IRC log of #jetrowebdev for Monday, 2025-11-17

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dcammueGood morning jelkner 11:57
jelknerOver the weekend i read the irc logs of Thomas and zOnny's first meeting, which seemed to go very well. Today i11:58
jelkneroops11:59
dcammueDuring the weekend, I went to look for place. And I found one with the price of $70 USD per month. I reported it to Mr. Zawolo immediately, but he said that he wants the place in fance. So due to that, I have not gotten any that is in fance. Today I am washing my clothes. And also willing to go and fine place with anyone that is interested in following me on Wednesday November 19, 2025. No blocker. 11:59
dcammueACTION done11:59
dcammueMe too wow11:59
jelknerToday i'll be trying to figure out what to do to move SJC forward, given the poor showing of the board yesterday. No blockers.12:00
thomasboimahDuring the weekend, I had a great work session with zOnny. We set up our working environment and started updating the Nova website. zOnny plans to email Kei, or he will send an email to the MD Latino Caucus to ask them what updates they want for their site so we can start on it. Today, I plan to poke around LibreOrganize to get more comfortable with it. No blockers.12:00
dcammue:'l12:00
jelknerACTION done12:00
thomasboimahACTION done12:00
jelknergood morning thomasboimah and dcammue 12:00
thomasboimahGood morning jelkner 12:00
dcammueGood morning jelkner 12:00
jelknerthomasboimah: i read the irc logs from saturday and was very happy!12:00
jelkneryou and zOnny appear to be off to a great start12:01
thomasboimahexactly!12:01
jelknerthat is *so* important, i'm pleased to see it happen12:01
jelkneri'm so sorry to hear from gabriel about his mother's health challenges12:02
jelkneri am wishing her a speedy recovery12:02
dcammueMe too12:02
thomasboimahsure, me too12:02
jelknerdcammue: i will speak with mr. zawolo in a few minutes12:03
dcammueOK 12:03
jelknerhe didn't show to our SJC board meeting12:03
jelknerand he told me when last we met that he would find someone to help you find a place12:03
jelknerwe can't keep blocking on this12:03
jelkneri told him, that timing is everything12:03
dcammueHe told me the same the other day12:04
jelknerif we "drop the ball", it radically increases the chances we will not succeed12:04
dcammueBut I am not seeing the green light from him12:04
dcammueBut not really depending on that less wise12:04
jelknerdcammue: i am feeling frustrated this morning12:04
jelkneronly 2 SJC board members showed to our meeting yesterday12:05
jelknerwe need to turn that into a much more serious non-profit now12:05
jelknersince we are taking on more serious work12:05
dcammueI read all of their excuses they sent.  I was downhearted too12:05
jelknermy plan is to get one of you to be on the board12:06
jelknerbut we can12:06
jelknerbut we can't do that until you get the office12:06
jelknerand starlink12:06
jelknerwe need reliable infrastructure so you can fully engage with us12:06
jelknerso we are blocking on that12:06
dcammueSure12:07
thomasboimahyes12:07
jelkneri'll report to you on Wednesday morning12:07
jelknerand talk with mr. zawolo today12:07
thomasboimahAlright12:08
jelknerin the mean time, let those of us who show up each day figure out how we can move things forward12:08
jelkneri know i can rely on thomasboimah and dcammue!12:08
dcammueSure12:08
thomasboimahsure12:08
jelknerwhere is svaye, btw?12:08
dcammueNo idea.12:09
jelknerdcammue: we need to have "courageous converstations"12:09
jelknerabout this12:09
thomasboimahHmmm, I don't know because she did not communicate why12:09
jelknerSJC will be sending Jetro money to help launch you as a co-op12:09
jelkneryou need to manage that well12:09
jelknerif you squander it12:09
jelknerit will end12:09
dcammueSure12:10
jelkneryou understand how important it is to account for everything12:10
jelknerwe keep trying12:10
jelknerit is not for me to decide12:10
jelknerbut only those of you who show up and take initiative should be paid at this point12:10
thomasboimahI think it about time we manage our resource12:11
jelknersince only a core group of hard working, dependable people will lead to success12:11
jelknerthomasboimah: you are managing your resources12:11
jelknerbut you need to continue to strive to manage them better, right?12:11
thomasboimahyes12:11
dcammueBut why if someone is showing up but not really performing the job12:12
thomasboimahWE need to give the resource to someone that work for it12:12
jelkneryou all need to have that conversation among yourselves12:12
jelknerit doesn't have to be framed in a negative way12:12
jelknerwith accusations and punishments12:12
jelknerinstead, i think it works better to frame it in a positive way12:13
jelknerwe want *all* of us to succeed and prosper12:13
jelknerto do that, since our resources are so limited12:13
jelknerwe need to decide on our champions to help lead us forward12:13
jelknerand trust they will bring the rest of us forward when they have found our path12:13
jelknerwe can look in the data12:14
jelknerwe have irc logs12:14
jelkneryou could just count who has showed up how many days over the past six months12:14
jelkner(or whatever time frame you want)12:14
jelkneri already know it will show thomasboimah and dcammue at the top of the rank12:15
jelknerso we need to start with you two12:15
thomasboimahjelkner, dcammue is on salary now right?12:15
jelknerthomasboimah: we didn't do that12:15
jelknerbut i think we need to12:15
jelknerthis is a conversation we need to have with svaye12:16
jelknerSJC can not afford more money then it is sending12:16
jelknerso as i keep saying12:16
jelknerthe only way forward is to use the grant to begin generating revenue12:16
jelknerthere are two ways to do that:12:16
jelkner1. software development12:16
jelkner2. bookkeeping12:16
jelkner2 is actually easier to achieve12:17
jelkner1 will take more time to develop the level of skill we need12:17
jelknerthey both will take a lot of effort12:17
jelknerbut basic bookkeeping can be learned faster12:17
jelknerso we probably need to focus on dcammue immediately12:17
jelknerhe could near money doing books for SJC and NOVA Web12:18
thomasboimahyes12:18
jelknerafter he does that successfully through the tax season12:18
jelknerwe could offer that service to other organanizations12:18
jelkneron the web tech side, it will take more time12:18
jelknerbut now that thomasboimah and zOnny are working together12:19
jelknerwe are doing what we need to do12:19
jelknerthomasboimah: you two should use the grant money to do the tasks given12:19
jelknerwhich are:12:19
jelknerUpdate MDLLC, SECOSOL, NOVA Web, CDU, Claudia Jones School (and perhaps others I'm not thinking of right now)12:20
jelknerwebsites12:20
jelknerthey are LibreOrganize sites12:20
thomasboimahyes12:20
jelknerso learning to update them will solidify your Django skills12:21
jelknerlook carefully at the code base thomasboimah 12:21
jelknerwe haven't even talked about automated tests yet12:21
jelknerbut i know Adrian spent a lot of time writing them12:21
jelknerso you'll need to learn to run them12:21
jelknerand to update them12:21
jelknerso that once you start adding your own features12:21
jelkneryou have them tested too12:22
jelknerits *a lot* to learn12:22
jelknerand it will take time12:22
jelknerbut you are on the path12:22
thomasboimahYeah, little by little12:22
jelknerok, anything else before i go?12:22
dcammueYes 12:22
jelknerquickly dcammue 12:23
jelkneri need to talk to mr zawolo12:23
jelknergo ahead12:23
dcammueSo you said that I should drop one university for the paid job 12:23
jelknerdcammue: it doesn't make sense to go to two different universities for the same thing!12:23
dcammueBut you forgot to register me for the next term or we needed to do that12:23
jelknerif you got into the University of Liberia12:24
jelknerand it is cheaper12:24
jelknerthan why not just go there?12:24
dcammueOK 12:24
jelknerbut you need to go part time if you want to get paid12:24
jelknerwe need full time people with Jetro12:24
jelknernot part time people12:24
jelknerso, for Jetro to succeed12:24
jelknerit should select the full time people who want to earn $400 per month12:25
thomasboimahjelkner, so we have three pay staff now right? 12:25
jelknerNO!12:25
jelknerwe don't have money for that thomasboimah 12:25
jelknerthat's $1200 per month12:25
jelknerwe can't afford it12:25
jelkneryou all need to select two people12:25
jelknerit was supposed to be thomasboimah and svaye12:26
jelknerbut if dcammue can do the task better12:26
jelkneryou all should agree that you will lead with your best people12:26
jelknerif you don't12:26
jelkneryou fail12:26
jelknerand all money comes to an end when the business fails12:26
jelknerwe have to work *HARD* to make it succeed12:27
jelknerand we need the people willing to work really hard12:27
jelknerunderstand me?12:27
thomasboimahThanks for the clarification12:27
dcammue+112:27
dcammueThanks 12:27
jelknerthomasboimah: i am not the decision maker12:27
jelkneryou are12:27
jelkneri only provide the constraint12:27
jelkneri tell you want the limits are on the funding12:28
jelkneryou decide how to spend that funding12:28
jelknerbut if you decide poorly12:28
jelkneryou will not be able to continue forward, right?12:28
thomasboimah+112:28
jelknerok, let's talk again wednesday12:28
thomasboimahI badly want us to succeed12:29
thomasboimahOkay12:29
jelknerme too, thomasboimah 12:29
jelkneryou know i do!12:29
jelkneri tell everyone, this is my dream12:29
jelknerif it fails, i will retire and move to mexico12:29
jelknerand i'll end my life a failure :-(12:29
jelkneri'll be ok12:30
thomasboimahThat's not gonna happen12:30
thomasboimahWE will succeed12:30
dcammueWow. That is not going to happen 12:30
jelknerbut i would much rather end my life leaving something good behind me12:30
jelkneryes, thomasboimah, i think we will12:30
jelknerok, talk to you wednesday12:30
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thomasboimahAlright, have a nice day12:30
jkollieYesterday I concluded on the topic "The social contract as a Design Principle", (Decidim 3.1.1) I also do a review of my notes. Today I'll look at a few tutorial for my practice on the Decidim instance setup and continue with the book. No blocker 12:34
jkollieACTION done 12:34
thomasboimahyou're late jkollie 12:34
jkollieYeah 12:34
thomasboimahMeeting is over12:34
jkollieMy apology 12:35
jkollieI'm really sorry for joining late 12:35
thomasboimahNo problem12:35
thomasboimahsee you wednesday12:35
jkollieI'll just read the log 12:36
thomasboimahYes please do12:36
jkollieAlright 12:37
jkollieSee you tomorrow 12:37
thomasboimahokay12:39
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freenaHi danielcammue 20:02
dcammueHow are you freena 20:25
svayeGood evening everyone 20:29
dcammueGood evening gabriel_jetro svaye and freena 20:31
dcammueGood evening jkollie 20:31
jkolliegood evening dcammue and everyone20:32
thomasboimahHello everyone20:32
gabriel_jetroGreetings everyone onece again I am writing to inform you'll as a family that my mother went through a successful surgery and I won't be active base on her recovery, she told be to keep this private, but since we're team and I just don't wanna stay away without letting you'll know because we're working together. Thanks 20:32
thomasboimahdcammue start the meeting20:33
dcammueGood evening everyone 20:33
jkolliehope your mom gets better soon gabriel_jetro20:34
dcammueFirstly,  gabriel_jetro I am very sorry for what happened to your Mother.  And speedy recovery 20:34
dcammueOkay let start20:35
dcammueToday, we were two that attended the stand up meeting this morning 20:35
dcammueAnd Jeff said that he was very frustrated20:36
dcammueI guess you guys read the log20:36
gabriel_jetroNo I didn't, and I'm sorry for to hear that...20:37
gabriel_jetroBut*20:37
dcammueJeff,  asked us to host a meeting among us to see how best we can manage jetroweb resources 20:37
svaye_I am sorry for not attending the meeting today, I had connection issue20:37
freenaGreetings thomasboimah, dcammue, jkollie, svaye and gabriel_jetro 20:38
jkollieI later join but I was late, I got messup with my time 20:38
jkollieand again my apology20:38
dcammueBecause if the grant SJC sent gets away, then the business will fail20:38
dcammueSo Jeff said that jetroweb, along with him Jeff need to get people that will be able to push jetroweb forward to  meet its success 20:40
dcammueIn during that, we all need reliable staff that will bering result on the table 20:41
dcammueNot just result but the great one20:41
gabriel_jetro+120:41
thomasboimahsure20:41
svaye_+120:41
jkollie+120:42
dcammueSo here is Jeff idea that he said we should use to get those people. 20:42
dcammueWe should get the attendance from the logs and rate it per person showing up on a daily basis 20:43
dcammueSo he said that it was thomasboimah and danielcammue that are to the top rank of the list 20:43
dcammueSo that it. If thomasboimah can add up 20:44
dcammueAny thing 20:44
thomasboimahthe only way forward is to use the grant to begin generating revenue there are two ways to do that: 1. software development 2. bookkeeping20:44
thomasboimahJeff said that basic bookkeeping can be learned faster20:45
thomasboimahAnd their are two people learning bookkeeping now20:46
thomasboimahdcammue, and svaye_ 20:46
gabriel_jetroBy next week I'll try my best to be fully active, I promise and get back on track, I have completed the hope bridge Liberia site html I'm only remaining to push the code to gitlab and ask you'll for input before moving to the css, JavaScript and django 20:46
thomasboimahBut Sjc(Jeff) said that they can only pay one person to learning the bookkeeping20:46
thomasboimahThis is time for us to put the coop first it is not about the money20:47
thomasboimahWe need some that is at the high point to learn bookkeeping20:48
gabriel_jetro+120:48
thomasboimahand start bring in money20:48
thomasboimahI learn that dcammue and svaye_ have been given the chance to keep book for SJC and NOVA20:49
svaye_thomasboimah, if this comes down to choosing between dcammue and I, I would say dcammue should be the one to do the bookkeeping.20:49
thomasboimahI really don't know how that been going20:50
thomasboimahSo we need to choose our best player for this last min to time match20:50
svaye_He's more knowledgeable than me, and more focus on it because that's what he is studying at the university.20:51
gabriel_jetrosvaye_: 20:51
thomasboimahBecause it the Grant we have now finish without us earning money Jetro will fail20:51
thomasboimah*if*20:52
svaye_gabriel_jetro, 20:52
thomasboimahI think am done here20:52
thomasboimahACTION done20:52
freenaCan I give my view on what dcammue said guys??20:52
gabriel_jetro+1 freena 20:53
dcammue+120:53
freenaFirstly, we should look at the fastest way Jetro can earn now and then divide the team into two so everyone can be active and for the work flow to be smooth and also to serve as backup to our payed staff. 20:54
freenaThough I haven't been active due to some reasons but that's my view 20:54
gabriel_jetroDriving to what thomasboimah is pointing from dcammue input, I think he wants to change the staff person and have dcammue onboard as it relates to svaye_ thinking 20:55
gabriel_jetroBut we'll understand your point freena as it clearly mentioned from dcammue quotes 20:56
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thomasboimahgabriel_jetro, i don't have the right to choose staff person we all do that is why they call this meeting20:57
thomasboimahso use WE instead of He20:57
gabriel_jetroI know thomasboimah but she's getting feedback from your statement because you didn't point it to we'll 20:58
jkollieto dcammue and svaye you guys have been working together and you two are the one to decide among yourself 20:58
jkolliewho's better for the task right now20:58
gabriel_jetroSo dcammue you want to take the lead right?20:59
dcammueThanks jkollie , that question is for us. But jetroweb decide 20:59
gabriel_jetroSince svaye ain't active and you're..20:59
dcammuegabriel_jetro: if I trust myself that I can handle the task, I am willing 21:00
gabriel_jetroWe can't decide because Jeff was the one who put her there and she has been delivering but since she's ain't active right I think Jeff want us to make a chance 21:00
dcammueYou know how things been working here. You know who more focus on the field 21:01
dcammueSo you can choose too21:01
gabriel_jetroTo be honest as things is recently I often use to called svaye to remind her about meeting because of my absence I think that's why she missed meeting 21:01
dcammue*your21:01
gabriel_jetroBut she's providing solution for the coop...21:01
gabriel_jetroSo I don't think we should change her, she's best at it right now 21:02
dcammuegabriel_jetro: Jeff said we decided and he will approve 21:02
svaye_gabriel_jetro, 21:02
svaye_I believe dcammue should take the position 21:02
gabriel_jetroSo I decide she remain but I don't know for the others 21:02
svaye_He has an advantage over, he has his focus on one thing21:03
svaye_me*21:03
gabriel_jetroNo svaye you're saying it out of anger because you don't want to compete with your position so just remain because you're providing solution and you've come far I trust 21:04
svaye_I am not angry gabriel_jetro , we need someone who's more focus right21:04
jkolliegabriel_jetro21:04
gabriel_jetroEveryone has their busy schedule and most of us get or need reminder for meeting as I mentioned I was once the reminder for svaye_ that's why she used to be active 21:05
jkollielet's try to understand the situation better21:05
freenaGood night guys, my phone will go off anytime from now. 21:05
svaye_Everyone knows I am attending AMEU reading biology and things are getting more intense as I level up, but dcammue is focus on accounting at UL.21:06
dcammuefreena: 21:06
dcammueInput21:06
freenaInput on what dcammue ??21:06
gabriel_jetroFor me svaye_ continue 21:07
dcammueYou did right?21:07
svaye_gabriel_jetro, 21:07
svaye_gabriel_jetro, inbox21:07
gabriel_jetroYes svaye_ that's it 21:07
jkolliegabriel_jetro lets understand this better and make the right decision we don't want offense21:09
thomasboimahOkay, guys i think everyone has give their input, I am impressive the svaye_ is think for the coop best interest21:09
thomasboimah*that*21:09
thomasboimahgabriel_jetro, Did you understand the situation here?21:09
gabriel_jetroYes I do, we need someone to be more active 21:10
freenaSee you all tomorrow guys, everyone here knows that my phone has been giving me headache since and that's the mean reason I asked for one of the phones that Jeff sent cuz I don't have money to fixed my phone now. 21:10
gabriel_jetroAnd I understand why svaye_ ain't active recently 21:10
dcammueThis is not based on being active only it is both active and focus on the task21:11
thomasboimahI don't think you understand the situation here gabriel_jetro, svaye_ and dcammue been working together for a while now and they know one another strength21:11
gabriel_jetroHmmm 21:12
thomasboimahAnd she give a good reason where dcammue should go for the position, Since he have more advantage21:12
gabriel_jetroI understand the both side and also why svaye_ is saying this 21:13
gabriel_jetroBase on the record she has also been providing solution even though she have multi task, but Jeff has said it once, she's talented 21:14
thomasboimahI think this meeting is getting too long21:14
gabriel_jetro+121:15
jkolliealright let me say what I have to say 21:15
jkollieFirstly to get things clear jetro can only afford to pay two staff person right and because of this21:16
jkolliethe team now need to look at the two major things jetro need a web development team and a book keeper so since 21:18
jkollieboth dcammue and svaye are doing the same task and and both of them can amdit who's really is avaliable most to perform the task not because21:20
freenaEveryone here understand that jkollie 21:22
jkolliewe think the other can not, but because jetro need someone that is avaliable, focus and can get things done so svaye and dcammue21:22
dcammuejkollie: just choose one person that's all21:23
jkollieI think you both need to negotiate and again I decide21:23
dcammueAnd freena choose one person 21:23
dcammuethomasboimah: choose one and gabriel_jetro choose one 21:24
dcammueThen we close the meeting 21:24
thomasboimahdcammue, svaye_ already choose you21:24
svaye_do we really need to choose? I already said dcammue can take the position21:24
jkollieI cant choose if I dont know who really is better for the task21:24
thomasboimahI don't think there is a need to choose again21:24
dcammueOK, I think the length of this meeting has come to an end.  Let leave the log with Jeff so after reading it,  he can approve who best need the position. Thanks to all.21:25
gabriel_jetroI choose svaye_ that's it guys, because she's talented and doing her Job well 21:25
dcammueMeeting over21:25
thomasboimahOkay guys bye21:25
dcammueSee you guys 21:25
thomasboimahACTION leaving21:25
gabriel_jetroGuys once again I'll try to be fully active base on my Mom recovery, please inform Jeff about it in meeting21:25
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jkollieDcammue and svaye you both need to be honest to yourself21:26
dcammuegabriel_jetro: Jeff fully in the note21:26
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jkollieand make the right decision for jetro21:26
svaye_jkollie, I will not stop doing my work for jetro just because I am not a staff person.21:27
svaye_This meeting is not for who will do the job, but who will take the pay.21:27
jkollieI understand svaye21:28
jkollieI just need you both to negotiate 21:29
jkollieokay people I think I need to leave21:32
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