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| thomasboimah | Hello jelkner | 16:44 |
| jelkner | Good evening daniel__, mulbah, and jkollie | 16:45 |
| daniel__ | Good day jelkner | 16:45 |
| jkollie | good day jelkner | 16:45 |
| fkoikoi | Hello jelkner | 16:45 |
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| jelkner | fkoikoi, is thomas coming? | 16:56 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, thomas is here | 16:56 |
| jelkner | there you are ;-) | 16:56 |
| jelkner | great | 16:56 |
| klarios | Hello all! | 16:57 |
| svaye | Hi everyone | 16:57 |
| jelkner | awesome, klarios | 16:57 |
| jelkner | you made it | 16:57 |
| klarios | yes were all here now | 16:57 |
| thomasboimah | Hello klarios | 16:57 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, are we waiting for anyone? | 16:58 |
| klarios | hi thomasboimah | 16:58 |
| thomasboimah | Hi svaye | 16:58 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | Hello everyonw | 16:58 |
| thomasboimah | Hello mulbahkolleh_ | 16:58 |
| jelkner | if not, let's roll! | 16:58 |
| daniel__ | How are you klarios | 16:58 |
| fkoikoi | okay jelkner | 16:58 |
| klarios | doing great thank you! I hope you all are doing good as well | 16:59 |
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| fkoikoi | Greeting everyone, and welcome to today's meeting | 16:59 |
| fkoikoi | Let's move to the first item | 17:00 |
| fkoikoi | so it has reach to the point were everyone needs to step up and take more responsibility | 17:01 |
| jelkner | it's not just that, fkoikoi, we are out of money | 17:01 |
| jelkner | so only billable work will be able to be compensated | 17:01 |
| fkoikoi | +1 Jelkner | 17:01 |
| jelkner | if you want, madam chair, i can explain more our situation before we talk about how to address it | 17:02 |
| fkoikoi | that's the point i was getting at | 17:02 |
| fkoikoi | you can go ahead jelkner | 17:02 |
| jelkner | dear friends, let me give you some idea of the financial stress we are facing | 17:02 |
| jelkner | https://share.mayfirst.org/s/aiP6TmYHjPeMQZK | 17:02 |
| jelkner | kei was waiting for this link | 17:02 |
| jelkner | klarios, there it is | 17:02 |
| klarios | in terms of the strategies that we have been sharing we have always wanted web development, accounting/book keeping, and coop development work to be priorities | 17:03 |
| jelkner | this has two bills i just got from the Virginia Department of Taxation | 17:03 |
| klarios | I see it jelkner | 17:03 |
| jelkner | i don't know how i am going to pay them | 17:03 |
| jelkner | and they are threatening legal action | 17:03 |
| jelkner | so it's stressful | 17:04 |
| jelkner | i just sent the wire transfer to Jetro for $1850 | 17:04 |
| jelkner | i promised you that, and i do everything i can to honor my work | 17:04 |
| jelkner | word | 17:04 |
| jelkner | but i won't be able to do it again soon | 17:04 |
| jelkner | the well has run dry | 17:04 |
| jelkner | so we need to figure out how to start generating revenue | 17:05 |
| jelkner | SECOSOL needs a bookkeeper | 17:05 |
| jelkner | even two bookkeepers | 17:05 |
| jelkner | and we could happily pay the same $400 i promised to thomasboimah and fkoikoi to anyone of you who could learn to do our books | 17:05 |
| jelkner | nova web could use a bookkeeper too | 17:06 |
| jelkner | and Social Justice Computing | 17:06 |
| jelkner | and Mujeres Manos a la Obra | 17:06 |
| jelkner | and the other worker coops that SECOSOL wants to help form | 17:06 |
| jelkner | so, i think the shortest term way to generate revenue is to train up two of you as bookkeepers | 17:07 |
| jelkner | we talked about this when i was there last | 17:07 |
| jelkner | and svaye and daniel__ said they wanted to do that | 17:07 |
| daniel__ | +1 | 17:07 |
| jelkner | well, my dear friends, NOW is the time! | 17:07 |
| klarios | I see jeff. This is serious. Had the witholdings not been payed to the IRS? jelkner | 17:07 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, If svaye and daniel__ want i can try my best in anyway to help them | 17:07 |
| thomasboimah | That is my promise | 17:07 |
| jelkner | klarios, i think we are ok with the IRS | 17:08 |
| jelkner | ved has been working on it | 17:08 |
| jelkner | but we really need someone who can be paid staff to be responsible for this | 17:08 |
| klarios | in terms of book keeping, I am not sure how the process of teaching that is going. I knwo ved is doing it but how do you all keep organized? | 17:08 |
| jelkner | and it can't be me!!! | 17:08 |
| jelkner | klarios, that's why i wanted you to come here | 17:08 |
| klarios | we also need transparency on these classes | 17:08 |
| jelkner | i am not involved in that | 17:08 |
| jelkner | i can't be | 17:08 |
| jelkner | i don't know bookkeeping | 17:09 |
| klarios | neither am I. I am not sure what system they use | 17:09 |
| jelkner | and i won't have time to learn until next summer | 17:09 |
| klarios | svaye: daniel__ if you could give me insight I can surely help | 17:09 |
| svaye | We use the Google sheet jelkner and klarios | 17:09 |
| daniel__ | Sure | 17:09 |
| svaye | I have shared | 17:09 |
| svaye | I shared my sheet with Ved and Devesh we also plan to meet every Wednesday. | 17:10 |
| klarios | do you share your documents on nextcloud? | 17:10 |
| klarios | okay | 17:10 |
| jelkner | klarios, i don't care what system they use as long as it does not depend on proprietary software | 17:10 |
| jelkner | spread sheets would be best | 17:10 |
| klarios | I agree jelkner | 17:11 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | QuickBooks is good for book keeping | 17:11 |
| svaye | We've not done that klarios, we use the Google sheet and Ved can monitor my work from there | 17:11 |
| jelkner | we can put them in our May First NextCloud | 17:11 |
| klarios | we use gnucash in secosol | 17:11 |
| jelkner | svaye, i won't use Google | 17:11 |
| jelkner | but you can move it to NextCloud without problems | 17:11 |
| klarios | svaye: daniel__ you can ask ved and devesh to put items for the class on nextcloud | 17:11 |
| klarios | that way we can all share open source resources and be transparent | 17:12 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | !ask best software for book keeping | 17:12 |
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| jelkner | klarios, let's work with svaye and daniel__ to do things themselves | 17:12 |
| jelkner | instead of asking ved | 17:12 |
| jelkner | we want them to be in control | 17:12 |
| klarios | true jelkner | 17:12 |
| jelkner | when they are, they can be paid for their work | 17:12 |
| jelkner | that's what we want to strive towards | 17:12 |
| jelkner | ASAP | 17:12 |
| klarios | we need to figure out how to document everything you are learning | 17:13 |
| jelkner | LOL | 17:13 |
| klarios | so that we have a record of what needs to be taught, how long it takes, and the resources needed | 17:13 |
| jelkner | klarios, we have to help our Liberian comrades learn to use AI effectively too | 17:13 |
| jelkner | they are now hooked on it! | 17:13 |
| jelkner | and getting a bit carried away | 17:14 |
| klarios | haha sure jeff. I think over reliance is not a good thing but we can definitely use AI to learn quicker | 17:14 |
| jelkner | mulbahkolleh_, if you depend on an AI without having knowledge yourself two bad things will happen | 17:14 |
| jelkner | 1. You will be misled | 17:14 |
| svaye | Alright klarios I will try to put it on the next cloud | 17:14 |
| jelkner | 2. You won't be able to earn any revenue, because anyone else could just ask the AI like you did | 17:15 |
| klarios | thank you svaye, make sure to share a link when we meet on tuesday | 17:15 |
| klarios | also its important for daniel__ to show up to our tuesday classes | 17:15 |
| klarios | 10 am my time | 17:15 |
| klarios | 2pm your time | 17:15 |
| jelkner | 14:00 UTC | 17:15 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | meaning the ask command is not useful Jeff | 17:15 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | because I'm using gemini api for that | 17:16 |
| jelkner | mulbahkolleh_, i'm not saying it isn't useful | 17:16 |
| Gabriel | Greetings everyone I'm here with shallon monitoring the conversation my computer and phone are power down | 17:16 |
| jelkner | in fact, if you use it well, it can make you more productive | 17:16 |
| jelkner | but only if you already know what you are doing | 17:16 |
| jelkner | if you don't | 17:16 |
| jelkner | you won't know what you are getting | 17:16 |
| jelkner | it can help you | 17:17 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | I was just asking it for the best book keeping software | 17:17 |
| jelkner | not replace you | 17:17 |
| jelkner | yes, but did you say "what is the best open source software for bookkeeping?" | 17:17 |
| svaye | We have a book for bookkeeping | 17:17 |
| jelkner | if not, you won't get a good answer | 17:17 |
| jelkner | since what does "best" mean anyway? | 17:17 |
| jelkner | that's a word that requires a lot of context | 17:18 |
| klarios | I think the use is totally okay. We all understand AI cannot replace human interaction so its a case by case basis | 17:18 |
| jelkner | best in what way? | 17:18 |
| daniel__ | klarios: I don't want to blank two different things as one. Let me focus on bookkeeping then later I will join the Spanish class. But I will join but not to learn Spanish for now. | 17:18 |
| jelkner | best for whom? | 17:18 |
| fkoikoi | so bookkeeping is the only way or strategic for now, right jelkner and klarios???? | 17:18 |
| jelkner | daniel__, are you taking UoPeople classes now? | 17:18 |
| svaye | Ved gives us task to test what we have been reading, he also send videos on bookkeeping | 17:18 |
| jelkner | svaye, share those with klarios | 17:18 |
| klarios | alright | 17:18 |
| jelkner | so she knows what you are doing | 17:19 |
| klarios | they can all be shared on nextcloud | 17:19 |
| jelkner | and me too | 17:19 |
| svaye | +1 jelkner | 17:19 |
| klarios | ultimately I can move that content to decidim as well | 17:19 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, What are the billable the mulbahkolleh_ gabriel and jkollie are going to be doing? | 17:19 |
| thomasboimah | *work | 17:19 |
| jelkner | klarios, not now please! | 17:19 |
| jelkner | first things first | 17:19 |
| daniel__ | I just got through with my final exam. But I am doing accounting at the university of Liberia to backup my bookkeeping skills | 17:19 |
| jelkner | we need the simplest path to get svaye and daniel__ to the point where they can keep our businesses from going under | 17:20 |
| jelkner | if we aren't effective in our planning | 17:20 |
| jelkner | we will fail | 17:20 |
| jelkner | we have limited time and very limited resources | 17:20 |
| jelkner | i just showed you a huge bill | 17:20 |
| jelkner | they keep adding to it every month | 17:20 |
| klarios | no worries daniel__ the spanish classes can be self paced but showing up to the tuesday meetings is always good | 17:20 |
| jelkner | this is what happens when you don't do things rightr | 17:21 |
| jelkner | right | 17:21 |
| jelkner | it goes from bad to worse | 17:21 |
| jkollie | am going to work with anupama to learn inkspace | 17:21 |
| jelkner | jkollie, that's great | 17:21 |
| daniel__ | Yes I will do klarios | 17:21 |
| jelkner | but you can't get paid until you start producing images that look good enough to charge for | 17:21 |
| svaye | I could ask Devesh to move our Wednesday to the IRC so klarios could monitor it also | 17:21 |
| jkollie | jelkner mentioned that he need illustration for the book he will be creating | 17:21 |
| jelkner | Santa Claus is dead :-( | 17:21 |
| jelkner | We need to work for a living now | 17:22 |
| klarios | daniel__: itd be amazing if you could share your knowledge on the nextcloud as well. I recognize you are busy as well but all book keeping knowledge is good knowledge | 17:22 |
| jelkner | Please tell me and klarios who is studying at UoPeople now? | 17:22 |
| jelkner | no one answered my question | 17:23 |
| daniel__ | Okay, no worry klarios | 17:23 |
| fkoikoi | jelkner | 17:23 |
| thomasboimah | Thomas, Gabriel, Daniel and svaye | 17:23 |
| jelkner | thank you thomasboimah | 17:23 |
| jelkner | so let's talk about that | 17:23 |
| jkollie | so I talk to anupama and blu, we are plaining our weekly study and meeting schedule | 17:23 |
| jelkner | because that is important | 17:23 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | Jeff the server still facing the problem it was facing the last time | 17:23 |
| klarios | https://share.mayfirst.org/s/anpj3nwoF77xBwZ here is a folder | 17:23 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, you and gabriel have full scholarship yes? | 17:24 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | Because I don't have task for now just to study ruby | 17:24 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 17:24 |
| jelkner | mulbahkolleh_, let's come back to you in a minute | 17:24 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | okay | 17:24 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, klarios and tony gave a great presentation on Decidim yesterday | 17:25 |
| thomasboimah | That's Great! thanks klarios | 17:25 |
| klarios | https://share.mayfirst.org/s/xe8Dt3CTnimXDMk | 17:25 |
| jelkner | Decidim support could very well prove to be an excellent business plan for us | 17:25 |
| klarios | here's the presentation | 17:25 |
| jelkner | if we are able to do it | 17:25 |
| klarios | please take a look when you have time1 | 17:25 |
| thomasboimah | sure! | 17:25 |
| jelkner | we could be getting contracts with city governments and other large organizations that can make our business really viable | 17:26 |
| jelkner | but it is a lot to learn | 17:26 |
| jelkner | tony estimates it will take 2 years | 17:26 |
| jelkner | i'm hoping we can do it in 1 | 17:26 |
| jelkner | that's why i pushed back when you talked about taking on any other task thomasboimah | 17:26 |
| jelkner | we have be be real, folks | 17:26 |
| jelkner | i can afford to pay thomasboimah and fkoikoi next month | 17:27 |
| jelkner | but that's it | 17:27 |
| jelkner | so you all need to figure out how you will organize yourselves to get through this very challenging financial patch we are in | 17:27 |
| jelkner | make sure you have enough to eat | 17:27 |
| jelkner | etc. | 17:27 |
| jelkner | svaye, and daniel__ | 17:28 |
| daniel__ | +1 | 17:28 |
| svaye | Yes jelkner | 17:28 |
| fkoikoi | jelkner, is there anyway that i can be of help, to get billable work done?? | 17:28 |
| jelkner | you need to send me your transcripts if you need me to pay for UoPeople fees | 17:28 |
| jelkner | that's our understanding | 17:28 |
| jelkner | and klarios should see those too | 17:28 |
| svaye | +1 | 17:28 |
| jelkner | so she knows what classes you are taking | 17:28 |
| jelkner | that will help us plan | 17:28 |
| daniel__ | I will do as soon as the grade sheet comes | 17:29 |
| jelkner | +1 | 17:29 |
| klarios | lol so were all taking Uopeople classes | 17:29 |
| jelkner | klarios, thomasboimah listed it earliers | 17:29 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah and gabriel are majoring in computer science | 17:29 |
| klarios | yeah we can set up where to upload those as well | 17:29 |
| jelkner | they have full scholarships | 17:29 |
| jelkner | svaye, and daniel__ are majoring in business | 17:30 |
| jelkner | i am supporting their fees | 17:30 |
| jelkner | and our deal is, they have to get at least a B in each class to earn my funding for the next term | 17:30 |
| jelkner | they've started strong, klarios | 17:30 |
| klarios | yeah that's very reasonable standards | 17:31 |
| klarios | great! | 17:31 |
| jelkner | so daniel__ is right | 17:31 |
| jelkner | asking him to learn spanish now too is too much | 17:31 |
| jelkner | if svaye feels she can do it | 17:31 |
| jelkner | wonderful! | 17:31 |
| jelkner | we will need spanish speaking bookkeepers in the long term | 17:32 |
| klarios | thats right. Unfortunately because of that he will miss out on the tuesday classes | 17:32 |
| klarios | and then and there feedback | 17:32 |
| jelkner | but we need bookkeepers who speak Virginia tax requirements 1st! | 17:32 |
| jelkner | so we can get our books in order | 17:32 |
| jelkner | and not get letters like the ones i just shared | 17:33 |
| klarios | thats right | 17:33 |
| jelkner | jetro will also need to comply with Liberian law | 17:33 |
| jelkner | so they will be "bilingual", Virginia and Liberia ;-) | 17:33 |
| daniel__ | Okay jelkner | 17:33 |
| klarios | I also want to get my knowledge on Virginia tax law as well. I'd love to learn along with jetro | 17:34 |
| svaye | Alright jelkner | 17:34 |
| jelkner | you need to klarios | 17:34 |
| jelkner | you are owner of a business in Virginia! | 17:34 |
| klarios | I do jelkner. I'm anxious to start as well | 17:34 |
| jelkner | now, let's talk about mulbahkolleh_ | 17:34 |
| fkoikoi | jelkner, klarios is there anyway that i can be of help, to get billable work done?? | 17:34 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | okay | 17:35 |
| klarios | Lets plan on gathering some helpful resources regarding virginia tax law fkoikoi | 17:35 |
| fkoikoi | What about mulbahkolleh_ and Gabriel Jelkner | 17:35 |
| jelkner | mulbahkolleh_, if you think you can do it, it might make more sense for you if you continued learning Django | 17:35 |
| fkoikoi | Alright Klarios | 17:35 |
| klarios | we can do that on decidim. During monday's meeting | 17:35 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, that's what i'm talking to mulbahkolleh_ about now | 17:35 |
| klarios | svaye: if you can be there it would be amazing | 17:36 |
| klarios | its at 3:00 Pm my time | 17:36 |
| jelkner | i suggested he learn Ruby because he complained to mr. zawolo that he wasn't getting enough guidance | 17:36 |
| fkoikoi | sure, klarios, same time right???? | 17:36 |
| klarios | yes fkoikoi | 17:36 |
| jelkner | but ledmer has his own struggles | 17:36 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | I can learn both together | 17:36 |
| jelkner | so pairing them up might not help | 17:36 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | that isn't a problem for me | 17:37 |
| jelkner | mulbahkolleh_, we have work on our current websites that needs to be done | 17:37 |
| svaye | I will try to be there klarios | 17:37 |
| jelkner | for example, "I want the board members to appear on the SECOSOL website" | 17:37 |
| klarios | that's what I wanted to ask as well. Ledmer and someone was working on the secosol blog/updates I never knew how that ended up | 17:37 |
| jelkner | that's a customer request that Jetro could bill for | 17:37 |
| jelkner | but only if they can DO IT! | 17:37 |
| klarios | id love for jetro members to help me with the secosol board as well | 17:37 |
| jelkner | so this is what we need to work towards, klarios | 17:38 |
| jelkner | integrating our work | 17:38 |
| klarios | yes jelkner we are a partnership | 17:38 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | I can help you to work on that klarios | 17:38 |
| jelkner | so thomasboimah, we really need you to work with tony on Decidim | 17:38 |
| klarios | okay. lets exchange contact information mulbahkolleh_ | 17:39 |
| klarios | I have telegram | 17:39 |
| jelkner | he was all alone, and that is our best hope for really making it in the long term | 17:39 |
| jelkner | in the short term, we won't get revenue from it | 17:39 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, concern the socosol blog it way me and ledemer was working on that | 17:39 |
| jelkner | since we don't have the skills to charge | 17:39 |
| thomasboimah | but we did not complete it because of the switch to Ruby learnin | 17:39 |
| thomasboimah | *learning | 17:39 |
| jelkner | ok, i get it | 17:40 |
| jelkner | so, you asked about mulbahkolleh_ and gabriel | 17:40 |
| klarios | okay Nova web dev can take charge of that for now | 17:40 |
| jelkner | well, thomasboimah, it seems there is your answer | 17:40 |
| jelkner | that's what we need to learn to succeed | 17:40 |
| klarios | no worries thomasboimah | 17:40 |
| jelkner | we need to: | 17:40 |
| jelkner | 1. look at our resources | 17:40 |
| jelkner | ACTION worries whenever klarios says "no worries"! ;-) | 17:41 |
| thomasboimah | klarios, But if you want I can resume working on that | 17:41 |
| jelkner | 2. look at our opportunies | 17:41 |
| klarios | we need to revise our priorities | 17:41 |
| jelkner | 3. align them | 17:41 |
| jelkner | that's what doing business is all about | 17:41 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | we all can work on that thomasboimah | 17:41 |
| klarios | yes we can all work on that | 17:41 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | learning and working make you move faster | 17:42 |
| klarios | mulbahkolleh_: and thomasboimah can work on this | 17:42 |
| fkoikoi | !agenda | 17:42 |
| Websterss_ | Agenda for meeting 'Businessplan': | 17:42 |
| Websterss_ | AOB (Any Other Business) (added by: fkoikoi) | 17:42 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, i have committed to continuing to fund you at the monthly rate i proposed | 17:42 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | sure we can we just need more time to put to it | 17:42 |
| thomasboimah | Thanks jelkner | 17:42 |
| thomasboimah | I appreciate | 17:42 |
| jelkner | but, thomasboimah, *only* if anthony says you are working effectively toward being a help to him | 17:42 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | klarios I send you my contact | 17:42 |
| jelkner | that's what we need | 17:42 |
| thomasboimah | OKay | 17:43 |
| klarios | yes if you have telegram that works great | 17:43 |
| jelkner | so it is anthony who will decide if you are earning your keep | 17:43 |
| jelkner | make sure you are clear with him | 17:43 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 17:43 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | I have telegram | 17:43 |
| klarios | great | 17:43 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 17:43 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, what i am expecting from you is to guide and manage the coop | 17:43 |
| jelkner | so things like looking for the office | 17:43 |
| jelkner | are your responsibility | 17:44 |
| jelkner | jetro will need an office to be successful | 17:44 |
| jelkner | think of this - at some point we will need to set up a phone system so that you can make calls "from Virginia" | 17:44 |
| jelkner | right now if you needed to call the VA tax department | 17:44 |
| klarios | me and fkoikoi will also look into that jelkner | 17:44 |
| jelkner | i bet you couldn't | 17:44 |
| Gabriel | jelkner: you said I should work with johan learning ruby right? | 17:45 |
| jelkner | it would be blocked | 17:45 |
| jelkner | klarios, 1st things 1st | 17:45 |
| klarios | of course jelkner we are planning first | 17:45 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, should we talk about the office and optimal stopping now? | 17:45 |
| fkoikoi | jelkner | 17:46 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, | 17:46 |
| jelkner | well? | 17:47 |
| fkoikoi | can we move to the third item and reschedule that discussion for monday if possible?? | 17:47 |
| jelkner | your the chair, fkoikoi | 17:47 |
| jelkner | you can lead us where you want us to go ;-) | 17:47 |
| jelkner | s/your/you're | 17:48 |
| fkoikoi | okay than | 17:48 |
| fkoikoi | if nothing is to be said about the first item then let's move to the second item | 17:48 |
| fkoikoi | which is | 17:49 |
| fkoikoi | Managing Financial Expectation | 17:49 |
| fkoikoi | !agenda | 17:49 |
| Websterss_ | Agenda for meeting 'Businessplan': | 17:49 |
| Websterss_ | AOB (Any Other Business) (added by: fkoikoi) | 17:49 |
| fkoikoi | you can take the lead jelkner | 17:50 |
| jelkner | i thought i laid down the hard truth | 17:50 |
| fkoikoi | oh, that true | 17:50 |
| jelkner | only thomasboimah and fkoikoi will be getting regular payment starting in May | 17:50 |
| klarios | I think we did | 17:50 |
| daniel__ | So we are on AOB then | 17:50 |
| jelkner | simple as that | 17:50 |
| jelkner | the well is dry | 17:50 |
| jelkner | there is no more Santa Claus | 17:51 |
| jelkner | he died | 17:51 |
| fkoikoi | let's move to AOB than | 17:51 |
| daniel__ | What kill him jelkner ? | 17:51 |
| jelkner | he was spending too much money that he didn't have, daniel__ | 17:51 |
| jelkner | that's what i mean by "the well ran dry" | 17:52 |
| daniel__ | Oh! I understand :-) | 17:52 |
| jelkner | daniel__, i have been warning you about this for more than 6 months | 17:52 |
| jelkner | it now has hit us | 17:52 |
| jelkner | there is one more thing daniel__ | 17:52 |
| fkoikoi | is there any other item or thing that someone will like to bring on board | 17:52 |
| daniel__ | Your are right my friend! | 17:52 |
| jelkner | but daniel__ and svaye | 17:53 |
| svaye | Yes jelkner | 17:53 |
| jelkner | i promised to support your studies | 17:53 |
| jelkner | and i will keep doing that | 17:53 |
| daniel__ | +1 jelkner | 17:53 |
| daniel__ | Thanks jelkner | 17:53 |
| svaye | Thanks jelkner | 17:53 |
| jelkner | that's important to make this business work, daniel__ and svaye | 17:54 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | Thanks for the effort Jeff | 17:54 |
| fkoikoi | if there is nothing to add than I think you can give the clarity now Jelkner | 17:54 |
| daniel__ | And we will continue to pull out the expected result you need | 17:54 |
| jelkner | through your learning, you will be able to run a successful business | 17:54 |
| jelkner | and then generate your own revenue sustainably | 17:54 |
| jelkner | that's our goal! | 17:54 |
| svaye | jelkner: | 17:54 |
| jelkner | svaye, | 17:55 |
| svaye | Will you talk to Ved about adding our work to next cloud? | 17:55 |
| jelkner | svaye, thanks for bringing that up | 17:55 |
| jelkner | let's talk about that quickly | 17:55 |
| jelkner | we want to become self-reliant | 17:55 |
| jelkner | you don't need ved to do that | 17:56 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, part of your roll as jetro web office manager | 17:56 |
| jelkner | will be to keep helping folks learn | 17:56 |
| jelkner | jetro has it's own next cloud | 17:56 |
| svaye | I am not saying we need him to post on next cloud | 17:56 |
| jelkner | it is a may first member | 17:56 |
| jelkner | you need to learn to use it | 17:56 |
| jelkner | may first is awesome | 17:57 |
| thomasboimah | svaye, I can help you with that when you come to the Office | 17:57 |
| fkoikoi | alright jelkner | 17:57 |
| jelkner | and you have resources available, including nextcloud, mail, jitsi | 17:57 |
| jelkner | that you all can use | 17:57 |
| jelkner | if you learn how | 17:57 |
| svaye | What I mean is he's our mentor and I think he should know what we are doing as it relates to bookkeeping | 17:57 |
| jelkner | he is guiding you, right svaye? | 17:58 |
| svaye | +1 | 17:58 |
| jelkner | when i talked to ved, we agreed you would learn the basics of accounting using a spreadsheet | 17:58 |
| jelkner | that is the best idea for now because: | 17:58 |
| daniel__ | I did that Nextcloud upload the last with Jetro bank statement | 17:58 |
| daniel__ | I can still do again | 17:59 |
| jelkner | 1. it is a universal and flexible tool | 17:59 |
| jelkner | 2. you can use Google sheets with ved, for example, and then use NextCloud spreadsheet with me | 17:59 |
| jelkner | it will just move | 17:59 |
| jelkner | so everyone is happy :-) | 17:59 |
| svaye | I don't have problem with posting on the next cloud jelkner | 17:59 |
| daniel__ | +1 | 17:59 |
| jelkner | awesome | 18:00 |
| svaye | So that means when Ved approved my work I should share it with you, right, jelkner ? | 18:00 |
| jelkner | great daniel__ | 18:00 |
| jelkner | keep learning to use that | 18:00 |
| jelkner | +1 svaye | 18:00 |
| jelkner | klarios, and i want to know what is going on | 18:00 |
| jelkner | we are trying to manage nova web | 18:00 |
| svaye | Well understood | 18:01 |
| klarios | yes svaye | 18:01 |
| jelkner | and we are partners with jetro web | 18:01 |
| klarios | share your work on nextcloud | 18:01 |
| klarios | when you share a link you can pass it on and everyone has access | 18:01 |
| svaye | +1 | 18:02 |
| jelkner | ok, anything else today? | 18:02 |
| fkoikoi | -1 | 18:03 |
| svaye | =nick Gabriel | 18:03 |
| svaye | +1 | 18:03 |
| fkoikoi | oh wait jelkner | 18:03 |
| jelkner | i'm waiting fkoikoi | 18:03 |
| Gabriel | +1 | 18:03 |
| fkoikoi | what time should we meeting Monday?? | 18:03 |
| fkoikoi | *Meet** | 18:03 |
| jelkner | are we meeting monday? | 18:03 |
| fkoikoi | +1 | 18:04 |
| jelkner | who? | 18:04 |
| Gabriel | I asked about my work with Johan previously and you have not given any clarity, jelkner | 18:04 |
| jelkner | Gabriel, good point | 18:04 |
| fkoikoi | to discuss the second items | 18:04 |
| fkoikoi | you and I jelkner | 18:04 |
| jelkner | Gabriel, stay after the meeting and you and i can chat | 18:04 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, i'm home all day monday | 18:04 |
| jelkner | since we don't have school | 18:04 |
| jelkner | so i'm flexible | 18:05 |
| jelkner | fkoikoi, when do you want to meet? | 18:05 |
| fkoikoi | alright, let's meet 11:00am my time | 18:05 |
| jelkner | perfect | 18:05 |
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| jelkner | i'm an early birg | 18:05 |
| jelkner | bird | 18:05 |
| jelkner | that's 11:00 UTC | 18:05 |
| jelkner | 7 am my time | 18:06 |
| jelkner | perfect | 18:06 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 18:06 |
| jelkner | ACTION goes to add "Meet with Freena" to his calendar | 18:06 |
| daniel__ | jelkner, how is Mr. Zawolo? | 18:06 |
| fkoikoi | Aright, thanks everyone for the time | 18:06 |
| jelkner | thank you for and excellent job chairing, madam chair | 18:07 |
| fkoikoi | see you all on Monday and have a great weekend | 18:07 |
| jelkner | Gabriel, you ready to chat? | 18:07 |
| fkoikoi | alright jelkner, see you Monday | 18:07 |
| jelkner | see you monday fkoikoi | 18:07 |
| Gabriel | jelkner can we meet 11:UTC my time to discuss tonight, shallon data will soon expire. | 18:07 |
| fkoikoi | ACTION signing out | 18:07 |
| klarios | thank you all for coming! | 18:07 |
| daniel__ | See you jelkner | 18:07 |
| daniel__ | And every one | 18:08 |
| jelkner | Gabriel, when? | 18:08 |
| Gabriel | OK jelkner let's do it now | 18:08 |
| jelkner | now is best | 18:08 |
| Gabriel | Sure | 18:08 |
| jelkner | let's make it quick | 18:08 |
| jelkner | what do you want to do, Gabriel? | 18:08 |
| jelkner | let's start with that | 18:08 |
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| Gabriel | I want to help with the description | 18:08 |
| jelkner | description? | 18:09 |
| Gabriel | *development | 18:09 |
| jelkner | yes, Gabriel, i know that | 18:09 |
| jelkner | but we have two tech stacks we are working with | 18:09 |
| jelkner | Django and Decidim | 18:09 |
| jelkner | one is Python | 18:09 |
| jelkner | one is Ruby | 18:09 |
| jelkner | eventually you can learn both | 18:10 |
| jelkner | but not at once | 18:10 |
| Gabriel | +1 | 18:10 |
| jelkner | you need to choose for now | 18:10 |
| jelkner | so that is what i am asking you | 18:10 |
| jelkner | let me add this too | 18:10 |
| jelkner | nova web needs to support tony | 18:10 |
| jelkner | but thomas will be doing that | 18:11 |
| jelkner | so if you wanted to earn money now | 18:11 |
| jelkner | the best way i think for you do do that | 18:11 |
| jelkner | is to learn to hack on our current websites | 18:11 |
| jelkner | which are Django | 18:11 |
| Gabriel | Okay | 18:11 |
| klarios | Gabriel: can also help with secosol | 18:12 |
| jelkner | so, for example, if you could take over the "Display the SECOSOL Board" | 18:12 |
| Gabriel | So I'll not have to work with Johan? | 18:12 |
| jelkner | and "Add a blog to SECOSOL" | 18:12 |
| jelkner | you don't have to | 18:12 |
| klarios | you can work with me Gabriel | 18:12 |
| klarios | and johan | 18:12 |
| jelkner | we need to be flexible | 18:12 |
| jelkner | i can pair ved and johan | 18:12 |
| jelkner | they are in the same class | 18:12 |
| jelkner | i only tried what i tried because of mulbah | 18:13 |
| jelkner | saying he wanted to assignments and guidance and didn't feel confident to learn on his own | 18:13 |
| jelkner | so i was trying to help with that | 18:13 |
| jelkner | but you Gabriel | 18:13 |
| jelkner | i believe are comfortable learning on your own | 18:13 |
| jelkner | so you should do that | 18:13 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 18:14 |
| Gabriel | +1 | 18:14 |
| klarios | I'd be amazing to get used to mayfirst infrastructure as well | 18:14 |
| jelkner | +1 | 18:14 |
| jelkner | so, Gabriel, anything else? | 18:15 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | klarios I reply to your message on Telegram | 18:15 |
| Gabriel | To the point jelkner, I'll be doing django | 18:15 |
| klarios | great thank you mulbahkolleh_ | 18:15 |
| Gabriel | If so who'll be checking my progress | 18:15 |
| klarios | I will make a group chat | 18:15 |
| jelkner | Gabriel, to the point, you'll be trying to deliver customer requests for SECOSOL and NOVA Web, which are Django site | 18:15 |
| jelkner | sites | 18:16 |
| jelkner | so Gabriel, we need to: | 18:16 |
| jelkner | 1. Agree on a job you will do | 18:16 |
| jelkner | 2. Agree on how much you will charge for it | 18:16 |
| jelkner | 3. Have you do it | 18:16 |
| jelkner | 4. Have you bill us for it | 18:16 |
| jelkner | that would be AWESOME! | 18:16 |
| Gabriel | Ok | 18:17 |
| jelkner | that's what running a business is all about | 18:17 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | so klaris when are we starting | 18:17 |
| jelkner | so make sure freena knows what you are doing | 18:17 |
| jelkner | since she is the office manager | 18:17 |
| Gabriel | Will you share resources for me to learn or I should do that on my own? | 18:18 |
| jelkner | and in a year from now, people will be contacting her when they want Jetro to do work for them | 18:18 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | I finish with the bot future for now | 18:18 |
| jelkner | ah, Gabriel, i'm just the customer | 18:18 |
| jelkner | but you know the people who you need to ask about that | 18:18 |
| klarios | Gabriel: no worries we will figure that out | 18:18 |
| jelkner | thomas, luis | 18:18 |
| klarios | you should come to our meeting on monday at 3 pm our time | 18:18 |
| jelkner | they know | 18:18 |
| jelkner | all you need me for is to agree on the price | 18:19 |
| klarios | me, freena, and johan will talk about how we can help | 18:19 |
| jelkner | and to get paid once you deliver | 18:19 |
| jelkner | you need to make it happen | 18:19 |
| jelkner | if i have to do it myself, why would i hire you? ;-) | 18:19 |
| jelkner | make sense, Gabriel? | 18:20 |
| klarios | true jelkner is just a costumer | 18:20 |
| klarios | its up to us to figure that out | 18:20 |
| Gabriel | Okay | 18:20 |
| mulbahkolleh_ | klarios please send me the link to the website and the repository | 18:20 |
| jelkner | +1 | 18:20 |
| jelkner | ok, i have to plan lessons now | 18:20 |
| jelkner | like i always say to you, if i don't keep my teacher job, i won't have any money to be a customer! | 18:20 |
| klarios | yes mulbahkolleh_ I will share all resources on decidim. I will make the group chat first | 18:21 |
| jelkner | great talking to you today | 18:21 |
| jelkner | i'm logging off | 18:21 |
| Gabriel | jelkner: | 18:21 |
| jelkner | see you all soon | 18:21 |
| jelkner | yes Gabriel | 18:21 |
| Gabriel | Are you done ? | 18:21 |
| jelkner | ? | 18:21 |
| jelkner | yes | 18:21 |
| jelkner | i was about to log off | 18:21 |
| Gabriel | You said you was going to share a document | 18:21 |
| jelkner | did i? | 18:22 |
| Gabriel | 6:20 PM <jelkner> ok, i have to plan lessons now | 18:22 |
| jelkner | i don't remember saying that | 18:22 |
| jelkner | i'm confused, Gabriel | 18:22 |
| jelkner | planning lessons is what i do | 18:22 |
| jelkner | i'm a teacher | 18:22 |
| jelkner | what are you saying? | 18:23 |
| jelkner | ACTION is confused | 18:23 |
| jelkner | ACTION doesn't remember saying he was going to share a document | 18:23 |
| klarios | I think you also mentioned sharing something jelkner | 18:23 |
| Gabriel | I thought you was saying you have a plan lesson for django that I'll learn and ate the end of every week I'll have an assignment that'll | 18:23 |
| jelkner | what? | 18:24 |
| Gabriel | Be for doing some work with the site | 18:24 |
| jelkner | NO!!!! | 18:24 |
| jelkner | Gabriel, you need to understand | 18:24 |
| jelkner | i don't have the capacity to do that | 18:24 |
| jelkner | i have to plan lessons for the classes i teach at APS | 18:24 |
| jelkner | that's why i started that Ruby thing | 18:24 |
| jelkner | since i could plan for my csc 223 class | 18:25 |
| jelkner | and you all could use it | 18:25 |
| Gabriel | Okay 😊 | 18:25 |
| jelkner | i can't plan Django lessons | 18:25 |
| jelkner | i don't know Django | 18:25 |
| Gabriel | Okay | 18:25 |
| jelkner | but, i know a good place to go | 18:25 |
| klarios | django girls could help us | 18:26 |
| klarios | if the have capacity | 18:26 |
| klarios | they* | 18:26 |
| jelkner | https://www.dj4e.com/ | 18:26 |
| jelkner | Gabriel, do you know any Django yet? | 18:26 |
| jelkner | my colleague, chris jones, is teaching Django to our students | 18:27 |
| jelkner | we've been using Dr. Chuck's course as our main resource | 18:27 |
| Gabriel | Not so much because I stop but I remember some, first is the configuration | 18:27 |
| jelkner | so what klarios mentioned is the best first step | 18:27 |
| Gabriel | Okay | 18:27 |
| jelkner | https://tutorial.djangogirls.org/en/ | 18:28 |
| jelkner | it doen't teach you Django | 18:28 |
| jelkner | but it is a one day workshop designed to teach you what a full stack web app is | 18:28 |
| jelkner | so it is a great first experience | 18:28 |
| jelkner | after that, you can move on to dr. chuck | 18:29 |
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| Gabriel | OK I'll reach out to klarios to do that | 18:29 |
| jelkner | alright, may i go now? | 18:29 |
| klarios | Gabriel: our meeting will be on monday at 3:00 PM my time. You can just show up there | 18:29 |
| klarios | yes jelkner | 18:30 |
| klarios | thank you | 18:30 |
| Gabriel | Sure, have a nice day see you Monday | 18:30 |
| jelkner | thanks klarios! | 18:30 |
| jelkner | see you monday | 18:30 |
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| Gabriel | klarios: | 18:30 |
| klarios | yes Gabriel | 18:30 |
| Gabriel | Can you share your telegram | 18:30 |
| klarios | of course. 571-579-9416 | 18:31 |
| Gabriel | When can you be active | 18:31 |
| klarios | you can send me a message at any time and expect me to answer before 24hrs | 18:31 |
| klarios | always | 18:31 |
| Gabriel | Okay | 18:32 |
| klarios | I will be busy during our monday, tuesday, wednesday, and thursday meetings but I will always answer | 18:32 |
| Gabriel | Okay | 18:32 |
| klarios | thank you. I am excited to work with you! Gabriel | 18:32 |
| Gabriel | Same here.. | 18:32 |
| klarios | I will learn alongside you. I dont have a big background on django so it will be cooperative knowledge | 18:33 |
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| klarios | great | 18:33 |
| klarios | have a good rest of your day | 18:33 |
| klarios | best regards! | 18:33 |
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| Gabriel | Sure you too | 18:33 |
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