| fkoikoi | !agenda Discussion on the operating Agreement | 12:11 |
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| BigBrother | Invalid arguments. | 12:11 |
| successful | !help | 12:12 |
| BigBrother | Available commands: !add, !agenda, !help, !remove | 12:12 |
| fkoikoi | !help | 12:12 |
| BigBrother | Available commands: !add, !agenda, !help, !remove | 12:12 |
| fkoikoi | !add Discussion on the operating agreement | 12:12 |
| BigBrother | Success: "Discussion on the operating agreement" has been added to the agenda. | 12:12 |
| fkoikoi | !agenda | 12:13 |
| BigBrother | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 12:13 |
| BigBrother | Discussion on the operating agreement (added by fkoikoi) | 12:13 |
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| jelkner | Good afternoon dcammue, janet, mulbah, and svaye! | 12:47 |
| jelkner | And successful, who ever that is ;-) | 12:47 |
| dcammue | Good morning jelkner | 12:47 |
| jelkner | ah, tboimah | 12:48 |
| janet | Hi jelkner | 12:48 |
| jelkner | hi janet, great to see you | 12:48 |
| jelkner | it's been awhile | 12:48 |
| svaye | Good morning jelkner | 12:48 |
| successful | fkoikoi said i should ask you if you see her mail | 12:48 |
| successful | she is trying to connect | 12:49 |
| successful | to the hexchat | 12:49 |
| mulbah | Good mornong Jeff | 12:49 |
| jelkner | no i haven't | 12:49 |
| jelkner | let me look | 12:49 |
| jelkner | Hello, fkoikoi | 12:51 |
| fkoikoi | hi jeff | 12:52 |
| jelkner | i'm getting really confused, LOL, tboimah is successful, and janet is Gabriel.... | 12:52 |
| successful | spencer will join us anytime soon he is on his way to the sup house | 12:52 |
| jelkner | i don't know who is who | 12:52 |
| successful | janet is difference from Gabriel | 12:53 |
| jelkner | oh yes | 12:53 |
| janet | Gabriel is also using my machine | 12:53 |
| jelkner | got it | 12:53 |
| janet | sorry about that | 12:53 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, will you be chairing our meeting? | 12:53 |
| jelkner | np, i'm joking | 12:54 |
| fkoikoi | yes | 12:54 |
| jelkner | great | 12:54 |
| jelkner | do you have an agenda? | 12:54 |
| fkoikoi | but have you take a look at the operating agreement | 12:54 |
| jelkner | i did, fkoikoi | 12:55 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 12:55 |
| fkoikoi | !agenda | 12:55 |
| BigBrother | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 12:55 |
| BigBrother | Discussion on the operating agreement (added by fkoikoi) | 12:55 |
| fkoikoi | scooper will soon be here | 12:55 |
| jelkner | !add Discuss plan for establishing Jetro Web | 12:56 |
| BigBrother | Success: "Discuss plan for establishing Jetro Web" has been added to the agenda. | 12:56 |
| jelkner | !add Update everyone on changes to jelkner's work schedule next year and need to adjust monthly expense | 12:56 |
| BigBrother | Success: "Update everyone on changes to jelkner's work schedule next year and need to adjust monthly expense" has been added to the agenda. | 12:56 |
| jelkner | !agenda | 12:57 |
| BigBrother | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 12:57 |
| BigBrother | Discussion on the operating agreement (added by fkoikoi) | 12:57 |
| BigBrother | Discuss plan for establishing Jetro Web (added by jelkner) | 12:57 |
| BigBrother | Update everyone on changes to jelkner's work schedule next year and need to adjust monthly expense (added by jelkner) | 12:57 |
| fkoikoi | jeff | 12:58 |
| jelkner | freena | 12:58 |
| fkoikoi | scooper said that he is experiencing network problem but | 12:59 |
| fkoikoi | you should please answer his call because he is with the sup | 12:59 |
| jelkner | when, now? | 12:59 |
| BigBrother | jelkner : Gabriel : fkoikoi : janet : svaye : dcammue : mulbah : successful | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Tick Tock! | 13:00 |
| fkoikoi | yes | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | It's 13:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting. | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | This is the agenda for today: | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Discussion on the operating agreement (added by fkoikoi) | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Discuss plan for establishing Jetro Web (added by jelkner) | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Update everyone on changes to jelkner's work schedule next year and need to adjust monthly expense (added by jelkner) | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Have a nice day, Websters! | 13:00 |
| jelkner | Please forgive me, everyone, but the Supe wants to talk to me | 13:01 |
| jelkner | can we start in 10 minutes please? | 13:01 |
| fkoikoi | sure | 13:01 |
| successful | okay | 13:01 |
| svaye | +1 | 13:02 |
| mulbah | +1 | 13:02 |
| dcammue | +1 | 13:02 |
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| jelkner | ok, that took less time than i thought | 13:04 |
| jelkner | i'm back | 13:04 |
| jelkner | and ready to start whenever you are, madam chair | 13:04 |
| fkoikoi | I'm ready jeff | 13:05 |
| jelkner | go forward then | 13:05 |
| fkoikoi | Good Afternoon everyone and thanks for showing up here today | 13:05 |
| fkoikoi | your presence is hardly appreciated | 13:06 |
| fkoikoi | let's quickly move to the first item on our agenda | 13:07 |
| fkoikoi | !agenda | 13:07 |
| BigBrother | This is the agenda for the next meeting: | 13:07 |
| BigBrother | Discussion on the operating agreement (added by fkoikoi) | 13:07 |
| BigBrother | Discuss plan for establishing Jetro Web (added by jelkner) | 13:07 |
| BigBrother | Update everyone on changes to jelkner's work schedule next year and need to adjust monthly expense (added by jelkner) | 13:07 |
| fkoikoi | on thursday each member of jetro web development was given the operating agreement to look at and was also send to Jeff for final editing | 13:08 |
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| fkoikoi | at this junction, the team await jeff to give any comment or suggestion about the operating agreement that was sent to him | 13:09 |
| jelkner | i think it looks great | 13:09 |
| jelkner | but there is one problem at the end | 13:09 |
| jelkner | it lists me as registered agent | 13:10 |
| jelkner | that needs to change | 13:10 |
| jelkner | i don't know if the rules are the same in Liberia as here | 13:10 |
| jelkner | or even if you need a "registered agent" | 13:10 |
| jelkner | but if you do, it needs to be one of you | 13:10 |
| jelkner | in any event, i think it is ready enough for you to meet with your attorney | 13:11 |
| jelkner | do you agree? | 13:11 |
| fkoikoi | yes | 13:11 |
| fkoikoi | is there anything else on the operating agreement? | 13:13 |
| jelkner | not from me | 13:13 |
| fkoikoi | before we move to the next item jeff | 13:14 |
| fkoikoi | I will like you to give clarity on something | 13:14 |
| jelkner | great | 13:14 |
| fkoikoi | That is if we happens to establish and registered jetro web development as a legal business | 13:15 |
| jelkner | you mean "when", not "if", don't you? ;-) | 13:16 |
| fkoikoi | will everyone be paid according to the amount of work done or per hour? | 13:16 |
| jelkner | paid by whom, fkoikoi? | 13:16 |
| fkoikoi | by the cooperative | 13:17 |
| jelkner | that's not what i mean | 13:17 |
| jelkner | the cooperative is a business, *your* business | 13:17 |
| jelkner | you decide how it operates | 13:17 |
| jelkner | but a more important question to start is, "How will the cooperative be paid?" | 13:18 |
| jelkner | will you bill by the hour | 13:18 |
| jelkner | ? | 13:18 |
| jelkner | or by the task? | 13:18 |
| jelkner | or something else? | 13:18 |
| fkoikoi | yeah | 13:18 |
| successful | sure that is what she mean | 13:18 |
| jelkner | there is so much to learn | 13:18 |
| jelkner | at NOVA Web Development we like to be able to bill by the hour | 13:18 |
| fkoikoi | that's exactly the question i was trying to as | 13:18 |
| jelkner | with customers whom we trust | 13:18 |
| jelkner | and who trust us | 13:19 |
| jelkner | since you often can't tell in advance how "big" a task is | 13:19 |
| jelkner | sometimes tasks seem simple | 13:19 |
| jelkner | but unexpected complications arise | 13:19 |
| jelkner | ICT is like that | 13:19 |
| jelkner | you need to learn to estimate costs | 13:19 |
| jelkner | but it is often hard to do so precisely | 13:19 |
| jelkner | since i trust you | 13:20 |
| jelkner | when you are billing me, you can bill by the hour | 13:20 |
| jelkner | i want you to bill by the hour | 13:20 |
| jelkner | because then i can look at my bill with you, and say, "wow, you did that fast!" or "this took a lot longer than i thought it would" | 13:21 |
| jelkner | when you do work for NOVA Web Development, i will try to keep things that way | 13:21 |
| jelkner | but if we find a customer who says, "I'll pay you $500 for a basic website" | 13:21 |
| jelkner | and you say, "We want that" | 13:22 |
| jelkner | then you can take it | 13:22 |
| jelkner | and you have to deliver what you agree with the customer | 13:22 |
| jelkner | it's your own business | 13:22 |
| jelkner | you can do whatever you want | 13:22 |
| jelkner | provided the customers agree to pay you that way | 13:22 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 13:22 |
| jelkner | for now | 13:22 |
| fkoikoi | alright, thanks for the clarity | 13:22 |
| jelkner | ACTION is *really* looking forward to the two weeks he will have in person with the Jetro Websters! | 13:24 |
| fkoikoi | with that been said, there is a little editing that is needed to be done on the agreement | 13:24 |
| jelkner | which part? | 13:24 |
| fkoikoi | and will be done today | 13:24 |
| jelkner | can you tell me which part? | 13:25 |
| jelkner | this is a good disucssion | 13:25 |
| jelkner | it would be nice to read that part now and talk about it | 13:25 |
| jelkner | give me the section | 13:25 |
| jelkner | i have the document open | 13:25 |
| fkoikoi | yes | 13:25 |
| successful | just a minute she is looking for it | 13:25 |
| fkoikoi | section 16 | 13:26 |
| fkoikoi | hourly payment | 13:26 |
| jelkner | i think that section looks good | 13:27 |
| jelkner | what is wrong with it? | 13:27 |
| fkoikoi | Hourly payment talks about the members tracking their hours worked for and be paid for it | 13:28 |
| jelkner | yes, but it also says "This hourly rate is a goal but is not guaranteed." | 13:28 |
| jelkner | that's a great line | 13:28 |
| jelkner | you need flexibility | 13:28 |
| successful | so are the member going to be paid by the hour they work for | 13:29 |
| jelkner | since you are all new to this, and you will need to learn from experience | 13:29 |
| jelkner | but it is great to have a goal of paying an hourly rate | 13:29 |
| jelkner | that sounds very reasonable to me | 13:29 |
| fkoikoi | alright | 13:29 |
| jelkner | it should be what you all *want* | 13:29 |
| fkoikoi | sure | 13:29 |
| jelkner | it is aspirational | 13:29 |
| fkoikoi | My next question jeff | 13:30 |
| jelkner | the "not guarenteed" gives you the wiggle room to make adjustments | 13:30 |
| jelkner | but states clear what you want | 13:30 |
| jelkner | you should talk with your attorney | 13:30 |
| gabriel_ | ok | 13:30 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 13:31 |
| jelkner | remember, you need to make sure what ever you write meets the legal requirements of Liberia | 13:31 |
| fkoikoi | sure | 13:31 |
| jelkner | now, let's talk about next steps | 13:32 |
| jelkner | i wish scooper were here | 13:32 |
| fkoikoi | Guys, I think we should hold on to the operating agreement for now | 13:32 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, Jetro Web needs to become a business soon | 13:32 |
| jelkner | or it can't sign an agreement with Kamal Foundation | 13:32 |
| jelkner | so we can't hold for too long | 13:33 |
| gabriel_ | s. cooper should have but maybe he gat stock on something | 13:33 |
| jelkner | he was at the Supe's house, gabriel_ | 13:33 |
| jelkner | he was trying to connect, but he couldn't | 13:33 |
| fkoikoi | and wait till we hear from the lawyer | 13:33 |
| jelkner | ok, now i know what you are saying | 13:33 |
| jelkner | that sounds good | 13:33 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, we are on agenda item 2, yes? | 13:34 |
| fkoikoi | yes | 13:34 |
| jelkner | i want to make a proposal | 13:34 |
| jelkner | the cost of the consultation with the attorney is $200 | 13:34 |
| jelkner | while i want to help out, i believe strongly that all of you need to have "skin in the game" as the saying goes | 13:35 |
| jelkner | so you should all chip in for this | 13:35 |
| jelkner | those that are getting a larger stipend perhaps should be expected to chip in more | 13:35 |
| jelkner | it's up to you, not me | 13:35 |
| jelkner | but i need to know what you all decide soon | 13:35 |
| jelkner | it is 3/23 | 13:35 |
| jelkner | and almost time for me to send the monthly stipend | 13:36 |
| jelkner | i plan to include a few extra dollars this month to help out with the attorney fee | 13:36 |
| jelkner | but i need to know how much | 13:36 |
| jelkner | so fkoikoi, can you please get together with everyone (including scooper) and make a proposal back to me? | 13:37 |
| fkoikoi | yes jeff | 13:37 |
| jelkner | great | 13:37 |
| jelkner | next thing about this | 13:37 |
| jelkner | starting in April, i want to move forward toward running this like a real business | 13:38 |
| jelkner | at the end of April I am committed to sending the same $800 as I have been (though that will go down in August, as I will explain in agenda item 3) | 13:38 |
| jelkner | but i want you to bill me for it | 13:39 |
| jelkner | i will only send it if i get an invoice from Jetro Web Development | 13:39 |
| jelkner | so you need to learn how to do that next month | 13:39 |
| jelkner | i wanted to answer any questions that you have now about that | 13:39 |
| jelkner | so you know what you need to learn | 13:39 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, this is mainly your responsibliity | 13:40 |
| fkoikoi | what do you mean by invoice jeff? | 13:40 |
| jelkner | hold on... | 13:40 |
| jelkner | give me 5 minutes to find an example | 13:40 |
| gabriel_ | so with the issue of PCEP when we'll be doing ours if i made ask? | 13:41 |
| fkoikoi | I think I have an idea about that jeff | 13:43 |
| fkoikoi | jelkner | 13:45 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, can you answer gabriel_'s question? | 13:45 |
| fkoikoi | I already did Jeff or should I put it here | 13:46 |
| jelkner | https://share.mayfirst.org/s/5g6CEtKXJ4e8aaL | 13:47 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, can you see the document to which i just linked? | 13:47 |
| fkoikoi | yes | 13:47 |
| jelkner | that is an invoice | 13:47 |
| jelkner | NOVA Web actually built a web application called Business Tracker | 13:48 |
| jelkner | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/business-tracker | 13:49 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking, fkoikoi, that now might be the time to get you trained to use it | 13:49 |
| jelkner | it generates invoices | 13:49 |
| jelkner | Kei used it to generate the invoice i just shared with you | 13:49 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 13:50 |
| jelkner | i will see Kei on monday | 13:50 |
| jelkner | let me talk to her about it and see what she thinks | 13:50 |
| jelkner | then i'll follow up with you | 13:50 |
| fkoikoi | if you are done jeff, can we move to the third item on our agenda | 13:51 |
| fkoikoi | alright I will email her too today | 13:51 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 13:51 |
| fkoikoi | my computer will soon go off | 13:51 |
| jelkner | ok, we got a lot done | 13:51 |
| fkoikoi | and no current at the office | 13:51 |
| jelkner | agenda item 3 is just a heads up, so we can plan | 13:51 |
| jelkner | good news and bad news next year for me | 13:51 |
| jelkner | good news is i will have a lot more time | 13:52 |
| jelkner | bad news is i will have a lot less money | 13:52 |
| jelkner | i am working an overload schedule this year | 13:52 |
| jelkner | 117% of my base salary | 13:52 |
| jelkner | next year i will get only 80% | 13:52 |
| jelkner | since i am going part time | 13:52 |
| jelkner | i will not be able to afford to send $800 each month | 13:53 |
| jelkner | so we need to plan for that | 13:53 |
| jelkner | if we work hard, and work smart, we can keep the same level of income, and even raise it | 13:53 |
| jelkner | by having you all begin to do billable work | 13:53 |
| jelkner | anyway, i just wanted to put that out there | 13:53 |
| jelkner | so you know | 13:53 |
| jelkner | we will need to plan | 13:54 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 13:54 |
| fkoikoi | alright | 13:54 |
| fkoikoi | anything else | 13:54 |
| jelkner | not from me | 13:54 |
| fkoikoi | @everyone | 13:54 |
| jelkner | oh i'm on spring break this week | 13:54 |
| jelkner | our next meeting will be tuesday april 2nd | 13:55 |
| janet | yes | 13:55 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, you, spencer and i have to discuss the stipend before then | 13:55 |
| jelkner | let' use email | 13:55 |
| jelkner | since i'll be traveling | 13:55 |
| jelkner | and email is asynchronous | 13:55 |
| janet | alright | 13:56 |
| jelkner | let me know soon how much you all can chip in for the attorney | 13:56 |
| dcammue | making mistake? or you going for a week | 13:56 |
| jelkner | and i'll send the rest | 13:56 |
| fkoikoi | alright jeff | 13:56 |
| dcammue | ? | 13:56 |
| jelkner | yes dcammue, i'm off for a week | 13:56 |
| dcammue | jeff | 13:56 |
| jelkner | no school | 13:56 |
| jelkner | are we finished madam chair? | 13:57 |
| jelkner | wait, did you all recieve my email>? | 13:57 |
| fkoikoi | alright | 13:57 |
| dcammue | we have some to tell you | 13:57 |
| jelkner | the one i sent to the new jetroweb@novawebdevelopment.org? | 13:57 |
| jelkner | did it get through? | 13:58 |
| successful | +1 for me | 13:58 |
| jelkner | great | 13:58 |
| svaye | +1 | 13:58 |
| jelkner | nice | 13:58 |
| mulbah | I saw it | 13:58 |
| jelkner | dcammue, what's up? | 13:58 |
| fkoikoi | +1 | 13:58 |
| dcammue | You saw fkoikoi mail about the sitpend | 13:58 |
| jelkner | that it went missing? | 13:58 |
| jelkner | yes | 13:59 |
| dcammue | okay | 13:59 |
| jelkner | we need to make sure that doesn't happen again | 13:59 |
| jelkner | so you have to tell me if i should send it to the same place | 13:59 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, tell me what to do soon | 13:59 |
| successful | no | 13:59 |
| dcammue | no | 13:59 |
| dcammue | -1 | 13:59 |
| jelkner | then where? | 13:59 |
| successful | fkoikoi will give you his number | 14:00 |
| successful | *her | 14:00 |
| dcammue | we decided to fkoikoi | 14:00 |
| mulbah | no | 14:00 |
| jelkner | perfect | 14:00 |
| mulbah | -1 | 14:00 |
| gabriel_ | -1 | 14:00 |
| janet | -1 | 14:00 |
| svaye | -1 | 14:00 |
| jelkner | now i don't know what you are saying? | 14:00 |
| jelkner | democracy is messy | 14:01 |
| jelkner | you all need to decide | 14:01 |
| dcammue | they are making you confuse jelkner | 14:01 |
| jelkner | but i want fkoikoi and scooper to tell me what to do | 14:01 |
| jelkner | *after* you all decide | 14:01 |
| jelkner | sound good? | 14:01 |
| dcammue | we mean fkoikoi | 14:01 |
| dcammue | should received the money | 14:01 |
| jelkner | i think that is a wonderful idea | 14:02 |
| jelkner | but keep two things in mind | 14:02 |
| dcammue | yes | 14:02 |
| jelkner | i can easily communicate with scooper now | 14:02 |
| jelkner | i need to setup the same thing with fkoikoi | 14:02 |
| jelkner | i will bring her a phone in august | 14:02 |
| jelkner | but for now, she doesn't have Telegram | 14:02 |
| jelkner | so i can't call her | 14:02 |
| successful | she will email you her number | 14:02 |
| successful | anytime from now | 14:03 |
| jelkner | perfect | 14:03 |
| jelkner | git right on it, fkoikoi | 14:03 |
| dcammue | she hasit | 14:03 |
| jelkner | we use remitly | 14:03 |
| dcammue | she has it | 14:03 |
| jelkner | to send the money | 14:03 |
| jelkner | i should send two payments | 14:03 |
| jelkner | a small one first | 14:03 |
| jelkner | so we know it works | 14:03 |
| jelkner | then the rest | 14:03 |
| dcammue | yes | 14:03 |
| jelkner | great | 14:03 |
| fkoikoi | yes | 14:04 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, i will look for your email | 14:04 |
| jelkner | so we can do that soon | 14:04 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 14:04 |
| jelkner | alright everyone, great meeting! | 14:04 |
| jelkner | enjoy the rest of your weekend | 14:04 |
| dcammue | okay | 14:05 |
| fkoikoi | sure jeff | 14:05 |
| dcammue | You too | 14:05 |
| fkoikoi | have a nice day | 14:05 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 14:05 |
| gabriel_ | jeff can i add you on telegram | 14:05 |
| jelkner | sure gabriel_ | 14:05 |
| jelkner | i would like to add all of you | 14:05 |
| gabriel_ | ok can you send it here | 14:05 |
| jelkner | my number? | 14:05 |
| jelkner | +1-240-406-2906 | 14:06 |
| gabriel_ | mine is +231 888 83 29 53 | 14:06 |
| jelkner | okie dokie | 14:06 |
| jelkner | talk to you soon... | 14:06 |
| jelkner | ACTION really signs off this time ;-) | 14:07 |
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