IRC log of #jetrowebdev for Friday, 2026-03-27

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freenaGood morning everyone 10:58
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jelkneryesterday i met with kei and sahnun. Today i'll have class with several of you and meet with sahnun after work to set up a linux laptop for him.11:00
thomasboimahOn Wednesday, I set up dcammue with the novawebdevelopment.coop email and also set up jkollie with sjcompute.org emails. I studied for my UoPeople final exam, and yesterday I wrote my UoPeople final exam, and it was successful. I will not be attending UoPeople next term. Today I will be preparing myself for my work session with zOnny tomorrow and look forward to seeing how the sjcompute meeting goes regarding their website, so that we can hack 11:00
thomasboimahon it right away. No blockers.11:00
jelknerACTION done11:00
thomasboimahACTION done11:00
jelknerjust me and you thomasboimah11:00
jelknerhmmm....11:00
jelknerdcammue: are you here?11:00
jelknersvaye?11:00
thomasboimahI think the others is typing11:01
jelknerlol11:01
freenaOn Wednesday, i attended jelkner class and later continue my study at OPENEDG. Yesterday I completed module 4 and today I plan to attend jelkner class and later continue with my html practice 11:01
dcammueYesterday, i attended my ul classes and waited to meet jelkner but did not meet him today, i am updating the jetro inventory list11:01
jelknerthey need to keep practicing their typing11:01
freenaACTION done 11:01
dcammueACTION done11:01
jkollieyesterday I read on paragraph an text formating from session 3 and also started reading and praticing on Tables, Today i'll continue with the pratice on table and also check in Novasen.11:01
jkollieNo blocker11:01
jelknerso they can do it faster ;-)11:01
jkollieACTION done11:01
jelknerdcammue and svaye, can you two please run our class again today?11:02
svayeOn Wednesday jelkner gave the business team a task to send an invoice to ARTraffic before the week ends but we have two problems 1. we don't have their information 2. Novaweb name doesn't display in BT for the invoice. I email Zonny asking for help with both but he hasn't responded. blocking on Zonny reply11:02
dcammue+111:02
jelknersvaye: zOnny works on saturday and sunday11:02
svayejelkner, did you see the email I sent to Zonny I cc'd everyone11:02
jelknerhe works *full time* as a manager of a coffee shop in Washington, D.C. on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.11:03
jelkneryou need to understand that11:03
jelknerzOnny is working 7 days a week!11:03
svayejelkner, that means we can't send the invoice before the week ends11:03
jelknerhe has no days off11:03
jelknerhe is super dedicated11:03
jelknerand if we succeed in this business, it will be in large part because of him11:04
jelknerbut you can't expect him to respond during the week11:04
jelknerhe needs to eac11:04
jelknereat11:04
jelknerand he eats now from his weekday job11:04
svayeokay jelkner I understand now11:04
jelknerso that's why if we are serious, we will need to adapt to his schedule11:04
jelknergreat11:05
jelknerso i'll call him this evening after i meet with Sahnun11:05
jelkneri'll show sahnun our conversation here11:05
jelknerand see if he can help11:05
jelknerwe need help11:05
jelknerwe have too much to do11:05
jelknerand we don't yet have the skills we need to do it11:06
jelknerso, i have a few todos to figure out11:06
jelkneri need to get dcammue added to members@novawebdevelopment.coop11:06
thomasboimahI did that 11:07
thomasboimahon Wednesday11:07
jelknergreat!11:07
jelkneryou rock thomasboimah 11:07
jelknerthat's helpful11:07
jelknerso dcammue, you should have seen that Tony did more work for ARTraffic yesterday or the day before11:07
jelkneron Saturday i'll ask zOnny and thomasboimah to make BT their top priority11:08
jelknerso we can handle svaye's blockers11:08
jelknerand get the invoice to ARTraffic sent11:08
jelknerthat will be a huge and essential step for us11:08
jelknerok, i have to go11:08
jelkneri'll be logged on during class11:08
jelknerbut i need to work with ben, kara, and josh again11:09
jelknerstill setting up our lab with KVM so they can create vms for Django development11:09
jelknernext week we are off for spring break11:09
jelknerthere will be no class11:10
jelknerthat's good11:10
jelknersince it will give us a chance to catch up on the business side of things11:10
jelkneri will make the meeting on saturday11:10
jelknerbut i will be on vacation with my wife sunday and monday11:10
jelkneri'll be back for the meeting on wednesday11:11
jelknerand will make fri, sat, and sun 4/3, 4/4, and 4/511:11
jelknersee you in a few hours11:11
jelkneri need to finish getting ready for class11:11
jelknerACTION signs off for now11:12
svayealright jelkner 11:12
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dcammuehello jelkner 13:47
dcammuehow long you been here?13:48
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jelknerhello svaye 15:04
jelknerwhere is dcammue?15:04
jelknercan we have a brief chat about how to more effectively use irc?15:05
jelknerjkollie: are you here?15:05
jkollie`yes jelkner15:06
jelknerzOnny, so good to see you!15:06
jelknerwe need to talk soon15:06
jelknerso much is happening so fast15:06
zOnnyGood morning jelkner 15:06
jelknerdo you have a few minutes now?15:06
zOnnyI did read the logs15:06
zOnnyyes15:06
jelkneryou always do15:07
jelkneri count on that zOnny 15:07
zOnnyjelkner: seems things are moving 15:07
jelknerthey really are15:07
jelknerany update on Nana?15:07
jelknerdo we have a graphics designer, or do i need to hunt for a student?15:07
zOnnyjelkner: I did text her about our tomorrow's meeting15:07
jelknerand?15:07
zOnnyI haven't hear from her yet15:07
zOnny**heard15:07
jelknerso that's what i fear15:07
jelknerif she is hard to reach15:08
jelknerwe will be nervous all the time15:08
zOnnyjelkner: +115:08
jelknersince our customers will be asking us "when will it be ready?"15:08
jelknerand we won't be able to answer15:08
jelknerthat's a sure fire way to loose sleep :-(15:08
jelknerwe don't want that15:09
jelknerok, i'm going to ask a student in cjones class if she is able15:09
zOnnyjelkner: We need to be able to move without her15:09
zOnnyjelkner: it won't be quick15:09
svayeHi jelkner and zOnny 15:09
jelkneryes, but we can't now15:09
zOnnybut we can still move15:09
jelknersince we don't know anyone we can afford who has her skills15:09
zOnnyjelkner: +115:10
dcammueHello zOnny 15:10
jelkneronce we start generating real revenue15:10
jelknerwe could reach out to https://designaction.org/15:10
zOnnydcammue: how are you15:11
zOnnysvaye: hi15:11
jelknerbut for new, zOnny 15:11
jelknerwe can't afford them15:11
jelknersvaye, dcammue, jkollie, is there an art program in UL?15:12
jelknerwe need to find an artist15:12
zOnnyjelkner: nana did reply she will have the SJC design for tomorrow15:12
dcammueNOP15:12
jelknerwho is willing to learn digital art tech15:12
jelknernope?15:12
jelkneris that what NOP means?15:13
jelknerare you saying "no", dcammue?15:13
dcammuei mean no art program in UL15:13
jelknergot you15:13
jelknerwhere do people with a passion for art in Liberia go?15:13
svayejelkner, are you looking for someone with artistic skill?15:13
dcammueand we can decide from jetro members who want to take on that15:14
jelkner*YES*, svaye!15:14
jelknerdcammue, i don't think so15:14
jelknerbut maybe15:14
jelkneryou may not remember, but i've discussed this with y'all before15:14
dcammuei know and i remember15:14
jelknerart involves seeing the world in a certain way15:14
jelknerit is a right brained activity15:15
svayeArt is not really something that people go to school for here in Liberia jelkner 15:15
jelknercreative15:15
jelkneri understand svaye 15:15
jelknerbut i assume in spite of that, there are people passionate about it somewhere15:15
jelknerthose are the young people who can't stop themselves from doodling when they are young15:15
zOnnyjelkner: can I get you an update on whether nana would be onboard?15:16
jelknerdo you understand what i'm saying?15:16
zOnnyjelkner: tomorrow?15:16
jelknerthanks, zOnny 15:16
jelknerfor now, she is still our best bet15:16
jelknerdcammue, svaye, jkollie, you can't just say "i'll do it"15:16
jelknerunless you think about the world in the way i am talking about15:16
jelkneryour "art" is likely be really crappy15:17
svayeI understand jelkner, I used to be like that by my little brother has more of that talent than me15:17
jelknerwe can't do that15:17
jelknerwe need to be pros15:17
svayebut*15:17
jelknerah, maybe we could recruit your little brother?15:17
jelknerwe need both a short term and a long term plan15:18
jelknerin the short term, zOnny will reach out to Nana, and I'll reach out to students here15:18
jelknerin our graphics design class15:18
zOnnyjelkner: +115:18
zOnnyjelkner: my last meeting with her was great15:19
svayejelkner, my little brother is not really good with the computer, he's only good with is pen and paper, so I don't know if that would work out15:20
zOnnyjelkner: we just need her be able to get us an update or a better way to communicate with her15:20
zOnnysvaye: I saw your email15:23
zOnnysvaye: Are you trying to create an invoice?15:24
svayeyes zOnny 15:24
zOnnysvaye: as for now Business Tracker is using the default template15:25
svayeI have to create an invoice for the work Anthony did for Artraffice15:25
zOnnysvaye: Do you have all the information need to create the invoice?15:25
zOnnysvaye: I see15:26
svayeNo, zOnny 15:26
zOnnysvaye: do you have the information?15:26
freenaGreetings jelkner and zOnny 15:26
zOnnyhi freena 15:27
svayejelkner, told me you have the information for our partners zOnny  15:27
zOnnysvaye: yes15:27
svayezOnny, I would also need that from you15:27
svayejelkner, is kthomas joining us today?15:31
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freenaHi Karaaaaa 15:33
Karaaaaahi freena!15:33
Karaaaaaand everyone else!15:33
freenaHow are you Karaaaaa?15:33
jkollieHi karaaaaa15:34
Karaaaaaim doing well, i am about to go on spring break so i am very happy!15:34
Karaaaaahow about you freena?15:34
svayeHi Karaaaaa 15:34
dcammuehi Karaaaaa 15:34
freenaWow, I'm doing great Karaaaaa 15:34
Karaaaaahello svaye and dcammue!15:34
dcammuegreat and you?15:35
Karaaaaaim doing well dcammue!15:35
svayeKaraaaaa, is kthomas there?15:36
Karaaaaashe is fixing the same problem she had yesterday unfortunately15:38
Karaaaaashe seems to be almost ready15:38
dcammueokay15:38
svayeAlright Karaaaaa thanks for the update15:39
kthomashello15:39
freenaHi kthomas, how are you today?15:40
kthomasim good freena how are you15:40
freenaI'm fine 15:40
kthomasthats good15:41
zOnnysvaye: one thing that the dev team hasn't done is the DB migration to the tracker you have access15:42
zOnnysvaye: you shouldn15:43
svayezOnny, I have access to the tracker15:45
dcammuekthomas, welcome15:45
dcammueokay class, welcome to today class and happy to see you all15:46
kthomashey15:46
dcammueonce again, we are back here for our wonderful class15:46
svayezOnny, we can chat better in the novawebdev channel, class is about to start here15:46
zOnnysvaye: ok15:47
dcammuefor today class, i will like us to go back to the session 03 lesson to do a recap15:47
dcammuebefore coming to today class15:47
dcammuebecause for the past few days we just been on setting up kthomas image15:48
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dcammueand i guess jelkner can help her there15:48
dcammueso can we do that folks?15:48
jelknerhi all15:49
jkolliealright dcammue15:49
jkolliehi jelkner15:50
dcammuehello jelkner 15:50
dcammuejelkner?15:50
dcammuewould you like to come in?15:50
dcammueokay we can not keep blocking on jelkner, let15:51
dcammuelet's move on15:51
kthomashes talking right now15:51
dcammueso for session 03 we was to discuss on "meta and script" tags15:52
jelkneri'm going to be talking to a student about graphic design15:52
dcammueokay cheif15:52
jelknerbut i did put up lesson 515:52
jelknerif you have a questions about the lesson15:52
jelkneri can answer those15:52
jelknerbut i'm relying on you all to work together to get them done15:53
dcammueyes, i want us to recap on session 0315:53
jelkneryes sir, dcammue 15:53
jelknerlet me not interfere then15:53
jelknerbe here if you need me15:53
dcammueokay15:53
dcammuethanks15:53
dcammueback to class 15:53
dcammueso we will be looking at Meta and Script15:54
dcammuebut let's see what they do 15:54
dcammuefirstly the Meta tag and it attribute charset15:55
dcammueThe <meta charset="..."> tag in HTML is small15:56
dcammuebut powerful15:56
dcammueit does a great work behind the web page15:57
dcammuewhen you type in the html tag like15:57
dcammue<h1> Hello, World! <h1>15:58
dcammuethe "metacharset" tell the browser how to interpret the codes15:58
dcammuebecause the code appears to the machine as bytes15:59
dcammuenumbers15:59
dcammueand the metacharset UTF-8 tells the browser to turn it to human readable form16:00
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dcammueso when you type in the <h1> Hello, World<h1> you only see "Hello, World"16:01
dcammueunderstand/16:02
dcammueunderstand?16:02
kthomasyes16:02
jkollieand that is because of the metacharset UTF-8 dcammue?16:02
fkoikoi+116:03
dcammueyes16:03
dcammueyes jkollie 16:03
jkollieokay16:04
dcammueso let me make this clear16:04
dcammuetake the metacharset UTF-8 as a dictionary16:05
dcammueso it tell the browser that a number = to either a letter, emoji, or symbol16:06
dcammueso when the browser sees that particular number that is equal to the letter A or emoji16:06
dcammueit print it out to the user16:07
dcammueas human readable form16:07
dcammueget it?16:07
dcammueokay let move to script16:07
kthomasyes16:08
freena+116:08
svaye+116:08
jkollie+116:08
dcammuethe script tag is use to insert a javascript within a html file or document 16:08
dcammueso let take for example, kthomas build her static page and wants it to be dynamic 16:10
dcammueand she has a javascript that she wants to use16:10
dcammueso she use the <script> "url to the javascript file" <script>16:11
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dcammueusually, the javascript file has it extension with .js16:12
dcammuethis js file makes the page interactive16:12
dcammuebetween the browser and the user16:13
dcammueso that how user manage to put information on the page using the Form 16:14
jkolliethat is to say you can use a <script> url to add a javascript file in your html page. right dcammue16:14
dcammuelike, login form, sign-up form, or purchase form16:14
dcammueyes jkollie 16:15
dcammueand it either comes at the top or the end of the page16:15
dcammueany question?16:15
jelknerdcammue, may i interject something here?16:15
dcammueyes16:15
jelknerplease keep in mind where the data is16:16
jelknerour javascript is *client side* programming16:16
jelkner*not* server side16:16
jelknerso that means we can use javascript to make our interaction with the user interface "come alive"16:16
jelknerbut we can16:16
jelknercan't16:16
jelkneruse them to store data16:17
fkoikoi__what do you mean jelkner ??16:17
dcammueyes16:17
dcammuewe can not store data with it16:17
jelknerlet's say we have a nice form that you use to join a mailing list16:17
jelknerthat mailing list is an application that lives where?16:17
dcammuein the backend16:18
jelkneryes dcammue 16:18
jelknerbut you're the teacher16:18
dcammueokay16:18
jelkneryou need to let the students answer ;-)16:18
jelknerdcammue did just use an important vocabulary term16:18
jelknerwe should take this opportunity to talk about it16:19
jelknerwe have "client side" and "front end", two terms for the same idea16:19
jelknerand we have "server side" or "backend"16:19
jelknerwhen someone says they are "full stack web developers"16:20
jelknerthey are saying they can do both16:20
jelknerso, someone other than dcammue 16:20
jelknerwhere is the data stored in a web application?16:20
fkoikoi__front end and backend16:20
jelknerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front-end_web_development16:21
fkoikoi__oh, that was for the first question16:21
jelknerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_end_and_back_end16:21
jkolliebackend 16:21
jelknergreat jkollie 16:21
jelknerwhere in the world is the "back end", btw?16:22
kthomason a server ??16:22
jelkneryes indeed kthomas 16:22
jelknerbut where is it?16:22
jelknerit's a trick question16:23
jelknerbut i'd still like someone to try to answer16:23
fkoikoi__jelkner, 16:23
jelknerfkoikoi__,16:23
fkoikoi__do you mean where is the server??16:24
jelkneryes16:24
fkoikoi__you browser i guess16:24
jelknerah, that's what i was after, thanks for trying svaye, but no ;-)16:24
jelknerit is *not* on your computer at all16:25
jelkneryour browser *is* on your computer16:25
jelknerthe one you are touching with your fingers as you type16:25
jelknerthat is the "client" machine16:25
jelknerand the browser is the "client web application"16:25
jelknerso what about the server?16:25
jkolliea django project16:27
jelknerit could be a Django application16:27
jelknerok i won't take up any more of dcammue's class16:27
jelknerbut let me finish with this16:28
jelknerour webschool server is located here:16:28
jelknerhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/way/387208881#map=16/40.73689/-74.1750616:28
jelknerHow do i know that?16:28
jelknerI've never seen it.16:28
jelknerwell, we purchased it from linode16:30
jelknerand i did a web search on where linode's data center is located16:30
jelknerwe can imagine what it looks like16:30
jelknerhttps://www.openstreetmap.org/way/387208881#map=16/40.73689/-74.1750616:31
jelkneroops16:31
jelknernot that16:31
jelknerhttps://eu-images.contentstack.com/v3/assets/blt8eb3cdfc1fce5194/blt89d4c230d450f8dc/66508eeb38c59a14a15b3068/1a-Main-Image-Google.jpg?width=1280&auto=webp&quality=80&format=jpg&disable=upscale16:31
jelknerthat16:31
jelknera building with rows and rows of computers16:32
jelknerhundreds of them16:32
jelknerand our little "virtual machine" is a tiny slice of one of them16:32
jelknerso you didn't know that every time you ssh to webschool, you are visiting New Jersey ;-)16:33
jelkneranyway, back to you dcammue 16:33
jelknerapologies for taking so much time16:33
dcammuenp16:33
dcammuethanks for the clarity16:34
dcammueso let take the last 30 minutes to look over our today lesson16:34
dcammueis there any home work? from last class?16:35
fkoikoi__wow, thanks jelkner 16:35
dcammuekthomas, 16:36
kthomasyes16:36
dcammuehave you fix the image issue16:36
jkollieno dcammue16:36
dcammueor not yet?16:36
kthomasits still not showing color16:36
dcammuehmmm, do you have the original image?16:37
svayekthomas, are all your photos in .heic?16:37
kthomasyes16:37
dcammuecan you share it with me so i can help16:37
dcammue?16:37
kthomaswell we converted that one photo to a jpg16:37
fkoikoi__dcammue and jelkner, what about JavaScript validation 16:37
dcammueyou do WhatApp?16:38
dcammueor telegram16:38
kthomasjelkner said dont worry about it16:38
dcammueokay16:38
dcammueno problem16:38
fkoikoi__dcammue??16:39
dcammuethe javascript validation 16:40
fkoikoi__yes16:40
dcammueis a link that allow you to validate you html page16:40
dcammueto know if your codes are up to task16:41
dcammueif you properly structure your page the right way16:41
dcammueUnderstand?16:41
dcammuefreena, 16:41
fkoikoi__yes but that wasn't what i was asking about16:42
jkolliejelkner: am thinking of sending a reminder email to the board about our meeting tomorrow16:43
dcammuewhat freena?16:43
jelkneryes, jkollie, please do!16:43
fkoikoi__yes dcammue 16:43
jkollieokay jelkner16:44
fkoikoi__I'm talking about how to add validates.js to our pages dcammue 16:45
jelknerremember to ask tboimah if he thinks gabriel and/or mulbah could work on the validator16:45
jelkneri don't know what their JavaScript skills are16:46
jelknerthis would be a good way to find out16:46
dcammueokay16:46
dcammuewe will test them16:46
jelkner+116:46
Karaaaaaagoodbye!16:54
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kthomasbye everyone16:55
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jelknerok, jetro, bell rang16:56
jelknerstudents left16:56
jelknerlet's take a few minutes to plan16:56
jelkneri sent an email to y'all16:56
jelknerdcammue: i found a graphics student16:56
jelknershe needs the pictures ASAP!16:56
jelknercan you get on that?16:57
jelknerthen zOnny and Thomas can update our site as soon as she finishes16:57
fkoikoi__ACTION goes to read jelkner mail16:57
jelknerdcammue: are you here?16:57
jelknerthe other thing i'm waiting for is my database login instructions16:58
fkoikoi__ACTION back16:58
dcammueyes16:58
dcammuenice!16:59
dcammuegood news16:59
dcammuethmomasboimah sent the instruction to you along with his research assignment you give him17:01
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fkoikoi__dcammue, 17:09
dcammuethe bell has gone fkoikoi__ 17:09
dcammueyou can go now17:09
dcammuethanks for today17:10
dcammuesee you on monday17:10
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fkoikoi__bye everyone17:10
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