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| svaye | Good morning gabriel_jetro | 12:11 |
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| mulbah | Hi svaye | 12:17 |
| jelkner | Good afternoon mulbah and svaye! | 12:20 |
| svaye | Good morning jelkner | 12:20 |
| svaye | Hi mulbah | 12:21 |
| mulbah | good morning Jeff | 12:21 |
| jkollie | Good morning jelkner and everyone | 12:22 |
| jelkner | Good afternoon jkollie | 12:22 |
| svaye | Hi jkollie | 12:23 |
| klarios | Hello all! | 12:26 |
| klarios | how are you all doing? | 12:26 |
| jkollie_ | fine and you Klarios? | 12:26 |
| klarios | I am well. The weather is gloomy but i am not ;) | 12:27 |
| gabriel_jetro | Good morning jelkner, freeba said she won't be here today, her father is under serious condition, she was taking to the hospital this morning. "Can you ask for excuse for me please, I'm taking my Dad to the hospital now he's behaving different". | 12:27 |
| svaye | Good morning klarios | 12:28 |
| svaye | How are you doing | 12:28 |
| dcammue | Good morning to all | 12:28 |
| klarios | oh that is concerning, I hope her father gets better. Thank you for letting us know gabriel_jetro | 12:28 |
| klarios | good afternoon svaye ! | 12:28 |
| klarios | i am doing okay | 12:29 |
| klarios | I think were missing thomas? | 12:29 |
| jelkner | looks like it | 12:29 |
| jelkner | good morning klarios | 12:29 |
| gabriel_jetro | And to everyone, I know this is not an excuse but I was out of data since Friday evening till yesterday, I was planning on completing my reservation form but there was no electricity last night, I'm sorry guys I'll give my final input soon. | 12:29 |
| klarios | good morning jelkner! | 12:30 |
| jelkner | good afternoon gabriel_jetro | 12:30 |
| jelkner | let's roll | 12:30 |
| klarios | alright lets get started! | 12:30 |
| gabriel_jetro | Good afternoon jelkner... | 12:30 |
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| jelkner | yesterday i started packing up my classroom for the Summer. I'll finish doing that today, as well as packing for my trip to Central America. | 12:30 |
| jelkner | no blockers for me. | 12:31 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 12:31 |
| svaye | I worked on the last portion of my assignment yesterday, I will send the recording to klarios after the meeting. I have a class with klarios today, no blockers for me. | 12:31 |
| mulbah | Jeff freena will not be here today | 12:31 |
| svaye | ACTION done | 12:31 |
| mulbah | she carry her dad to the hospital | 12:31 |
| mulbah | he is not feeling well | 12:31 |
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| dcammue | Yesterday, I was on my old lesson "budgeting in guncash " and I will be done by tomorrow. | 12:32 |
| jelkner | oh, klarios and i had a *fantastic meeting with Guillaume from VOCA. | 12:32 |
| dcammue | I will continue today | 12:32 |
| klarios | Yesterday me and jeff had an important meeting with VOCA and we came up with a great proposal and plan going forward in the decidim next system project teach ins! I am waiting to hear from ben for a good time to meet and no blockers yesterday. Today svaye and I are starting a new unit! | 12:32 |
| klarios | no blockers! | 12:32 |
| dcammue | No blocker | 12:32 |
| klarios | ACTION done | 12:32 |
| jelkner | oh no. i'm so sorry to hear that freena's dad is ill. | 12:32 |
| dcammue | ACTION done | 12:33 |
| mulbah | Yesterday I was working on the task you give and I have it working now https://irclogs.novawebdevelopment.coop | 12:33 |
| dcammue | I too, I am so sorry for her | 12:33 |
| jelkner | klarios, we are blocking on Ben. | 12:33 |
| jkollie | firstly, I like to apologize for not being in the last meetings my community has been out of current | 12:33 |
| jkollie | for days now, I had to look for a way to charge my Laptop and phone yesterday. | 12:33 |
| klarios | we are blocking on ben | 12:33 |
| mulbah | and also read on Django and improve my project | 12:33 |
| jkollie | Today I'll start by doing a recap of my last pratice(fixing flyer)and then look at some toturial on youtube | 12:34 |
| jkollie | and pick the one's I will use for pratice. there's no blocker for now. | 12:34 |
| klarios | it seems like electricity is unrealible lots lately | 12:34 |
| jkollie | ACTION done | 12:34 |
| klarios | and data as well | 12:34 |
| jelkner | data is a matter of $$ klarios | 12:34 |
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| jelkner | i think we will resolve that best in the new Jetro Office in Fennell | 12:34 |
| klarios | true. I was taking a look at the starlink packages and they are quite expensive | 12:34 |
| jkollie | yeah klarios that's what I had to deal with | 12:35 |
| jelkner | Star Link, perhaps, but we need a solid, unlimited plan | 12:35 |
| klarios | I think so too jelkner | 12:35 |
| jelkner | anyway, gabriel_jetro? | 12:35 |
| mulbah | Jeff I side freena will not be here today | 12:35 |
| jelkner | 4 minutes left all | 12:35 |
| jelkner | let's move it | 12:35 |
| jelkner | yes, mulbah, i saw that | 12:36 |
| mulbah | oh okay | 12:36 |
| jelkner | gabriel_jetro, are you going to report? | 12:36 |
| mulbah | ACTION done | 12:36 |
| gabriel_jetro | No I have none, this from Friday I didn't work I'll resume today when there's electricity. | 12:37 |
| jelkner | so you can still say what you will do today | 12:37 |
| jelkner | and mention that you were blocking on electricity | 12:37 |
| jelkner | it is *very* helpful for us to do this | 12:37 |
| gabriel_jetro | Ohkay today I'll be migrating to core, for the reservation form and do a push to my branch. | 12:38 |
| jelkner | it will make it easier for all of us to see what is going on, where we are having issues, and what we need to do to address them | 12:38 |
| gabriel_jetro | Okay jelkner | 12:38 |
| jelkner | gabriel_jetro, this is a drill | 12:38 |
| jelkner | we want everyone to learn to do it well | 12:38 |
| jelkner | and automatically | 12:38 |
| gabriel_jetro | I know, but I was not prepared today jelkner | 12:38 |
| jelkner | ok, anything else from anyone before we end the meeting? | 12:39 |
| dcammue | jelkner: Thomas and I when to get some information on how we can go about removing Spencer and putting Shallon to the both business and the bank account signatory | 12:39 |
| thomasboimah | Greeting folks | 12:39 |
| thomasboimah | Yesterday:I spent time addressing all of Chris’s comments on my PR. I’ve made the suggested changes and pushed the updates. | 12:39 |
| thomasboimah | Today:While waiting for Chris to review the changes, I plan to revisit the book “Python for Everybody” to refresh my Python knowledge. I’ll also spend some time looking into the process of changing our IRC logs domain from .org to .coop. | 12:39 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION done | 12:39 |
| thomasboimah | Sorry I'm late | 12:39 |
| thomasboimah | I get stuck in traffic | 12:39 |
| dcammue | So he might not attend, maybe he is still on his way home | 12:39 |
| jelkner | ok, meeting is over | 12:39 |
| jelkner | we have cjones here today | 12:40 |
| klarios | right on time thomasboimah | 12:40 |
| jelkner | and we need to have a discussion on the use of AI. | 12:40 |
| jelkner | how to use use it | 12:40 |
| jelkner | and how NOT to use it! | 12:40 |
| jelkner | cjones, you want to start? | 12:40 |
| cjones | sure - hi all! | 12:40 |
| mulbah | Hi cjones | 12:40 |
| gabriel_jetro | Okay by what time will be the discussion, I wanna be part if there's no blocker. | 12:40 |
| gabriel_jetro | Greetings, cjones | 12:40 |
| svaye | Hi cjones | 12:41 |
| cjones | thomasboimah, you're making great progress on the PR, and I think we're really close to done. i appreciate your hard work | 12:41 |
| jelkner | now gabriel_jetro | 12:41 |
| dcammue | How are you cjones | 12:41 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION going to read the log | 12:41 |
| jelkner | let him talk dcammue | 12:41 |
| jelkner | and LISTEN! | 12:41 |
| jelkner | what he is saying now is important for everyone | 12:42 |
| cjones | but I do have some feedback about the process - it feels like you're relying too much on computers to do your thinking. it would help to make sure that you're adding some human review to the work the computer is doing | 12:42 |
| cjones | remember - our goal here is for you to learn django. Getting this project done is a nice side-effect, but it's not our primary goal | 12:42 |
| jelkner | +1!!! | 12:43 |
| cjones | as an example, in your code you're trying to add a form for events. your current code doesn't work, so I asked you to try running it and confirm that you can get it to work. you added a comment that says "Confirmed and adjusted the widgets to ensure they render properly as type="date" and type="time" — should work now in modern browsers."... but it still doesn't work | 12:43 |
| cjones | (and it sounds like an AI wrote that comment - my favorite trick to detect AI writing lately is the em-dash) | 12:44 |
| cjones | so did you test and make sure it works before adding that comment? | 12:44 |
| cjones | the other thing that AI code writers love to do is re-generate entire files to just make a small change. we're seeing that a lot in our PR. there are tons of changes to the CSS that you didn't touch, it looks like an AI just re-ordered the lines, which makes the diff very hard to read | 12:45 |
| cjones | finally, i want us to think of a PR as something very intentional. you should be able to explain every line in the diff and explain why that change is important. the existing PR has lots of changes that aren't really necessary, deletes random important lines, etc. | 12:46 |
| cjones | I use code generators a lot to help save time, but it's important to always go through and review changes. I end up throwing away probably ~90% of the code that the AI writes. And when it writes code that I don't understand, I use that as a learning opportunity | 12:46 |
| cjones | (monologue done). Do those suggestions make sense? Any questions? | 12:47 |
| jelkner | cjones, i'd like to follow up | 12:47 |
| jelkner | thank you for all your help! | 12:47 |
| jelkner | these very specific points are crucial to our understanding | 12:47 |
| jelkner | i'd like to back you up with some more general points | 12:48 |
| jelkner | Jetro Websters, AI is nothing if not a *DISRUPTIVE* technology! | 12:48 |
| jelkner | it is turning things upside down, and especially in schools, causing us educators no end of troubles | 12:49 |
| jelkner | we need to talk about all this together | 12:49 |
| jelkner | and to figure out what role AI tech can play in helping us become more productive | 12:49 |
| jelkner | it can play a role like that, and i will be encouraging you to use it that way | 12:50 |
| jelkner | but let me tell you what i tell my students these days when we start discussing AI | 12:50 |
| jelkner | i'm OLD | 12:50 |
| jelkner | when i was your age, digital electronic calculators were just becoming affordable | 12:50 |
| jelkner | some people were saying "Children don't need to learn their times tables any more" | 12:51 |
| jelkner | Since we have machines that can do it faster and better | 12:51 |
| jelkner | let me tell you as a math teacher | 12:51 |
| jelkner | THEY WERE TOTALLY WRONG!!!!! | 12:51 |
| jelkner | when you don't learn your times tables, you can't think about numbers very well | 12:52 |
| jelkner | you can't reduce fractions or factor polynomials | 12:52 |
| jelkner | so even though we have machines to help us | 12:52 |
| jelkner | WE HUMANS still need to develop our own skills and mental capacities | 12:52 |
| jelkner | if you just rely on ChatGPT to do your coding for you | 12:53 |
| jelkner | What the young geeks are now calling "Vibe Coding" | 12:53 |
| jelkner | you will soon be "caught with your pants down" as the saying goes | 12:53 |
| jelkner | it will become clear that YOU don't know what you are doing | 12:53 |
| jelkner | i dream of the day, hopefully about a year from now, when you will be able to take over from Stefan and Adrian and hack on LibreOrganize and Business Tracker | 12:54 |
| jelkner | You will not be able to to that with ChatGPT | 12:54 |
| jelkner | Stefan and Adrian were MUCH better coders than ChatGPT | 12:55 |
| jelkner | and it simply will not work | 12:55 |
| jelkner | so, we need to figure this out | 12:55 |
| jelkner | ok, i think i've made my point | 12:55 |
| jelkner | ACTION gets off his soap box | 12:55 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, gabriel_jetro mulbah, do you understand? | 12:56 |
| thomasboimah | Yes! | 12:56 |
| mulbah | +1 | 12:56 |
| gabriel_jetro | Thanks jelkner and cjones for this discussion, we'll learn to do much better. | 12:56 |
| jelkner | Great | 12:56 |
| jelkner | Let's try it on the next iteration | 12:56 |
| cjones | =) but its' not much of a discussion yet, more like a speech. any questions concerns or thoughts from team jetro? | 12:57 |
| gabriel_jetro | But actually I'm taking a Udemy courses to work on this project as my learning goes. | 12:57 |
| gabriel_jetro | One is "python Django for beginners with two practical project". By Rathan Kumar | 13:00 |
| dcammue | ACTION going to continue his guncash tutor | 13:00 |
| cjones | so thomasboimah - I added a new batch of comments to your PR this morning, and I think we're getting really close. as always, happy to answer any questions | 13:01 |
| klarios | nicee gabriel_jetro, this is a good place to learn | 13:01 |
| svaye | Thanks for the heads up cjones, we will keep that in mind whenever we are given a work to do. | 13:02 |
| cjones | (and I know why your form isn't working... but as I said this is your learning opportunity. I want you to figure it out!!) | 13:02 |
| cjones | ...happy to talk it through or give hints =) | 13:02 |
| thomasboimah | Okay cjones i will check that up. | 13:02 |
| jelkner | ok all, tomorrow will be my last stand up meeting for awhile | 13:03 |
| svaye | AI can be of help when we already know what we are doing, not when we still have more to learn. | 13:03 |
| klarios | alright time is up. Thank you all for coming, and thank you cjones for the speech. it makes me thing that we need to find ways to be more intentional about learning | 13:03 |
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| jelkner | but i'm confident klarios and y'all can continue to move forward in my absence | 13:03 |
| jelkner | i'll be looking at the logs | 13:04 |
| klarios | I am confident as well! | 13:04 |
| jelkner | anything else before i go for today? | 13:04 |
| svaye | We will jelkner | 13:04 |
| klarios | nope jelkner i think we're set | 13:04 |
| gabriel_jetro | -1 | 13:04 |
| svaye | Have a wonderful day jelkner. Adiós | 13:04 |
| jelkner | Tu tambien svaye! | 13:05 |
| klarios | Have a great rest of your day! | 13:05 |
| gabriel_jetro | Bye all... | 13:05 |
| klarios | svaye: nos vemos pronto! | 13:05 |
| jelkner | Hasta mañana! | 13:05 |
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| jelkner | ACTION signs off until tomorrow | 13:05 |
| gabriel_jetro | ACTION signing off for tomorrow | 13:05 |
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| svaye | Tu también klarios | 13:06 |
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| klarios_ | Hi svaye i’m sorry my connection keeps dropping. I am not home right now | 14:18 |
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| klarios | Can you see these messages? | 14:20 |
| klarios | svaye: ? | 14:20 |
| svaye | Hi klarios | 14:20 |
| klarios | Great! sorry I am late | 14:20 |
| svaye | Which messages klarios | 14:20 |
| svaye | * what | 14:21 |
| klarios | I was trying to send messages here but the screen kept blanking. Im in the subway right now so connection is bad | 14:21 |
| klarios | I got all of your recordings today! | 14:22 |
| klarios | I have heard most of them and you did amazing! | 14:22 |
| svaye | Thank you | 14:22 |
| klarios | haha I do have to say you can actually pronounce RR already! | 14:23 |
| klarios | I was truly suprised!! | 14:23 |
| klarios | surprised! | 14:23 |
| klarios | So the only feedback I have is the H sounds | 14:24 |
| klarios | you pronounced them as J instead of H. Remember, anything that has H is silent | 14:24 |
| klarios | for example Hambre is not Jambre instead its Ambre | 14:24 |
| klarios | remembering that its silent is a developed habit! | 14:25 |
| klarios | since in english we pronounce the H | 14:25 |
| klarios | does that make sense? svaye | 14:25 |
| svaye | Yes | 14:26 |
| klarios | also you did the Botella pronunciation well! | 14:26 |
| klarios | Great job! | 14:26 |
| svaye | Thank you, I wasn't sure when I did that | 14:27 |
| klarios | you did that a couple of days ago | 14:27 |
| klarios | so lets move on to the introduction to this unit. | 14:28 |
| svaye | Alright | 14:28 |
| klarios | I know numbers were included in unit 3, but I wanted to make them a unit of their own | 14:28 |
| klarios | you will be counting from 1-20 in 3 days! | 14:29 |
| klarios | I recommend you start with this video: https://youtu.be/wqlGiFQJESs | 14:29 |
| klarios | for numbers 1-10 | 14:29 |
| klarios | and this video: https://youtu.be/ooQOHajG-8E | 14:29 |
| klarios | for number 11-20 | 14:30 |
| klarios | I also recommend writing the numbers down. For example Uno, Dos, Tres, Cuatro, Cinco | 14:30 |
| klarios | On friday we will be having a jitsy meeting to see your progress! | 14:31 |
| klarios | so it is established that we will accomplish our first goal on forday | 14:31 |
| svaye | Alright, am I also sending a recording for this right? | 14:31 |
| klarios | No you dont have to. I will ask you pronunciation details on friday | 14:32 |
| svaye | Alright | 14:32 |
| klarios | I would recommend memorizing the patterns well because I will be asking about the numbers in randomized order | 14:32 |
| svaye | Okay | 14:33 |
| klarios | after friday we will focus on bigger numbers, decimal places, scientific notation, and teaching you a bit about accounting! | 14:34 |
| klarios | since dcammue is using GNUcash I will look into it and see if we can inconporate it in our lessons | 14:34 |
| klarios | In terms of the alphabet. We are not fully done because there are words and concepts you havent been introduced to yet! first I want to introduce you to number because that will help you understand those concepts bettter | 14:35 |
| klarios | expect a graded unit 3 from me on friday for the alphabet by the way! | 14:36 |
| svaye | Alright | 14:36 |
| klarios | I will also be introducing you to accounting concepts or words that you need to know to do accounting | 14:36 |
| klarios | alright! I am out of the station and have to head home now, any questions until friday? | 14:37 |
| klarios | or anything you would want to see me teach you? | 14:38 |
| svaye | No question for now, I will study the numbers and be ready by Friday. | 14:38 |
| klarios | Great! Thank you svaye, and sorry for being so late again! being in the train and trying to get connected is Not a good idea | 14:38 |
| klarios | see you until friday then ! | 14:39 |
| svaye | It's okay klarios | 14:39 |
| svaye | Have a wonderful day | 14:39 |
| klarios | you as well! | 14:39 |
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