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| jelkner | Hello scooper and tboimah | 11:53 |
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| scooper | Morning Jeff | 11:53 |
| tboimah | Good morning jelkner | 11:54 |
| jelkner | Did you get a chance to read the emails Kevin and I sent? | 11:54 |
| scooper | Concerning me not being online right??? | 11:54 |
| tboimah | I did not see any mail | 11:55 |
| jelkner | Concerning you *and* fkoikoi not being online, not letting me know about plans, not making progress... | 11:55 |
| tboimah | did you send it on my personal email or novawebdev | 11:55 |
| tboimah | 11:56 | |
| jelkner | tboimah, i cc'd jetrowebdev, so you should have seen it | 11:56 |
| jelkner | if you didn't, we have a technical issues | 11:56 |
| jelkner | issue | 11:56 |
| scooper | I reply via telegram since I didn't use my laptop to check my email last night | 11:56 |
| dcammue | Good morning jelkner scooper and tboimah | 11:57 |
| jelkner | good morning dcammue | 11:57 |
| scooper | Good morning dcammue | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i understand things are tough in Liberia, scooper | 11:58 |
| jelkner | so here is my question: | 11:58 |
| jelkner | Are we trying to do something that is not reasonable? | 11:58 |
| jelkner | Should we stop trying to form this business, because the conditions don't support doing it? | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i need to know | 11:58 |
| jelkner | because i only have a limited amount of energy left in my life | 11:59 |
| jelkner | and i want to use it where it can be the most useful | 11:59 |
| scooper | No, we need for found this business because we need it greatly, secondly we all have come too far to quite | 11:59 |
| jelkner | ok, i'm with you then | 12:00 |
| jelkner | but you need to step up | 12:00 |
| jelkner | if you can't do what we agree | 12:00 |
| jelkner | then it won't work | 12:00 |
| jelkner | Kamal gave me a hard time on Saturday | 12:00 |
| scooper | jelker i told you in my climaxing statement that I already spoke with a lawyer... | 12:00 |
| jelkner | Kevin explained why | 12:00 |
| jelkner | ok, but i want to talk with the lawyer too | 12:00 |
| jelkner | who are they? | 12:01 |
| jelkner | can i email them? | 12:01 |
| scooper | The is an issue here | 12:01 |
| scooper | the supe promise to link us with a lawyer in liberia.... | 12:01 |
| jelkner | jetro can find it's own lawyer | 12:01 |
| jelkner | it's nice that Mr. Zawolo said he would help | 12:01 |
| jelkner | but this is business for the coop, not mcss | 12:02 |
| scooper | but he hadn't done that connection yet... I only contacted another lawyer just in case the supe can move with our speed | 12:02 |
| jelkner | i want to be as clear as i can | 12:02 |
| jelkner | we need to make progress on so many things | 12:02 |
| jelkner | but let's start with our own organization | 12:02 |
| scooper | if I can't hear from him today... I will tell give your email to the lawyer I found already | 12:02 |
| scooper | is that ok | 12:02 |
| jelkner | where is fkoikoi | 12:03 |
| scooper | but I done want to be rude or rush since the supe is about to intervene... | 12:03 |
| jelkner | please put me in touch with the lawyer you talked to | 12:03 |
| jelkner | if you don't rush, we won't get a school | 12:03 |
| scooper | That mean | 12:03 |
| scooper | we are not waiting for the supe lawyer right??? | 12:03 |
| jelkner | Kamal told me, and I quote "We need to work on *his* schedule!" | 12:03 |
| jelkner | so if we are not willing to work on his schedule, we don't really want the school | 12:04 |
| jelkner | simple as that | 12:04 |
| jelkner | where is fkoikoi? | 12:04 |
| scooper | Freena is on her way... | 12:04 |
| jelkner | tboimah, dcammue please check that you got the email i sent | 12:04 |
| dcammue | okay | 12:05 |
| tboimah | jelkner, i did not see any mail | 12:05 |
| scooper | But I told her to connect from where she is right now | 12:05 |
| jelkner | yes, "on her way" won't work | 12:05 |
| tboimah | I think we have an technical issue like you say | 12:05 |
| jelkner | scooper, can we have a meeting on Saturday at this time? | 12:05 |
| jelkner | dcammue, did you see the email? | 12:06 |
| scooper | Sure | 12:06 |
| jelkner | ok, tboimah, dcammue, gap, and scooper | 12:06 |
| jelkner | please tell everyone who is interested in being part of the coop to show up for a meeting this saturday at 12 noon your time | 12:07 |
| jelkner | if they aren't there, we will assume they do not want to be part of forming the business at this point | 12:07 |
| dcammue | I have been out of viewing message from my email jelkner | 12:07 |
| gap | ok | 12:07 |
| jelkner | dcammue, you need to check email | 12:07 |
| dcammue | It has problem | 12:07 |
| tboimah | Alright | 12:07 |
| jelkner | it is a professional responsibility | 12:07 |
| jelkner | tboimah, you are a sys admin | 12:08 |
| jelkner | you of all people should be able to fix problems like this | 12:08 |
| jelkner | we need you to see your email! | 12:08 |
| tboimah | yes but i did not have account on the admin site | 12:08 |
| jelkner | tboimah, reading your nova web mail is just a matter of: | 12:09 |
| scooper | Lastly Jeff | 12:09 |
| jelkner | 1. using the web application | 12:09 |
| jelkner | or | 12:09 |
| jelkner | 2. setting up a local client | 12:09 |
| scooper | You sent me mail concerning the rural cooking project | 12:09 |
| jelkner | scooper, let's not worry about that now | 12:09 |
| scooper | the project is finish | 12:09 |
| jelkner | we are in the emergency room | 12:10 |
| scooper | kindly ask ledmer | 12:10 |
| jelkner | bleeding to death | 12:10 |
| jelkner | let's stop the bleeding first | 12:10 |
| scooper | he is in change now | 12:10 |
| jelkner | then we can worry about other things! | 12:10 |
| scooper | ok jelkner | 12:11 |
| jelkner | scooper, i need to feel that i can communicate with Jetro Web folks, that you will understand what we are trying to do | 12:11 |
| jelkner | and that we can work together to solve problems | 12:11 |
| jelkner | right now, our biggest problem is internal | 12:11 |
| jelkner | lack of communication, lack of coordination | 12:11 |
| jelkner | if we don't solve those structural problems | 12:12 |
| jelkner | it will not be possible to do much else | 12:12 |
| jelkner | scooper, i have two assingments for you, due saturday at 12 noon: | 12:12 |
| jelkner | 1. prepare a list of the people who wish to be founding members of the Jetro Web Development worker cooperative | 12:13 |
| jelkner | 2. get me the contact info of the lawyer who you talked to so i can ask them questions about what we need to do | 12:14 |
| jelkner | to form a legal entity (worker cooperative) in Liberia | 12:14 |
| jelkner | gap, are you studying at the university? | 12:14 |
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| jelkner | ok, i have to go | 12:15 |
| jelkner | dcammue, please see what you can do about your email | 12:15 |
| jelkner | if you can't read email, you are left out of the conversation | 12:15 |
| dcammue | okay | 12:15 |
| dcammue | Thanks for your times | 12:16 |
| jelkner | email is the most reliable form of communication | 12:16 |
| jelkner | since when it is asynchronous | 12:16 |
| scooper1 | please re-paste the second task | 12:16 |
| jelkner | i can send it now and you can read it later | 12:16 |
| scooper1 | I m not seeing it | 12:16 |
| jelkner | 2. get me the contact info of the lawyer who you talked to so i can ask them questions about what we need to do | 12:16 |
| jelkner | to form a legal entity (worker cooperative) in Liberia | 12:16 |
| jelkner | scooper1, i don't think you are making best use of available resources | 12:17 |
| scooper1 | I check the log jeff | 12:17 |
| jelkner | if i were there, i would make a visit to the campus of the university of Liberia | 12:17 |
| jelkner | and talk to someone in the legal department | 12:17 |
| jelkner | to see if there is a student interested in worker owned businesses | 12:18 |
| jelkner | who might want to work with us | 12:18 |
| jelkner | we need to expand our network | 12:18 |
| jelkner | and build our power | 12:18 |
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| scooper1 | Jeff I get to know you through the supe so anything you ask of me I have to bring it to his action before proceeding | 12:18 |
| jelkner | no, scooper1, you don't | 12:18 |
| jelkner | i believe in transparency | 12:18 |
| jelkner | we will tell him what we are doing, of course | 12:18 |
| jelkner | but we will not wait for his "approval" | 12:19 |
| jelkner | we will fail if we do that | 12:19 |
| jelkner | we are not moving | 12:19 |
| jelkner | that's why i asked if you wanted to really do this | 12:19 |
| gap | jeff i can | 12:19 |
| jelkner | if you aren't willing to do what it takes to succeed | 12:19 |
| jelkner | then i am wasting my time here | 12:19 |
| scooper1 | Now it's clear | 12:19 |
| scooper1 | I will work according to you and Kamal time table | 12:20 |
| gap | jeff i can't receive email from you through my novaweb email | 12:20 |
| jelkner | i am confident the supe will be happy if we can succeed | 12:20 |
| jelkner | we need to talk to him about land | 12:20 |
| jelkner | that is an MCSS issue | 12:20 |
| jelkner | forming the cooperative is not | 12:20 |
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| jelkner | MCSS has nothing to do with that | 12:21 |
| jelkner | we will enter into agreement with MCSS for the school | 12:21 |
| jelkner | but the "we" here, is Jetro Web Development | 12:21 |
| jelkner | our biggest problem now is that Jetro Web Development does not exist | 12:21 |
| jelkner | *THAT*, is what we need to fix, and *FAST*! | 12:22 |
| scooper1 | I have a concern.... What if MCSS delay in getting the land? That is not finding th land according to Kamal time | 12:22 |
| jelkner | Let me handle that, scooper1 | 12:22 |
| scooper1 | Will Jetro web still be establish?? | 12:22 |
| jelkner | Those two things are independent | 12:22 |
| jelkner | if we don't get a school, Jetro Web could operate somewhere else | 12:22 |
| jelkner | Look, I don't think you "get it" | 12:23 |
| jelkner | I keep saying over and over, that if Jetro Web can become a business with skills to charge for work | 12:23 |
| jelkner | I can help you get work | 12:23 |
| jelkner | You all need to focus on that | 12:23 |
| jelkner | i have to go, scooper1 | 12:23 |
| jelkner | we can talk more Saturday | 12:23 |
| scooper1 | ok | 12:24 |
| jelkner | but I want you all to figure our who will be the responsible leadership of Jetro | 12:24 |
| jelkner | that i can communicate with | 12:24 |
| jelkner | if communication and follow up does not improve, this won't work | 12:24 |
| jelkner | talk to you on saturday | 12:24 |
| scooper1 | ACTION signing up for today....... | 12:24 |
| scooper1 | ok | 12:24 |
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| jelkner | ACTION signs of until saturday at 12 noon liberia time | 12:24 |
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