IRC log of #jetrowebdev for Friday, 2026-02-20

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fkoikoiGood morning jelkner 11:47
jelknerGood morning fkoikoi 11:51
jelknerdcammue, did you get the spreadsheet i shared with you?11:51
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dcammuewhere did you placed the spearsheet?11:54
jelknerNextcloud, dcammue 11:59
jelknerbut I shared it with the dcammue user (which i hope is you ;-)11:59
jelknerso you should have received a notification somewhere.11:59
jelknerthomasboimah: could you help dcammue with that?11:59
thomasboimahsure11:59
thomasboimahon it11:59
jelknerYesterday I got a good start on my UoPeople assignments, and spent time working on SECOSOL's needs.  I created a spreadsheet on nextcloud to compute payroll, and shared it with dcammue.  I used Deepseek for help with legal questions regarding our proposed hiring of current board members as staff, which i posted here: https://codeberg.org/jelkner/SolidarityEconomyNotes/src/branch/main/SECOSOL. No blockers, but going into our Sunday meeting with high 12:00
jelknerexpectations!12:00
thomasboimahYesterday, I was able to successfully run Matorral locally using the legacy-code branch with both Hatch and Docker. I documented the setup process in a Markdown file: https://github.com/tboimah/jetrowebdevelopment/blob/main/matorral_project_setup_guide.md. Later today, I will be on HexChat with the dev team. No blockers.12:00
jelknerACTION done12:00
thomasboimahACTION done12:00
dcammue+1 i saw it12:00
fkoikoiYesterday, I did a research on the actual role of a admin on the platform and I also got a clear understanding of how the aspect of creating a proposal, meetings and a participatory process works. later Today i plan to do a demo/practice on the platform to get a clear picture of what I read on and also tried to set a meeting to see if the platform can actually host a online meeting.12:00
fkoikoiACTION done12:00
jelknerfkoikoi: let's talk about that12:00
fkoikoiokay jelkner12:01
jelknerwe don't want "demos" on our NoVASEN Decidim12:01
jelknerwe need to learn by having real projects12:01
jelknersince "demos" will distract from our mission12:01
jelknerand weaken our effort12:01
jelkneryou don't need to create a demo, fkoikoi 12:02
jelknerwe have one12:02
jelknerthe school proposal i made last week12:02
jelknerplease use that as a real example of using Decidim as a tool for deciding12:02
svayeI was looking on the internet and came across the book jelkner said we would write about bookkeeping, so an idea came to me to write my contribution, jelkner you can take a look at it here https://codeberg.org/klarios/Business_Management/src/branch/main/svaye.md. today I will continue and look forward to your feedback. No blockers12:02
svayeACTION done12:02
fkoikoigot that but12:02
jelknerWe want to get the organization to agree in principle to help us with the school project12:03
jelknerthat's what we need Decidim for, to help us make our case12:03
jelknerand win people over to supporting us12:03
jelknerso let's really focus on that12:03
jelknerwe know what a "win" looks like12:04
jelknerit means NoVASEN agrees in principle to help support the project12:04
jelknerit's still complicated12:04
jelknersince NoVASEN has no formal way to make decisions yet12:04
jelknerit has no formal governance12:04
jelknerso moving this proposal will help with that too12:05
jelknerThese notes look good svaye 12:05
fkoikoias for the meeting component, the first platform couldn't host a meeting so i need to try that and see if it works here jelkner because that will also help in getting people to make decision using the platform12:05
jelknerKeep in mind that i am learning all this stuff too in my MBA program12:06
jelknerI will tell you that it is often painful for me12:06
jelknerSince everything we learn is implicitly from the point of view of capitalists12:06
jelknerAnd if you know me by now, you know i *hate* capitalists!!!!!12:06
jelknerlol12:06
jelknerit is evil12:07
jelknerextractive12:07
jelknerit views some human beings as having more worth than other human beings12:07
jelknerwe need to survive in this system until we can change12:07
jelknerit12:07
jelknerso i'm sucking it up and putting myself through the torture of learning how to do business under capitalist social relations12:08
jelknerwhile still hopefully trying to hold on to some humanity12:08
jelknerthat's not easy12:08
jelknerACTION gets off his soap box and stops ranting12:09
jelknerthomasboimah: *amazing* work with Matorral!12:09
jelknercjones told me yesterday he filed an issue with improvements to their documentation12:10
jelknerwhich was already accepted!12:10
jelknerthat's a *really* good sign12:10
thomasboimahsure12:10
jelknerif we can contribute meaningfully to their project, we will learn a lot12:10
jelknerdo good12:10
svayejelkner, like my social science lecturer said it's the mindset that brings about change, so let's keep doing what we can to make this world a better place for everyone12:11
jelknerand prove ourselves ready for the real world12:11
jelkneri'm with you svaye, about making the world a better place for everyone12:11
jelknerbut we can't eat mindset, so we need land, labor and capital to make change too12:12
jelknerwe need power over our material conditions12:12
jelknerto build houses12:12
jelknergrow crops12:12
jelknermake clothing12:12
jelkneretc.12:12
svayeI agree jelkner, but all those things won't happen if we continue with the mindset of serving others and not getting what we deserve, if we settle for less, we will get less.12:14
jelkner+112:14
jelknerokie dokie thomasboimah, dcammue and gabriel, see you at 11 EST, right?12:14
thomasboimahyes12:15
gabrielokay12:15
jelknerto follow up on thomasboimah's great work from yesterday12:15
jelknerremember thomasboimah, we are moving into a new phase now12:15
jelkner*You* are the one with skills, not me.12:15
jelknerI'm just a lowly project manger from now on...12:15
dcammuejelkner, my apology for not being with you guys today, i will be going see my grandmother. she sent for me12:16
jelkneri'll help with communications and planning12:16
jelknerbut you'll be in charge of making the process happen12:16
thomasboimahAlright12:16
jelknerthis is *so* wonderful!12:16
jelkneri've been waiting for this to happen for a few years now12:16
dcammuei will hopefully be back on sunday12:16
jelknerdcammue?12:17
jelkneri didn't catch that12:17
dcammue jelkner, my apology for not being with you guys today, i will be going see my grandmother. she sent for me.12:17
jelkneryou are going somewhere?12:17
jelknerno problem, my dear friend12:17
jelkneryour grandmother needs you12:17
dcammuei will hopefully be back on Sunday12:17
jelknerwe are a coop12:18
jelknerco-op12:18
jelknerbetter to use the dash, or it looks like chicken coop ;-)12:18
jelknera different word12:18
jelkneranyway, the goal is for us to have rich, loving, happy, meaningful lives12:18
jelknerto be as human as we can be12:19
jelknerlike svaye was saying a few minutes ago12:19
jelknerso if your grandmother needs you12:19
jelkneryou go to her12:19
jelknerto survive, we need to make sure enough of us are where we need to be to get done what needs to get done12:19
jelknerand by organizing ourselves well, and keeping each other responsible, we can achieve that goal i think12:20
jelknerok, see you sunday dcammue 12:20
dcammueokay12:20
jelkneror when you get back12:20
dcammuenice day12:20
jelknerbtw. all, mr. zawolo is going to go with me on April 1st to the liberian embassy to get my VISA12:21
jelknerso i'm happy about that12:21
jelkneri have to go12:21
dcammuethat's great12:21
jelknersee you at 11 EST devs12:21
dcammuenice day12:21
svayeHave a wonderful day jelkner 12:21
jelkneri'll be here at 7 am tomorrow morning for our next meeting, with zOnny12:22
jelknerbye y'all!12:22
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thomasboimahHi Karaaaaa 16:30
thomasboimahSorry about yesterday i lost track of the time16:30
Karaaaaahi!16:30
Karaaaaathats fine, i wasn't sure you were coming anyway16:30
thomasboimahcan you start tmate now so that we can complete the test for the bowling game?16:30
Karaaaaayes16:30
thomasboimahThanks16:30
Karaaaaa ssh CQQ8jCKRcMDfs8aTupyu9TBSN@sfo2.tmate.io16:31
jgurarahi16:31
gabrielhi jgurara16:34
gabrielcan we contine16:34
gabriel*continue16:35
jguraraok16:35
gabrielsend me your ssh16:35
jguraraok16:35
jgurarassh DzPyKNH9nxKs9yGEwDVLZxeJE@nyc1.tmate.io16:36
gabrieli'll message you privately so we can chat there16:37
gabrielas usual16:37
jguraraokay16:37
thomasboimahKaraaaaa, do you know where the error is coming from?16:37
Karaaaaalet me look one second16:37
thomasboimahclass BowlingGame:16:41
thomasboimah    def __init_(self):16:41
thomasboimah        self.rolls = []16:41
thomasboimah    def roll(self, pins):16:41
thomasboimah        self.rolls.append(pins)16:41
thomasboimah    def score(self):16:41
thomasboimah        return 016:41
thomasboimah~                     16:41
thomasboimahKaraaaaa, can you quit and send the link again?16:46
Karaaaaayes16:47
Karaaaaado you still need me to quit thomasboimah?16:47
thomasboimahyes16:48
Karaaaaaok16:48
Karaaaaassh TGMuRttYzPWLe2xuc5ASKjKPn@nyc1.tmate.io16:48
thomasboimahnice16:51
thomasboimahit was just a common _ was suffering us16:51
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Karaaaaabye!17:55
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