| BigBrother | Tick Tock! | 13:00 |
|---|---|---|
| BigBrother | It's 13:00 UTC o'clock and NOVA Web Development's meeting is starting. | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Uh-oh! That is embarassing... | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Unfortunately, there are no items on the agenda! | 13:00 |
| BigBrother | Have a nice day, Websters! | 13:00 |
| jelkner | Good afternoon dcammue | 15:57 |
| jelkner | Are you hear? | 15:58 |
| jelkner | here | 15:58 |
| jelkner | oops | 15:58 |
| jelkner | You are grayed out. | 15:58 |
| dcammue | Yes | 15:58 |
| jelkner | Supper | 15:58 |
| dcammue | I been here since | 15:58 |
| dcammue | How are you | 15:58 |
| jelkner | Since? | 15:58 |
| jelkner | our meeting starts in 1 minute, right? | 15:58 |
| dcammue | 30 minutes ago | 15:59 |
| dcammue | I mean | 15:59 |
| jelkner | Hmmm... | 15:59 |
| dcammue | +1 | 15:59 |
| jelkner | time zones always cause confusion | 15:59 |
| jelkner | i thought it is 4 pm your time now, right? | 15:59 |
| jelkner | 12 + 4 = 16:00 UTC | 15:59 |
| dcammue | 1 minute to 4 pm | 15:59 |
| jelkner | that's when we were due to meet | 15:59 |
| jelkner | yes | 15:59 |
| dcammue | Yes I know | 16:00 |
| jelkner | ok, i thought i got mixed up | 16:00 |
| dcammue | But I decided to come soner | 16:00 |
| jelkner | got you | 16:00 |
| dcammue | *sooner | 16:00 |
| jelkner | do you know if thomas and shallon will join us | 16:00 |
| jelkner | ? | 16:00 |
| dcammue | I tried giving him call but was not getting him | 16:00 |
| jelkner | np | 16:01 |
| jelkner | as long as i can talk with you | 16:01 |
| jelkner | they can look in the logs | 16:01 |
| jelkner | firstly, let me say how grateful i am for all the work you do! | 16:01 |
| jelkner | just like your comrade tboihmah, you are becoming a pro | 16:01 |
| jelkner | i feel confident we can hire you now to do the books for SJC and NOVA Web | 16:02 |
| jelkner | i'm sure you still have a lot to learn | 16:02 |
| jelkner | but you have convinced me that you know how to learn what you need | 16:02 |
| dcammue | I just give him a call again. And he's coming | 16:02 |
| dcammue | Go ahead | 16:03 |
| jelkner | dcammue, did you see my email with the NOVA Web bank statements? | 16:03 |
| jelkner | there we go | 16:04 |
| thomasboimah | Good afternoon jelkner and dcammue | 16:04 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, i was just telling dcammue how happy i am with the progress y'all are making! | 16:04 |
| jelkner | hello svaye | 16:04 |
| svaye | Hi everyone | 16:04 |
| jelkner | so i just sent an email to the three of you (cc'ing Kei and Tony) with links to the NOVA Web bank statements | 16:05 |
| jelkner | if we can hire you to do the books, and help with the taxes for both SJC and NOVA Web, we will have taken a HUGE step forward! | 16:06 |
| dcammue | I just checked and I saw it jelkner . I was updating the sjcompute database just before the meeting | 16:06 |
| jelkner | no rush, dcammue | 16:06 |
| jelkner | i know i just got them to you | 16:06 |
| jelkner | so what i'm hoping is that from now on i can just send you the statements at the end of each month | 16:06 |
| jelkner | Kei sent SJC and invoice | 16:07 |
| jelkner | but she only sent it to me | 16:07 |
| jelkner | i don't want to be the one who receives them | 16:07 |
| jelkner | since i means i have to process them | 16:07 |
| jelkner | too many things are blocking on me | 16:07 |
| jelkner | the goal is to have you two, dcammue and svaye, do the books | 16:08 |
| dcammue | +1 | 16:08 |
| jelkner | and manage things like paying invoices | 16:08 |
| jelkner | dcammue, i do have one other question | 16:08 |
| svaye | If we are gonna used gnucash everyone should use it for things like invoice and even salary, because it will automatically update our accounts | 16:09 |
| jelkner | i can connect to all three databases from gnucash | 16:09 |
| jelkner | SJC, NOVA Web and Jetro | 16:09 |
| jelkner | but with two of them, SJC and Jetro, the database was locked | 16:09 |
| jelkner | in the hour before this meeting | 16:09 |
| jelkner | is that because you were logged in? | 16:09 |
| jelkner | or did you forget to log out earlier? | 16:10 |
| jelkner | we need to keep an eye on that | 16:10 |
| dcammue | Yes | 16:10 |
| svaye | I have that same problem | 16:10 |
| jelkner | ok, cool | 16:10 |
| jelkner | so this is the main thing i wanted to talk about now | 16:10 |
| jelkner | and then we can end this meeting, it doesn't have to be long | 16:10 |
| dcammue | Okay | 16:11 |
| jelkner | the idea should be that when i connect and find the database locked, i can assume that one of the two of you is using it | 16:11 |
| jelkner | that means we need to be sure that when you end your connection | 16:11 |
| jelkner | it releases the lock | 16:11 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah could help with that | 16:11 |
| dcammue | Exactly | 16:12 |
| thomasboimah | I think we can | 16:12 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, when you are ready, and with your database course you soon will be, if you aren't already now | 16:12 |
| jelkner | i can give you a sudo account on our database server | 16:12 |
| thomasboimah | set up an email alias that we a use logout it will send am email | 16:12 |
| jelkner | so you can do whatever needs to be done with this | 16:12 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, should i create that account now? | 16:12 |
| thomasboimah | I can look into that if you want | 16:13 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 16:13 |
| jelkner | wait | 16:13 |
| jelkner | you have it already | 16:13 |
| jelkner | i just looked | 16:13 |
| jelkner | you me and chris | 16:13 |
| thomasboimah | let me try to ssh into the server and see | 16:13 |
| jelkner | ok, let's continue to work through this over the next few weeks | 16:15 |
| jelkner | until we get it right | 16:15 |
| jelkner | dcammue and svaye | 16:15 |
| jelkner | the NOVA books have not been setup yet | 16:15 |
| jelkner | so when you login to that | 16:15 |
| jelkner | it is empty | 16:15 |
| jelkner | that's why i sent you the statements | 16:15 |
| jelkner | so you can set that all up | 16:16 |
| jelkner | you're in thomasboimah | 16:16 |
| dcammue | Okay | 16:16 |
| jelkner | i see you ;-) | 16:16 |
| thomasboimah | Yes | 16:16 |
| jelkner | (the who command is very useful :=) | 16:16 |
| jelkner | do you have sudo? | 16:16 |
| jelkner | if not, i can give it to you now | 16:17 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 16:17 |
| jelkner | sweet | 16:17 |
| jelkner | you have everything you need then | 16:17 |
| jelkner | excellet! | 16:17 |
| jelkner | such a pleasure it is to work with Jetro websters!!! | 16:17 |
| svaye | jelkner: there are few things I want to be sure about | 16:18 |
| jelkner | go ahead svaye | 16:18 |
| dcammue | jelkner: what do sjcompute do with LINODE AKAMAI | 16:18 |
| jelkner | dcammue, ask thomasboimah first | 16:18 |
| svaye | I setting up the accounts we need to know if SJC and novaweb pay salary | 16:18 |
| thomasboimah | It is for server hosting | 16:19 |
| svaye | In* | 16:19 |
| dcammue | Okay thanks | 16:19 |
| jelkner | so, svaye you should reach out to kei and tony | 16:19 |
| dcammue | I am out of the dark | 16:19 |
| jelkner | but my understanding is no | 16:19 |
| jelkner | since NOVA is an LLC | 16:19 |
| jelkner | functioning as a co-op | 16:19 |
| jelkner | it is essentially a "pass through" organization | 16:20 |
| jelkner | i'll be honest with you | 16:20 |
| jelkner | despite a lot of reading | 16:20 |
| svaye | Alright apart from the bank statement we would also have to know the expenses and liabilities of both organisations | 16:20 |
| jelkner | i never fully understood how all this works | 16:20 |
| jelkner | i'm waiting until i get to Liberia this Summer so dcammue can teach me ;-) | 16:20 |
| dcammue | Firstly, you ask the question. Do NOVA Web has employees or do NOVA Web pays her members instead of employees | 16:21 |
| jelkner | actually, i'll be learning a bit before then | 16:21 |
| jelkner | we had a guest speaker in my entrepreneurship class yesterday | 16:21 |
| jelkner | she is a dentist who is the mother of one of my students | 16:22 |
| jelkner | i learned *a lot* from her!!! | 16:22 |
| jelkner | it made me feel a little better (in some ways) | 16:22 |
| jelkner | when she said she had the same problem i did | 16:22 |
| jelkner | when kevin and i started NOVA Web | 16:22 |
| jelkner | we knew about web tech | 16:22 |
| jelkner | but we knew nothing about business | 16:23 |
| svaye | dcammue: I think members or employees payments should still serve as salary expenses. Right? | 16:23 |
| jelkner | i don't know svaye | 16:23 |
| jelkner | so i'm glad you're asking dcammue | 16:23 |
| jelkner | anyway, our dentist guest speaker said she knew a lot about taking care of people's teeth | 16:24 |
| jelkner | but she knew almost nothing about business | 16:24 |
| jelkner | and it really cost her | 16:24 |
| jelkner | same story with nova web | 16:24 |
| jelkner | that's why in this 4th reboot we need to fix that weakness | 16:24 |
| jelkner | and you two, my dear friends svaye and dcammue | 16:24 |
| jelkner | are our solution | 16:24 |
| jelkner | the dentist hires someone in the U.S. to do her accounting | 16:25 |
| jelkner | but a small, low budget worker co-op like nova can't afford that | 16:25 |
| jelkner | which is where the opportunity for our collaboration lies | 16:25 |
| jelkner | there will be a lot of small worker co-ops springing up like mushrooms in the U.S. | 16:26 |
| jelkner | since our economy is imploding | 16:26 |
| jelkner | and the empire we live in is dying | 16:26 |
| jelkner | so people in the U.S. are going to have to learn new ways to take care of each other | 16:26 |
| jelkner | as our society continues to disintegrate | 16:27 |
| jelkner | that will mean more and more need for the solidarity economy | 16:27 |
| svaye | jelkner: I understand you don't really know much about the business, so Kei and Tony would be the best people to relate to for information concerning SJC and novaweb. | 16:27 |
| jelkner | no svaye | 16:27 |
| jelkner | sadly | 16:27 |
| jelkner | Tony knows less about business than i do | 16:27 |
| jelkner | Kei knows more | 16:28 |
| jelkner | but not that much more | 16:28 |
| jelkner | she is really smart, though | 16:28 |
| jelkner | so she is learning quickly | 16:28 |
| dcammue | Svaye, I think there will be a little difference. But for member working for his organisation and being pay, servers as salary | 16:28 |
| jelkner | anyway, ask kei if she knows | 16:28 |
| jelkner | this is not something tony will know about | 16:28 |
| svaye | jelkner: the window 10 website campaign is SJC project right? | 16:29 |
| svaye | Alright jelkner | 16:29 |
| jelkner | svaye, we agreed to wait until after wednesdays meeting to talk more about that | 16:29 |
| jelkner | oh, one more thing dcammue and svaye | 16:29 |
| jelkner | the students in the SE Business Club can be a good resource | 16:29 |
| jelkner | they are smart, and they are studying business | 16:29 |
| jelkner | so we need to get them helping you figure things out | 16:30 |
| dcammue | +1 | 16:30 |
| jelkner | keep in mind the following, and we can really benefit from this relationship: | 16:30 |
| jelkner | 1. They are volunteers, so they won't charge us, but that limits what we can demand from them | 16:31 |
| jelkner | 2. What they want, (and how they get "paid" if you want to think about it like that) is *EXPERIENCE*. | 16:31 |
| jelkner | we offer them real world experience | 16:31 |
| jelkner | which they can't get in school | 16:31 |
| jelkner | they know that | 16:31 |
| jelkner | that's why they are doing this | 16:31 |
| jelkner | Ved, for example, did an amazing job | 16:32 |
| jelkner | but now he is away at college | 16:32 |
| jelkner | and doesn't have the time | 16:32 |
| jelkner | his sister is in my class | 16:32 |
| jelkner | she is in 10th grade | 16:32 |
| jelkner | also very smart and very skilled | 16:32 |
| jelkner | so hopefully we can get her involved at some point | 16:32 |
| jelkner | devesh is also dedicated | 16:33 |
| jelkner | but he is in 12th grade | 16:33 |
| jelkner | so he'll be gone next year | 16:33 |
| jelkner | so i think that's all for today, yes? | 16:33 |
| thomasboimah | Jeff, I can SSH with my key but forgot my sudo password. Can you reset it for me? | 16:34 |
| svaye | I am not talking about the project now I just want to link it to our work as bookkeeper for SJC. The money you're going to pay jetroweb for the website would be recorded in SJC book as expenses under the fundraising supplies account. So if you have other projects we would need to know about it. | 16:34 |
| jelkner | i will set it to tboimah, if you agree to change it immediately | 16:34 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 16:34 |
| thomasboimah | Thanks | 16:34 |
| jelkner | done | 16:35 |
| jelkner | now change it! | 16:35 |
| thomasboimah | okay | 16:35 |
| svaye | I know we are just started off with keeping books but there's a draft of accounts Ved sent me that would help us set up the accounts accurately. | 16:36 |
| thomasboimah | done. Thanks | 16:36 |
| jelkner | nice svaye | 16:36 |
| jelkner | use that | 16:36 |
| svaye | dcammue: do you have the accounts sheet or should I send it to you? | 16:37 |
| jelkner | all set thomasboimah? | 16:37 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, also add me in the sudoers file | 16:37 |
| thomasboimah | Please | 16:37 |
| jelkner | ahh | 16:37 |
| jelkner | Done thomasboimah | 16:37 |
| dcammue | For what account svaye ? | 16:38 |
| jelkner | confirm before i leave | 16:38 |
| thomasboimah | Thanks | 16:38 |
| jelkner | you need to log out and back in | 16:38 |
| jelkner | so the groups file is read | 16:38 |
| jelkner | last thing, comrades | 16:38 |
| thomasboimah | Confirm! | 16:38 |
| jelkner | i'm going to start looking into booking my ticket to Liberia | 16:38 |
| dcammue | Send it svaye | 16:38 |
| dcammue | Wow | 16:38 |
| dcammue | As sooner as it is? jelkner | 16:39 |
| jelkner | i'm planning to stay for 3 weeks | 16:39 |
| svaye | dcammue: the possible accounts you would find under Asset, Liability, Equity, Income and Expense | 16:39 |
| jelkner | and then to meet my wife in Barcelona on my way back | 16:39 |
| jelkner | so i'm looking at the last week in June and the 1st two weeks in July | 16:39 |
| jelkner | will that work for y'all? | 16:40 |
| dcammue | Why not one month? | 16:40 |
| jelkner | i'm going to be on the collective bargaining committee next year for my union | 16:40 |
| jelkner | so i need to be back before the beginning of august | 16:40 |
| jelkner | 3 weeks should be enough time for us to get a lot accomplished | 16:41 |
| dcammue | Okay | 16:41 |
| dcammue | Then it amazing | 16:41 |
| dcammue | Sure | 16:41 |
| thomasboimah | Alright | 16:41 |
| jelkner | ok, anything else before we end? | 16:41 |
| thomasboimah | dcammue, how far with the office space? | 16:42 |
| dcammue | Thanks a lot. | 16:42 |
| jelkner | yes, that is important | 16:42 |
| dcammue | I will be going to the office space for visit on Monday. | 16:42 |
| jelkner | mr. zawolo told me dcammue sent him video | 16:42 |
| jelkner | he likes the place | 16:42 |
| dcammue | Yes | 16:42 |
| jelkner | but it isn't finished yet | 16:42 |
| jelkner | soon, right? | 16:42 |
| dcammue | I did video call with him as well | 16:42 |
| jelkner | nice dcammue | 16:43 |
| dcammue | Yes | 16:43 |
| jelkner | keep in touch with him please! | 16:43 |
| dcammue | So if jelkner wants, we can do video call on Monday | 16:43 |
| dcammue | On telegram | 16:43 |
| jelkner | ahh | 16:43 |
| dcammue | :-) | 16:43 |
| jelkner | no need dcammue | 16:43 |
| dcammue | Fine | 16:43 |
| thomasboimah | ;-) | 16:43 |
| jelkner | because i am not in the same place as mr. zawolo | 16:44 |
| jelkner | he is in a different building | 16:44 |
| jelkner | near, but not the same | 16:44 |
| jelkner | so i go visit him briefly | 16:44 |
| jelkner | in the morning | 16:44 |
| jelkner | you communicate directly with him | 16:44 |
| jelkner | i will too | 16:44 |
| dcammue | I can call you separately | 16:44 |
| jelkner | but not at the same time | 16:44 |
| dcammue | Okay thanks | 16:45 |
| jelkner | why don't we try that during the SE Business club meeting? | 16:45 |
| jelkner | so they can see you | 16:45 |
| dcammue | Okay | 16:45 |
| dcammue | Nice | 16:45 |
| jelkner | it is next wednesday at 21:30 UTC | 16:45 |
| jelkner | then we could even talk about the Windows 10 laptop campaign | 16:46 |
| jelkner | if the connection holds up | 16:46 |
| jelkner | ok, i have a lot of teacher work to do | 16:46 |
| jelkner | so i need to get to that | 16:46 |
| dcammue | 10/21/2025 right? | 16:46 |
| jelkner | enjoy the rest of your weekend | 16:46 |
| jelkner | +1 | 16:46 |
| thomasboimah | Okay you too | 16:46 |
| svaye | Have a wonderful weekend jelkner | 16:46 |
| dcammue | You too | 16:46 |
| jelkner | oop | 16:46 |
| jelkner | oops | 16:46 |
| jelkner | what do you mean dcammue | 16:47 |
| jelkner | 2025-10-29 | 16:47 |
| jelkner | no 21 | 16:47 |
| dcammue | The Wednesday to meet | 16:47 |
| jelkner | that's past already ;-) | 16:47 |
| dcammue | My bad :-) | 16:47 |
| dcammue | Okay, I copied | 16:47 |
| jelkner | okie dokie, enjoy the rest of your weekend | 16:47 |
| dcammue | Nice meeting | 16:48 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off til monday | 16:48 |
| jelkner | +1 | 16:48 |
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| svaye | ACTION signs off | 16:48 |
| dcammue | You sent it | 16:48 |
| dcammue | svaye: | 16:48 |
| svaye | I will send it now on WhatsApp | 16:49 |
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| thomasboimah | Bye guys | 16:49 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION sign out | 16:49 |
| dcammue | Thanks | 16:49 |
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