| jelkner | Good morning thomasboimah | 10:45 |
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| thomasboimah | Good morning jelkner | 10:45 |
| jelkner | i saw your email, thanks! | 10:46 |
| thomasboimah | You're are alway welcome jelkner | 10:46 |
| jelkner | so it looks like we can take down the email server | 10:46 |
| jelkner | that is a nice step forward | 10:46 |
| thomasboimah | Sure! | 10:46 |
| jelkner | today i'll be working on my UoPeople project management class assignments | 10:47 |
| jelkner | only one more week left! | 10:47 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 10:47 |
| jelkner | i'm taking the next term off, since my wife and i will be traveling to central america from june 18 to july 7 | 10:48 |
| thomasboimah | I was here only on Friday hope to chat with cjone, but i did not see him | 10:48 |
| thomasboimah | *on | 10:48 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, we need to figure this out together | 10:48 |
| thomasboimah | I was here on Friday hoping to chat with cjone, but i did not see him | 10:48 |
| jelkner | cjones was in school on friday | 10:49 |
| thomasboimah | Sorry for the typo i just from bed | 10:49 |
| jelkner | so i saw him | 10:49 |
| jelkner | lol | 10:49 |
| jelkner | np | 10:49 |
| jelkner | i make mistakes *all the time* | 10:49 |
| jelkner | i always have | 10:49 |
| jelkner | to err is human, to forgive divine ;-) | 10:49 |
| thomasboimah | sure ;-) | 10:50 |
| jelkner | and to really f**k things up, you need a computer! :-) | 10:50 |
| jelkner | i'm joking thomasboimah | 10:50 |
| jelkner | sort of | 10:50 |
| thomasboimah | yeah ;-) | 10:50 |
| jelkner | anyway, let's talk about our workflow | 10:50 |
| jelkner | nothing we've tried so far has worked well | 10:51 |
| jelkner | which means we should learn from our experience, and try something else | 10:51 |
| jelkner | or at least modifications of what we've tried so far that take into account what isn't working | 10:51 |
| jelkner | when i talk to cjones about this, i put it this way | 10:52 |
| jelkner | we are trying to do remote collaboration | 10:52 |
| jelkner | and both teams don't really have a firm grasp of what it is like to operate on the other side of the divide | 10:52 |
| jelkner | it's a bit easier for me and mr. zawolo | 10:52 |
| jelkner | since we've been on both sides to some degree at least | 10:53 |
| jelkner | but for everyone else, i imagine it is very challenging | 10:53 |
| jelkner | seems to me that more conversation, more communication, and more practice together will help over time | 10:53 |
| jelkner | but we need to be aware of our challenges so we can not be surprised when they crop up | 10:54 |
| thomasboimah | That's for sure | 10:54 |
| jelkner | cjones is teaching the Django class for the first time | 10:54 |
| jelkner | and when he's in class, there is often a buzz of activity that requires his attention | 10:55 |
| jelkner | i imagine you all tying messages in irc, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting... | 10:55 |
| jelkner | wondering why there is no response | 10:55 |
| jelkner | the reason i get up so early, and the reason i ask you for a meeting time at 11:00 UTC | 10:56 |
| jelkner | is because at that time i am alone in my school building | 10:56 |
| jelkner | no one else is there | 10:56 |
| thomasboimah | Ahhh | 10:56 |
| jelkner | so it is quiet | 10:56 |
| jelkner | i can focus on you | 10:56 |
| jelkner | and nothing distracts me | 10:56 |
| jelkner | once the students arrive, and the buses, and the announcements over the intercom, and the bells telling everyone to move to their next class... | 10:57 |
| jelkner | it's *very* hard to focus, at least for me | 10:57 |
| jelkner | so we do need do figure a way to develop software together | 10:58 |
| jelkner | but for now, i think we should drop the live, synchronous collaboration at least until next September | 10:58 |
| thomasboimah | That's make alot of sense | 10:59 |
| jelkner | you and i (and Freena) need to plan how we move forward between now and the end of August | 10:59 |
| jelkner | i'm putting a lot of hope on mr. zawolo's trip in august | 11:00 |
| jelkner | if something comes up to prevent that, it will be a big set back for us | 11:00 |
| jelkner | but we need to always be trying to anticipate contingencies | 11:00 |
| thomasboimah | sure! | 11:00 |
| jelkner | we would still need to move forward if something comes up | 11:00 |
| jelkner | but we'll plan for him going | 11:00 |
| jelkner | btw, i'm putting together a list of equipment to send | 11:01 |
| jelkner | hold on | 11:01 |
| jelkner | https://share.mayfirst.org/s/XLqwstKatka3Qw9 | 11:03 |
| jelkner | take a look | 11:03 |
| jelkner | that's what i have so far | 11:03 |
| thomasboimah | It look great. Thanks again jelkner for all your support to Jetro | 11:04 |
| thomasboimah | We really appreciate | 11:04 |
| thomasboimah | That | 11:04 |
| jelkner | while appreciation is fine, what i really need is feedback! ;-) | 11:05 |
| jelkner | we're in this together, my friend, so part of the challenge will be getting you the resources you need to operate | 11:06 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, i have a few questions for you | 11:06 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 11:06 |
| jelkner | now that i've told you a bit about what it's like here | 11:06 |
| jelkner | what's it like there? | 11:06 |
| jelkner | are you at home now? | 11:06 |
| thomasboimah | Yes! | 11:07 |
| jelkner | i regret not taking the time to visit everyone at home | 11:07 |
| jelkner | i can only picture 24th street, by the ocean | 11:07 |
| thomasboimah | next summer you will do that | 11:07 |
| thomasboimah | 2026 | 11:07 |
| jelkner | yup, we will | 11:07 |
| jelkner | i'll make sure to rent a vehicle for a week just for that purpose | 11:08 |
| jelkner | so, where is Freena? | 11:08 |
| jelkner | does she live near you? | 11:08 |
| thomasboimah | No Freena is a bit far from me | 11:08 |
| jelkner | let's meet tomorrow at the same time | 11:09 |
| thomasboimah | it Freena, Janet and Mulbah that live near by | 11:09 |
| jelkner | and please reach out to Freena and ask her to join us | 11:09 |
| thomasboimah | Shallon and Gabriel live near by | 11:09 |
| jelkner | great to know | 11:09 |
| jelkner | how far are you from 24th street? | 11:09 |
| thomasboimah | But I am a bit far from them | 11:09 |
| jelkner | do you have everyone's address? | 11:10 |
| thomasboimah | it is about 35 min drive | 11:10 |
| thomasboimah | I guess | 11:10 |
| thomasboimah | Yes I do | 11:10 |
| jelkner | give me a minute to bring up my contact list | 11:10 |
| jelkner | let me enter everyone's address | 11:10 |
| jelkner | then i can look at the map and get a first sense of where you all are | 11:11 |
| jelkner | we also need to think about the new place we will be getting near the University | 11:11 |
| jelkner | Mulbah says he'll move there | 11:11 |
| jelkner | but the rest of you will be spending a lot of time there too | 11:12 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, can you ask Freena to meet with us tomorrow? | 11:12 |
| thomasboimah | Sure | 11:12 |
| jelkner | it should be her and your responsibility to meet each day | 11:12 |
| jelkner | you are the staff people | 11:12 |
| jelkner | that's why i set it up this way for now | 11:12 |
| thomasboimah | I get that at the back of my mind | 11:12 |
| jelkner | since i can only afford to pay two of you a full wage | 11:13 |
| jelkner | until we figure out together how to generate revenue | 11:13 |
| thomasboimah | Thanks again jelkner I am really greatful to be a staff member | 11:14 |
| jelkner | you keep proving to me that i made the right decision my friend | 11:14 |
| jelkner | you are really stepping up and taking charge! | 11:14 |
| jelkner | that's what we need | 11:14 |
| jelkner | ok, to sum up for today | 11:14 |
| jelkner | with the school year about to end | 11:15 |
| jelkner | we (you, me, freena, and hopefully kei) should focus on developing a plan for the summer | 11:15 |
| jelkner | we should keep in mind that we will need to depend on the 3 of us (hopefully 4) to show up! | 11:16 |
| jelkner | you and freena are the staff people in part because i felt i could count on you to do that | 11:16 |
| jelkner | if we don't show up, we fail | 11:17 |
| jelkner | simple as that | 11:17 |
| thomasboimah | I will talk to freena about this and tell her to show up | 11:17 |
| jelkner | great | 11:18 |
| jelkner | here is a first draft of my list for summer goals, please add to it or modify it if you think you should: | 11:19 |
| jelkner | 1. dev team - thomasboimah, gabriel, and mulbah work together to learn enough Django to build and deploy basic apps like the reservation systems we are workong on for ACC | 11:20 |
| jelkner | 2. business team - learn enough basic bookkeeping and enough about the requirements of small non-profit and co-op business in virginia to begin charging for bookkeeping services | 11:21 |
| jelkner | 3. office management (freena) - work with mr. zawolo to get an office for jetro during his visit in august | 11:22 |
| jelkner | be sure to get the jetro web generator and store it in a safe place until we have the office | 11:22 |
| jelkner | look into the best internet we can possibly have | 11:23 |
| jelkner | Starlink is now available in liberia | 11:23 |
| jelkner | https://spaceinafrica.com/2025/01/10/starlink-goes-live-in-liberia/ | 11:23 |
| jelkner | while i hate Elon Musk with a passion | 11:24 |
| jelkner | i'm prepared to use his resource to help jetro | 11:24 |
| thomasboimah | hahaha | 11:24 |
| jelkner | Vladimir Lenin once famously said, "When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will sell us the rope." ;-) | 11:25 |
| jelkner | so that's the way i think about Starlink | 11:25 |
| jelkner | it's the rope | 11:25 |
| jelkner | lol | 11:25 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, quick question | 11:26 |
| jelkner | it may be fast and reliable enough to do video conferencing | 11:26 |
| jelkner | go for it | 11:26 |
| thomasboimah | is Janet part of the dev team or what? | 11:26 |
| thomasboimah | I did not see anything for her during the summer | 11:26 |
| mulbah | hello everyone | 11:26 |
| jelkner | aha, my dear friend, great question | 11:26 |
| thomasboimah | hello mulbah | 11:26 |
| jelkner | but you are asking the wrong person | 11:27 |
| jelkner | you should be asking thomasboimah and freena | 11:27 |
| jelkner | *They* are in charge of planning how Jetro becomes a viable business | 11:27 |
| thomasboimah | hmmmm | 11:27 |
| jelkner | i'm only here to help | 11:27 |
| jelkner | so let me be frank | 11:27 |
| jelkner | everyone one who wants to be part of the Jetro team will need to convince the rest of you that they can contribute in some way you approve of and validate | 11:28 |
| gabriel_jetro | Good morning everyone | 11:29 |
| jelkner | i am a friend and supporter who is helping you get off the ground | 11:29 |
| jelkner | but my resources are limited | 11:29 |
| jelkner | both financial and temporal | 11:29 |
| jelkner | meaning i'm near retirement and can't sustain this beyond a year or two more | 11:29 |
| mulbah has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | 11:29 | |
| jelkner | so we need a graphic designer | 11:30 |
| jelkner | can janet be that person? | 11:30 |
| jelkner | i don't know | 11:30 |
| jelkner | you know better than me | 11:30 |
| thomasboimah | I guess she is on the path | 11:30 |
| jelkner | Natalia Cerna studied at university for 4 years | 11:30 |
| jelkner | and spent a lot of time practicing | 11:30 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 11:31 |
| jelkner | i can show you (and her) examples of when i know she will be ready | 11:31 |
| jelkner | i can give you one right now if you like | 11:31 |
| jelkner | i've got about 15 more minutes and i need to go | 11:31 |
| thomasboimah | sure my friend ;-) | 11:31 |
| jelkner | do you want me to provide an example? | 11:31 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah? | 11:32 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 11:32 |
| jelkner | should i now, or some other time? | 11:32 |
| jelkner | ok | 11:32 |
| jelkner | Look at this book: https://openbookproject.net/thinkcs/cpp/ | 11:33 |
| jelkner | i'm working on the text of the book | 11:33 |
| jelkner | but i need an illustrator | 11:33 |
| jelkner | i asked Natalia to do it | 11:33 |
| jelkner | i agreed to pay her | 11:33 |
| jelkner | but she is having challenges showing up | 11:34 |
| jelkner | so it isn't working out | 11:34 |
| jelkner | she's got the skills | 11:34 |
| jelkner | but isn't effectively available | 11:34 |
| jelkner | she did the first few chapters | 11:35 |
| jelkner | other illustrations were done by a former student, Dafni | 11:35 |
| jelkner | they're not as professional as Natalia's | 11:35 |
| jelkner | so i wanted Natalia to do all of them | 11:36 |
| jelkner | to give them a consistent look and feel | 11:36 |
| jelkner | i'm ready to pay for the work | 11:36 |
| jelkner | but only if i can find someone like Natalia with the level of skill and understanding i need | 11:36 |
| jelkner | willing to do it for a price i can afford | 11:36 |
| thomasboimah | Now I get it | 11:37 |
| jelkner | if janet could ever do that, she will have arrived | 11:37 |
| jelkner | but she is a *long* way from that! | 11:37 |
| jelkner | here's another thing we want at NOVA Web | 11:37 |
| thomasboimah | Yeah she need a lot of practice | 11:37 |
| jelkner | a designer familiar with the best of the free software tools | 11:37 |
| jelkner | and a lot of study | 11:37 |
| mulbah | Janet can try with that | 11:37 |
| thomasboimah | sure | 11:38 |
| jelkner | Natalia was learning https://penpot.app/ | 11:38 |
| mulbah | we can help motivate and practice her to get the full skill | 11:38 |
| jelkner | she was going to train our dev team to use it | 11:38 |
| jelkner | sure mulbah | 11:38 |
| jelkner | One of Jetro's greatest strengths is that you are a great team | 11:39 |
| jelkner | you care about each other, support each other, and work well together | 11:39 |
| jelkner | that is a HUGE strength | 11:39 |
| jelkner | it also makes it a complete joy to work with you | 11:39 |
| jelkner | that's why i'm still here | 11:39 |
| jelkner | ok, i think that's all i've got for now | 11:40 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, same time tomorrow? | 11:40 |
| jelkner | it needs to be only a 10 minute meeting then | 11:40 |
| thomasboimah | Okay jelkner | 11:40 |
| jelkner | since students will be coming | 11:40 |
| jelkner | please ask freena to join us | 11:40 |
| thomasboimah | Have a nice day teaching | 11:40 |
| thomasboimah | okay I will do | 11:40 |
| jelkner | i don't teach today | 11:40 |
| jelkner | i'm at home | 11:41 |
| jelkner | working on UoPeople class work | 11:41 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 11:41 |
| jelkner | wait, on last thing | 11:41 |
| jelkner | let's try the jetro calendar | 11:41 |
| jelkner | you asked if i had something to put on it | 11:42 |
| jelkner | i do | 11:42 |
| jelkner | you could put our stand-up meetings for the rest of the week | 11:42 |
| jelkner | 10 minutes starting at 11:00 UTC | 11:42 |
| jelkner | can you do that now? | 11:42 |
| jelkner | and i can take a look? | 11:42 |
| thomasboimah | okay | 11:42 |
| jelkner | what is the url i add to my nextcloud calendar to see it? | 11:44 |
| jelkner | it will be a big help if we can all start using that | 11:44 |
| jelkner | it is an effective tool that you already have | 11:44 |
| jelkner | now we just need to develop the habit of using it | 11:45 |
| thomasboimah | https://share.mayfirst.org/apps/calendar/p/2Fqq72LK29bYJyfL | 11:45 |
| jelkner | hmmm, you need 5 meetings, not one ;-) | 11:46 |
| jelkner | and i need to figure out how to add it to my calendar as a shared calendar | 11:47 |
| jelkner | the url will work in a separate tab | 11:47 |
| jelkner | but i want event to show up in the same tab as the nova web calendar | 11:48 |
| jelkner | maybe that's now how it works | 11:49 |
| jelkner | for the NOVA Web and SECOSOL calendars (both show up) | 11:49 |
| jelkner | I logged in to Nextcloud using my May First user and password | 11:49 |
| jelkner | and then added https://share.mayfirst.org/remote.php/caldav/ | 11:49 |
| jelkner | but that url does not indicate which user i am | 11:50 |
| jelkner | so it must only work after logging in? | 11:50 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, if you have time, can you explore this today? | 11:50 |
| thomasboimah | sure | 11:50 |
| jelkner | you have access to both jetro and nova web accounts | 11:50 |
| thomasboimah | I have add the meetings | 11:51 |
| thomasboimah | please check it | 11:51 |
| jelkner | so you can try to add both calendars to your calendar | 11:51 |
| jelkner | and write down how you do it | 11:51 |
| jelkner | then see if you can help me add the jetro one | 11:51 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 11:51 |
| jelkner | maybe i need a jetro login? or maybe you can configure it to share with me? | 11:51 |
| jelkner | lol | 11:52 |
| jelkner | ok, thomasboimah | 11:52 |
| jelkner | i can help you a bit first | 11:52 |
| jelkner | you are making these all day events | 11:52 |
| jelkner | you need to delete the week long one | 11:52 |
| jelkner | and then uncheck the All day box on the others | 11:53 |
| thomasboimah | Ahh i see the time now | 11:53 |
| jelkner | and make the start time 11:00 UTC | 11:53 |
| jelkner | and the end time 11:10 UTC | 11:53 |
| thomasboimah | done | 11:55 |
| jelkner | yes, it looks right now | 11:57 |
| jelkner | and i can just bookmark this public url | 11:57 |
| jelkner | which i just did | 11:58 |
| jelkner | so i can view the calendar | 11:58 |
| jelkner | as we learn more, let's figure out how to share calendars | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i don't want a jetro web email | 11:58 |
| jelkner | but i would like to be able to edit the jetro web calendar | 11:58 |
| jelkner | i just logged in as the novaweb user | 11:59 |
| jelkner | wow we have a lot of nextcloud users! | 11:59 |
| jelkner | we need to purge this list | 11:59 |
| jelkner | stefan, adrian, louis, natalia are all still there | 12:00 |
| jelkner | that's one of the things we can do in september | 12:00 |
| jelkner | since we will know which interns are still with us by then | 12:01 |
| jelkner | and we can clear out those who are not | 12:01 |
| jelkner | ok, this was great thomasboimah | 12:01 |
| jelkner | we got some practical work done with the calendar | 12:01 |
| jelkner | and did a lot of planning discussion | 12:02 |
| jelkner | see you tomorrow | 12:02 |
| thomasboimah | I can delete those user that are not part of nova web again | 12:02 |
| jelkner | yes, but wait | 12:02 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, this is going to be very challenging on this side of the ocean | 12:02 |
| jelkner | a real jetro strength is that you have a stable community | 12:02 |
| jelkner | we don't | 12:03 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 12:03 |
| jelkner | it's even looking like tony won't be staying with us | 12:03 |
| jelkner | he hasn't said so yet | 12:03 |
| jelkner | but he is moving to pittsburg with his wife | 12:03 |
| jelkner | and taking a job at a university there | 12:03 |
| jelkner | that's great | 12:03 |
| jelkner | i'm really happy for him | 12:03 |
| jelkner | but i don't think he will have much time for nova web | 12:04 |
| jelkner | that leaves only kei and me | 12:04 |
| jelkner | kei sometimes seems like she's ready to take charge and make this business her own | 12:04 |
| jelkner | but then she disappears | 12:04 |
| jelkner | and i get *very* nervous | 12:05 |
| jelkner | since like i said to you earlier, if we don't show up, we fail | 12:05 |
| jelkner | simple as that | 12:05 |
| jelkner | we need to keep nova web going | 12:05 |
| thomasboimah | sure! | 12:05 |
| jelkner | because that is going to be important to jetro's success | 12:05 |
| jelkner | it is by giving jetro access to the U.S. market through nova web that we have a business plan for jetro that makes sense | 12:06 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 12:06 |
| jelkner | i'm really hoping kei can play a leading role in that | 12:06 |
| jelkner | and make nova web her own | 12:06 |
| jelkner | but if she doesn't, we will need to recruit someone else who can | 12:07 |
| jelkner | once you all have real skills, that will get easier to do | 12:07 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 12:07 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 12:07 |
| jelkner | super | 12:07 |
| jelkner | see you and freena tomorrow at 11:00 uct | 12:07 |
| jelkner | utc | 12:07 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 12:07 |
| jelkner | have a great rest of your day! | 12:07 |
| thomasboimah | Have a nice day | 12:07 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off until tomorrow | 12:08 |
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| thomasboimah | ACTION leaving | 12:09 |
| thomasboimah has quit (Quit: Leaving) | 12:09 | |
| gabriel_jetro has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) | 14:28 | |
| mulbah has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | 16:07 | |
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