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freena | Good morning dcammue and scooper | 10:51 |
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scooper | Goo morning freena and dcammue | 10:51 |
dcammue | Good morning freena | 10:53 |
scooper | Daniel | 10:54 |
scooper | please check your private mail | 10:54 |
freena | How are you?? | 10:54 |
dcammue | Gmail or novaweb mail | 11:03 |
dcammue | It seems like Jeff is not in the note this this meeting right? | 11:15 |
scooper | He is | 11:16 |
scooper | I think the time zoom had change again | 11:17 |
scooper | let see up to 12:00 | 11:17 |
scooper | if he doesn't turn up after 12 | 11:17 |
scooper | You all Freena could do a mail to him | 11:17 |
dcammue | Okay | 11:18 |
freena | Okay | 11:18 |
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freena | dcammue: | 12:27 |
dcammue | Yes | 12:37 |
dcammue | Yes freena | 12:38 |
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jelkner | Good afternoon dcammue and freena | 12:55 |
dcammue | Oh oh long long awaiting we have been today | 12:56 |
dcammue | Good morning Jeff | 12:57 |
jelkner | There we go. | 12:57 |
dcammue | Yeah | 12:58 |
jelkner | I'm off from work today, and we have visitors, so I gog a late start. | 12:58 |
freena | Good morning jelkner | 12:58 |
jelkner | Best protocol is to email the day before with a meeting time. | 12:58 |
jelkner | Good morning freena | 12:58 |
jelkner | Or good afternoon there ;-) | 12:58 |
freena | I'm so sorry jelkner | 12:58 |
jelkner | Let's just figure out how to move forward. | 12:59 |
dcammue | We guess the time zone change again right? | 12:59 |
jelkner | I'm going to make the bank transfer today. | 12:59 |
jelkner | Yes, it is 8 am here now. | 12:59 |
scooper | Good day everyone | 12:59 |
jelkner | Good day scooper | 12:59 |
jelkner | Great to see you all here! | 12:59 |
jelkner | So something occurred to me that makes things a little easier. | 13:00 |
scooper | You did not informed us in the change of time jelkner | 13:00 |
jelkner | I did, scooper | 13:00 |
scooper | -1 you did not | 13:00 |
scooper | is ok | 13:00 |
jelkner | The time did not change again, scooper | 13:02 |
jelkner | It changed in October | 13:02 |
jelkner | I emailed then | 13:02 |
jelkner | Anyway, it is 5 hours different now | 13:02 |
scooper | And I did replied to your email | 13:02 |
jelkner | And will remain that way until Spring | 13:02 |
scooper | you are later and much be fined my friend | 13:03 |
scooper | hahaha | 13:03 |
jelkner | LOL | 13:03 |
jelkner | Anyway, let's get going, we have much to do | 13:03 |
jelkner | I feel very strongly that you need and office now | 13:03 |
jelkner | There needs to be one place that: | 13:04 |
jelkner | 1. Is accessible to all coop members | 13:04 |
jelkner | 2. Has a generator | 13:04 |
jelkner | 3. Has reliable and fast network | 13:04 |
jelkner | I was thinking we had to figure that out before I sent the stipend, but now I realize that isn't true | 13:04 |
jelkner | We just have to figure it out by the time Mr. Zawolo leaves for Liberia | 13:05 |
jelkner | Since he can bring that with him. | 13:05 |
jelkner | And soon thereafter, we need to get into a routine where there is almost always someone from the coop ready to handle communications | 13:06 |
jelkner | So maybe you can update me on who is doing what? | 13:07 |
jelkner | dcammue, what are you and Shallon doing? | 13:07 |
dcammue | Figure what out Jeff, and what Zawolo can bring with him? | 13:07 |
jelkner | The payment for the office lease! | 13:08 |
dcammue | For now, we have nothing doing | 13:08 |
dcammue | Okay | 13:08 |
jelkner | Well if you don't change that, my dear friend, you don't have a business | 13:09 |
scooper | jelkner, | 13:09 |
jelkner | So you best get something doing! | 13:09 |
scooper | can we start with the Rural Clean Cooking Project now??? | 13:09 |
jelkner | scooper, i want to resolve this office issue | 13:10 |
jelkner | since i am convinced that without a place to work, it isn't useful trying to work with jetro on a projecdt | 13:10 |
jelkner | communication is too slow and unreliable | 13:10 |
freena | When will Mr. Zawolo be in Liberia?? | 13:10 |
scooper | Whether office issue is resolve or not we need to starting getting use to working remotely..... | 13:10 |
jelkner | and you can't get work done | 13:10 |
scooper | when will Mr. Zawolo come to liberia | 13:11 |
scooper | ?? | 13:11 |
jelkner | freena, our last day before winter break is 12/20 | 13:11 |
dcammue | Is it the first week Mr. Zawolo will be coming? | 13:11 |
jelkner | freena, it would be so wonderful if you would email him (and cc me) to start making plans | 13:12 |
scooper | That mean Mr. Zawolo will be in liberia | 13:12 |
scooper | after the Christmas right?? | 13:12 |
jelkner | during the Christmas break | 13:12 |
freena | Alright jelkner, I will do that today | 13:12 |
jelkner | before Christmas until after New Years | 13:12 |
jelkner | thanks, freena! | 13:12 |
jelkner | dcammue, i am waiting for an answer to my question | 13:13 |
freena | +1 | 13:13 |
dcammue | +1 | 13:13 |
scooper | +1 | 13:13 |
jelkner | scooper, freena, dcammue, i am glad you are all here | 13:14 |
jelkner | i am asking (demanding, actually), more accountability from everyone | 13:14 |
jelkner | tboimah and gwashington have done everything we agreed | 13:15 |
jelkner | and dcammue and svaye did during term 1 | 13:15 |
jelkner | but they are off now, so we need to talk about what they will do to earn their stipend now | 13:15 |
jelkner | and we can use this as a good opportunity | 13:15 |
jelkner | dcammue, you and svaye are studying business | 13:16 |
dcammue | +1 | 13:16 |
jelkner | the reason for studying business is to learn how to work in and possibly run a business | 13:16 |
jelkner | well, my friend, you are SO LUCKY | 13:16 |
jelkner | you have a business to learn to run! | 13:16 |
jelkner | i want you to start doing that | 13:16 |
dcammue | Okay | 13:17 |
jelkner | svaye is not here very much | 13:17 |
jelkner | and janet is almost never here | 13:17 |
jelkner | i here good things from luis about his work with mulbah | 13:17 |
jelkner | jetro won't succeed unless *everyone* does their part | 13:18 |
jelkner | so, dcammue, what is your plan? | 13:18 |
jelkner | lol, bad spelling | 13:19 |
jelkner | i hear good things... | 13:19 |
dcammue | For now, I need 150 USD to register the business first before going about doing anything else | 13:19 |
jelkner | well why didn't you bring that up then? | 13:20 |
freena | About that jelkner | 13:20 |
jelkner | scooper used to do a good job putting the monthly budget in a markdown file | 13:21 |
jelkner | jetro is now a may first member | 13:21 |
dcammue | We can not do business in Liberia if it not register | 13:21 |
jelkner | yes and no, dcammue | 13:21 |
jelkner | you definitely want to get registered | 13:21 |
dcammue | +1 | 13:22 |
jelkner | to conduct "legal" business you need to | 13:22 |
jelkner | but you can do work and bill SJC for it now | 13:22 |
jelkner | whether you are "legal" or not | 13:22 |
jelkner | i have some many things i want to hire you to do | 13:22 |
jelkner | i'm waiting for you to become organized enough so that you can: | 13:23 |
dcammue | OKAY, so here is the other issue office space | 13:23 |
jelkner | 1. Agree to a deliverable | 13:23 |
jelkner | 2. Do the work to deliver it | 13:23 |
jelkner | 3. Bill for it | 13:23 |
jelkner | *THAT*, dcammue, is what i mean by "doing business"! | 13:23 |
scooper | Jeff, | 13:23 |
scooper | Like take for example | 13:23 |
dcammue | When everyone is to their respective homes, we con not work together as compare to when we are together | 13:24 |
scooper | If we successful complete the Rural Cooking Stove project | 13:24 |
jelkner | why do you think i keep insisting on an office??!!!!! | 13:24 |
scooper | will it be consider a billable work?? | 13:24 |
scooper | It will help us all gather one place | 13:24 |
scooper | and work together effectively | 13:25 |
jelkner | scooper, the beef i have with this conversation now is that i feel you keep trying to take short cuts | 13:25 |
jelkner | instead of doing the real work that needs to be done | 13:25 |
jelkner | let me say this | 13:25 |
scooper | What is needed to be done Jeff | 13:25 |
jelkner | if you do it together in your office, then yes, it is billable work | 13:25 |
scooper | ??? | 13:25 |
jelkner | scooper, to accomplish a task | 13:26 |
jelkner | you need to learn to make a plan | 13:26 |
jelkner | a plan of work | 13:26 |
jelkner | a plan of work will have many steps | 13:26 |
jelkner | some steps can be done at the same time, some steps require the prior completion of previous steps | 13:26 |
jelkner | that's what a plan is all about | 13:27 |
jelkner | dcammue just raised the concern that i have been having for a long time | 13:27 |
scooper | I understand Jeff. Unit the office space is available can we use the same medium to accomplish a given task?? | 13:27 |
jelkner | you can't work effectively without a place to work | 13:27 |
jelkner | yes | 13:27 |
jelkner | once you have a space | 13:27 |
jelkner | and i start to expect that jetro members will be there often | 13:28 |
jelkner | can set up meeting throughout the week (not just saturday) | 13:28 |
jelkner | THEN, i can work with you on billable web work | 13:28 |
jelkner | we need to get to that point soon | 13:28 |
jelkner | it is what is holding jetro back | 13:28 |
dcammue | Yes | 13:28 |
freena | +1 | 13:29 |
dcammue | Actually | 13:29 |
jelkner | So, here is another thing, young business manager | 13:29 |
jelkner | HR | 13:29 |
scooper | +1 | 13:29 |
jelkner | what is HR, dcammue? | 13:29 |
jelkner | since you didn't answer right away, i'll tell you | 13:29 |
jelkner | Human Resources | 13:30 |
freena | Human Resource | 13:30 |
jelkner | +1 freena | 13:30 |
jelkner | you are a coop of 8 | 13:30 |
dcammue | HR is someone who check his or her subordinates or employees attendance | 13:30 |
jelkner | not really | 13:30 |
jelkner | coops are democratic organizations | 13:30 |
jelkner | we will be having lots of conversations in the future about that | 13:31 |
jelkner | dcammue, when you study business, you will be in a learning environment that assumes the private, top down enterprise | 13:31 |
jelkner | that's what gives me so much of a headache when i am studying ;-) | 13:32 |
jelkner | i don't want to create unequal, oppressive, top-down enterprises | 13:32 |
jelkner | i believe all people are equal under heaven | 13:32 |
jelkner | and that all humans have dignity | 13:33 |
jelkner | no one should steal the humanity of another | 13:33 |
jelkner | anyway... | 13:33 |
jelkner | democratic or not | 13:33 |
jelkner | we have humans, who do things | 13:33 |
jelkner | those are our human resources | 13:33 |
jelkner | we need to plan | 13:34 |
jelkner | to use our human resources effectively | 13:34 |
jelkner | when jetro takes on a task, like the Clean Cooking Stove | 13:34 |
jelkner | who will do it? | 13:34 |
scooper | Base on the user story | 13:35 |
jelkner | who will be responsible for arranging customer meetings | 13:35 |
jelkner | ? | 13:35 |
jelkner | where the user stories scooper just mentioned will be created? | 13:35 |
scooper | sorry thought it was a question | 13:35 |
freena | The business manager | 13:35 |
jelkner | then who will implement those stories? | 13:35 |
jelkner | i think ideally a pair of programmers would be best | 13:36 |
scooper | programmer | 13:36 |
jelkner | that helps build the team, and if one of the pari is sick, or has a family emergency, or an aunt's wedding | 13:36 |
jelkner | the other one can still keep the work moving | 13:36 |
jelkner | in fact, agile teams are even more flexible than that | 13:36 |
freena | That's right | 13:37 |
jelkner | the ideal is that any developer should be able to work on the project at any time | 13:37 |
jelkner | that isn't totally realisitic, imho | 13:37 |
jelkner | but it's a good thing to strive for | 13:37 |
jelkner | so freena, we agreed when i was there last summer that you would play a lead role in helping coordinate the team | 13:38 |
jelkner | NOVA Web has this issue too | 13:38 |
jelkner | we don't even have our infrastructure in place | 13:38 |
jelkner | now that we are both May First members | 13:38 |
jelkner | another one of our key tasks is getting to know how to use that infrastructure effectively | 13:39 |
jelkner | so here is a task, scooper: | 13:39 |
jelkner | Set up email for Jetro Web Development | 13:39 |
jelkner | freena, i don't know how you want this process to work | 13:40 |
jelkner | but i am hoping you all will figure it out | 13:40 |
jelkner | and then you will tell me | 13:40 |
jelkner | i keep sending out these long emails | 13:40 |
jelkner | with lots of things that need to be done | 13:40 |
jelkner | most of them just get lost | 13:40 |
jelkner | no even remembers them | 13:40 |
jelkner | until i get frustrated and write another email complaining :-( | 13:41 |
jelkner | that's a bad way to do things | 13:41 |
jelkner | bad on my part | 13:41 |
jelkner | bad on jetro's | 13:41 |
jelkner | we need to do better | 13:41 |
jelkner | we need a process where (and I am repeating myself again, and again): | 13:41 |
jelkner | 1. A deliverable is agreed on. | 13:42 |
freena | Are you talking about being more effective in responding to mails jelkner ?? | 13:42 |
dcammue | Well not where jeff | 13:42 |
jelkner | 2. Jetro manages the work and delivers | 13:42 |
jelkner | 3. Jetro bills for work completed | 13:42 |
jelkner | freena, responding to emails is certainly important | 13:42 |
jelkner | but i'm talking about the whole process of "doing business" | 13:43 |
jelkner | brb, i need a quick break | 13:43 |
freena | Alright | 13:43 |
jelkner | i'm back | 13:45 |
dcammue | OKAY | 13:45 |
jelkner | so of all the tasks we have before us, i think these 3 need to happen soon: | 13:46 |
jelkner | 1. Finish registering Jetro as a business | 13:46 |
jelkner | 2. Set up email for the business through May First | 13:47 |
jelkner | 3. Get a place to work (an office) | 13:47 |
jelkner | 1. has to be done before 3 i guess | 13:47 |
jelkner | if the business will be renting the space | 13:47 |
jelkner | i don't know how the law works around that | 13:48 |
jelkner | nothing is blocking 2 | 13:48 |
jelkner | so that can move forward now | 13:48 |
jelkner | freena, it is not fair to ask tboimah to do everything | 13:48 |
jelkner | he wrote a wonderful letter to may first | 13:48 |
jelkner | i got the invoice, and sjc paid it | 13:49 |
jelkner | you should be members in good standing now | 13:49 |
jelkner | someone other than tboimah should take this up now | 13:49 |
jelkner | who? | 13:49 |
jelkner | like i said, what are janet and svaye doing? | 13:49 |
dcammue | Tboimah told me that he will work on it on Saturday | 13:49 |
freena | You mean being a member of may first?? | 13:50 |
dcammue | Because he will be free that time. | 13:50 |
jelkner | freena, you are a member | 13:50 |
jelkner | i mean learning to use the infrastructure that membership provides: | 13:50 |
jelkner | 1. email hosting | 13:50 |
jelkner | 2. web hosting | 13:50 |
jelkner | 3. next cloud calendaring and file storage | 13:51 |
jelkner | jetro should learn to use all these | 13:51 |
jelkner | SOON!!!! | 13:51 |
jelkner | SJC can hire jetro to help us do that too | 13:51 |
jelkner | if you learn to do it | 13:51 |
freena | Alright but are there any sources to that or you just need to figure it out | 13:52 |
jelkner | using the Next Cloud calendar and ToDo list | 13:52 |
jelkner | could be a great way for you to start getting more organized | 13:52 |
jelkner | the calendar can have meetings and due dates | 13:52 |
jelkner | for jetro | 13:52 |
jelkner | freena, great question | 13:53 |
jelkner | what is the first thing a web developer does when she needs to find out about something? | 13:53 |
jelkner | where does she look, in other words? | 13:53 |
scooper | google it | 13:53 |
jelkner | i hate to use that term | 13:53 |
freena | Make research | 13:53 |
jelkner | since i hate google, but yes, you are both right ;-) | 13:54 |
jelkner | let's give it a try | 13:54 |
jelkner | freena, scooper see if one of you can paste a nice URL here about where to go to get help learning to use May First membership services | 13:54 |
freena | Okay | 13:54 |
freena | https://help.mayfirst.org/en/explain/navigating-the-may-first-control-panel | 13:57 |
jelkner | nice work freena! | 13:58 |
jelkner | i just want to say i really love working with may first | 13:58 |
scooper | https://help.mayfirst.org/en/home | 13:59 |
jelkner | it is a wonderful group of honest, dedicated people | 13:59 |
jelkner | and skilled | 13:59 |
jelkner | they rock! | 13:59 |
jelkner | and now that we are all members, | 13:59 |
jelkner | they is us! ;-) | 13:59 |
jelkner | you will find you can read the docs | 13:59 |
jelkner | watch the video training sessions they do | 14:00 |
jelkner | and when you get stuck | 14:00 |
jelkner | you can file issue tickets | 14:00 |
jelkner | and get help | 14:00 |
jelkner | i am asking you to start doing that | 14:00 |
freena | Okay | 14:00 |
jelkner | again, freena | 14:00 |
jelkner | there are several of you who could be doing this together | 14:01 |
jelkner | ok, i think that's enough for now | 14:01 |
jelkner | when do we want to meet again? | 14:01 |
jelkner | i can't meet friday | 14:01 |
jelkner | but any other day works | 14:01 |
scooper | Same here too | 14:01 |
freena | Friday is a holiday in Liberia | 14:01 |
dcammue | Jeff one more thing is not clear to me | 14:01 |
scooper | friday is a national holiday in Liberia | 14:02 |
jelkner | yes, dcammue | 14:02 |
jelkner | scooper, let me say one thing about that | 14:02 |
jelkner | once you have an office | 14:02 |
dcammue | So Mr. ZAWOLO will bring the rent money right | 14:02 |
jelkner | just because it is a holiday doesn't mean you *can't* meet | 14:02 |
jelkner | in the future, if you have a customer with a deadline | 14:02 |
dcammue | And how about the 150 USD I need for the registration process | 14:02 |
jelkner | someone (or two) may need to work on a holiday | 14:02 |
scooper | Jeff | 14:03 |
jelkner | Spencer | 14:03 |
scooper | In Liberia holiday I meant for break | 14:03 |
jelkner | i meet on holidays all the time | 14:03 |
jelkner | LoL | 14:03 |
jelkner | just saying... | 14:03 |
scooper | if people work on holiday they get special compensation | 14:03 |
jelkner | LOL | 14:03 |
jelkner | scooper, you're a coop | 14:04 |
jelkner | you are the boss | 14:04 |
jelkner | so you have to get special compensation from yourself ;-) | 14:04 |
scooper | Great | 14:04 |
scooper | Jeff | 14:04 |
jelkner | scooper, just think think about the special compensation i'm getting right now... | 14:04 |
scooper | before you leave I have a quesiton | 14:04 |
scooper | LOL | 14:05 |
jelkner | i'm getting the joy of working with my comrades to do something important! | 14:05 |
jelkner | what's your question | 14:05 |
jelkner | ? | 14:05 |
scooper | If Mr. Zawolo is bring the rent | 14:05 |
scooper | what being of our Stipend??? | 14:05 |
scooper | *become | 14:05 |
jelkner | i'm about to do a wire transfer now | 14:06 |
scooper | could you please thrown some light onit | 14:06 |
scooper | on it | 14:06 |
scooper | Thanks | 14:06 |
jelkner | dcammue, that will answer both your and scooper's question | 14:06 |
jelkner | So, MAKE NOTE OF THIS, freena: | 14:06 |
scooper | It will help us celebrate the christmas in grand style | 14:06 |
freena | Alright | 14:06 |
scooper | Last last before you leave | 14:07 |
jelkner | SJC will wire transfer $2500.00 today | 14:07 |
jelkner | freena, pay attention | 14:07 |
jelkner | here is what SJC wants in return: | 14:07 |
scooper | you have not ask us what is our plan for the place yet | 14:07 |
freena | I'm here jelkner | 14:07 |
jelkner | 1. A report on what *each* member did to earn their stipend, including their goals and tasks for the next two months | 14:07 |
scooper | All Daniel should do it through email?? | 14:07 |
jelkner | 2. A detailed financial summary (using a NextCloud spreadsheet) of what was done with the extra $500 | 14:08 |
jelkner | i already know dcammue says $150 of it will go to business registration | 14:08 |
jelkner | that leaves $350 which could be used for wifi and electricity FOR Jetro work usage | 14:09 |
jelkner | To be successful, SJC will need to provide Jetro what it needs to get things done | 14:09 |
jelkner | but then Jetro needs to GET THINGS DONE! | 14:10 |
jelkner | so freena, my dear worker coop sister | 14:10 |
jelkner | can i count on you to help make that happen? | 14:10 |
freena | Sure jelkner | 14:11 |
jelkner | awesome | 14:11 |
jelkner | ok until saturday then | 14:11 |
jelkner | email in between | 14:11 |
freena | But jelkner | 14:11 |
jelkner | i'll be talking with Tanaka today, btw | 14:11 |
jelkner | i'm calling him in 2 hours | 14:11 |
jelkner | freena? | 14:11 |
dcammue | Thanks jelkner for the clarity and thanks to SJC for their continued support | 14:12 |
jelkner | our pleasure dcammue | 14:12 |
freena | That will be in one report right?? Or everyone should do their report?? | 14:12 |
jelkner | oh yes, freena | 14:12 |
jelkner | i'm asking you to coordinate | 14:12 |
jelkner | not to do the work | 14:12 |
freena | Alright jelkner | 14:12 |
jelkner | coops are all about shared responsibility | 14:12 |
jelkner | but freena, you may need to bug them ;-) | 14:13 |
jelkner | in fact, here is an idea | 14:13 |
jelkner | 1. freena creates a spreadsheet in Jetro's Mayfirst spreadsheet | 14:13 |
jelkner | 2. she, mulbah, dcammue, scooper figure out how to create logins for all your members | 14:14 |
jelkner | 3. you ask each member to login and add a row to the shared spreadsheet | 14:14 |
jelkner | with their goals and tasks | 14:14 |
jelkner | that would be fantastic | 14:14 |
jelkner | since to pull it off, you would have to learn a lot of the skills we want to learn now | 14:15 |
jelkner | just an idea | 14:15 |
jelkner | anyway, i have to go | 14:15 |
jelkner | i've got a lot to do, including a wire transfer | 14:15 |
freena | Sure but can that be done of Saturday jelkner | 14:15 |
jelkner | these things are processes freena | 14:16 |
jelkner | i would make sure you did a lot of the investigation *before* saturday | 14:16 |
jelkner | or else you won't pull it off | 14:16 |
freena | That way everyone will be present and we can do it | 14:16 |
dcammue | jelkner, maybe scooper will email you concerning the office business | 14:16 |
freena | I will jelkner | 14:16 |
freena | I'm just saying that for the logins aspect | 14:17 |
dcammue | He has a little information to pass to you about the place | 14:17 |
freena | But I will do some research and practice before Saturday jelkner | 14:17 |
jelkner | perfect freena | 14:18 |
jelkner | you rock! | 14:18 |
jelkner | see you saturday | 14:18 |
freena | You too jelkner | 14:18 |
dcammue | Check your mail later on | 14:18 |
jelkner | will do dcammue | 14:18 |
dcammue | See you too | 14:18 |
jelkner | ACTION signs off... | 14:18 |
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freena | See you all | 14:20 |
freena | ACTION signing off | 14:21 |
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