IRC log of #jetrowebdev for Tuesday, 2025-06-10

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jelknerGood morning svaye!10:52
svayeGood morning jelkner. How are you doing 10:53
jelkneror should I say "¡Buenos dias, svaye!" ;-)10:53
svayeBuenos dias jelkner, como estás10:54
thomasboimahGreeting jelkner jelkner and svaye 10:55
jelkner¿Cómo van tus clases con Kei?10:55
jkollieGood morning jelkner10:55
svayeGood morning thomasboimah 10:55
jelknerlol, i think you mean jkollie jelkner and svaye, thomasboimah 10:55
thomasboimahoops yeah10:55
jelknerthomasboimah, did you see cjone's email?10:56
thomasboimahYeah and i responed to him10:56
jelknerhmmm, i don't know if i saw that10:56
jelknerlet me look10:56
svayeEs Bueno jelkner 10:57
jelknermuy bien, svaye, me alegre10:57
jelknerthomasboimah, i don't see the reply10:59
jelknerdid it get sent to me?10:59
jelknerwait, after the meeting10:59
jelknerlet's go11:00
jelkneryesterday i prepared the final test for my discrete math class, today i'll be reviewing with them for that test, which they take thursday11:01
jelkneri'm not blocking on anything, but i'll also begin packing up my classroom for the Summer recess today.11:01
jelknerACTION done11:01
svayeGracias jelkner, aquí igual11:01
thomasboimahI didn’t make any progress on my own repo this cycle because I decided to pause that work and join the main project that’s already further along. Chris sent me an email suggesting that since the other repo he and his students are working on is more complete, it makes more sense for us to focus on that one instead of my separate repo.11:02
thomasboimahI’ve reached out to him to ask about available tasks so we can start contributing soon. I also asked about setting up a meeting on HexChat to go over any questions in real time.11:02
thomasboimahI’m ready to jump in as soon as we get the task assignments.11:02
thomasboimahACTION done11:02
thomasboimahjelkner, please check you mail again i just forward it you11:02
jelknerthomasboimah, let's chat about this immediately after our stand-up meeting11:02
jelknerthanks, thomasboimah 11:03
jkollie my pratice with inkscape continue's, i've been watching toturial on fixing credit card, flyers and etc.11:03
jkolliebut I still have a little blocker with the credit card I started fixing, 11:03
jkollie 11:03
jkolliei'm hoping to complete that today and move to fixing *flyers*. 11:04
jkollieACTION done11:04
jelknerjelkner is looking forward to the day when he can see jkollie's artwork!11:04
svayeI didn't work on anything new yesterday. Klarios and I are meeting today to discuss my improvement, and there aren't any blockers.11:04
jelknergabriel_jetro?11:05
dcammueGood morning to all11:05
dcammueYesterday I did a recap for what all I have been learning 11:06
dcammueAnd today,  I will start to learn how to make budget in guncash 11:06
dcammueBut there is a blocker11:06
dcammueI don't have idea of guncash 11:07
gabriel_jetroYesterday, I didn't work on anything. I saw Mr. Jones's email, and I need to ask Thomas how we should proceed, as he has already emailed Mr. Jones, which is what I intended to do this morning. For now, there are no blockers.11:07
jelknerwhat do you mean by "I don't have idea"?11:07
dcammueSorry, *of budget 11:07
jelkneroh, great point dcammue 11:07
dcammueSo it my first time to take a look 11:07
jelknerthat's different11:07
jelknerlet's chat briefly after11:08
jelknerok, i think everyone has gone11:08
jelknernice work!11:08
dcammueAnd I need a lots of resources to cach up11:08
jelknerwe did it in under 10 minutes11:08
dcammueACTION done11:08
jelknerok, seems like i need to address 3 issues11:08
jelknerand i only have about 15 minutes to do that11:09
jelknerso let me jump right in11:09
jelknerissue 1: Jetro needs to have two staff people who maintain at least a 0.9 probability of being at a meeting11:09
jelkner!!!11:09
jelknerso we need to discuss that11:09
jelknergabriel_jetro, in two weeks of stand up meetings, to maintain at least a 0.9 probability of attending, what is the maximum number of meetings you can miss?11:10
gabriel_jetroNone, I can be available anytime for you jelkner 11:11
jelknerLOL, bad answer gabriel_jetro!11:11
jelknernoboby is perfect11:12
jelknerwe need to have serious conversations about this11:12
jelkner(i appreciate the humor, but this is an important conversation)11:12
gabriel_jetroSure, but for now, I don't have anything to do to give an excuse for it.11:12
jelknerthomasboimah, can you answer my question? it is a math question11:12
gabriel_jetroBut if circumstances come along the way I'll let you'll know.11:13
jelknerthomasboimah, can you?11:13
thomasboimahyou mean this:  gabriel_jetro, in two weeks of stand up meetings, to maintain at least a 0.9 probability of attending, what is the maximum number of meetings you can miss?11:13
jelkneryes!11:13
jelknerhow many stand-up meetings do we have in two weeks?11:13
thomasboimah1011:14
jelknercorrect11:14
gabriel_jetroIt's 1011:14
jelknerwhat is 0.9 of 10?11:14
dcammue511:14
jelknerno, dcammue 11:14
jelkneranyone else?11:14
jelknerthomasboimah?11:15
dcammue4 is correct 11:15
jelknerok, let me tell you11:15
jelkner911:15
jelkner0.9 of 10 = 911:15
gabriel_jetroSure 11:16
jelknerit is the same as asking "What is 90 percent of 10?"11:16
jelkneryou say sure gabriel_jetro, so why didn't you answer?11:16
svayeWe have to miss one meeting 11:16
jelkneryes svaye 11:16
thomasboimahis can also be 0.0911:16
jelkneri am trying to drive home a very important point11:16
dcammueOh , sorry.  You said two weeks 11:16
jelknerit will take time to understand it, i know11:16
thomasboimahbecause 0.9/ 10 = 0.0911:16
jelknerbut it is important11:16
dcammueYou are right 11:16
svayeBecause 0.9 would represent 90% of the meeting days11:17
jelkneri don't know what the "magic number" is11:17
jelkneri choose 0.9 because it sounds reasonable and it makes the math easy11:17
jelknerbut the point is, there is some threshold (and if you don't know the word "threshold", please look it up!)11:18
jelknerthat will separate success from failure11:18
jelknerwe are trying to run a business11:18
jelkneragain, i don't know exactly where that threshold is, but if we stay above it, we succeed11:18
jelknerif we fall below it, we fail11:19
jelkneri want to succeed11:19
dcammueI want to do the same too11:19
jelkneranyway, thomasboimah (and the rest of you), freena has now missed two meetings within the last two weeks11:19
jelknerthat won't work11:19
jelknerif we can't plan on the staff people being here, we will fail11:20
jelknerso thomasboimah, please talk to her today11:20
jelknerand figure out why she is missing11:20
thomasboimahOkay11:20
jelkneri'm struggling with klarios around the same issues11:20
jelknerif people don't show, we can't run a business11:20
jelknerok that was the first thing11:21
jelknernext thing11:21
jelknerthomasboimah and gabriel_jetro, this is for you11:21
jelknerit is really important we figure out how to use our resources well11:21
jelknercjones has kindly offered to mentor you11:21
jelknerbut you need to learn to work with him effectively11:21
jelknerhe says he filled issues in the git repo11:22
jelknerand you never addressed them11:22
jelknerand then you said "we don't know what to work on"11:22
jelkneri told him he can't expect you to know how this workflow operates11:22
jelknerbut that together, we need to figure it out11:23
jelkneri warned you to be ready for lots of changes11:23
jelknerwe try one thing, when it doesn't work, we try something else, when that doesn't work, we go back and try the 1st approach again with a slight modification, etc.11:23
jelknerso it was my suggestion that you try to build your own version of the reservations system app11:24
jelkneri suggested that to cjones because i thought you were not ready to work on the one his class is building11:24
jelknersince you don't have the experience yet11:24
jelknerthat's what we are trying to figure out11:24
jelkneri need for cjones to get a good sense of what you can and can not yet do11:25
jelknerso he can assign you appropriate tasks for your level of skill11:25
jelknerdoes this make sense?11:25
thomasboimah+111:25
gabriel_jetro+111:25
jelknerso i am asking you two for two very important favors:11:26
jelkner1. *most* important, gabriel_jetro, please work *with* thomasboimah!11:26
jelkner2. please try to communicate with cjones and jelkner as clearly as you can, so the 4 of us can figure out how to move forward11:26
jelknerhow does that sound?11:27
thomasboimahGood!11:27
gabriel_jetroGreat 11:27
jelknerok, so for today, you two need to decide whether you understand the current application that cjones's students built11:27
jelknerand believe you could "hack on it"11:28
jelkneror whether you think building your own from scratch would better help you learn Django11:28
jelknerwe need feedback from you11:28
gabriel_jetro+111:28
jelknerthis is challenging trying to do this remotely11:28
thomasboimahI already compose an email to chris about that11:28
jelknersince we can't sit in the same room with you and watch you work11:28
jelknerbut we need to work with what we have11:29
jelknerok, thomasboimah, thanks11:29
jelknerlet's check-in again tomorrow11:29
jelknerand i'll talk with him today11:29
jelknerlast thing, for dcammue 11:29
thomasboimahOkay11:29
gabriel_jetroOk11:29
jelknerThe concept of a "budget" is very interesting11:29
jelknerit is a planning document, dcammue 11:30
dcammue+111:30
jelkneryou start with your resources, measured in money usually11:30
jelknerand you try to map your resources to your needs11:30
jelknerthis is a very important part of running a business11:30
dcammueFor all the expenses the company or business will go through in a year or months 11:31
jelknerand we will all need to learn how to do it11:31
jelknerit will take us years11:31
gabriel_jetrothomasboimah: can you stay for 2mins after jelkner leaves?11:31
jelkneras we gain more and more experience with what actually happens11:31
thomasboimahOf course gabriel_jetro 11:31
jelknerwe will begin to be able to better predict what is likely to happen in the future11:31
jelknerthat's what a budget is all about11:31
jelknerACTION done11:31
jelknerok, i have to go11:32
dcammueThanks for today 11:32
dcammueSee you tomorrow 11:32
jelknerlook forward to chatting again tomorrow at 11 UTC11:32
dcammueSame time same place 11:32
jelknerACTION signs off until tomorrow11:32
jelknerlol11:32
jelkneryes dcammue 11:32
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svayeHave a wonderful day everyone, bye11:32
svayeACTION signs until 14:00 UTC today11:33
jkolliebye svaye11:33
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thomasboimahgabriel_jetro, you ask me to wait11:35
gabriel_jetrothomasboimah: with what Jeff was saying, first of all, I'm sorry for making them to feel this way because I didn't do those changes that cjones requested me to do. Now I fully understand and I know we can do this together with what comes ask his students to work on, can we once again apologize and promise to make it our full responsibility, I know this is on me.11:36
thomasboimahokay11:37
gabriel_jetroDo you have anything to say?11:37
gabriel_jetroLike what you think 11:37
thomasboimahlet wait and hear what he is going to tell Jeff today11:38
thomasboimahAfter the two them meet11:38
gabriel_jetroOkay.11:38
thomasboimahBut i already compose an email to him11:38
thomasboimahlet also wait for his respond11:38
gabriel_jetroOkay 11:38
thomasboimahThen we can take it from there11:39
gabriel_jetro+111:39
thomasboimahOkay bro11:39
thomasboimahACTION leaving11:39
gabriel_jetroHave a nice day man.11:39
thomasboimahokay bro you too11:40
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klariosgood morning svaye !14:00
klarioswell afternoon for you 14:00
klarioshow are you?14:00
svayeGood morning klarios 14:00
svayeI am good 14:01
svayeHow are you doing 14:01
klariosthat's great! we finally get to meet, I'm sorry for confusing last tuesday14:01
svayeIt's okay 14:01
klariosI am well and healthy thank god14:01
svayeThat's great 14:02
klariosalright lets get an update of where you left off. I got your voice recording and you did well!14:02
svayeReally, I was nervous 14:04
klariosyour pronunciation was great114:04
klarios!14:04
klarioshaha no worries! the only that needed correcting was the tricky one14:04
klariososo14:04
klariosI think you said Osu 14:04
klariosother than that it was successful!14:05
klariossince we did miss last week and we've got to do the words for this week. I was thinking your homework should be pronouncing 10 words14:05
klarios5 from each group14:06
klariosso it will be: B-V (Both sound like a soft English "B"—no "V" puff!) Barco → BAHR-koh (bahr like "bar," koh like "coat")  Vaca → BAH-kah (bah like "bop," kah like "cot")  Botella → boh-TEH-yah (boh like "bow," teh like "ten," yah like "yacht")  Ventana → ben-TAH-nah (ben like "bend," tah like "taco")  Bicicleta → bee-see-KLEH-tah (bee like "beet," kleh like "clay")14:06
klariosand CH (Sounds like "ch" in "church") Chocolate → cho-ko-LAH-teh (cho like "choir," te like "teh")  Chile → CHEE-leh (chee like "cheese," leh like "let" without the "t")  Chico/a → CHEE-koh / CHEE-kah (chico = boy, chica = girl)  Chaqueta → cha-KEH-tah (cha like "chop," keh like "kettle")  Chiste → CHEES-teh (joke – "cheese" + "teh")14:07
klariosSo both B-V and CH sounds 14:07
klariosif you go into the week 3 homework in modules, you will see that the words are listed out. I will say the tricky part will be pronouncing the V14:08
klariosand some of these words have R (that one will be tough to pronounce)14:08
klariossvaye: are you on phone or computer today?14:09
svayeI am using my phone14:09
klariosshould we try to use jitsy?14:09
svayeLike the video call?14:10
klariosVideo Conference14:10
klariosI am wondering if something like discord works for the bandwidth 14:11
klarioshere's the link: https://meet.mayfirst.org/NOVA_WebDev14:11
klariostry it out14:11
svayeI got on the call but didn't hear you say anything?14:16
klariossvaye: try again 14:16
klariosmy microphone was off14:16
klariosare you in?14:18
klariosit seems like the sound is a bit distorted14:19
klariosI will change the settings to low bandwidth 14:20
klariosgive me 5 minutes ive got to look up how to do that14:20
svayeAlright 14:21
svayeI enable low bandwidth from my end14:22
klariosok try it now14:23
klariosi enabled it for everyone14:23
klariosokay we are on jitsy!14:26
klariosYayy! Jitsy worked great!14:37
klariosso svaye the assignment for this week is clear?14:37
klariosassignment is clear!14:53
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