| jelkner | Hello tboimah | 11:55 |
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| tboimah | Good morning Jeff | 11:55 |
| jelkner | I put another PCEP practice test in your home directory | 11:55 |
| jelkner | when you see Spencer, tell him that while i appreciate his suggestions, i don't have time to comply | 11:56 |
| tboimah | I saw that this morning | 11:56 |
| jelkner | if he wants the files i created, he can get them from where it is easy and fast for me to put them | 11:56 |
| tboimah | scooper will soon be joining | 11:56 |
| scooper1 | Good morning Jeff | 11:57 |
| scooper1 | sorry thought I was online jetro web channel now know I was logon to novaweb | 11:58 |
| jelkner | Hello scooper1 | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i saw your email | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i was just telling tboimah that you need to get the practice tests from where i put them | 11:59 |
| scooper | thanks for reading.... | 11:59 |
| scooper | I got it last night Jeff | 11:59 |
| jelkner | great | 11:59 |
| jelkner | ok, this is the last week of the semester | 11:59 |
| scooper | I went throught it already but that was just a suggestion | 11:59 |
| scooper | from my little end | 11:59 |
| jelkner | i've got a workflow | 11:59 |
| jelkner | don't want to change it now | 12:00 |
| jelkner | ;-) | 12:00 |
| jelkner | anyway, this is the last week of the semester | 12:00 |
| jelkner | so i have *a lot* of work to do | 12:00 |
| jelkner | i have to finish grades and prepare for the start of the new term next week | 12:00 |
| jelkner | if you don't need anything, i'll get back to that | 12:01 |
| jelkner | i'm working on another practice test (number 6), but i probably won't finish it until the weekend | 12:01 |
| jelkner | i'm planning on breakfast with Sahnun again Saturday | 12:02 |
| scooper | ok | 12:02 |
| jelkner | we should hold a 30 minute meeting at 9 am EST (2 pm your time) | 12:02 |
| jelkner | to check-in with everyone | 12:02 |
| jelkner | i haven't seen fkoikoi and the others for awhile | 12:02 |
| scooper | should are placed an agenda???? | 12:02 |
| jelkner | what do you think? | 12:03 |
| jelkner | i know your first priority is getting you to pass PCEP | 12:03 |
| scooper | yes we need an agenda | 12:03 |
| jelkner | maybe we should wait until after that to meet? | 12:04 |
| jelkner | you tell me | 12:04 |
| scooper | I noticing something that need to be address before it go off hands | 12:04 |
| jelkner | tell me | 12:04 |
| scooper | ok | 12:04 |
| scooper | Since the test result from tboimah | 12:04 |
| scooper | I m not seeing that collective effort as accepted from everybody | 12:05 |
| scooper | Only thomas and I are here as I speak | 12:05 |
| jelkner | that is unfortunate | 12:05 |
| jelkner | it is important (and difficult) to be resilient | 12:05 |
| scooper | I think it's the time we all should even engaged into python more than ever before | 12:05 |
| jelkner | only with resilience will we succeed | 12:06 |
| jelkner | i agree with you | 12:06 |
| scooper | while I find mean to generate resource for the next test before this month ends... | 12:06 |
| jelkner | scooper, did you ever talk with Isaac? | 12:06 |
| jelkner | i cc'd him in the hopes that he would intervene here | 12:06 |
| scooper | Isaac is going through a lot right now..... | 12:06 |
| jelkner | yes, i understand | 12:06 |
| jelkner | ok, we do what we can | 12:06 |
| jelkner | so, my dear friend, it's up to you | 12:07 |
| scooper | I can't engage him on that Jeff I will take the initiative for now... till other wise other | 12:07 |
| jelkner | Isaac is one of the most motivational teachers I have ever met | 12:07 |
| jelkner | I was hoping he could help us with this. | 12:07 |
| jelkner | but if he isn't available, we are on our own | 12:07 |
| scooper | Jeff since I m in change here please abide by my recommendation | 12:07 |
| jelkner | it's on you, my friend | 12:08 |
| jelkner | so i should let you get to it | 12:08 |
| scooper | don't placed the question on the server.... sent it to my mail then I can print | 12:08 |
| jelkner | scooper, if you can't get a pdf off a server | 12:08 |
| jelkner | we have big problems | 12:08 |
| scooper | and distribute it to the interns including myself will be testing the test on paper | 12:08 |
| scooper | you not getting me | 12:09 |
| jelkner | it means in a year and a half we have not made much progress | 12:09 |
| scooper | I can get a pdf from the server with ease | 12:09 |
| scooper | but my point here | 12:09 |
| jelkner | then do it | 12:09 |
| jelkner | my point here is that i have a workflow | 12:09 |
| scooper | I been doing it Jeff | 12:09 |
| jelkner | good, keep doing it | 12:09 |
| scooper | can you get my point too??? | 12:09 |
| jelkner | scooper, you are already asking a lot of me | 12:09 |
| jelkner | i have to make these tests | 12:09 |
| jelkner | it takes hours to do that | 12:09 |
| jelkner | then i have to test them with students here to find errors | 12:10 |
| jelkner | then i send them to you | 12:10 |
| jelkner | we have a place where i can quickly put them | 12:10 |
| jelkner | i have already found little mistakes | 12:10 |
| jelkner | so i replace the file with the fixed one | 12:10 |
| jelkner | email makes a mess of things | 12:10 |
| jelkner | since the different versions will get confused | 12:11 |
| jelkner | i'm going to continue doing what i'm doing | 12:11 |
| jelkner | email is bad for this | 12:11 |
| jelkner | so, no, i'm not going to email them to you | 12:11 |
| jelkner | i gotta go | 12:12 |
| scooper | OK let work with | 12:12 |
| scooper | ok | 12:12 |
| jelkner | i'll be back tomorrow at the same time | 12:12 |
| jelkner | tboimah, scooper i'm not seeing any questions from you | 12:13 |
| jelkner | so i don't know how you are studying | 12:13 |
| scooper | I will send a link of my question before | 12:13 |
| jelkner | but i can give you a few lessons i am learning from my students | 12:13 |
| scooper | today end | 12:13 |
| jelkner | good | 12:13 |
| scooper | I had a doubt on things | 12:14 |
| jelkner | that will be helpful | 12:14 |
| jelkner | email *is* good for that! ;-) | 12:14 |
| scooper | git is better for that | 12:14 |
| scooper | no git is better for that | 12:14 |
| jelkner | git with markdown is great for so many things | 12:14 |
| jelkner | anyway, whatever you want to do that gives me a place to share code and comments | 12:15 |
| jelkner | we need to use Kevin and Sahnun effectively | 12:15 |
| jelkner | nice thing about email is you can email all three of us at once | 12:15 |
| jelkner | i now have 13 of my 32 students who have passed the PCEP | 12:16 |
| jelkner | those where the top students | 12:16 |
| jelkner | it is now getting harder | 12:16 |
| jelkner | the new students who are testing are starting to fail | 12:16 |
| jelkner | they don't know how to study | 12:16 |
| jelkner | they don't know how to ask the right questions | 12:16 |
| jelkner | like... what is this question asking? | 12:16 |
| jelkner | oh, it's about dictionary methods. | 12:17 |
| jelkner | What are the dictionary methods i need to know? | 12:17 |
| jelkner | how can i add a key-value pair to a dictionary (two ways seem to be tested) | 12:17 |
| jelkner | ? | 12:17 |
| jelkner | how can i remove key-value pairs from a dictionary? | 12:17 |
| jelkner | what does len(dict) give you back? | 12:18 |
| jelkner | stuff like that | 12:18 |
| jelkner | there is a lot to learn | 12:18 |
| jelkner | and the top students are able to figure out what they need to know | 12:18 |
| jelkner | the struggling students can't | 12:18 |
| jelkner | they get lost in details | 12:18 |
| jelkner | and don't know how to focus on the core concepts | 12:18 |
| jelkner | this is the first year i am doing PCEP | 12:19 |
| jelkner | and the more i work with it, the more i like it | 12:19 |
| jelkner | it is like learning times tables for doing arithmetic | 12:19 |
| jelkner | it provides the foundation that you need to use Python | 12:19 |
| scooper | I got you jeff... you have a lot of do that for me done really bother you with python question | 12:20 |
| scooper | I rather ask Sahnun if I need help | 12:20 |
| jelkner | yes, please ask Sahnun and Kevin | 12:20 |
| scooper | because I understand and know how busy you are | 12:20 |
| jelkner | Kevin tells me that he comes on sometimes and there is no one there | 12:20 |
| jelkner | that is really unfortunate | 12:20 |
| scooper | especially preparing question for us on a weekly basis | 12:20 |
| jelkner | he is demotivated | 12:20 |
| jelkner | and you are wasting a huge resource | 12:20 |
| jelkner | anyway, i really have to go | 12:21 |
| jelkner | i'll be back tomorrow | 12:21 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 12:21 |
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