 11:55 |
| scooper | ok Thomas and Daniel I m awating on your guys | 11:56 |
| scooper | Oh Good morning Jelkner | 11:56 |
| scooper | *you guys | 11:57 |
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| scooper1 | jelkner | 12:03 |
| jelkner | scooper1, | 12:03 |
| scooper1 | I m tried going through the questions bank this morning... | 12:04 |
| scooper1 | it very impress but I have a recommendation here | 12:04 |
| scooper1 | You shouldn't have placed the answer in the question bank... It should have only been the question them we should tried to figure out those answers on our own... | 12:05 |
| jelkner | that's your job, my dear friend | 12:06 |
| jelkner | not mine | 12:06 |
| scooper1 | Any that is just my view | 12:06 |
| jelkner | i've given you the resource | 12:06 |
| jelkner | now you use it | 12:06 |
| scooper1 | Anyway that is just my view | 12:06 |
| jelkner | i understand what you are saying | 12:06 |
| jelkner | some of my students said the same things | 12:06 |
| jelkner | but i don't have the time to do that | 12:06 |
| jelkner | if i just put the question | 12:06 |
| jelkner | you will want to know if you got it right | 12:06 |
| jelkner | and then you will want me to make up some other file | 12:07 |
| jelkner | with answers | 12:07 |
| jelkner | i'm already spending more time than i have on this | 12:07 |
| jelkner | in my many descriptions of the study session i hope to see | 12:07 |
| scooper1 | Is ok that is just my recommendation... | 12:07 |
| jelkner | it is scooper1 who seperates the questions from the answers, not jelkner ;-) | 12:08 |
| jelkner | it's a great recommendation scooper1 | 12:08 |
| scooper1 | hahahaha | 12:08 |
| jelkner | now do it! | 12:08 |
| scooper1 | OK I will do as you have recommended | 12:10 |
| jelkner | great | 12:10 |
| scooper1 | jelkner "is", "==" are they the same intense of comparison operator??? | 12:17 |
| scooper1 | example 5 is 5 or 5 == 5 | 12:17 |
| scooper1 | but value will out a boolean expression of true | 12:17 |
| scooper1 | *But value will output a boolean expression of True | 12:18 |
| jelkner | is compares memory addresses | 12:18 |
| jelkner | not values | 12:18 |
| jelkner | it is useful in detecting if two names are aliases | 12:19 |
| jelkner | m = [] | 12:19 |
| jelkner | n = m | 12:19 |
| jelkner | n is m | 12:19 |
| jelkner | True | 12:19 |
| jelkner | p = m[:] | 12:19 |
| jelkner | p is m | 12:19 |
| jelkner | False | 12:19 |
| scooper1 | The example I m about to send you | 12:24 |
| scooper1 | I m using a is not double == sign | 12:24 |
| jelkner | don't send me scooper1 | 12:24 |
| jelkner | you need to learn to use pastebin | 12:24 |
| scooper1 | ok | 12:25 |
| jelkner | https://pastebin.com/ | 12:25 |
| jelkner | then you just post a link here | 12:25 |
| scooper1 | according to you doing the question session are we not allow to send question in here?? | 12:25 |
| scooper1 | We should only use pastebin right??? | 12:25 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:26 |
| jelkner | irc isn't intended for long, formatted text | 12:26 |
| scooper1 | got you | 12:26 |
| scooper1 | ACTION leaving to use the bath room | 12:28 |
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| tboimah | Good morning Jegg | 12:32 |
| tboimah | *Jeff | 12:33 |
| jelkner | hi all | 12:33 |
| dcammue | hi to you too jelkner | 12:33 |
| tboimah | I am on mudulo 4 of the book now i can say i am almost prepare for the PCEP now | 12:34 |
| jelkner | that is great, tboimah! | 12:35 |
| tboimah | I can say by the 25 of January i will be ready | 12:35 |
| jelkner | excellent | 12:35 |
| jelkner | we need to purchase a voucher for you | 12:36 |
| jelkner | before that date | 12:36 |
| tboimah | yeah | 12:36 |
| jelkner | we also need to write to them about how you will be proctored | 12:36 |
| sysadmin__ | Jeff | 12:36 |
| jelkner | sysadmin__ | 12:36 |
| sysadmin__ | sorry is me scooper | 12:37 |
| jelkner | scooper1, | 12:37 |
| sysadmin__ | As it relate to the proctored who will proctored whom | 12:37 |
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| sysadmin__ | Or are we using the supe as proctored if yes?? | 12:37 |
| jelkner | it would be nice if you could use a nick we recognize sysadmin__ | 12:38 |
| sysadmin__ | Are think he need to be inform at ahead of time | 12:38 |
| jelkner | change your nick to scooper | 12:38 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 12:38 |
| jelkner | yes, scooper, i think you are right | 12:38 |
| scooper | sorry never saw that coming | 12:38 |
| jelkner | we need to email them and let them know our situation | 12:38 |
| jelkner | and ask how we do it | 12:38 |
| scooper | Because proctored need to be notify before the final date of the exam | 12:39 |
| jelkner | this is real flexible, scooper | 12:39 |
| jelkner | you can take it at any time | 12:39 |
| scooper | I KNOW | 12:39 |
| scooper | But the person who is proctoring need to beware of a particular date | 12:40 |
| jelkner | https://pythoninstitute.org/test-now | 12:40 |
| jelkner | It uses AI to proctor | 12:41 |
| scooper | Let me I want to take my test on the 20th of this month which happening to be saturday and complete the the third and fourth module on Ebedu.com | 12:41 |
| jelkner | so you don't need anyone local | 12:41 |
| scooper | Ah I see | 12:41 |
| scooper | I done know that how it work....... | 12:42 |
| scooper | Though we need someone presence oooooooooo | 12:42 |
| jelkner | read the page i just sent you | 12:42 |
| jelkner | it explains everything | 12:42 |
| jelkner | perhaps you could ask the Supe to help you understand this | 12:43 |
| scooper | ACTION going to read what Jeff sent | 12:43 |
| jelkner | he has experience with these kinds of things | 12:43 |
| scooper | ACTION done | 12:49 |
| tboimah | ACTION done reading the link Jeff send | 12:50 |
| jelkner | so you see, if you have a voucher number, you can test any time | 12:50 |
| jelkner | the system uses AI to proctor you | 12:50 |
| jelkner | not sure how that works | 12:51 |
| jelkner | but we don't have to understand it to use it | 12:51 |
| BigBrother | jelkner : dcammue : tboimah : scooper | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Tick Tock! | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | It's 13:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting. | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Uh-oh! That is embarassing... | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Unfortunately, there are no items on the agenda! | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Have a nice day, Websters! | 13:00 |
| jelkner | this is firing at the wrong time | 13:00 |
| jelkner | it's an hour off | 13:00 |
| jelkner | i'll ask Toby about it on Monday | 13:00 |
| tboimah | sure | 13:03 |
| tboimah | but can you ask when he is working on it to let me know, so i can learn from him | 13:04 |
| jelkner | tboimah, he is in my room from 9:30 to 10 am my time | 13:08 |
| jelkner | each school day | 13:08 |
| jelkner | so if you are there then, fine | 13:08 |
| jelkner | otherwise, it is hard to coordinate | 13:08 |
| tboimah | OkY | 13:14 |
| tboimah | jelkner, I have one logical question for you | 13:20 |
| tboimah | why 17 / 2 * 3 + 2 is given the answer to be 27.5 | 13:21 |
| jelkner | you tell me | 13:21 |
| fkoikoi | Good morning jeff | 13:22 |
| jelkner | it is a numerical expression involving numerical operators | 13:22 |
| jelkner | how do you evaluate an expression like this? | 13:22 |
| jelkner | what are the rules? | 13:22 |
| tboimah | OKay in my way if i see problem like this i think about something in math call "PEMDAS" | 13:22 |
| jelkner | +1 | 13:22 |
| jelkner | we have no P or E here | 13:23 |
| jelkner | so it's all about MDAS ;-) | 13:23 |
| jelkner | and you need to remember that MD and AS are have the same precedence | 13:23 |
| jelkner | so you evaluate them in order from left to right | 13:23 |
| tboimah | sure | 13:24 |
| tboimah | That is what i was wanted to here | 13:24 |
| jelkner | so we have the equivalent of ((17 / 2) * 3) + 2 | 13:24 |
| tboimah | sure | 13:25 |
| tboimah | Okay one more question | 13:26 |
| jelkner | keep 'em coming! | 13:26 |
| tboimah | why 2 // -4 is equal to -1 | 13:26 |
| tboimah | we are now going to floor division | 13:27 |
| jelkner | didn't you ask me this yesterday? | 13:27 |
| fkoikoi | when tboimah is done, i want to get a clear understanding of something jelkner | 13:27 |
| jelkner | or was it someone else: | 13:27 |
| jelkner | anyway, yes, it is floor division | 13:27 |
| tboimah | still need more explaination | 13:27 |
| jelkner | ok, let me try | 13:28 |
| fkoikoi | me too jeff | 13:28 |
| jelkner | The // operator expects two ints as arguments | 13:28 |
| jelkner | and returns an int | 13:28 |
| jelkner | for positive numbers, if we have n1 // n2, we get the number of times n2 can divide into n1 | 13:29 |
| jelkner | 7 // 3 | 13:29 |
| jelkner | will give 2 | 13:29 |
| jelkner | but -7 // 3 will give -3 | 13:30 |
| jelkner | since it is returning the next lower integer from what -7 / 3 gives you | 13:31 |
| jelkner | it will help if you look at a number line | 13:31 |
| jelkner | in the vertical position | 13:31 |
| jelkner | floor means below | 13:31 |
| jelkner | 7 / 2 is 3.5 | 13:31 |
| jelkner | so 7 // 2 is 3 | 13:32 |
| jelkner | 3 is below 3.5 | 13:32 |
| jelkner | but -7 / 2 is -3.5 | 13:32 |
| jelkner | -7 / 2 is -4 | 13:32 |
| jelkner | since -3 is above -3.5 | 13:32 |
| jelkner | not below it | 13:33 |
| jelkner | does that help? | 13:33 |
| tboimah | yeah thanks | 13:33 |
| dcammue | so it take the number that is lesser than the result? | 13:34 |
| dcammue | like it round it down something like that? | 13:35 |
| jelkner | lesser, dcammue | 13:35 |
| jelkner | yes | 13:35 |
| jelkner | that's the "floor" part | 13:35 |
| jelkner | the floor is below | 13:36 |
| jelkner | lesser | 13:36 |
| dcammue | but some time it take the same number if both are equal. | 13:37 |
| dcammue | like | 13:37 |
| dcammue | 3 and 3 | 13:37 |
| jelkner | good observation, dcammue | 13:37 |
| jelkner | so you are absolutely right | 13:37 |
| jelkner | and in mathematics and programming, precision is *so* important | 13:38 |
| jelkner | it is not "below" | 13:38 |
| jelkner | it is "on or below" | 13:38 |
| jelkner | <= | 13:38 |
| jelkner | NOT < | 13:38 |
| svaye | Good morning jelkner | 13:41 |
| dcammue | so is it true that -0.5 greater than -1? jelkner | 13:41 |
| jelkner | yes, dcammue, absolute! | 13:41 |
| jelkner | absolutely! | 13:41 |
| dcammue | okay] | 13:41 |
| dcammue | thanks | 13:42 |
| tboimah_ | We are now in the lab working as a team on your question Jeff | 13:46 |
| tboimah_ | The one in th cobery account | 13:46 |
| jelkner | great | 13:46 |
| tboimah_ | I can say it is Great working as a team Jeff | 13:47 |
| jelkner | i'm so happy to hear that, tboimah_ | 13:47 |
| tboimah_ | Because someone wickness is another person strength | 13:47 |
| jelkner | i am looking forward to being part of that for 3 weeks when i'm with you in august | 13:47 |
| jelkner | exactly! | 13:47 |
| jelkner | it is with our combined strength that Jetro Web will be able to address customer needs well | 13:48 |
| tboimah_ | sure | 13:48 |
| tboimah_ | yeah | 13:48 |
| tboimah_ | learning Python is sweet like bread and butter Jeff | 13:49 |
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| jelkner | LOL | 13:53 |
| jelkner | it really is, tboimah_ | 13:53 |
| jelkner | Python rocks! | 13:54 |
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| jelkner | tboimah, Kevin was a bit disappointed no one was there yesterday | 13:54 |
| jelkner | be sure to show up on Monday | 13:54 |
| jelkner | he is an excellent tutor | 13:55 |
| jelkner | and he knows Python well | 13:55 |
| tboimah | Okay, | 13:55 |
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| jelkner | it's part of the whole team thing | 13:55 |
| jelkner | sometimes he will explain things better than me | 13:56 |
| jelkner | sometimes i will explain them better than him | 13:56 |
| jelkner | or... | 13:56 |
| tboimah | It was the current that is why we was not on line yesterday | 13:56 |
| jelkner | tboimah might like Kevin's explanation, while svaye likes Jeff's | 13:57 |
| jelkner | as a team, we learn better and move faster | 13:57 |
| jelkner | ahh | 13:57 |
| jelkner | yes, that is another thing we need to fix over the next few years | 13:57 |
| jelkner | that's why we need to solar panels | 13:57 |
| jelkner | or some form of reliable electricity | 13:58 |
| tboimah | sure Jeff | 13:58 |
| jelkner | customers will not want to wait when they need something fast | 13:58 |
| jelkner | so we need to be as responsive as we can be | 13:58 |
| jelkner | that's part of our long term plan | 13:58 |
| jelkner | better infrastructure | 13:58 |
| jelkner | for reliability | 13:59 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, do you have any agenda items for today? | 14:00 |
| jelkner | anything you want to discuss? | 14:00 |
| jelkner | tboimah, i noticed that NOVA Web's agenda just fired | 14:01 |
| jelkner | this is all messed up | 14:01 |
| jelkner | i'll ask about that at the beginning of the NOVA Web meeting at 10 | 14:02 |
| jelkner | Toby was introducing JMolina to the bot | 14:02 |
| jelkner | i'm not sure if he gets it yet | 14:02 |
| jelkner | we can ask him in an hour | 14:02 |
| tboimah | yeah | 14:03 |
| fkoikoi | We are doing some group practice now jeff | 14:15 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, i'm confused | 14:16 |
| jelkner | you do group practice in person in the lab | 14:16 |
| tboimah | she mean in the lab Jeff | 14:16 |
| jelkner | i can't be in the lab, fkoikoi | 14:16 |
| jelkner | i wish i could, but i can't ;-) | 14:17 |
| jelkner | i wil in august | 14:17 |
| jelkner | i will be there in august | 14:17 |
| fkoikoi | Jeff | 14:17 |
| jelkner | Freena | 14:17 |
| svaye | we are going through the questions you sent and we are taking turns to explain a question to the group jelkner | 14:18 |
| jelkner | excellent, svaye | 14:18 |
| jelkner | you don't need me for that | 14:18 |
| jelkner | you should do it together, and for several hours each week | 14:19 |
| jelkner | then i can be available for 10 minutes each weekday morning | 14:19 |
| fkoikoi | I only have one agenda item for today | 14:19 |
| jelkner | to answer questions | 14:19 |
| jelkner | let's do it, fkoikoi | 14:19 |
| jelkner | i have so much work to do today! | 14:19 |
| fkoikoi | that's what we are doing jeff | 14:20 |
| fkoikoi | of here is it | 14:20 |
| fkoikoi | the pecep test | 14:20 |
| jelkner | PCEP | 14:20 |
| fkoikoi | it's actually a question jeff | 14:20 |
| fkoikoi | are we going to write the test the same day | 14:21 |
| jelkner | i would not recommend that | 14:21 |
| jelkner | i would recommend you choose a "champion" to go first | 14:22 |
| jelkner | in fact, since it costs $59 per test | 14:22 |
| jelkner | we are definitely not going to do it at the same time | 14:22 |
| jelkner | i can't afford it | 14:22 |
| fkoikoi | sure | 14:22 |
| jelkner | the idea is that you have your champion take the test | 14:22 |
| jelkner | when they pass, it builds our confidence | 14:23 |
| jelkner | and they can help others be sure they are ready | 14:23 |
| jelkner | then one-by-one, whenever someone is ready | 14:23 |
| jelkner | they take it | 14:23 |
| jelkner | you only need 1 this month to earn your remittance | 14:23 |
| jelkner | i'm planning to require 1 more in february | 14:23 |
| jelkner | as soon as the 2nd person passes, i'll purchase my plane ticket | 14:24 |
| jelkner | since i am almost certain if we get two people to pass by the end of february | 14:24 |
| jelkner | we can get at least one more by may 1st | 14:24 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 14:25 |
| fkoikoi | yes | 14:25 |
| jelkner | great | 14:25 |
| fkoikoi | thanks jeff | 14:26 |
| jelkner | sure | 14:27 |
| fkoikoi | that's all for now jeff | 14:29 |
| jelkner | alrighty friends, have a great rest of your weekend | 14:29 |
| fkoikoi | you too jelkner | 14:29 |
| jelkner | ACTION switches to #novawebdev | 14:29 |
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