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| mulbah | Hello everyone | 11:33 |
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| fkoikoi | hi mulbah | 11:49 |
| jkollie | Greetings jelkner and everyone | 11:57 |
| jelkner | Good day Jetro! | 11:57 |
| thomasboimah | Greetings everyone | 11:57 |
| jelkner | I have a cold, so I went right home yesterday and went to sleep. I'm still feeling tired, but i need to finish my UoP writing assignment and submit it today, and start on my journal post for week 6. Not blocking, but struggling due to feeling lethargic. | 12:00 |
| jelkner | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| thomasboimah | I was really not feeling too well on Monday, so I wasn't able to stay long in the work session with Jeff’s student. However, yesterday I was able to move the business tracker from the Jetro membership on Mayfirst to the sjcompute membership and make the BT URL use tracker.sjcompute.org. Today I will complete my UoPeople assignment and meet with Jeff’s students. No blockers. | 12:00 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| jkollie | Yesterday I message Mr. Zawolo if there's any idea he might have to share with me concerning our next upcoming board meeting this month. | 12:00 |
| jkollie | (even though I have to prepare on my own and also gather any idea, concern's or agenda the others members may have on mind) Today I'll check-in NoVASEN, and also start my HTML and CSS practice since I resume studying on edube.org/study. No blocker l | 12:00 |
| svaye | I have a tummy but can't miss work today so I am currently on my way to the office to discuss the business plan with the team. No blockers | 12:00 |
| svaye | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: looks like we are both a bit under the weather, as the expression goes :-( | 12:00 |
| jkollie | ACTION done | 12:00 |
| thomasboimah | yeah | 12:00 |
| jelkner | oh now, svaye, that's 3 of us not at 100% :-( | 12:01 |
| svaye | Ache* | 12:01 |
| dcammue | Opps | 12:01 |
| jelkner | jkollie: excellent work! | 12:01 |
| jkollie | Thanks jelkner | 12:02 |
| jelkner | as president of the board, you should reach out to the other board members to find out what they are thinking | 12:02 |
| dcammue | I lose the clock | 12:02 |
| jelkner | that's part of effective leadership | 12:02 |
| jelkner | i can't wait to talk with you more about that when i visit this summer | 12:02 |
| jkollie | Yeah 😊 | 12:02 |
| fkoikoi | Good morning jelkner | 12:02 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: i am dragging, like i said, and i need to get to my UoP work | 12:03 |
| jelkner | but i have one question for you to think about, which we can discuss more during class today | 12:03 |
| thomasboimah | shoot | 12:03 |
| jelkner | now that we are moving as many applications to May First as possible, and we will try to co-host applications on a single server to save cost | 12:04 |
| jelkner | does it make sense to change "Servers" to "Services" in BT? | 12:04 |
| jelkner | I think "Servers" was when Stefan and Adrian thought we were in the hosting business | 12:04 |
| jelkner | we're not! | 12:04 |
| jelkner | but we provide support for services | 12:04 |
| thomasboimah | Yeah sound good to me | 12:04 |
| dcammue | sure, that make sense jelkner | 12:05 |
| jelkner | we shouldn't jump on this | 12:05 |
| jelkner | we need to think it through | 12:05 |
| jelkner | i'm always having crazy ideas ;-) | 12:05 |
| thomasboimah | Yeah i will talk it out with zOnny | 12:05 |
| jelkner | i want to be able to rely on you all to check me | 12:05 |
| jelkner | to be guard rails in case i loose track | 12:06 |
| jelkner | so think first | 12:06 |
| jelkner | then comment | 12:06 |
| jelkner | that's why i want to put it out there ahead of time | 12:06 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: how will it impact the code? | 12:06 |
| jelkner | that is what you as a dev need to ask yourself | 12:06 |
| svaye | Jelkner we can change it based on what we offer, in this case I think we are offering services and not the ones directly serving, so services sounds better than servers to me | 12:07 |
| jelkner | yes, svaye, that's why i came up with it | 12:07 |
| jelkner | but it may complicate the implementation | 12:07 |
| jelkner | a "server" is singular | 12:07 |
| jelkner | it is a machine | 12:08 |
| jelkner | there can be many services on one server | 12:08 |
| jelkner | that effects the data model | 12:08 |
| jelkner | and may be challenging for the devs | 12:08 |
| jelkner | i can file an issue | 12:08 |
| svaye | Jelkner I believe BT is used for a lot of things right? | 12:08 |
| jelkner | but it will be up to the devs to estimate the cost | 12:08 |
| jelkner | so thomasboimah and company will need to think about the implementation before giving their "dev opinion" | 12:09 |
| jelkner | i'll know we have arrived when devs challenge me based on their understanding of the code | 12:09 |
| jelkner | svaye, you and i are business people | 12:09 |
| jelkner | we need to understand the business logic of what we are asking for | 12:10 |
| jelkner | but the devs need to understand how (or if) that can be effectively implemented in coded | 12:10 |
| jelkner | code | 12:10 |
| svaye | +1 | 12:10 |
| jelkner | ok, see you at 10 EST (15:00 UTC) | 12:10 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off until class | 12:11 |
| svaye | Have a wonderful day jelkner | 12:11 |
| jelkner | you too! | 12:11 |
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| dcammue | Hello jelkner and Karaaaaa | 16:31 |
| dcammue | and jgurara | 16:31 |
| Karaaaaa | hi! | 16:31 |
| jgurara | hello | 16:31 |
| jelkner | Hello all! | 16:34 |
| thomasboimah | Hello | 16:34 |
| jelkner | I had a great conversation with cjones about my feature change i was proposing this morning. | 16:34 |
| dcammue | okay | 16:35 |
| jelkner | He suggest you should produce a UML diagram of the database objects so that we can better understand the complexities involved in making proposed changes to BT. | 16:35 |
| jelkner | Oops, i mean ERD. | 16:38 |
| jelkner | He filed the issue | 16:38 |
| jelkner | can you do that? | 16:38 |
| thomasboimah | ACTION going to view the issue | 16:39 |
| thomasboimah | this part of chris comment on his issue get me smiling: As I was writing this, I heard Uncle Bob in my head saying that source code is the only documentation you need. | 16:45 |
| jelkner | LOL | 16:45 |
| jelkner | he does say diagrams can be helpful | 16:46 |
| jelkner | but they are *not* the documentation! | 16:46 |
| jelkner | in the case of abstract relationships like databases, however, they can be very helpful, since they help us "picture" where potential trouble lies. | 16:47 |
| thomasboimah | yep! | 16:47 |
| Penrosian | I have discovered that the django-extensions package includes a tool for generating ERD diagrams | 16:58 |
| Karaaaaa | yeah i saw that | 16:58 |
| jgurara | we have the UML diagram | 17:04 |
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| jelkner | ACTION waits for Penrosian to finish the merge request | 17:25 |
| Penrosian | finished | 17:25 |
| jelkner | ok, you've seen our discussion from this morning | 17:26 |
| jelkner | the question new is, if we wanted to think about renaming the "Servers" to "Services", what are the database implications? | 17:27 |
| jelkner | and let's think about some concrete examples | 17:27 |
| jelkner | we have a "Service", our ircbot, running somewhere, but where? | 17:28 |
| jelkner | We would want to see an entry for jetrowebdev irc bot | 17:28 |
| jelkner | and have information about where the source code is, *and* where (and how) it was deployed | 17:28 |
| jelkner | we have websites for the two co-ops, and for SJC and SECOSOL, etc. | 17:29 |
| jelkner | those are each different "Services" | 17:29 |
| jelkner | i'm not 100% "Services" is the right name | 17:29 |
| jelkner | and names, as Uncle Bob taught us, are *very* important | 17:29 |
| jelkner | so we want to think about both those things | 17:30 |
| jelkner | i'll chat with cjones again | 17:30 |
| jelkner | and the one of us will file another issues | 17:30 |
| jelkner | issue | 17:30 |
| jelkner | in the mean time, also think about ToDos | 17:30 |
| jelkner | since we want to incorporate that functionality into BT as well | 17:31 |
| jelkner | we want each member of our team to be able to see tasks assigned to them | 17:31 |
| jelkner | and for the team as whole to be able to see what is being done, and by whom | 17:31 |
| jelkner | i guess i should file an issue for that too | 17:32 |
| jelkner | i'll be happy when you all start pushing back | 17:32 |
| jelkner | telling me you can't start work until i file an issue! ;-) | 17:32 |
| jelkner | sound good? | 17:32 |
| Penrosian | +1 | 17:32 |
| tboimah_ | +1 | 17:32 |
| Karaaaaa | +1 | 17:32 |
| jgurara | +1 | 17:32 |
| jelkner | ACTION goes to file an issue | 17:33 |
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| jelkner | thomasboimah: quick question | 17:42 |
| jelkner | are you doing anything with the hetzner server that we have? | 17:42 |
| jelkner | you and i are the only ones that have an account on it | 17:42 |
| thomasboimah | No | 17:42 |
| jelkner | great | 17:42 |
| jelkner | i'm going to reprovision that to be a web/php server | 17:43 |
| jelkner | if you need anything, back it up before i reimage it | 17:43 |
| Karaaaaa | for the ToDo task, would we like to repurpose thomasboimah's project? | 17:44 |
| Penrosian | I think it would make sense to rebuild it with TDD since the old one had minimal tests | 17:44 |
| Karaaaaa | true | 17:45 |
| Penrosian | we can use it as a sort of guide to what we want to make | 17:45 |
| jgurara | +1 | 17:45 |
| Karaaaaa | ok | 17:45 |
| Karaaaaa | do we want to choose specific tasks for ourselves? | 17:45 |
| Penrosian | maybe | 17:45 |
| Karaaaaa | so we aren't doing overlapping things? | 17:46 |
| Penrosian | we should lab out how we want to start on this, but I also think that to start out we should build the basic functionality first but doing that without stepping on each other's toes would be quite hard | 17:46 |
| Penrosian | so it may make sense to have one person start it, and then we can each work on adding new functionality like assigning tasks and linking them to projects, etc. | 17:46 |
| Penrosian | since those are much more contained | 17:47 |
| Karaaaaa | ok | 17:47 |
| jgurara | ok | 17:47 |
| dcammue | okay | 17:47 |
| Penrosian | i've been wanting to write out some code so I'm down to start the todo app | 17:48 |
| dcammue | ok Penrosian | 17:48 |
| Karaaaaa | ok, do we want to say what you need to get done so that the basic functionality is finished? like add a way for users to create todos and look at them? | 17:49 |
| Penrosian | we should probably track that in a task or something like that | 17:50 |
| Penrosian | a todo app would really help here | 17:50 |
| Penrosian | if only | 17:50 |
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| Penrosian | since we are almost out of time though we can continue this friday | 17:51 |
| dcammue | so i also think we will need user story for the todo app | 17:52 |
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| dcammue | so it can clear up things | 17:52 |
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| dcammue | anyway, firday | 17:52 |
| Karaaaaa | bye! see you friday | 17:53 |
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