IRC log of #jetrowebdev for Saturday, 2025-03-15

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svayeGood morning jelkner 13:17
jelknerGood day svaye 13:17
jkollieGreetings everyone 13:17
gabriel_jetroGreetings, jkollie13:17
svayeHi jkollie 13:18
gabriel_jetroHi, svaye13:18
svayeHi gabriel_jetro 13:19
gabrielI'm fine svaye and you13:21
svayeI am good gabriel 13:22
freenaGood morning jelkner 13:24
jelknerbe here soon freena 13:25
thomasboimahHello folks13:27
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freenaAlright 13:28
jelknerjust got off the phone with sahnun13:29
jelknerhe'll be joining us shortly13:29
jelknerved will be here too i think13:29
jelknerved emailed folks about a meeting at 11 am13:29
gabriel+113:30
jelknerbut i called him this morning and said we had agreed on thursday to meet at 9:30 am13:30
jelknergreat, here's devesh13:30
jelknerit's important to pay attention during meetings! ;-)13:30
jelkneri guess our soon to be president of sjc doesn't always do that :-)13:30
deveshSounds good. Ved should be joining soon.13:30
jelknerwho is chairing?13:31
jelknerwell, jetro web?13:31
jelknerthere's Ved 13:32
jelknerok, who's leading this meeting?13:32
VedDevesh?13:32
deveshYes, I can chair. 13:33
jelknergo for it!13:33
shmohamudGood day all - sorry I'm late13:33
jelkner!agenda13:33
Websterss_Agenda for meeting 'GeneralSaturdayMeeting':13:33
devesh!help 13:33
Websterss_Available commands: !add, !agenda, !ask, !createmeeting, !endmeeting, !help, !listmeetings, !remove, !sethost, !startmeeting, !stopmeeting13:33
devesh!startmeeting13:33
Websterss_Invalid arguments.13:33
gabrieljelkner, freena came up with a proposal through email, I think she'll 13:33
devesh!agenda13:33
Websterss_Agenda for meeting 'GeneralSaturdayMeeting':13:33
deveshOkay, let's begin with the first agenda item: Update bookkeepers on their past studies by Daniel and Shallon13:34
thomasboimahThis is the last Saturday meeting agenda13:34
gabrieldevesh, this meeting is in the past from last saturday13:34
thomasboimahgabriel, I think you and mulbah need to work on this13:34
thomasboimahthis is a problem!13:35
devesh!listmeetings13:35
Websterss_đź“… Scheduled meetings:13:35
Websterss_- Meeting ID: 04team_meeting   Time: 032025-10-01 10:00:00   Host: 02mulbah13:35
gabrielthomasboimah, on what?13:35
Websterss_- Meeting ID: 04testing_meeting   Time: 032025-10-01 10:00:00   Host: 02mulbah13:35
mulbahyou have to use the !endmeeting command after the meeting to clear the agenda13:35
mulbah!endmeeting13:35
Websterss_Invalid arguments.13:35
jelknerLOL, this is also a great learning opportunity! ;-)13:35
devesh!endmeeting GeneralSaturdayMeeting13:35
Websterss_âś… Meeting 'GeneralSaturdayMeeting' has been ended and removed.13:35
jelknerit is very tempting to over engineer software13:35
mulbah!endmeeting Saturday13:35
Websterss_âś… Meeting 'Saturday' has been ended and removed.13:35
devesh!startmeeting GeneralSaturdayMeeting13:35
Websterss_No meeting found with ID 'GeneralSaturdayMeeting'.13:35
jelknerperhaps our Websterss_ devs are falling into that trap?13:36
mulbah!agenda13:36
Websterss_No active meeting. Use !startmeeting <ID> to set a meeting as active.13:36
jelknerthe great thing about this project is that we are "dogfooding" it13:36
jelknerso the devs are also the customers13:36
jelknerand we will see together what is working and what is not13:36
jelknerobviously the agenda isn't working now13:36
jelknerand now is no time to fix it13:37
jelknerso, let's move on13:37
gabrieldevesh, you have to use the creating meeting command before starting it..13:37
jelknerdevs, TAKE NOTES!13:37
devesh!createmeeting 13:37
Websterss_Invalid arguments.13:37
jelknerand work on making this better by next week13:37
jelknermake sense?13:37
gabriel+113:37
devesh!createmeeting GeneralSaturdayMeeting13:37
Websterss_âś… Meeting 'GeneralSaturdayMeeting' scheduled for ET 2025-03-15 00:00.13:37
devesh!startmeeting GeneralSaturdayMeeting13:37
Websterss_Meeting 'GeneralSaturdayMeeting' is now active.13:37
devesh!agenda13:37
Websterss_Agenda for meeting 'GeneralSaturdayMeeting' is empty.13:37
deveshDo we have an agenda for this week? 13:37
gabrielnow add agenda13:38
gabrielusing the add command 13:38
jelknercomrades, we are 8 minutes into a 30 minute meeting, and we're still talking about what we're going to talk about13:38
jelknernot so good13:38
jelknergabriel, forget that for now13:38
deveshWhere do I find the items to add?13:38
jelknerand plan better next week13:38
jelknerlet's just move right in13:39
jelkneri have a few things i need to share13:39
jelknershould i just go?13:39
Vedyes13:39
thomasboimahPlease jelkner 13:39
deveshYeah, that would work fine. 13:39
jkolliePlease go ahead jelkner 13:39
jelknerok, first, let's talk about the Jetro payment for end of March13:39
mulbahyou have to crate a meeting13:40
jelkneri want to say now that i am deciding this minute to reduce it by $12513:40
jelkneri haven't seen scooper in a long time13:40
mulbahor if the meeting already exit you start or activate it13:40
jelknerand i don't plan on sending him a payment for this month13:40
mulbahto add an agenda13:40
jelknermulbah, pay attention please13:40
mulbahokay13:40
jelknerdoes everyone understand that?13:40
thomasboimahjelkner, scooper is not feel well13:41
jelknerthomasboimah, i understand13:41
jelknerbut it has been a month13:41
thomasboimahHe is undergoing treatment13:41
jelknerso he's taking the month off13:41
jelkneroh, i'm sorry to hear that13:41
jelknermr. zawolo told me he is still going to mcss13:41
thomasboimahSo I am appealing on behave of him to please consider him13:41
jelknerthomasboimah, i appreciate that13:42
jelknerso let's talk13:42
jelknerthis is a good opportunity to continue this conversation13:42
jelknerwhich will never end13:42
thomasboimahI know that he will badly need that for his treatment13:42
jelknerbut which we need to refine and adapt as we move forward and things change13:42
jelknerall jetro folks, PLEASE hear me13:42
jelkneri can not keep funding this forever!!!!13:43
jelknerso we need to move with all deliberate speed toward making jetro self-funding13:43
jelkneri've been saying that over and over for 6 months or more13:43
jelkneri believe some of you get it13:43
jelknerwhile others maybe not so much13:43
jelknerso the plan is to step up13:44
jelkneri've asked thomasboimah and freena to do that first13:44
jelknerand offered to hire them at $400 per month13:44
jelknerif they deliver, we move forward13:44
VedI agree with Jeff. Even though spencer is sick unfortunately this is not a charity, we are spending A LOT of money to keep jetroweb afloat and we are not getting the output we need13:44
jelknerVed, we love and care for each other13:45
jelknerwe are human beings13:45
jelkneryou all know I HATE capitalism13:45
jelknerbecause capitalism turns people into things13:45
jelknerthings are disposable13:45
jelkneryou can throw them away when you don't need them13:45
jelknerturning people into things leads to horrible consequences13:46
jelknerjust see what is happening now in Palestine, or remember what the Germans did in WWI13:47
jelknerthe world if filled with such things13:47
jelknerhuman being are complex animals13:47
jelknerand we can do terrible things13:47
jelknerlike turn our fellow human being into things13:47
jelkneri want no part of that13:47
jelknerand i'm thrilled to see thomasboimah defending scooper in this situation13:48
jelknerespecially since thomasboimah has shown more than anyone at jetro what we need to do to succeed13:48
jelknerhe takes initiative13:48
jelknerhe works hard13:48
jelknerhe is dedicated13:48
thomasboimahI am just doing what is right jelkner 13:48
jelknerso since he is asking13:48
jelknerand i am funding13:49
jelknerthomasboimah won me over and i will not reduce the transfer this month13:49
jelknerbut remember all13:49
jelknerif you don't step up, it will soon become impossible for me to sustain this13:49
jelknersvaye, i'm really counting on you13:49
jelknerquick update13:50
jelknerSECOSOL is out of funds13:50
jelknerwe have our board meeting tomorrow13:50
jelkneri don't know what the board will decide13:50
jelknerbut i will be raising the possibility that we can't afford a staff position now13:50
jelknerand that we should hire svaye to do the books for SECOSOL13:51
jelknerit turns out it is very expensive to have a staff person13:51
jelkneryou need to withhold payroll taxes13:51
jelknerand do all kinds of reporting13:51
jelknerwe need to focus on our mission13:52
jelknerwhich is to build the solidarity economy13:52
jelknerwith the $20K we get from CCHD13:52
jelknerwe could really push ahead with that in the coming year13:52
jelknerour two co-presidents are going to a three day training at industrial commons next month13:53
jelkneri know you get a lot of information from me13:53
jelknerbut jetro folks, have you looked at industrial commons at all?13:53
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jelknerwell?13:54
gabrielsomewhat13:55
jelknergabriel, good answer13:55
jelknertell me gabriel, what is it?13:55
svayeI didn't read about it but I just researched on it.13:56
gabrielis an economic and industrial concept that refers to the shared resources—such as knowledge, skills, supply chains, infrastructure, and research..13:56
jelknerit is a self described "ecosystem" of economic institutions13:57
jelknerincluding worker coops13:57
jelknercooperative financial institution13:57
jelknerhttps://www.theindustrialcommons.org/13:57
jelknerthere is another one of these rooted in the Latino community not far away13:58
jelknerhttps://www.poderemma.org/home13:58
gabrielyea, i went through their website via the email link you share13:58
jelknerSECOSOL and NOVA Web will be visiting both of these on July 9th13:58
gabrielfor the industrial commons13:59
jelknerthis discussion is part of our educational development13:59
jelknerif we want to create an economy that works for people13:59
jelknerwe need to learn from the real experience of others trying to do the same thing14:00
jelknerok, it's already 1014:00
gabriel+114:00
jelknerbtw, there are efforts like this all over the world14:00
jelknerin India, for example, there are lots of them14:00
jelknerin Latin America, in Spain, in Italy, in Vietnam14:01
shmohamud+114:01
jelknerI want to learn more, and I certainly think you all should, about what is happening in Africa14:01
shmohamudVery inspiring... Easy to forget we're not alone in the struggle.14:01
jelknersince with hard work and a bit of good fortune, you all could be part of that14:02
jelkner+1!14:02
thomasboimah+114:02
gabriel+114:02
shmohamud+114:02
jkollie+114:02
freena+114:02
daniel_+114:02
jelknerso as shmohamud just said, we can take both lessons *and* inspiration from those other efforts14:02
jelkneranyway, svaye, i will be proposing that on Sunday that we hire you to work with me to do the SECOSOL books14:03
mulbah+114:03
jelknerwith Ved and devesh helping teach you how14:03
jelknerSOON!14:03
jelkneryou need to learn quickly14:03
devesh+114:03
jelknersince we've got to get this right14:03
svaye+1 jelkner 14:04
jelknerok, what else do we need to discuss?14:04
freenajelkner: 14:04
freenaDid you receive the mail I sent??14:04
jelkneri haven't been able to check mail today14:05
jelknermy wife has tasks for me14:05
freenaOkay 14:06
jelknerhmmm, freena 14:07
jelkneri'm looking now and don't see it14:07
freenaI sent you a mail yesterday and cc Jetro Web members 14:07
jelknerso what did it say?14:08
freenaThe subject is office space 14:08
thomasboimahjelkner, check you novawebdevelopment.coop14:09
freenaAnd in the mail, a report of the investigation that was done and answers to the questions you ask14:09
thomasboimah*your14:09
shmohamudI sent an email about the same thing this morning.14:09
jelknerwhich address?14:09
jelkneri don't see it14:09
shmohamudjelkner@protonmail.com14:10
shmohamudno urgency in my message - just a question.14:10
jelknerah14:10
jelkneranyway, freena 14:10
jelknerwhile we have everyone here14:10
jelknercan we chat about that?14:10
freena+114:11
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jelknershmohamud, i see your email14:12
jelknerhi klarios 14:12
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jelknerthanks for joining us14:12
klarioshello all! 14:12
jelknertake a look at the logs14:12
fkoikoijelkner 14:12
jelknerwe've had a very interesting conversation14:12
shmohamud+114:12
klarioswill do jelkner 14:13
jelknershmohamud, so glad you asked the question "How is Jetro going to be funded?"14:13
jelknerJetro is a business14:13
jelknerit will be "funded" by doing work and billing for it14:13
jelknerit's "secret to success" if you will, is that it is partnered with a business in the U.S.14:14
jelknerso that it can be a subcontractor for NOVA Web14:14
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jelknerthat allows it to expand its customer base in a HUGE way14:15
jelknerNOVA Web takes on the responsibility of managing customer demands14:15
shmohamudOk, are we going to purchase the office space before Jetro begins generating revenue? In that case, I assume it will be coming as a donation.14:15
shmohamudI understand that's the long term vision which is not far off, but I'm thinking short-term funding of stuff.14:15
jelknershmohamud, jelkner and zawolo will be contributing to that through SJC14:16
jelkneryou're thinking exactly where you need to be!!!14:16
jelknersince the current funding model is not sustainable14:16
shmohamudOk, let me know if I can be of help there. Would be happy to contribute.14:16
jelknerremember, SJC is a 501c314:16
jelknerso your contributions are tax deductible14:17
shmohamudAh, even better.14:17
jelknerbasically, that's the history of SJC14:17
jelknerit was really created so jelkner could deduct his contributions from his taxes ;-)14:17
jelknerbut now it is expanding beyond that14:18
jelknerso mr. zawolo tells me that they should be able to get an apartment in the area we are looking for around $150 per month14:18
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jelknerthat is way this is possible, shmohamud 14:18
jelknersince the cost is *so* much lower there14:19
jelknerhere in arlington, jetro folks, you couldn't get even a tiny apartment for less than $1500 per month14:19
shmohamudGot it, that's a great price. I did some googling of the area and the prices were much higher than that but I think I was looking at a narrow set of listings...14:19
jelkner10 times what we are looking to pay there14:19
jelknerthey already have a generator14:20
jelknerthe reason it is so important to get the office14:20
fkoikoijelkner14:20
jelkneris that without solid connectivity, you can't run an IT business14:20
jelknerfkoikoi, 14:20
fkoikoishould i paste what's in the mail here instead??14:20
jelkner+114:20
fkoikoialright 14:21
fkoikoiGood day Jelkner14:21
fkoikoiI did some investigation about the office space and I for vacant places around FDA, and Bernard’s Farm for now. These places are not far from the university,14:21
fkoikoiYou ask a question about the distance from the University to Monrovia. Fendell University is located in Liberia, outside of Monrovia, specifically in Louisiana. It is a bit far from and according to research, it’s about 14 miles northeast of Monrovia.14:22
fkoikoiThe office spaces that we found around the area mentioned above prices include:14:22
fkoikoi1. The one in FDA is a three bedrooms apartment which cost $150USD14:22
fkoikoi2: Barnard’s Farm is two bedroom apartment which costs $140USD.14:22
fkoikoiAn apartment was found in Louisiana but I did put it on the list because the owner has not yet confirmed whether it’s vacant or not.14:22
fkoikoiThese are the investigations that were carry out for now.14:23
jelknerawesome, fkoikoi 14:23
fkoikoiThanks14:23
jelknerthat aligns with what mr. zawolo told me14:23
jelknersuper!14:23
jelknerfkoikoi, mulbah, jkollie, daniel_, thomasboimah, gabriel, svaye 14:23
jelkneryou should plan a trip together to visit14:24
jelknerwe can talk about how to budget for it14:24
thomasboimahSure! jelkner I am not far from the place fkoikoi mention14:24
fkoikoiI place the photos in NextCloud but it's not reading so i'm trying to get it in github instead14:24
jelkner8 of you can hire a single minibus to take you there14:24
jkollie+114:24
klariosNo worries Fkoikoi, The pictures are on nextcloud and decidim 14:24
jelknerfkoikoi, let's learn to use Nextcloud14:25
klariosbut they are not yet labeled 14:25
jelknerklarios, it would be great if you can help fkoikoi with that14:25
fkoikoialright klarios and jelkner14:25
jelknerok, anything else?14:25
jelknerwe need to get working14:25
jelknergood work fkoikoi 14:26
klariosOf course. johan and I will help with the sorting we only need the information 14:26
jelknerfkoikoi, please organize that day trip with the rest of the group14:26
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klariosfkoikoi already gave us some details ;)14:26
jelkneryou should all go there together14:26
fkoikoiokay jelkner14:26
jelknerso you get a feel for the place and can discuss what it would be like to be setting up a business there14:27
fkoikoi+114:27
jelkneri'll talk to mr. zawolo on monday14:27
jelknergreat14:27
fkoikoiklarios14:28
thomasboimahONe more thing jelkner 14:28
jelknergo for it thomasboimah 14:28
thomasboimahWho will be chairing next Saturday meeting14:28
thomasboimah?14:28
klariosYes fkoikoi14:28
jelknergreat question14:28
jelknerwe want everyone to learn to chair14:29
jelknerbut i have a proposal14:29
jelknerready?14:29
jelknerfor the next several months14:29
klarios+114:29
fkoikoiI'm sorry for not showing up on Monday klarios, I got confused with the time and when there by 2:00pm my time instead of 3:0014:29
jelknerthomasboimah and fkoikoi take turns chairing14:30
fkoikoican you reschedule please, klarios??14:30
jelknerconsider it part of the added duty for the extra income you're now getting14:30
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klariosNo worries fkoikoi, I was not able to message you since we changed mails. I’m glad you could meet with johan, if you can’t meet with me, johan is more available. Let’s update on our tasks this monday 14:30
jelknerbecause it is the role of the chair not only to lead the meeting14:30
fkoikoiokay jelkner 14:31
jelknerbut to plan for the meeting14:31
thomasboimahoKAY14:31
jelknerso whose turn is next week?14:31
jelknerthomasboimah or fkoikoi?14:31
thomasboimahthomasboimah, 14:31
fkoikoiokay klarios14:31
jelknerperfect14:31
fkoikoisame time right klarios??14:32
klariosWe can meet at 3 my time on monday to include johan 14:32
fkoikoithomasboimah14:32
jelknereveryone saw the transfer budget, yes?14:32
jelknerhttps://codeberg.org/jelkner/SolidarityEconomyNotes/src/commit/7ff75b8db69d2156625cc51921c06b4bfdd46afe/SocialJusticeComputing/JetroWeb/April2025transferBudget.md14:32
fkoikoi+114:32
jelkneroops, here's a better url:14:33
jelknerhttps://codeberg.org/jelkner/SolidarityEconomyNotes/src/branch/main/SocialJusticeComputing/JetroWeb/April2025transferBudget.md14:33
klariosgreat! we will be adding our updates on the accountability module as well fkoikoi14:33
fkoikoisure, let me check what time it will be for me klarios but we can meet that time 14:33
jelknerklarios, our meeting april 1 with octree will be really important14:33
shmohamud+114:33
jelknerand you and i can talk to tony tomorrow morning about our decidim strategy14:33
fkoikoiguys jelkner is asking everyone14:34
jelknerno fkoikoi 14:34
jelknerthat was directed at klarios 14:34
jelknersorry14:34
svaye+114:34
klariosgreat! we’re moving forward jelkner14:34
jelknerok, everyone, this is great!14:34
jelknerthanks for all your dedication and hard work14:34
jelknerit is truly a joy to work with Jetro Web!14:34
klariosThank you for the motivation jelkner! 14:35
jelknerok all, see you thursday14:35
thomasboimahThank you too jelkner for your mentor and support14:35
jelkneri'm going to fix my wife's watch, so she doesn't kick me out of the house ;-)14:35
shmohamudTake care all, keep up the good work :)14:35
jelknerACTION signs off14:35
svayeHave a wonderful day jelkner 14:35
klariosbye all thank you for having me today as well14:35
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gabrielokay, jelkner and you'll, i'm bout to go my computer is power-downing 14:36
fkoikoihave a great day klarios 14:36
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klariosthank you fkoikoi see you on monday14:36
fkoikoiand see you on Monday @3:00pm14:36
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scoopergoof afternoon shmohamud AND daniel_ 15:33
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