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| svaye | Good morning dcammue | 11:43 |
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| svaye | How are you doing? | 11:43 |
| svaye | I am sorry if you took the mail I sent the wrong way, I wasn't demanding it. I was just requesting. | 11:44 |
| svaye | Good morning thomasboimah and gabriel_jetro | 11:57 |
| thomasboimah | Good morning svaye dcammue and gabriel_jetro | 11:57 |
| svaye | How are you thomasboimah | 11:58 |
| svaye | Good morning jelkner | 11:58 |
| jelkner | Good day svaye, dcammue, thomasboimah, and gabriel_jetro | 11:58 |
| gabriel_jetro | Good morning jelkner and everyone | 11:59 |
| thomasboimah | Yesterday I worked with Zonny. We completed the blog app integration for Secosol and deployed it https://secosol.us/blog/. Today, I will be on Django documentation reading and also looking into how we can migrate our PostgreSQL database server to MayFirst. No blockers. | 11:59 |
| jelkner | Yesterday i worked on lessons for the week. Today i'll teach classes then begin preparing for my medical procedure on thurs and leaving for Mexico on friday. No blockers. | 12:00 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| mulbah | Over the weekend I been going over Django and my linux command and await Cjone to view my PR | 12:00 |
| mulbah | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| jkollie | On Saturday I attended the meeting with the team on jistis meet, I also got a response from Tony in NoVASEN and send him my email to add me as an admin. Today I'll check the NoVASEN site and continue with the book. | 12:00 |
| jkollie | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| gabriel_jetro | I wasn't having internet over the weekend so I didn't work | 12:00 |
| gabriel_jetro | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| svaye | Yesterday I sent out a few mails to the team and I also had a brief meeting with thomasboimah last night where we decided to move in the office Friday December 19, because daniel has to take care his grandma and won't be available today. blocking on jelkner respond to the mail I sent yesterday. | 12:01 |
| svaye | ACTION done | 12:01 |
| jelkner | jelkner is going to respond now, svaye | 12:01 |
| jelkner | what we need now more than anything is for y'all to really step up and learn to run your co-op. | 12:01 |
| gabriel_jetro | +1 | 12:02 |
| jelkner | What does that mean regarding your emails, svaye? Well, it means it should not be my decision how you allocate your available assets. | 12:02 |
| jelkner | i'm just the donor | 12:02 |
| jelkner | you need to figure that out | 12:02 |
| dcammue | Yesterday, I attended the sat and sun meeting and made some research on IRS , today, I was able to get the final tax form for NovaWebDev and I will be doing more research on it. We was to move in the office today, but due to delay of painting the place by the house owner, we will move Wednesday. | 12:02 |
| dcammue | ACTION done | 12:02 |
| thomasboimah | That's what i told her yesterday jelkner | 12:03 |
| jelkner | i got involved last time because i thought you were not doing what needed to be done, and i wanted to help | 12:03 |
| thomasboimah | It is for the team to decide not jelkner | 12:03 |
| jelkner | +1! | 12:03 |
| jelkner | all jelkner will decide is the limits of the funding he can provide | 12:03 |
| svaye | +1 jelkner, I understand now | 12:04 |
| thomasboimah | We need to get in the habit to make decision for our self if we are going to run a business | 12:04 |
| jelkner | so, svaye | 12:04 |
| jelkner | you all need to try to work together | 12:04 |
| jelkner | it will sometimes be a struggle | 12:04 |
| jelkner | human relations are just that way | 12:04 |
| jelkner | but success means you are able to do it well enough to thrive | 12:04 |
| thomasboimah | yep! | 12:05 |
| jelkner | great | 12:05 |
| gabriel_jetro | +2 | 12:05 |
| gabriel_jetro | +1 | 12:05 |
| jelkner | lol | 12:05 |
| svaye | Thanks for the clarification jelkner | 12:05 |
| jelkner | sure thing, svaye | 12:05 |
| gabriel_jetro | jelkner: after you done lemme know I want to come in with what I understand | 12:05 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 12:06 |
| jelkner | gabriel_jetro: go ahead please, i have to get ready for class soon | 12:06 |
| svaye | dcammue, how's your grandma doing now? | 12:07 |
| svaye | Will everyone be available Friday for us to move in the office? | 12:07 |
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| thomasboimah | jelkner, please let me know when you students ready to start on this site: https://anccfoundation.org/ | 12:08 |
| thomasboimah | I want to be involve | 12:08 |
| thomasboimah | *your* | 12:08 |
| jelkner | We need you to be involved, thomasboimah! | 12:09 |
| jelkner | but if you remember from our meeting on saturday, zOnny will take the first round | 12:09 |
| gabriel_jetro | Okay firstly as you said we're a team and we need to work together, we're becoming professional and each of us have our own roles in the cooperate, as a business manager, I understand that it's svaye duty to collect all necessary information regarding the business and make a report, for the previous funds send, she have not been involved in transaction and secondly you give her the role to act as a staff person and we | 12:09 |
| gabriel_jetro | have not decided to change her at this moment, so we need to be more precise | 12:09 |
| dcammue | My grandmother is cool | 12:09 |
| dcammue | But not really healthy yet | 12:09 |
| svaye | jelkner, how far with the plan for the laptop campaign? You stated once that you wanted jetroweb to build the website. | 12:09 |
| svaye | dcammue, do you think you will be available Friday? | 12:10 |
| jelkner | gabriel_jetro: thanks for bringing this up | 12:10 |
| jelkner | perhaps this will help clarify | 12:10 |
| jelkner | from this point forward i am no longer sending monthly stipends | 12:10 |
| jelkner | instead, SJC offered a $15K grant to help you all launch your business | 12:11 |
| jelkner | so far, $10K of that has been delivered | 12:11 |
| jelkner | with $5K more to come | 12:11 |
| jelkner | you have to figure out how to use that to begin generating revenue for yourselves | 12:11 |
| jelkner | we still have a lot of things to work out | 12:12 |
| jelkner | especially the process of billing and collecting efficiently | 12:12 |
| jelkner | so whatever "roles" you had in the past are now up to you | 12:12 |
| jelkner | if you don't choose wisely, you will fail | 12:13 |
| jelkner | if you do choose wisely, you can succeed | 12:13 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 12:13 |
| svaye | jelkner, does that mean we can do away with the $400 per staff person and set up a new payroll that would include everyone that is working at the moment? | 12:13 |
| jelkner | You can now manage all your funds as a collective with out me. | 12:13 |
| gabriel_jetro | +1, jelkner | 12:14 |
| svaye | +1 | 12:14 |
| jelkner | Let's begin 2026 with a keen focus on the sustainability part of this | 12:14 |
| jelkner | i'm convinced that thomasboimah is ready for paid work | 12:15 |
| jelkner | i'm just telling you that so you understand | 12:15 |
| gabriel_jetro | I bring this to your attention because I had a conversation with dcammue the other day and he said the money allocated to the coop was only going for the staff personal | 12:15 |
| jelkner | i'll be happy to be his first customer, since i have a lot of work that needs doing, and he is ready to do it | 12:15 |
| dcammue | No gabriel_jetro | 12:15 |
| thomasboimah | yep! and i will be happy to have you as my customer | 12:16 |
| dcammue | That's not what I said | 12:16 |
| svaye | dcammue, can you please send me the info of the credit card so I can be able to pay my fees at Uopeople without disturbing you all the time? | 12:16 |
| jelkner | I love y'all dearly, my friends, but only thomasboimah has convinced me so far he is ready to deliver work i am willing to pay for ;-) | 12:16 |
| jelkner | on the dev side | 12:16 |
| jelkner | i am also very pleased with the initiative jkollie has shown in our decidim work | 12:16 |
| dcammue | I told you that the money in the bank account currently is the staffs paid for February | 12:16 |
| jelkner | and dcammue is beginning to convince me he will soon be ready to do books | 12:17 |
| jelkner | but not yet | 12:17 |
| dcammue | So we can not take money to distribute it to you guys | 12:17 |
| jelkner | this is just my advice, since you can do whatever you want at this point with your assets | 12:17 |
| jelkner | they are yours | 12:17 |
| jelkner | if you don't use them to generate new ones | 12:18 |
| jelkner | you will fail | 12:18 |
| jelkner | does that make sense? | 12:18 |
| svaye | +1 | 12:18 |
| thomasboimah | yep! | 12:18 |
| jelkner | i think you should start learning to have each of you track the work they do | 12:18 |
| svaye | dcammue, | 12:18 |
| jelkner | and have the co-op in business meetings figure out which work is needed | 12:18 |
| dcammue | svaye: | 12:19 |
| jelkner | and which work you wan to pay for | 12:19 |
| jelkner | have "deliverables" to keep people accountable | 12:19 |
| svaye | dcammue, please answer the question I just asked | 12:19 |
| thomasboimah | jelkner, I want to get thing clear I am still a staff person right? | 12:19 |
| thomasboimah | And i still get my $400 salary per month right? | 12:20 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: technically, since i am not sending monthly stipends, i can't make that decision | 12:20 |
| jelkner | but i ill say that if your comrades don't continue to pay you | 12:20 |
| svaye | thomasboimah, jelkner is no longer sending stipend, so we get paid based on the work we do | 12:20 |
| jelkner | they are crazy! | 12:20 |
| jelkner | since you are the closest thing Jetro has to being a real business | 12:20 |
| jelkner | i just want everyone to understand that you now need to manage your resources | 12:21 |
| jelkner | you need to understand what is coming in, what is going out | 12:21 |
| jelkner | and whether those numbers tell a story of viability | 12:22 |
| jelkner | i'm *not* going to be sending separate transfers | 12:22 |
| jelkner | it that much clear? | 12:22 |
| svaye | jelkner, There are three roles that are needed in the business right now. | 12:22 |
| thomasboimah | not still clear to me jelkner, | 12:23 |
| jelkner | tell us, svaye | 12:23 |
| dcammue | jelkner: | 12:23 |
| svaye | 1. Web developer, thomasboimah handles it well | 12:23 |
| svaye | 2. Bookkeeper. dcammue has more knowledge in that area as of now. | 12:24 |
| dcammue | What brought this whole conversation is that svaye wants to know if there are three staff members that you are aware of | 12:24 |
| jelkner | this is a great conversation, dcammue | 12:24 |
| jelkner | it shows how far Jetro has come | 12:24 |
| jelkner | i'm loving it! | 12:24 |
| jelkner | keep going, svaye | 12:25 |
| jelkner | you mentioned 2, what's the 3rd? | 12:25 |
| dcammue | And who are they? Please tell her for clarification | 12:25 |
| svaye | 3. Business manager. dcammue and I was on this position but it's better he focuses on bookkeeping, if we want to move forward we need to master our position. | 12:25 |
| jelkner | ok, let me make a few suggestions | 12:25 |
| jelkner | then y'all can do what you want, since it is *YOUR* business, not mine | 12:26 |
| jelkner | you can divide up your resources any way you want | 12:26 |
| jelkner | so, you could, for example, do something like this: | 12:26 |
| jelkner | We think thomasboimah is our main potential revenue generator right now, since he is ready to charge for his Django skills, and he works long hours for us. | 12:27 |
| jelkner | So we'll continue to allocate $400 per month to him. | 12:27 |
| jelkner | dcammue has been doing a lot with finances, and svaye is willing to make more time available for the co-op now to help manage the projects, so we'll allocate $200 (or whatever you decide) each month to them. | 12:28 |
| jelkner | jkollie has been doing great work with decidim, and we may be able to reach out to NOVASEN and ask if her work can be billable now | 12:29 |
| jelkner | with clear deliverables | 12:29 |
| jelkner | then we can pay her a portion of what comes in from that too | 12:29 |
| jelkner | you'll need to learn to begin to keep financial records | 12:29 |
| svaye | I am not discussing the resources now jelkner if we understand our roles we will know how to bill for it, and who to run to if a problem occurs. I know you want it to be two point of contact but we are not in the number for that. It's better we have someone who understand their job than two people going in circle trying to figure out what they are doing. | 12:29 |
| jelkner | so you can do financial management | 12:29 |
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| jelkner | NOVA Web is learning the same thing along with you | 12:30 |
| jelkner | we don't know how to do it yet either :-( | 12:30 |
| jelkner | So we're all learning together | 12:30 |
| jelkner | but as the old man here who has failed to make NOVA Web work 3 times before | 12:30 |
| jelkner | i know what we need to make work | 12:30 |
| jelkner | i just don't know how to do it yet | 12:30 |
| jelkner | svaye: i was just giving you an example | 12:31 |
| jelkner | you all can do whatever you want | 12:31 |
| jelkner | it's *YOUR* business | 12:31 |
| svaye | jelkner, management is where I am talking about, we can't have one person doing bookkeeping and management of the same book. | 12:31 |
| jelkner | svaye: the small web co-ops i know of | 12:32 |
| jelkner | all have had a single "office manager" | 12:32 |
| jelkner | who acted as business manager and bookkeeper | 12:32 |
| jelkner | you are small | 12:33 |
| svaye | It will be like giving a steak to a lion to keep. we don't have to put dcammue in a tight spot. | 12:33 |
| thomasboimah | yes that what i though too jelkner and bookkeeper can be a business manager | 12:33 |
| jelkner | the office management expense in an operating expense | 12:33 |
| jelkner | paying for it needs to come out of what you generate from your billable work | 12:33 |
| jelkner | that's one of the reasons so many small solidarity economy ecosystems end up offering bookkeeping as a service | 12:34 |
| jelkner | since they need to learn to do it for themselves anyway | 12:34 |
| svaye | dcammue, and I can split the pay and the work, he can be the bookkeeper while I be the business manager | 12:34 |
| jelkner | since they can't afford to pay someone else | 12:34 |
| jelkner | once they learn, the figure "why don't we offer this skill we now have to customers?" | 12:34 |
| jelkner | SECOSOL, SJC, and NOVA Web all depended on APS student volunteers | 12:35 |
| jelkner | to do our taxes and financial management last year | 12:35 |
| jelkner | that isn't sustainable | 12:35 |
| jelkner | since the students are volunteers | 12:35 |
| jelkner | and if they are busy or can't otherwise provide the service, we have no recourse | 12:36 |
| jelkner | so i was suggesting that if y'all could learn to do the bookkeeping and taxes for SJC and NOVA Web this year | 12:36 |
| jelkner | you could bill us for your time | 12:36 |
| jelkner | bu that means you have to work hard! | 12:37 |
| jelkner | and deliver the service | 12:37 |
| jelkner | i need to go everyone | 12:37 |
| jelkner | anything else for me before i do? | 12:37 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: i get that you are feeling less than secure | 12:37 |
| svaye | jelkner, the bookkeeping is not the main problem here. getting access to the tax system of America is. | 12:38 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 12:38 |
| jelkner | since before i could just say, "yes, thomasboimah gets $400" | 12:38 |
| jelkner | but now you need to get your 6 other Jetro comrades to do that | 12:38 |
| jelkner | i'll just add that if they decide not to support you, they will be telling me that they don't want to succeed | 12:39 |
| dcammue | Thanks for the time, jelkner | 12:39 |
| jelkner | since you are the closest thing right now to a "marketable product" they have | 12:39 |
| dcammue | This is getting more critical now | 12:39 |
| jelkner | do you all understand what you need to do? | 12:40 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 12:40 |
| dcammue | Yes I do | 12:40 |
| jelkner | sweet | 12:40 |
| svaye | jelkner, thomasboimah is a staff person of jetroweb so he would definitely get his pay. | 12:40 |
| jelkner | this is very encouraging | 12:40 |
| jelkner | since you are asking the kinds of questions that indicate how far you've come | 12:41 |
| jelkner | ok, cjones is here, i gotta go | 12:41 |
| thomasboimah | Okay thanks jelkner | 12:41 |
| jelkner | see you wednesday, same time, same place | 12:41 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off til wednesday | 12:41 |
| svaye | Have a wonderful day jelkner, thanks for the time | 12:41 |
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| svaye | thomasboimah, dcammue gabriel_jetro jkollie | 12:41 |
| gabriel_jetro | Yes, svaye | 12:42 |
| svaye | will you guys be available to move in on Friday? | 12:42 |
| gabriel_jetro | I don't know the place but I'll be available if necessary, svaye | 12:43 |
| dcammue | We was to do that today not Friday, but the place is not painted complete | 12:43 |
| dcammue | So hopefully Wednesday | 12:43 |
| thomasboimah | dcammue, and svaye i want to ask | 12:43 |
| dcammue | Go ahead | 12:44 |
| thomasboimah | it just come to my mind but Jeff has left | 12:44 |
| svaye | dcammue, I said Friday because I don't when people will be available especially you. | 12:44 |
| svaye | what is it thomasboimah | 12:44 |
| thomasboimah | base on this who is going to pay for jkollie work: <jelkner> jkollie has been doing great work with decidim, and we may be able to reach out to NOVASEN and ask if her work can be billable now | 12:44 |
| thomasboimah | <jelkner> with clear deliverables | 12:44 |
| svaye | NOVASEN | 12:45 |
| thomasboimah | How they are going to do that? | 12:45 |
| svaye | She will work for NOVASEN then they will pay her for her work | 12:46 |
| thomasboimah | Who's responsibility to reach out to them? | 12:46 |
| thomasboimah | to bill for the work she is going to be doing | 12:47 |
| dcammue | Business personal | 12:47 |
| gabriel_jetro | I think it'll be svaye, thomasboimah | 12:47 |
| svaye | First we have to know if the is billable at the moment | 12:47 |
| svaye | jkollie, do you have the mail address for NOVASEN? | 12:48 |
| thomasboimah | So what i understand | 12:48 |
| thomasboimah | for now on | 12:48 |
| thomasboimah | Who so ever that is going to be pay need to show us what the do before we pay them | 12:49 |
| svaye | thomasboimah, you are the only one who gets paid from our bank account | 12:49 |
| thomasboimah | *from* | 12:49 |
| thomasboimah | *they( | 12:49 |
| thomasboimah | is the right?? | 12:49 |
| dcammue | Yes | 12:49 |
| thomasboimah | Okay now i understand | 12:49 |
| svaye | if we decide to give each member something to keep on online that can be agreed upon | 12:49 |
| thomasboimah | thanks | 12:49 |
| svaye | You are welcome | 12:50 |
| thomasboimah | All clear to me now. | 12:50 |
| svaye | dcammue, can you please send me the info of the credit card, so I can pay my fees at Uopeople? | 12:51 |
| svaye | dcammue, | 12:53 |
| gabriel_jetro | Bye guys | 12:53 |
| dcammue | Ask the team | 12:53 |
| gabriel_jetro | ACTION leaving | 12:53 |
| svaye | gabriel_jetro, wait | 12:53 |
| dcammue | thomasboimah: | 12:54 |
| svaye | for what dcammue? | 12:54 |
| thomasboimah | yes dcammue | 12:54 |
| gabriel_jetro | Okay | 12:54 |
| dcammue | svaye: ask again | 12:54 |
| thomasboimah | svaye, input on the sharing the info | 12:54 |
| thomasboimah | my* | 12:54 |
| svaye | thomasboimah, jkollie gabriel_jetro can dcammue send me the credit card info so I can pay my Uopeople fees online | 12:55 |
| gabriel_jetro | You don't need to share it here dcammue send it to her privately | 12:55 |
| svaye | I am not asking for the card dcammue just the info | 12:55 |
| svaye | not* | 12:56 |
| thomasboimah | just an advice it is not good to she can info through phone or something, because you may not be the one to use the card info to buy something online but some can mistakenly take it from behine and do that, so for me you and dcammue should meet and pay for you guys fees. and beside it is Jeff suppose to pay for you guys fees not Jetro | 12:57 |
| svaye | dcammue, | 12:57 |
| thomasboimah | They money in the bank now, from what i understand is for Jetro start up not to pay for school fees | 12:58 |
| thomasboimah | If i am wrong please make me understand | 12:58 |
| svaye | alright thomasboimah, I will ask Jeff on wednesday | 12:58 |
| thomasboimah | Okay | 12:59 |
| svaye | thomasboimah, | 12:59 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 12:59 |
| svaye | I tried putting my grades on nextclould but jeff said he could see it , can you help me with that | 13:00 |
| svaye | not* | 13:00 |
| thomasboimah | yes, when can do it like this | 13:00 |
| thomasboimah | *we* | 13:00 |
| thomasboimah | you can share your grade with me i can put it on the server, then you can ask Jeff to get it from their. what you think. or better still be can try to put in on nextcloud. which one you prefer? | 13:02 |
| svaye | https://share.mayfirst.org/s/gctp78xo6trXQX7 can you access this | 13:02 |
| thomasboimah | yes svaye it work | 13:03 |
| thomasboimah | I can access it | 13:03 |
| svaye | I can send it to him right? | 13:03 |
| thomasboimah | yes | 13:04 |
| svaye | Alright thanks | 13:05 |
| svaye | dcammue, will we move in Wednesday? | 13:05 |
| dcammue | +1 | 13:05 |
| svaye | by what time? | 13:06 |
| dcammue | Your convenience time | 13:06 |
| svaye | have you purchase the things for the office? | 13:06 |
| dcammue | Not yet | 13:07 |
| svaye | when do you plan to do it, I would like to go with you | 13:07 |
| dcammue | thomasboimah: please don't forget to check if the guys done with the painting | 13:08 |
| thomasboimah | okay bro | 13:08 |
| dcammue | The time of move in svaye | 13:08 |
| dcammue | Thanks thomasboimah | 13:08 |
| svaye | Alright dcammue, will 12:30 be okay with you because it will be after the stand up meeting | 13:09 |
| dcammue | Alright | 13:10 |
| dcammue | Please inform the others | 13:10 |
| svaye | Freena and mulbah? | 13:11 |
| dcammue | thomasboimah: can wr get the bank statements for November? On Wednesday | 13:11 |
| thomasboimah | No problem bro | 13:12 |
| thomasboimah | dcammue, | 13:12 |
| thomasboimah | everyone can go to buy the office material, the other people can meet at the office to clear it while the other go and buy the things need for the office | 13:13 |
| thomasboimah | *not* | 13:13 |
| thomasboimah | If everyone go to buy the office material the transportation will be too much | 13:13 |
| svaye | +1 | 13:14 |
| svaye | three of us can go then the rest can wait at the place | 13:14 |
| jkollie | Okay | 13:15 |
| svaye | how do you guys see it | 13:16 |
| dcammue | Sure | 13:17 |
| dcammue | I agree with you thomasboimah | 13:17 |
| thomasboimah | so Who's go buy the office material and who's go clean it? | 13:18 |
| jkollie | svaye: | 13:18 |
| svaye | dcammue, and thomasboimah can go and buy the office material | 13:18 |
| thomasboimah | you don | 13:19 |
| svaye | I will go to the office space to clean up | 13:19 |
| svaye | yes jkollie | 13:19 |
| jkollie | Do you want me to send you NoVASEN address? | 13:20 |
| thomasboimah | jkollie, address for what? | 13:20 |
| svaye | yeah | 13:20 |
| jkollie | Okay | 13:20 |
| jkollie | Just type: novasen.org/ | 13:21 |
| svaye | alright thanks | 13:21 |
| thomasboimah | Alright bye | 13:23 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION signing off | 13:23 |
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| svaye | ACTION signs off | 13:24 |
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