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| dcammue | Good morning jelkner | 11:53 |
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| thomasboimah | Greeting everyone! | 11:54 |
| thomasboimah | Yesterday, I worked with zOnny. We achieved 100% test coverage for the Business Tracker account app and fixed the issue Jeff filed on GitLab for BT: ("I can't add Linode to the servers I want to add." ) Today, I will be working on my UoPeople discussion forum and assignment and also meet with Jeff's students. No blockers. | 12:00 |
| dcammue | yesterday, I started updating the Jetro Web GnuCash book, today, i will continue updating it today. no blocker | 12:00 |
| dcammue | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| jelkner | Yesterday i sent the email about BT, and chatted and spoke with thomasboimah dcammue and zOnny. | 12:00 |
| jelkner | Today i will follow up with Kara, Josh and Ben on that. | 12:01 |
| jelkner | No blockers. | 12:01 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 12:01 |
| svaye | Over the week I started reading over headfirst html and css. I won't be at the office today, so thomasboimah dcammue and gabriel_jetro we can discuss the business plan on Wednesday | 12:01 |
| svaye | No blockers | 12:01 |
| svaye | ACTION done | 12:01 |
| jelkner | ok, i only have a few minutes | 12:02 |
| jelkner | can you all please discuss the email i sent, and let me know if you have questions | 12:03 |
| jelkner | i'll meet with cjones to discuss when he arrives too | 12:03 |
| jelkner | let's make a plan and get this in place by the end of the week | 12:04 |
| freena | During the week, I continue my html and css practice and I plan to continue today | 12:04 |
| freena | No blocker for me | 12:04 |
| jelkner | freena, svaye, that is great | 12:04 |
| jelkner | cjones teaches our web course now | 12:04 |
| jelkner | so you can reach out to him when you have questions about how to study | 12:04 |
| svaye | Alright jelkner | 12:05 |
| jelkner | it would be great to get you all certified in HTML and even JavaScript | 12:05 |
| jelkner | that's what we do with our 1st year students | 12:05 |
| jelkner | and even if your focus will be business | 12:05 |
| jelkner | for a web tech co-op, it will help if *everyone* has a basic understanding of HTML, CSS and JavaScript | 12:05 |
| jelkner | that should be a common understanding among all of us | 12:06 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah, dcammue, you will be in the Django class today, yes? | 12:06 |
| dcammue | Yes, one or two questions | 12:06 |
| jelkner | fast, dcammue | 12:06 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:06 |
| jelkner | i have to get ready for students | 12:06 |
| dcammue | so how can my comrades start to use the BT | 12:07 |
| dcammue | will you mentor them? | 12:07 |
| gabriel_jetro | jelkner | 12:07 |
| jelkner | no, *you* will! ;-) | 12:07 |
| dcammue | oh, i get you my friend | 12:07 |
| jelkner | dcammue, let's talk more during Django class | 12:07 |
| dcammue | i will | 12:07 |
| dcammue | okay | 12:08 |
| jelkner | you have to get used to that dcammue | 12:08 |
| dcammue | i will definitely | 12:08 |
| jelkner | the reason i suggest that thomasboimah and dcammue should be full time salaried staff is a workflow decision also | 12:08 |
| jelkner | i work with you two | 12:08 |
| jelkner | since you are here all the time and easy to reach | 12:08 |
| jelkner | and you two teach your Jetro comrades | 12:09 |
| jelkner | that's the plan | 12:09 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 12:09 |
| svaye | +1 | 12:09 |
| thomasboimah | +1 | 12:09 |
| mulbah | +1 | 12:09 |
| gabriel_jetro | +1 | 12:10 |
| dcammue | +1 | 12:10 |
| jelkner | so, today after i talk with cjones, i'll propose that we rebrand https://tracker.jetrowebdevelopment.org to https:tracker.sjcompute.org | 12:11 |
| freena | +1 | 12:11 |
| dcammue | okay | 12:11 |
| jelkner | then on Friday i'll propose to NOVA web that we take down our BT, and have all of us use this shared one for the coming period | 12:11 |
| jelkner | then i'll start to file issues for new features | 12:12 |
| dcammue | that way both JETRO and NOVA can be able to use it | 12:12 |
| jelkner | specifically the ToDo feature | 12:12 |
| jelkner | +1 | 12:12 |
| jelkner | ok, gotta go | 12:12 |
| dcammue | see you later | 12:12 |
| jelkner | i'm thinking two concrete goals for this week: | 12:12 |
| jelkner | 1. Get BT setup the way we want it. | 12:12 |
| jelkner | 2. Take down at least two more vms. | 12:12 |
| jelkner | maybe more | 12:12 |
| jelkner | but at least 2 | 12:13 |
| dcammue | sure | 12:14 |
| jelkner | ok, see you in a few hours | 12:16 |
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| thomasboimah | hi dcammue | 16:26 |
| dcammue | yeah thomasboimah | 16:26 |
| dcammue | how are you | 16:26 |
| thomasboimah | trying | 16:26 |
| dcammue | kool | 16:27 |
| jgurara | hi | 16:32 |
| thomasboimah | Hi jgurara | 16:32 |
| Karaaaaa | hello! | 16:33 |
| thomasboimah | Hi Karaaaaa | 16:33 |
| dcammue | Hello jgurara and jelkner | 16:34 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION going to the bathroom | 16:36 |
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| jelkner | hello dcammue | 16:39 |
| jelkner | hello jetro, anyone here? | 16:40 |
| dcammue | hello jelkner | 16:40 |
| dcammue | how was the up and down? | 16:41 |
| jelkner | up and down? | 16:41 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: the gang's all here | 16:41 |
| jelkner | let's jump in! | 16:41 |
| jelkner | Karaaaaa: can you briefly tell us what you told me about reaching out to the folks in Argentina? | 16:42 |
| Karaaaaa | yes | 16:42 |
| jelkner | while Karaaaaa is doing that | 16:42 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: what will it take to change the url of the BT we are going to use to tracker.sjcompute.org ? | 16:43 |
| Karaaaaa | so one of the devs responded to the discussion i created and said that we were welcome to contribute. he directed us towards their CONTRIBUTING.md file for guidelines | 16:43 |
| jelkner | nice Karaaaaa | 16:43 |
| jelkner | we should look at that | 16:43 |
| thomasboimah | That is really not going to be hard to do | 16:44 |
| jelkner | Karaaaaa, my first question is when will the new version be minimally working? | 16:44 |
| jelkner | so thomasboimah, when can it be done? | 16:44 |
| thomasboimah | Since i can just do that right on Mayfirst | 16:44 |
| jelkner | can we have it by wednesday? | 16:44 |
| jelkner | yes, i know | 16:44 |
| thomasboimah | sure | 16:44 |
| jelkner | great | 16:44 |
| thomasboimah | of you can have it by wednesday | 16:44 |
| thomasboimah | *course | 16:45 |
| jelkner | we'll start using it on wednesday then | 16:45 |
| Karaaaaa | he told me that right now is a good time, and there is no longer a warning that is still being developed | 16:45 |
| jelkner | today they can get it running on their own machines | 16:45 |
| jelkner | thanks, Karaaaaa | 16:45 |
| thomasboimah | just an update guys, my head is really aching, so I'm going to have to leave early by 5:00pm UTC to go to the pharmacy. Sorry about that! | 16:47 |
| jelkner | np thomasboimah | 16:48 |
| jelkner | take care of yourself | 16:48 |
| jelkner | they have what they need now | 16:48 |
| jelkner | today they will be setting up BT on their machines | 16:48 |
| thomasboimah | Thanks for the understanding jelkner | 16:48 |
| jelkner | wednesday you will have BT running under the url we will be using | 16:48 |
| jelkner | so go | 16:48 |
| jelkner | see you wednesday | 16:48 |
| jelkner | dcammue: you and i can chat a few minutes | 16:49 |
| thomasboimah | bye everyone | 16:49 |
| jelkner | i was going to be working on php | 16:49 |
| Karaaaaa | bye thomasboimah | 16:49 |
| jelkner | but Kendyl isn't here | 16:49 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION sign off to reach to the pharmacy | 16:49 |
| jelkner | so i can chat with you dcammue | 16:49 |
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| dcammue | okay jelkner | 16:50 |
| dcammue | hi Penrosian | 16:50 |
| jelkner | we've had a breakthrough on BT | 16:50 |
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| jelkner | so as business managers, dcammue, we need to set a clear goal of getting it setup to track our servers, our projects, our work hours, our tasks (ToDos) | 16:51 |
| jelkner | dcammue: what is the status of Starlink? | 16:51 |
| jelkner | have you looked into it? | 16:51 |
| dcammue | hold-on on Mr. Zawolo | 16:52 |
| jelkner | you mean funding? | 16:52 |
| jelkner | i'm asking about investigation first | 16:52 |
| jelkner | have you researched it well enough to feel confident we should do it? | 16:52 |
| dcammue | it is 380 USD here, and from 5o upward for per month | 16:53 |
| dcammue | +1 i did | 16:53 |
| jelkner | what do you mean 50 upward? | 16:53 |
| dcammue | it is supper strong | 16:53 |
| jelkner | remember, we are making a budget | 16:53 |
| jelkner | i heard it was fast and unlimited | 16:53 |
| jelkner | so it sounded like what we want | 16:53 |
| jelkner | but we need to watch the cost | 16:53 |
| jelkner | what do you mean 50 upward? | 16:54 |
| jelkner | how much will it cost per month | 16:54 |
| jelkner | i get the $380 one time cost | 16:54 |
| jelkner | i'm worried about the monthy fee | 16:54 |
| jelkner | what can you tell me? | 16:54 |
| dcammue | even local air ports are using it here for their traffic communication | 16:54 |
| dcammue | Yes, it is fast and unlimited | 16:54 |
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| jelkner | what about the cost? | 16:55 |
| dcammue | wow, just dropping | 16:55 |
| jelkner | lol, that's because you don't have starlink | 16:56 |
| dcammue | seems like LoneStar has network issue | 16:56 |
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| jelkner | so, my friend, you're still not answering my 50 upwards question | 16:57 |
| dcammue | The $50 upward is the monthly price | 16:57 |
| jelkner | what does "upward" mean? | 16:57 |
| jelkner | $100? | 16:58 |
| jelkner | $500? | 16:58 |
| jelkner | upward can be anything | 16:58 |
| jelkner | we can't write upward into our budget | 16:58 |
| jelkner | we need to know what that means | 16:58 |
| jelkner | does that make sense? | 16:58 |
| dcammue | We can pay $50 if we choose to or 100 per month | 16:58 |
| jelkner | why would we choose $100? | 16:58 |
| jelkner | what do you get for the extra cost? | 16:59 |
| jelkner | that's what you need to investigate | 16:59 |
| dcammue | +1 that means the month fees | 16:59 |
| jelkner | dcammue: we are talking in circles | 16:59 |
| jelkner | you're not understanding me | 16:59 |
| jelkner | ready? | 16:59 |
| dcammue | That why i said, the lower month cost is $50 | 17:00 |
| jelkner | dcammue: are you ready? | 17:00 |
| jelkner | tell me +1 or yes when you are ready | 17:00 |
| dcammue | Okay, make me understanding | 17:00 |
| jelkner | ok, you're the vendor | 17:00 |
| jelkner | i'm the customer | 17:00 |
| jelkner | mr. vendor, what is my monthly cost if i purchase startlink service from you? | 17:01 |
| jelkner | now you, mr. vendor, need to answer me | 17:01 |
| zOnny | Hello World! | 17:01 |
| jelkner | ACTION waits patiently for mr. vendor to answer | 17:01 |
| jelkner | zOnny: so great to see you here!!! | 17:02 |
| dcammue | 50, 100 or 150 it is optional | 17:02 |
| jelkner | lol | 17:02 |
| zOnny | jelkner: Great to know your students are setting up BT | 17:02 |
| jelkner | oh really, mr. vendor, i like to loose money, so i would want to pay $150, right? | 17:02 |
| jelkner | what do i get for $150? | 17:02 |
| dcammue | You choose what you can afford | 17:02 |
| dcammue | Not them | 17:02 |
| jelkner | but what do you get? | 17:03 |
| jelkner | what is the difference? | 17:03 |
| jelkner | what do you give me for $50, what do you give me for $100 and what do you give me for $150 | 17:03 |
| dcammue | jelkner: i have a range of month cost | 17:03 |
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| jelkner | dcammue: i'm going to get tboimah to explain this | 17:04 |
| jelkner | since i am failing | 17:04 |
| jgurara | https://gitlab.com/novawebdevelopment/business-tracker | 17:06 |
| jelkner | lol, you're back zOnny | 17:07 |
| zOnny | yes jgurara | 17:08 |
| zOnny | do you have any questions | 17:08 |
| jelkner | Penrosian just found a bug in BT | 17:08 |
| jelkner | he is filing an issue now | 17:08 |
| zOnny | Penrosian: what is the bug? | 17:08 |
| zOnny | jelkner: nice! | 17:08 |
| jelkner | that's awesome! | 17:08 |
| Penrosian | you'll see in the issue | 17:08 |
| zOnny | Penrosian: we need to kill the bug with the bug killer spray | 17:09 |
| jelkner | dcammue: are you still here | 17:10 |
| jelkner | ? | 17:10 |
| jelkner | hello dcammue | 17:10 |
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| jelkner | zOnny: issue created | 17:12 |
| zOnny | ACTION goes to see what is the bug about | 17:12 |
| zOnny | Penrosian: is this in your local machine? | 17:14 |
| Penrosian | no | 17:15 |
| jelkner | wow, dcammue, you're having a lot of trouble with your connection | 17:16 |
| Penrosian | it's there on tracker.jetrowebdevelopment.org | 17:16 |
| jelkner | are you back now? | 17:16 |
| dcammue | +1 | 17:16 |
| dcammue | I don't know | 17:16 |
| jelkner | i think i can try another approach to explaining what i am asking | 17:16 |
| jelkner | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwidth_(computing) | 17:16 |
| jelkner | take a look at that page, dcammue | 17:17 |
| jelkner | i teach my students in the first year i have them that "It's all just bits!" | 17:17 |
| jelkner | when you purchase "service" from Starlink | 17:17 |
| zOnny | Penrosian: can you paste an screenshot | 17:18 |
| zOnny | Penrosian: on the issue | 17:18 |
| jelkner | you are renting access to a technology that allows you to move bits back and forth on the Internet | 17:18 |
| dcammue | It is from LoneStart network(MTN) | 17:18 |
| jelkner | yes, i know | 17:18 |
| jelkner | i'm talking about starlink now | 17:18 |
| Penrosian | added | 17:18 |
| jelkner | internet service is measured in *bandwidth* | 17:19 |
| dcammue | Yes | 17:19 |
| jelkner | bandwidth is a rate | 17:19 |
| jelkner | a rate is the ratio of some meaure to a period of time | 17:19 |
| zOnny | Penrosian: yes, that is how it should work | 17:19 |
| jelkner | do in the case of bandwidth, it us measured in bits/second | 17:20 |
| dcammue | You were asking me question | 17:20 |
| jelkner | i'm hoping to ask you a question | 17:20 |
| zOnny | Penrosian: Business Tracker does not allow to reset your password if an email ins't associated with it | 17:20 |
| jelkner | but i need you to understand first | 17:20 |
| jelkner | or we will go around in circles again | 17:20 |
| Penrosian | yeah it's not a bug, but it's a small security vulnerability to do that. the proper way to do it is to always tell the client the same thing regardless of whether there is an account or not | 17:20 |
| zOnny | Penrosian: Business Tracker doesn't allow to create an account | 17:20 |
| jelkner | if you don't understand bandwidth, you won't be able to answer my question, and we will need to get thomas to do it. | 17:21 |
| jelkner | if you can understand bandwidth, you will be able to do the investigation, and answer my question | 17:21 |
| jelkner | are you getting me? | 17:21 |
| zOnny | Penrosian: what do you propose? | 17:22 |
| dcammue | +1 | 17:23 |
| Penrosian | just have it say something like "an email has been sent to that address if an account with it exists" or something similar, you can see examples in most web apps with a password reset functionality | 17:23 |
| Penrosian | if you want to know about the specific vulnerability here's an article https://www.rapid7.com/blog/post/2017/06/15/about-user-enumeration/ | 17:24 |
| zOnny | Penrosian: I see | 17:24 |
| jelkner | dcammue: this is a learning task for you, since i know it is new to you | 17:24 |
| zOnny | Penrosian: Yes, We can add a message if the email is associated with an account | 17:25 |
| jelkner | but we can't make an informed decision about Internet service until you (or someone at Jetro) learns about bandwidth and bandwidth limits | 17:25 |
| jelkner | https://starlink.com/lr/service-plans/personal | 17:26 |
| jelkner | https://starlink.com/lr/service-plans/business | 17:26 |
| jelkner | dcammue: are you seeing these links? | 17:27 |
| dcammue | Yes | 17:27 |
| dcammue | I am.looking into them | 17:27 |
| jelkner | so let me leave you with your homework | 17:27 |
| dcammue | Okay | 17:27 |
| dcammue | Thanks | 17:27 |
| dcammue | I will make a draft and share it | 17:28 |
| jelkner | when you look at the business plans, you see plans for $28/month, $71/month, $125/month | 17:28 |
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| jelkner | $232/month, etc. | 17:29 |
| jelkner | what is *different* about those plans? (and *please* don't tell me the price!! ;-) | 17:30 |
| jelkner | dcammue: can you answer that question, or do you want me to? | 17:33 |
| dcammue | The prosonal plan and business plan has big differences | 17:33 |
| jelkner | yes, but what is the difference? | 17:33 |
| jelkner | *not* the price | 17:33 |
| jelkner | what is it that differs among the business plans? | 17:33 |
| dcammue | The personal plan is plug and play setup relaize on the weather condition | 17:34 |
| jelkner | nope, that's not it | 17:34 |
| jelkner | ok, let me try to explain | 17:34 |
| dcammue | While the business plan has two plans | 17:34 |
| jelkner | you are not getting the main thing | 17:34 |
| jelkner | dcammue: let's finish with this | 17:34 |
| jelkner | i will try to explain here in the chat | 17:35 |
| dcammue | Single country land use and in-motion use | 17:35 |
| jelkner | can you promise me you will follow up with tboihman, and show him the chat, when he feels better? | 17:35 |
| dcammue | And global use and in motion use | 17:35 |
| jelkner | single country or in-motion is not important to us | 17:35 |
| dcammue | +1 promise | 17:35 |
| jelkner | the office is stationary, so that doesn't matter | 17:35 |
| jelkner | here is what matters: 50GB or 500GB or 1TB or 2TB | 17:36 |
| jelkner | do you see that is what is different between the plans? | 17:36 |
| dcammue | +1 | 17:36 |
| jelkner | do you know what those values are? | 17:36 |
| dcammue | Data range | 17:37 |
| jelkner | yes! | 17:37 |
| jelkner | per month | 17:37 |
| jelkner | data limit, actually | 17:37 |
| dcammue | ++ | 17:37 |
| jelkner | if you are a business, you can purchase a subscription for $28 per month | 17:37 |
| jelkner | but if you use more than 50GB, you get cut off | 17:38 |
| jelkner | that is *not* unlimited | 17:38 |
| jelkner | that is a limit | 17:38 |
| jelkner | now, the Jetro office is just an apartment, yes? | 17:38 |
| dcammue | +1 | 17:38 |
| jelkner | if you establish your residency there | 17:38 |
| jelkner | i think we may be able to get away with a residential plan | 17:39 |
| jelkner | personal, i mean | 17:39 |
| jelkner | for $50/MO you get unlimited | 17:39 |
| jelkner | i'm not sure we can do that | 17:39 |
| jelkner | but if you live there, and all the other member are just your guests | 17:39 |
| jelkner | maybe we can | 17:40 |
| jelkner | you need to investigate | 17:40 |
| jelkner | ask around | 17:40 |
| dcammue | +1 let think it through | 17:40 |
| jelkner | investigate | 17:40 |
| jelkner | you need to ask, not just think | 17:40 |
| dcammue | Sure | 17:40 |
| jelkner | this is want we need to do when we are running a business | 17:40 |
| jelkner | we need to learn by investigating | 17:40 |
| dcammue | I will get on the field and questions | 17:41 |
| jelkner | i'm not sure $50GB will be enough | 17:41 |
| jelkner | that means if we go with a business plan, $71 per month is what it would cost | 17:41 |
| jelkner | i think 500GB will be enough | 17:42 |
| dcammue | I can not say yes, because we need to know how fast the $50/mo 50GB goes | 17:42 |
| jelkner | i will tell you, you will learn a lot from that exercise | 17:42 |
| jelkner | you'll learn tech skills | 17:42 |
| dcammue | I will | 17:42 |
| jelkner | for example, if the 7 of you need an Uncle Bob video | 17:43 |
| jelkner | that is 1GB | 17:43 |
| jelkner | and all 7 of you download it | 17:43 |
| jelkner | there goes 7GB | 17:43 |
| jelkner | but if one of you downloads it | 17:43 |
| jelkner | and shares it with the others in the office | 17:43 |
| jelkner | you only used 1GB | 17:43 |
| jelkner | since we need to minimize cost, you need to use it efficiently | 17:44 |
| jelkner | video conference use a lot of data | 17:44 |
| dcammue | +1 | 17:44 |
| jelkner | so you need to be careful how much you use | 17:44 |
| jelkner | but we want to make sure you use it when you need it | 17:45 |
| dcammue | That right | 17:45 |
| jelkner | it seems like you can pay as you go on a business plan | 17:46 |
| jelkner | if you need more than 500GB | 17:46 |
| jelkner | you can get another 500GB for $54 | 17:46 |
| jelkner | Local priority means you can move all over Liberia | 17:47 |
| jelkner | any, we are making progress | 17:47 |
| jelkner | but you need to study this, talk to Thomas, and make sure you understand the budgeting required | 17:47 |
| jelkner | make sense? | 17:47 |
| dcammue | ++ | 17:48 |
| dcammue | +1 | 17:48 |
| jelkner | great | 17:48 |
| jelkner | progress | 17:48 |
| jelkner | ok, let's talk more wednesday morning | 17:48 |
| jelkner | see you then my friend! | 17:48 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 17:49 |
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