| tboimah | Good morning scooper | 11:23 |
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| scooper | Good morning tboimah | 11:23 |
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| tboimah | Good morning jelkner | 12:04 |
| jelkner | Good morning tboimah | 12:17 |
| jelkner | Apologies for the delay | 12:17 |
| jelkner | This is the end of the semester | 12:17 |
| tboimah | NO problem Boss | 12:17 |
| jelkner | and I'm evaluating student final projects | 12:17 |
| jelkner | I got distracted | 12:17 |
| jelkner | Where is dcamue? | 12:17 |
| tboimah | Ahhh okay | 12:17 |
| jelkner | He called this meeting | 12:17 |
| jelkner | and he isn't here! | 12:17 |
| tboimah | Let me give him a call | 12:18 |
| jelkner | Anyway, you and scooper are here | 12:18 |
| jelkner | so the three of us can meet | 12:18 |
| jelkner | perhaps this will be best, since you two are the key players in our #1 issue | 12:18 |
| scooper | good morning once again jelkner and tboimah | 12:18 |
| tboimah | Good morning scooper | 12:18 |
| jelkner | tboimah, scooper, both mr. zawolo and i feel you should take tboimah up on his *very generous* offer to host Jetro until SJC can help you fund a place of your own. | 12:19 |
| jelkner | I don't know why you all didn't do that in the first place. | 12:19 |
| jelkner | Rumor has it you've been the blocker on that scooper | 12:19 |
| jelkner | and we need to figure this out now | 12:19 |
| scooper | we done have problem with it | 12:20 |
| jelkner | ? | 12:20 |
| scooper | but I have a concern here | 12:20 |
| jelkner | i don't understand | 12:20 |
| jelkner | what's your concern my friend? | 12:20 |
| scooper | The team will be meeting tomorrow at thomas place | 12:20 |
| jelkner | excellent | 12:20 |
| jelkner | and saturday? | 12:21 |
| scooper | I wont be able to leave Monrovia three time a week | 12:21 |
| scooper | to get to thomas place | 12:21 |
| jelkner | that's ok | 12:21 |
| jelkner | scooper, you need to think of the coop | 12:21 |
| scooper | but I m assure you are will only be avialable on saturday | 12:21 |
| jelkner | you have another full time job already | 12:21 |
| jelkner | we get that | 12:21 |
| jelkner | it means your flexibility is less | 12:22 |
| scooper | It will cost me a lot of money from transportation Jeff | 12:22 |
| jelkner | in my mind, we will find a place near the university soon | 12:22 |
| jelkner | and mulbah can move there | 12:22 |
| scooper | I done want to start something I will not continue... in short I done want to deceive you | 12:22 |
| jelkner | and anyone else who needs to stay there can stay there when they need to | 12:22 |
| scooper | I told Mr. Zawolo this before | 12:22 |
| jelkner | what are you saying? | 12:22 |
| jelkner | please be clear, or i won't understand | 12:23 |
| scooper | I m saying please understand I wont be able to go to thomas place three time a week | 12:23 |
| scooper | it will cost me a lot of money... | 12:24 |
| scooper | But I m willing to work if we have a group task to do.... | 12:24 |
| jelkner | you don't need to go to thomas's place, scooper | 12:24 |
| jelkner | you already have better access to the web than most of the other coop members | 12:24 |
| jelkner | you can work remotely | 12:25 |
| jelkner | if our plan is to have you work with tboimah and sahnun in any case | 12:25 |
| scooper | perfect... thanks for having some level of consideration | 12:25 |
| scooper | Sahnun | 12:25 |
| jelkner | i promise you that Sahnun won't be able to make to tboimah's place! ;-) | 12:25 |
| scooper | and I m meet most often during the week | 12:25 |
| jelkner | so y'all will have to work remotely. | 12:25 |
| jelkner | scooper, this isn't about any *one* member | 12:26 |
| scooper | thomas can join if he has chance | 12:26 |
| tboimah | Jeff | 12:26 |
| jelkner | it needs to be about the coop | 12:26 |
| jelkner | or you aren't going to make it | 12:26 |
| jelkner | we need to build the capacity of the team | 12:26 |
| tboimah | I think this suggestion you will be problem between | 12:26 |
| tboimah | The team | 12:26 |
| jelkner | so think about each member and what there individual needs are in terms of how they work with the team | 12:26 |
| tboimah | because other team member will want to do the same | 12:27 |
| scooper | Thomas | 12:27 |
| scooper | people need to speak their mind | 12:27 |
| jelkner | tboimah, thanks for raising this concern | 12:27 |
| tboimah | by saying since scooper is work from who they will also want to work from home | 12:27 |
| jelkner | yes, people need to speak their mind! | 12:27 |
| tboimah | *home | 12:27 |
| jelkner | you know i will speak my mind, i always do. | 12:27 |
| scooper | some people will not take.. but deep down they might have issue | 12:27 |
| jelkner | my plan is to continue to racket up SJC's demands | 12:28 |
| tboimah | That's the problem scooper | 12:28 |
| scooper | tboimah, | 12:28 |
| jelkner | if Jetro wants to continue to receiving SJC support | 12:28 |
| scooper | can I ask you a question | 12:28 |
| tboimah | Other team member are also coming from distance | 12:28 |
| jelkner | Jetro will have to meet those gradually increasing demands | 12:28 |
| jelkner | tboimah, let's back up a minute please | 12:28 |
| scooper | if I done turned up during the week how I will you feel about me?? | 12:28 |
| scooper | How long are they going to be commit on coming??? | 12:29 |
| jelkner | scooper, we need to define clearly what "turning up" means. | 12:29 |
| scooper | you should look at it from the angle | 12:29 |
| jelkner | do you understand what i mean? | 12:29 |
| jelkner | tboimah, scooper, what do you think "turning up" means? | 12:30 |
| tboimah | To work together and discuss coop issue | 12:30 |
| tboimah | on how to move forward | 12:30 |
| scooper | which can be done remotely | 12:31 |
| jelkner | sure, but how can we *measure* that? | 12:31 |
| scooper | by the level of work one does | 12:31 |
| jelkner | when i talk to my students about this very important topic | 12:31 |
| jelkner | i emphasize that as a teacher, i am interested in two things: | 12:31 |
| jelkner | 1. process | 12:32 |
| jelkner | 2. product | 12:32 |
| jelkner | in terms of customers and their relationship with Jetro as a business, it is really 2 that matters | 12:32 |
| jelkner | but i know as an educator that without 1, 2 won't be good | 12:32 |
| jelkner | so if we want a better product, we need a better process | 12:32 |
| jelkner | we need to continually think about both | 12:33 |
| jelkner | it's time now to focus on 2, PRODUCT! | 12:33 |
| jelkner | since we have been focusing on process for 2 1/2 years | 12:33 |
| jelkner | i am consciously making that shift in focus | 12:34 |
| jelkner | that is why i am looking for assigned tasks with "deliverable" outcomes | 12:35 |
| jelkner | how many git commits did svaye make on our bookkeeping book this last month? | 12:35 |
| jelkner | i many times did janet and freena log in to our Decidim in the last month? | 12:36 |
| jelkner | how many invoices did tboimah and scooper send out for completed website work? | 12:36 |
| tboimah | jelkner, my point here is, If you are tell scooper to stay home and work other team member will not want to meet at the office, they will also want to stay home and work. That will bring problem that is my point here. | 12:36 |
| tboimah | *telling | 12:37 |
| jelkner | tboimah, are you telling me that you and the other 7 members can not recognize that each of you have somewhat different conditions you need to face? | 12:37 |
| jelkner | scooper works for MCSS | 12:37 |
| tboimah | I understand that | 12:38 |
| jelkner | he has two daughters he needs to raise | 12:38 |
| tboimah | but i can speak for the others | 12:38 |
| jelkner | he is much older than the rest of you | 12:38 |
| jelkner | (Not ancient like me, but older ;-) | 12:38 |
| tboimah | I don't have problem with scooper staying home and work it is fine with me | 12:38 |
| jelkner | each of you will have particular issues to face no matter what we do. | 12:39 |
| tboimah | But i been working with jetro memeber for sometime now i know the way they think | 12:39 |
| jelkner | if you meet at your place tboimah, your transportation costs will be $0 | 12:39 |
| jelkner | but others will have a much higher cost | 12:39 |
| tboimah | jelkner, i am not talking about myself | 12:39 |
| tboimah | I don't have problem with scooper working from home i understand | 12:40 |
| jelkner | scooper, what i don't want to see, however, is nickel and diming (see https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nickel-and-dime) | 12:40 |
| jelkner | if you keep raising little petty concerns about costs, instead of learning financial management and working toward our bigger goals | 12:41 |
| jelkner | we will fail | 12:41 |
| jelkner | i get the feeling that life can be a hustle on the margins | 12:41 |
| scooper | Jeff, I m not play nickel and diming here | 12:42 |
| jelkner | but a successful web coop will need to raise above that | 12:42 |
| scooper | *playing | 12:42 |
| jelkner | i keep asking for a budget | 12:42 |
| scooper | I m not responsible for finance Jeff | 12:42 |
| jelkner | and with svaye and dcamue we will begin working on that | 12:42 |
| jelkner | bookkeeping and a budget | 12:43 |
| scooper | that why I didn't response to your budget request | 12:43 |
| jelkner | tboimah, what we need from everyone is to take ownership of the project | 12:43 |
| jelkner | that means thinking about the goals | 12:43 |
| jelkner | and the deliverables | 12:43 |
| scooper | I have declined from other activities of Jetro especially money matter and focus on what I m interested in | 12:43 |
| scooper | which is frontend | 12:43 |
| jelkner | and working to DELIVER them! | 12:44 |
| jelkner | NOVA Web is struggling with that too. | 12:44 |
| jelkner | I keep telling them that I get SO HAPPY when they send me a bill! ;-) | 12:44 |
| jelkner | because that means they did billable work | 12:44 |
| jelkner | it's when they don't send me a bill i get sad | 12:45 |
| jelkner | why, after months and months and months | 12:45 |
| jelkner | don't we have irc working yet? | 12:45 |
| jelkner | keeps me up at night :-( | 12:45 |
| jelkner | well scooper, like i said, when you can do professional level work that customers are happy to pay for | 12:46 |
| jelkner | you will have arrived my friend | 12:46 |
| jelkner | i'll be talking with sahnun about that whenever we meet | 12:46 |
| jelkner | ok, brb | 12:46 |
| scooper | ok | 12:46 |
| tboimah | Okay | 12:46 |
| scooper | thomas | 12:46 |
| tboimah | scooper, | 12:47 |
| tboimah | jelkner, | 12:47 |
| scooper | when jeff leave let talk privately in the hexchat | 12:47 |
| tboimah | PLease tell sahnu i will need to know the time | 12:47 |
| tboimah | we will be meeting | 12:47 |
| tboimah | I mean scooper , sahnun and Me. | 12:47 |
| scooper | A work like this | 12:48 |
| scooper | Sahnun will give you a task to do | 12:48 |
| scooper | when you are done you email him | 12:48 |
| scooper | they he will review your work and give you feedback | 12:48 |
| scooper | *then | 12:49 |
| tboimah | Have you guys started | 12:49 |
| scooper | +1 | 12:49 |
| tboimah | Hmmm but i don't know about that | 12:50 |
| scooper | I started meeting with Sahnun | 12:50 |
| tboimah | I think i will need to email him | 12:50 |
| scooper | before Jeff | 12:50 |
| scooper | before Jeff assigned you and me to meet with him | 12:50 |
| tboimah | scooper, you said you was wanted for us to talk privately let chat | 12:52 |
| tboimah | I will soon be leaving | 12:52 |
| scooper | check your private msg | 12:52 |
| jelkner | tboimah, ok | 12:52 |
| jelkner | i'm back | 12:52 |
| tboimah | Thanks jelkner | 12:52 |
| jelkner | tboimah, i know the time | 12:53 |
| jelkner | 5:30 to 6:30 pm EST thursdays | 12:53 |
| jelkner | which is 10:30 to 11:30 pm your time | 12:53 |
| jelkner | that's when sahnun comes here | 12:53 |
| jelkner | each week | 12:53 |
| jelkner | and blu and marin are here too | 12:54 |
| jelkner | and tanaka | 12:54 |
| jelkner | you two need to show up then | 12:54 |
| tboimah | OKay my friend | 12:54 |
| jelkner | another time to catch him is in our saturday meetings | 12:55 |
| jelkner | most saturdays i meet with him for breakfast | 12:55 |
| jelkner | and then we meet together on irc | 12:55 |
| jelkner | at 10:30 am EST (3:30 pm your time) | 12:55 |
| jelkner | if we keep those meetings short, why not try to ask him if he can stay around a few minutes after | 12:56 |
| jelkner | remember, he has a full time job | 12:56 |
| jelkner | he's just a volunteer | 12:56 |
| tboimah | OKay | 12:56 |
| jelkner | if you want volunteers to stay around | 12:56 |
| jelkner | you need to respect their time, and give them what they want | 12:56 |
| jelkner | what do volunteers want? | 12:57 |
| jelkner | tboimah, what do you think volunteers want? | 12:57 |
| tboimah | Commiment | 12:58 |
| jelkner | anything else? | 12:58 |
| tboimah | Focus | 12:58 |
| tboimah | Time | 12:58 |
| jelkner | nice, but going back to our early discussion | 12:59 |
| tboimah | Volunteers also want to see you effort | 12:59 |
| jelkner | those are all process things | 12:59 |
| jelkner | they may also want to see product | 12:59 |
| jelkner | i think volunteers want to *feel good* about what they are doing | 12:59 |
| tboimah | Sure | 12:59 |
| jelkner | that's what motivates them to give their time | 12:59 |
| jelkner | so they want to believe that what they are doing *matters* in some way | 13:00 |
| scooper | sure | 13:00 |
| jelkner | so if sahnun sees you become successful, he feels like his time is well spent | 13:00 |
| jelkner | which motivates him to continue | 13:00 |
| jelkner | but you are right, you need to put in time, and focus, and commitment to do that | 13:01 |
| jelkner | cool, this is a good discussion | 13:01 |
| jelkner | ok, i have to go | 13:01 |
| tboimah | Okay jelkner thanks for today | 13:01 |
| jelkner | thank you | 13:01 |
| scooper | thanks jelkner | 13:01 |
| jelkner | sahnun will be here this evening at 5:30 pm my time | 13:01 |
| jelkner | blu and marin will be here earlier (3 pm i hope) | 13:02 |
| jelkner | see if you can show up | 13:02 |
| jelkner | see y'all later | 13:02 |
| scooper | ok jeff | 13:02 |
| jelkner | great chatting with you! | 13:02 |
| tboimah | Okay | 13:02 |
| scooper | same here | 13:02 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off for now... | 13:02 |
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| scoooper | Hi Blu | 21:51 |
| blu_ | hey! | 21:51 |
| blu_ | I just had a quick question about your merge request | 21:51 |
| scoooper | jelkner, said you wanted us to talk | 21:51 |
| scoooper | ok | 21:52 |
| blu_ | first of all, I added a branch protection so everytime you want to merge your branch into main ill have to review it. Other than that, I was wondering if your last request was a "final" version of the about page? | 21:54 |
| scoooper | No it's not a final version of the about page but it's 90 percent completed | 21:55 |
| scoooper | What do you think about this? should I complete the task and come back went I m done?? | 21:58 |
| blu_ | So i see a couple problems with it that make me a bit hesitant to approve it. Specifically you added Ved twice it seems and added Jeffs bio to Dr. Hubbards profile? Also it looks like you got rid of Vrishins profile, Iif you need his bio and photo to complete it i can definitely send it to you | 21:58 |
| scoooper | please give me a minutes let me see what you are taking about | 22:00 |
| Tanaka | Greetings Team | 22:00 |
| scoooper | Hello Tanaka | 22:01 |
| scoooper | blu | 22:01 |
| scoooper | I m having all information position at the right place | 22:02 |
| scoooper | the only thing I did is hide their detail | 22:02 |
| scoooper | that if you want to read more about each member, you just need to click on read more. | 22:03 |
| scoooper | that is the functionality I m working on to display their info when you click on read more... | 22:03 |
| scoooper | Blu | 22:05 |
| scoooper | are you still there?? | 22:05 |
| blu_ | hey! sorry! im submitting a review right now, so that way you can see what I am seeing | 22:06 |
| scoooper | OK | 22:07 |
| blu_ | let me know if you see my comment | 22:08 |
| scoooper | YES | 22:10 |
| scoooper | I saw your comment | 22:10 |
| scoooper | here it is | 22:11 |
| scoooper | You have Ved here twice, Dr. Hubbards bio has Jeffs bio and Vrishin isn't on here anymore. If you can fix these changes first, then ill approve your request! | 22:11 |
| blu_ | perfect, hopefully you can see what I am talking about now | 22:11 |
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| scoooper | OK I m will send you an email tomorrow when I M done | 22:13 |
| scoooper | you done need to send me their information I have already have it | 22:14 |
| blu_ | okay perfect, thank you so much! | 22:14 |
| scoooper | ok thank for coming through | 22:14 |
| scoooper | jelkner, | 22:16 |
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| shmohamud | Do you have a minute to answer some questions? | 22:47 |
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