| johan_f | hello gabriel_jetro_ | 00:00 |
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| gabriel_jetro_ | How're you johan_f | 00:00 |
| gabriel_jetro_ | Was about to remind you on telegram, hahaha | 00:01 |
| johan_f | I'm doing well | 00:02 |
| gabriel_jetro_ | Good to hear, so let's proceed | 00:02 |
| johan_f | +1 | 00:03 |
| gabriel_jetro_ | I'm little bit confuse how we gonna go about with the assignment | 00:03 |
| johan_f | what's the confusion | 00:03 |
| gabriel_jetro_ | The presentation | 00:04 |
| johan_f | the presentation? | 00:05 |
| gabriel_jetro_ | Yes, how're we going about with it? | 00:08 |
| johan_f | our assignment is: Use the two resources provided above to give yourself a crash course in Ruby. The, working with your partner, begin to implement a Card class in Ruby. | 00:08 |
| gabriel_jetro_ | Thomas was asking me if we were going to push it to GitHub but I told him I don't know | 00:08 |
| johan_f | this right now is the page where our assignment is: https://ict.gctaa.net/sections/csc223/goals/week08.html | 00:10 |
| johan_f | It doesn't mention a presentation | 00:11 |
| johan_f | sometimes we do have presentations and if we were to have them then the work would be in github and I would probably present alone | 00:11 |
| gabriel_jetro_ | Yes, I saw it | 00:12 |
| gabriel_jetro_ | Okay | 00:12 |
| johan_f | can i ask what made you think we were doing a presentation? | 00:13 |
| gabriel_jetro_ | Sure, like I said Thomas did phone me like 3hrs ago asking me but I was little bit confused so I told him I'mma reach it out to you since he said ved wasn't responding to his meet's. | 00:16 |
| johan_f | alright | 00:16 |
| gabriel_jetro_ | Electricity is here now 😁 | 00:17 |
| gabriel_jetro_ | Let me put my computer on in a minute | 00:17 |
| johan_f | okay | 00:17 |
| johan_f | So generally if we have an assignment due next class it usually is able to be done in class time + an hour and thirty minutes of homework (total of 3hrs). | 00:18 |
| johan_f | also all the specific assignments are under here: https://ict.gctaa.net/sections/csc223/goals/index.html | 00:18 |
| johan_f | If there's an expectation of a presentation usually its a project so we would be given about a week | 00:19 |
| johan_f | for now jeff wants us to simply begin to implement the card class in ruby | 00:20 |
| gabriel_jetro_ | Okay | 00:20 |
| johan_f | so for now I think we should aim to try to adapt all of chapter 12 or at least a big portion of it https://openbookproject.net/thinkcs/cpp/ch12.html | 00:21 |
| gabriel_jetro | okay... | 00:22 |
| gabriel_jetro | Is this ruby or C++ sheet? | 00:23 |
| johan_f | so all of the card chapters were built using C++ | 00:24 |
| johan_f | the idea is that we can write this into ruby | 00:24 |
| gabriel_jetro | okay | 00:24 |
| johan_f | if we aren't able to progress much it is also fine as long as we have a lot of git commits showing that we worked for around an hour and 30 minutes | 00:25 |
| gabriel_jetro | okay, so let's get to the lesson, are we gonna read and tell what we learned from what we read? | 00:27 |
| gabriel_jetro | So I can start going through the page.. | 00:28 |
| johan_f | yes we can all start | 00:28 |
| johan_f | You could write what we learned here or also place it into a markdown file I think both would work | 00:29 |
| johan_f | I started a bit already so I have some exercises that I did in my repo | 00:29 |
| johan_f | https://github.com/johan-franco/csc223 | 00:31 |
| gabriel_jetro | What chapter should i begin with and where should i stop to get on track with you? | 00:33 |
| gabriel_jetro | sorry for asking but wanna know tho | 00:33 |
| johan_f | are you talking about Odin or the C++ book? | 00:33 |
| johan_f | By went ahead I meant the Odin project | 00:33 |
| johan_f | https://www.theodinproject.com/ | 00:35 |
| johan_f | I went through the lessons they had on there about ruby to familiarize myself and try som exercises they had | 00:35 |
| gabriel_jetro | I don't know what you're reading, but I'm talking about what we're doing as a team so I can't be left behind, I want to get on the same road you start with. | 00:36 |
| johan_f | So the two resources that Jeff mentioned to use to adapt Cards into ruby were the odin project and this cheatsheet https://github.com/ThibaultJanBeyer/cheatsheets/blob/master/Ruby-Cheatsheet.md | 00:37 |
| gabriel_jetro | okay | 00:38 |
| johan_f | I tried to look at the cheatsheet but I realized I needed more information to internalize the differences so I went to the Odin resource that was a lot longer but with more information that helped me | 00:39 |
| gabriel_jetro | Okay, I'll go with what you think best man, because we're team now, so I'll go through with the Odin resources. | 00:40 |
| johan_f | okay | 00:42 |
| johan_f | Ah I think I forgot to save your repo can you send it to again? | 00:44 |
| gabriel_jetro | Okay, let me just follow you or send request | 00:47 |
| gabriel_jetro | I just did follow your repo, did you see it? | 00:48 |
| johan_f | I see it I followed you back | 00:50 |
| gabriel_jetro | okay | 00:52 |
| johan_f | btw make sure to go here: https://www.theodinproject.com/paths/full-stack-ruby-on-rails | 00:53 |
| johan_f | when you first make an account they want you to undergo the foundations course | 00:53 |
| gabriel_jetro | Sure, I'm on it, downloading ruby on my local computer | 00:54 |
| johan_f | got it | 00:56 |
| gabriel_jetro | it's taking long to download.. | 01:18 |
| johan_f | its alright | 01:20 |
| johan_f | actually during 8:00am EST (in 11 hours ish) | 01:21 |
| johan_f | my class will be having a quiz | 01:21 |
| johan_f | I usually take a long time so you can continue as I take it | 01:22 |
| johan_f | regardless jeff wanted us to start trying and that's what were currently doing | 01:23 |
| gabriel_jetro | okay | 01:23 |
| gabriel_jetro | i'll be going to bed by 2pm my time and i'll continue tomorrow when i wake up | 01:24 |
| johan_f | okay | 01:25 |
| gabriel_jetro | it's done downloading now | 01:25 |
| johan_f | nice! | 01:26 |
| gabriel_jetro | Man I stop to common string method I'll be going to bed in less then 3min, i'll continue when i wake up. | 01:56 |
| johan_f | alright I think I'll do the same | 01:58 |
| johan_f | see you later and rest well | 01:59 |
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| jelkner | good morning gabriel_jetro and mulbah | 10:56 |
| gabriel_jetro | Good morning jelkner, how's your night | 10:56 |
| mulbah | Good morning Jeff | 10:57 |
| mulbah | How are you | 10:57 |
| thomasboimah | Good morning everyone | 11:10 |
| mulbah | Good morning thomasboimah | 11:12 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, are you here I how some question to ask pretending to our lesson | 11:21 |
| gabriel_jetro | Good morning thomasboimah | 11:22 |
| thomasboimah | Good morning mulbah and gabriel_jetro | 11:22 |
| mulbah | How Ruby going with yu | 11:23 |
| mulbah | you | 11:23 |
| gabriel_jetro | I chat with johan_f last nigh and he/she said that we're are not doing presentation for today we were only going through the learning resource and come up with a solution on the assignment, thomasboimah | 11:23 |
| thomasboimah | Great mulbah , I am begging to like Ruby the same way i like python | 11:24 |
| gabriel_jetro | Ruby is going good mulbah, what about you? | 11:24 |
| thomasboimah | I know that gabriel_jetro | 11:25 |
| mulbah | that is good | 11:25 |
| thomasboimah | I never talk about presentation | 11:25 |
| mulbah | by today I think I will understand the basics | 11:25 |
| thomasboimah | I was only asking if Johan_f is working along with you | 11:26 |
| mulbah | it's essay as python | 11:26 |
| thomasboimah | because Ved have not yet respond to my email | 11:26 |
| mulbah | and it and python almost the same | 11:26 |
| gabriel_jetro | yes, thomasboimah he/she is more productive in responding to me. | 11:27 |
| mulbah | Luis and I support to meet today but he is not feeling to well | 11:28 |
| mulbah | *too | 11:28 |
| gabriel_jetro | johan_f share a sheet with me and it's kinda cool exploring. | 11:28 |
| thomasboimah | sure! gabriel_jetro , I also been looking at he odin project | 11:29 |
| thomasboimah | Sorry to hear about the mulbah | 11:30 |
| thomasboimah | gabriel_jetro, how far you and Johan_f have gone with the assignment | 11:31 |
| thomasboimah | ? | 11:31 |
| gabriel_jetro | I have not reach to classes yet | 11:32 |
| gabriel_jetro | But johan_f said we should just get going and doing the assignment, the best part is that what we able to achieve but i think he/she have done that. | 11:34 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 11:34 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION going to the bathroom | 11:34 |
| jelkner | mulbah, it's not as easy as python imho | 11:35 |
| jelkner | but it does share some characteristics with python that i like | 11:35 |
| jelkner | duck typing | 11:35 |
| mulbah | but I seeing it like that | 11:35 |
| jelkner | well, let's see | 11:36 |
| jelkner | since we want to learn best practices | 11:36 |
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| mulbah | I was able to understand a lot of thing using python knowledge | 11:36 |
| mulbah | *things | 11:37 |
| jelkner | I teach my students to use TDD | 11:37 |
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| jelkner | Now will be a good time for you all to begin learning that | 11:37 |
| jelkner | if we can make it work easily in Ruby | 11:38 |
| jelkner | like i always do when i learn some new tech | 11:38 |
| jelkner | i create a git repo for my experiments | 11:39 |
| jelkner | https://codeberg.org/jelkner/learn_ruby | 11:39 |
| jelkner | i'm working now on trying to understand rspec | 11:39 |
| jelkner | https://rspec.info/ | 11:39 |
| jelkner | the challenge will be to create a class with a collection of simple methods and to write unit tests for them | 11:40 |
| mulbah | what you mean | 11:43 |
| jelkner | ask thomasboimah for help mulbah | 11:44 |
| jelkner | one HUGELY IMPORTANT skill to become an IT professional is to learn to do web searching | 11:45 |
| jelkner | when you see someone mention something you don't understand, LOOK IT UP! | 11:45 |
| jelkner | if you can't learn to do that | 11:45 |
| jelkner | you'll never become and IT professional | 11:45 |
| jelkner | simple as that | 11:45 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, | 11:47 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, | 11:48 |
| thomasboimah | I want to ask you question? | 11:48 |
| jelkner | please | 11:48 |
| thomasboimah | to hear from you | 11:48 |
| thomasboimah | even tho i have done some research | 11:48 |
| thomasboimah | Can you explain the MVC architecture in Rails and how data flows through the framework? | 11:48 |
| jelkner | Wow, great question | 11:48 |
| jelkner | no, I can't explain that ;-) | 11:49 |
| jelkner | but i'm working toward it | 11:49 |
| jelkner | give me 4 months ;-) | 11:49 |
| thomasboimah | Ahhh okay | 11:49 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, we are setting ourselves a big task | 11:49 |
| jelkner | we have a business opportunity aligned with solidarity economy goals | 11:49 |
| jelkner | providing Decidim support | 11:50 |
| jelkner | Decidim is a HUGE Rails application | 11:50 |
| jelkner | so we need to learn Rails | 11:50 |
| jelkner | Rails is written in Ruby, so we need to learn Ruby | 11:50 |
| thomasboimah | sure! | 11:50 |
| gabriel_jetro | +1 | 11:50 |
| jelkner | We also want to learn best practices | 11:50 |
| jelkner | so we need to learn to write tests for whatever code we write | 11:51 |
| thomasboimah | That odin project book is kinda good | 11:51 |
| jelkner | yes, it is | 11:51 |
| jelkner | i agree | 11:51 |
| jelkner | but i'm finding it still be be a challenge to figure out rspec | 11:51 |
| jelkner | that's what i'm working on now | 11:51 |
| jelkner | i have some very talented students in our morning class | 11:52 |
| jelkner | perhaps one of them will figure it out before i do | 11:52 |
| jelkner | and then share that with the class | 11:52 |
| thomasboimah | Okay, We will get there, we just need to put more time and work hard | 11:52 |
| jelkner | but that will be my goal for today | 11:52 |
| jelkner | for someone to develop a basic understanding of rspec, and to show the rest of us how to set up for using it | 11:53 |
| thomasboimah | do you want me to do research on that also? | 11:53 |
| jelkner | +1 | 11:53 |
| jelkner | if you could show us how to use it, YOU would be our hero! ;-) | 11:53 |
| jelkner | i spent about 30 minutes this morning | 11:53 |
| thomasboimah | Okay, let me get on it | 11:53 |
| johan_f | hello everyone | 12:01 |
| gabriel_jetro | Hello johan_f, how's your night. | 12:02 |
| thomasboimah | hello johan_f | 12:05 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, check this out please: https://github.com/tboimah/ruby-card-project/blob/main/RspecGuide.md | 12:05 |
| Ved | hello | 12:07 |
| thomasboimah | HI Ved , HOw are you doing? | 12:07 |
| thomasboimah | Did you see my mail? | 12:08 |
| Ved | Good how are you? | 12:08 |
| thomasboimah | I'm Great | 12:08 |
| Ved | No, I had a chance to briefly look at it | 12:08 |
| Ved | Let me look again | 12:08 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, | 12:08 |
| thomasboimah | johan_f, are you in the same location with jelkner ? | 12:10 |
| johan_f | yes | 12:12 |
| thomasboimah | Can you please tell him to look it the hexchat(I mean here) for a minute | 12:13 |
| thomasboimah | I want him to take a look at the link i send him: https://github.com/tboimah/ruby-card-project/blob/main/RspecGuide.md | 12:13 |
| Ved | Hey thomas, the updates look great. This is my github username: Crystal.Liller@aspva.us | 12:14 |
| Ved | Whoops | 12:14 |
| Ved | dudegod1 ---- | 12:14 |
| Ved | dudegod1 is the username | 12:14 |
| thomasboimah | OKAY LET me add you as collaborator | 12:15 |
| Ved | K | 12:15 |
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| thomasboimah | ACTION just add Ved as collaborator | 12:16 |
| jelkner | nice link thomasboimah! | 12:19 |
| jelkner | i was missing require_relative | 12:19 |
| jelkner | that helped move things forward | 12:19 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, I don't know if that will help | 12:19 |
| jelkner | it did help! | 12:20 |
| jelkner | in a big way | 12:20 |
| jelkner | here's where I am now: | 12:20 |
| thomasboimah | Sure! that good to hear | 12:20 |
| johan_f | gabriel_ I created this for now https://github.com/johan-franco/csc223/tree/main/ruby/Cards | 12:20 |
| jelkner | i have a test running | 12:20 |
| jelkner | https://codeberg.org/jelkner/learn_ruby/src/branch/main/OdinProjects/testy | 12:20 |
| jelkner | if i run: | 12:20 |
| jelkner | ruby spec/funkies_spec.rb | 12:21 |
| jelkner | i now get a nice failing test! | 12:21 |
| jelkner | funkies.rb:2:in `biggest': wrong number of arguments (given 0, expected 1) (ArgumentError) | 12:21 |
| jelkner | from spec/funkies_spec.rb:3:in `<main>' | 12:21 |
| thomasboimah | Do you want look it to it? | 12:22 |
| thomasboimah | *me | 12:22 |
| jelkner | sure | 12:22 |
| thomasboimah | I can a research, I am good at that | 12:22 |
| jelkner | like i said, once you can start debugging things like this, you will be on your way! | 12:22 |
| jelkner | and it will mean Jetro is on its way too | 12:22 |
| johan_f | gabriel_ I'm at ch12.4 (C++ book) working on overloading an operator | 12:24 |
| gabriel_ | Okay, I'm still making my way forward, I'll take a look at it later today after i understand. | 12:25 |
| johan_f | sounds good | 12:26 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, please check this: https://github.com/tboimah/ruby-card-project/blob/main/Rspec_Funkies_Debug.md | 12:34 |
| thomasboimah | Ved, how far have you gone with the assignment? | 12:37 |
| Ved | Currently getting started | 12:37 |
| thomasboimah | Okay, but i don't know if you can accept the invite i send you for collaboration that way i will be able to see what you are working so that we can be on the same page | 12:39 |
| thomasboimah | How did you see that? | 12:39 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION waiting for jelkner to check this link: https://github.com/tboimah/ruby-card-project/blob/main/Rspec_Funkies_Debug.md | 12:40 |
| thomasboimah | Okay Ved better still we can do tmate, for screen sharing | 12:41 |
| thomasboimah | how do you look at that? | 12:41 |
| thomasboimah | * screen sharing/terminal sharing | 12:42 |
| thomasboimah | johan_f, i need you help again, can you please ask johan_f to check up this link: https://github.com/tboimah/ruby-card-project/blob/main/Rspec_Funkies_Debug.md | 12:43 |
| thomasboimah | *your | 12:43 |
| thomasboimah | * je | 12:44 |
| thomasboimah | * jelkner * | 12:44 |
| johan_f | sure | 12:46 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, which AI are you using for help with this? | 12:50 |
| jelkner | it's great to use a tool like that, but until you have it working yourself, you're not finished | 12:50 |
| thomasboimah | It is an open source AI | 12:50 |
| jelkner | which one? | 12:50 |
| thomasboimah | called Chatgpt | 12:50 |
| thomasboimah | yeah jelkner i like it | 12:51 |
| jelkner | i've become a big fan of deepseek | 12:51 |
| jelkner | but you can't just paste replies | 12:51 |
| jelkner | you have to try them | 12:51 |
| thomasboimah | But i am a big fan of Chatgpt | 12:51 |
| jelkner | for example | 12:51 |
| jelkner | whatever | 12:51 |
| jelkner | use whatever you want | 12:51 |
| thomasboimah | I will check that up | 12:51 |
| jelkner | my point is | 12:51 |
| jelkner | you aren't finished just pasting some AI output | 12:52 |
| thomasboimah | I am learn for this jelkner | 12:52 |
| jelkner | for example, i see 1. Duplicate require Statements | 12:52 |
| jelkner | In funkies_spec.rb, we see: | 12:52 |
| jelkner | require '../funkies' | 12:52 |
| jelkner | require_relative '../funkies' | 12:52 |
| jelkner | but that isn't true | 12:52 |
| thomasboimah | *learning * | 12:52 |
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| thomasboimah | I am learning from this | 12:52 |
| jelkner | i don't have require '../funkies' | 12:52 |
| jelkner | so that is not helpful | 12:53 |
| jelkner | anyway, make it run yourself before you tell me to look at it | 12:53 |
| thomasboimah | So that i will not have to go back there when i face problem like this | 12:53 |
| thomasboimah | okay | 12:53 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, this was what you share with me: require '../funkies' | 12:55 |
| thomasboimah | require_relative '../funkies' | 12:55 |
| thomasboimah | describe Funkies.biggest do | 12:55 |
| thomasboimah | it "returns the largest number" do | 12:55 |
| thomasboimah | through this link: https://codeberg.org/jelkner/learn_ruby/commit/5691bb986d80d57ddab2ad25326c0d02e7b159c7 right? | 12:55 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, i got it working | 13:09 |
| jelkner | AI's can be a big help to us | 13:09 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 13:09 |
| jelkner | but *WE* still need to understand | 13:09 |
| jelkner | otherwise what use are we? :-( | 13:09 |
| thomasboimah | Here that is what i use some time when i am not understanding something | 13:10 |
| thomasboimah | But AI is bad and Good | 13:10 |
| jelkner | yes | 13:10 |
| thomasboimah | What do i mean | 13:10 |
| jelkner | so my main problem was that I was running ruby instead of rspec | 13:10 |
| thomasboimah | if you are just using to just solve the problem without learn how it solve the problem it is bad | 13:11 |
| jelkner | a bit more research helped my understand better | 13:11 |
| jelkner | rspec is not just a ruby library | 13:11 |
| jelkner | it is a language | 13:11 |
| jelkner | specifically, a Domain Specific Language | 13:12 |
| jelkner | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain-specific_language | 13:12 |
| jelkner | it is a testing language written in ruby | 13:12 |
| jelkner | but the rspec interpreter is a separate program | 13:13 |
| jelkner | called, not surprisingly, rspec | 13:13 |
| jelkner | anyway, i'm ready to move forward with testing now using rspect | 13:13 |
| jelkner | anyway, i'm ready to move forward with testing now using rspec | 13:13 |
| jelkner | ACTION goes back to work | 13:13 |
| thomasboimah | Oaky Good luck my friends | 13:14 |
| thomasboimah | *friend | 13:14 |
| thomasboimah | I will just be a text away if you want me to look up something, because i learn alot when I'm debugging | 13:15 |
| thomasboimah | and I feel help when I am debugging a problem and get it solve | 13:16 |
| thomasboimah | *happy* | 13:16 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION going to read the odin project resource | 13:18 |
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| jelkner | thomasboimah, the odin project resource is *great* | 13:53 |
| jelkner | i'm finding everything we need in there | 13:53 |
| jelkner | but we just have to go through it all | 13:53 |
| jelkner | https://www.theodinproject.com/lessons/ruby-project-management | 13:54 |
| jelkner | is a huge help | 13:54 |
| jelkner | now i understand the difference between require and require_relative | 13:54 |
| thomasboimah | sure | 13:54 |
| jelkner | what conventions Ruby devs use to structure their code | 13:54 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, i have machine in germany for us | 13:55 |
| thomasboimah | Ruby developers follow these key conventions: | 13:56 |
| jelkner | do you have an ssh public key you can give me so i can set up access on it for you? | 13:56 |
| thomasboimah | Indentation, NamingMethod | 13:57 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 13:57 |
| thomasboimah | I have ssh public key | 13:57 |
| jelkner | put it in pastebin and give me the link | 13:58 |
| thomasboimah | I can send it you privately | 13:58 |
| thomasboimah | Okay pastiben | 13:58 |
| thomasboimah | let me do that | 13:58 |
| jelkner | i need to go pick up a rental car | 14:00 |
| jelkner | i'll be back in a few hours | 14:00 |
| jelkner | if you can give me the key now | 14:00 |
| jelkner | we can do it | 14:00 |
| jelkner | but i have to leave in 5 minutes | 14:00 |
| thomasboimah | the let me send it to you through the private chat | 14:00 |
| jelkner | +1 | 14:01 |
| jelkner | quickly! | 14:01 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, check your private chat | 14:01 |
| thomasboimah | Please confirm if you see it | 14:02 |
| jelkner | i don't think it will work | 14:03 |
| thomasboimah | why> | 14:03 |
| thomasboimah | ? | 14:03 |
| jelkner | https://pastebin.com/ | 14:03 |
| jelkner | it appears on 2 lines thomasboimah | 14:03 |
| jelkner | a key is one line | 14:03 |
| jelkner | i don't have time to fiddle with it | 14:04 |
| jelkner | put it in the pastebin | 14:04 |
| jelkner | and paste the link here | 14:04 |
| jelkner | i'll tell you what | 14:04 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 14:04 |
| jelkner | gotta go | 14:06 |
| jelkner | email me | 14:06 |
| jelkner | bb in a few hours | 14:06 |
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| thomasboimah | ACTION send the ssh key through mail to Jeff | 14:20 |
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| dcammue | Good day, folks | 19:08 |
| thomasboimah | HI everyone | 19:14 |
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