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| dcammue | Good morning freena | 10:24 |
| jelkner | Good morning dcammue and thomasboimah! | 10:56 |
| dcammue | Good morning jelkner , thomasboimah | 10:56 |
| jelkner | So good to see you! | 10:56 |
| dcammue | Yeah | 10:56 |
| jelkner | Can we take a few minutes to chat? | 10:56 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: are you here with us? | 10:57 |
| dcammue | +1 | 10:57 |
| thomasboimah | Yes | 10:57 |
| thomasboimah | Good morning guyd | 10:57 |
| jelkner | ok, we are really making progress | 10:57 |
| jelkner | but as you know, we have a looooooooong way to go ;-) | 10:57 |
| jelkner | so, first the good news | 10:57 |
| jelkner | i saw a pull request, it looked good, so i merged it | 10:58 |
| jelkner | that's excellent | 10:58 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: you need to teach dcammue to do this in his sleep | 10:58 |
| jelkner | since we will be doing it a lot | 10:58 |
| jelkner | now the less than great news | 10:58 |
| dcammue | :-) | 10:58 |
| jelkner | there were no changes to the lesson | 10:58 |
| jelkner | that means, dcammue, you aren't fully ready to understand what needs to be done to teach the class | 10:59 |
| jelkner | i don't expect that | 10:59 |
| jelkner | so i'm not surprised or disappointed, just stating the facts | 10:59 |
| jelkner | for us to succeed in this, i need for your small study group to take ownership of their learning | 10:59 |
| jelkner | that will be crucial | 11:00 |
| jelkner | it will mean you are empowered learners | 11:00 |
| jelkner | not just blindly doing what you are told | 11:00 |
| jelkner | but thinking critically about what you are trying to achieve and taking ownership of your path to get where you want to go | 11:00 |
| jelkner | let's look at the lesson cjones left us: | 11:00 |
| jelkner | https://ict.gracehopper.center/s26/courses/php/goals/session.html?num=06 | 11:01 |
| dcammue | jelkner: you want me to make changes, I thought it was just to map the session to the calendar? | 11:01 |
| jelkner | dcammue: i asked if you could lead the class | 11:01 |
| jelkner | you did great, dcammue | 11:01 |
| jelkner | don't get me wrong | 11:02 |
| jelkner | i'm thrilled | 11:02 |
| jelkner | but now i'm looking at the next step | 11:02 |
| jelkner | dcammue: what is our goal here? | 11:02 |
| jelkner | i mean the "big goal" | 11:02 |
| jelkner | think big and long term | 11:02 |
| jelkner | why are we doing this class? | 11:02 |
| dcammue | I all felt the the session_06 was edited. My bad | 11:02 |
| jelkner | well, my dear friend, you should have looked at it | 11:03 |
| jelkner | please answer my question | 11:03 |
| jelkner | what is our goal? | 11:03 |
| jelkner | thomasboimah: while i wait for dcammue to answer, can i ask you something as well? | 11:04 |
| thomasboimah | Sure | 11:04 |
| jelkner | how strong do you feel you are now at Django deploying? | 11:04 |
| dcammue | To get our comrades to achieve the skills we want | 11:05 |
| jelkner | ok, dcammue, but what skills? | 11:05 |
| jelkner | be more specific please | 11:05 |
| thomasboimah | I can say intermediate | 11:05 |
| jelkner | i'm asking because i think tony is really struggling with ARTraffic | 11:05 |
| jelkner | and he is all alone | 11:05 |
| jelkner | he's trying to figure out a complex deployment that Stefan and Adrian built | 11:06 |
| jelkner | and things keep breaking one after the other | 11:06 |
| jelkner | not surprising, Django is a complex framework | 11:06 |
| jelkner | Tony's a pro, and i'm sure he will eventually figure it out | 11:06 |
| jelkner | but our customer is feeling the pain while he learns | 11:07 |
| jelkner | i'm wondering if it makes sense to have you and zOnny try to help him? | 11:07 |
| thomasboimah | Of course it make sense | 11:07 |
| jelkner | let me send an email to the three of you suggesting you meet to talk about it | 11:08 |
| jelkner | ok thomasboimah, thanks! | 11:08 |
| thomasboimah | Sure | 11:08 |
| jelkner | dcammue: i'm waiting... | 11:08 |
| dcammue | The skills is what they can do and how to do it. | 11:08 |
| jelkner | lol | 11:08 |
| dcammue | Professional skills | 11:08 |
| jelkner | still too vague | 11:08 |
| jelkner | you won't be ready to guide our project until you understand what it is about | 11:09 |
| jelkner | what is Jetro's business, dcammue? | 11:09 |
| dcammue | To get the people needs | 11:09 |
| jelkner | ok, i have a tooth ache, that is my need, can Jetro help me with that? | 11:10 |
| dcammue | Yes, | 11:10 |
| dcammue | But no | 11:10 |
| jelkner | OUCH! NO!!! | 11:10 |
| dcammue | Indirectly | 11:10 |
| jelkner | dcammue: a business needs a business plan | 11:11 |
| jelkner | and the business plan needs the right amount of specificity | 11:11 |
| jelkner | so i need to encourage you to think a lot more about this | 11:11 |
| jelkner | so that in future conversations, you can have a clearer idea of what we are trying to do | 11:12 |
| jelkner | and btw, it is a constantly changing thing | 11:12 |
| jelkner | so that is a challenge, i admit that | 11:12 |
| jelkner | but we are starting with a fairly well defined goal | 11:12 |
| jelkner | what is the full name of your co-op, dcammue? | 11:13 |
| dcammue | Jetro Web Development, INC | 11:13 |
| jelkner | bingo | 11:13 |
| jelkner | so the two words in the name that come immediately after "Jetro" should give you hint as to what you are trying to do, right? | 11:14 |
| dcammue | Sure | 11:14 |
| jelkner | so let me ask you again... what is the goal of our class? | 11:14 |
| jelkner | btw, one of the goals for everyone at jetro is to get them to improve their typing speed | 11:15 |
| jelkner | that is very important for what we do | 11:15 |
| jelkner | it isn't an "end goal" | 11:16 |
| dcammue | To learn web development | 11:16 |
| jelkner | now we're talking! | 11:16 |
| jelkner | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_development | 11:16 |
| jelkner | so to develop our business plan | 11:17 |
| jelkner | we will need to develop a much better understanding of what "web development" means in practice | 11:17 |
| jelkner | we will learn by concrete examples | 11:17 |
| jelkner | it will be the things our customers want | 11:17 |
| jelkner | including MDLLC (Maryland Latino Legislative Caucus) | 11:18 |
| jelkner | ARTraffic, J.J.'s, SJC (Social Justice Computing) | 11:19 |
| jelkner | etc. | 11:19 |
| jelkner | ok, i need to go | 11:19 |
| jelkner | i'll join with you in the beginning of class | 11:19 |
| dcammue | Okay | 11:19 |
| jelkner | so we can all talk together about what to do | 11:19 |
| dcammue | Sure | 11:19 |
| jelkner | but from my point of view, the lesson doesn't make any sense | 11:19 |
| jelkner | we don't have a quiz | 11:20 |
| jelkner | nor do we really need one with such a small class | 11:20 |
| jelkner | what we want is web sites that start to show skills | 11:20 |
| dcammue | Ye | 11:20 |
| dcammue | Yes | 11:20 |
| jelkner | that will be evident by the product (each person's web site) | 11:20 |
| jelkner | and the process - their commit histories | 11:20 |
| jelkner | cjone's schedule is complete irrelevant | 11:21 |
| jelkner | so the lesson linked is largely useless | 11:21 |
| jelkner | as we move forward, i will keep saying i can't be the point of failure | 11:21 |
| jelkner | i've got too much to do | 11:22 |
| jelkner | we either become a true democratic organization with multiple leaders (we are all leaders and we are all followers) | 11:22 |
| jelkner | or we won't make it | 11:22 |
| dcammue | Yes | 11:22 |
| jelkner | so this is a great chance to put that in practice dcammue | 11:22 |
| jelkner | ok, see you in class | 11:23 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 11:23 |
| dcammue | Sure | 11:23 |
| dcammue | Thanks | 11:23 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off until class | 11:23 |
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| jkollie | Hi dcammue | 14:14 |
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| dcammue | How are you jkollie | 15:14 |
| jkollie | Hi jelkner | 15:31 |
| jkollie | How are you doing today? | 15:32 |
| jelkner | jkollie: i am trying to multi-task, which i can't do ;-) | 15:33 |
| jkollie | I know that feeling jelkner | 15:33 |
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| jkollie | But you are going to be fine my dear friend | 15:34 |
| dcammue | good day folks | 15:35 |
| jkollie | Good day dcammue | 15:35 |
| dcammue | one minutes please | 15:36 |
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| jelkner | jkollie, dcammue, kthomas is still trying to join us | 15:39 |
| dcammue | okay | 15:39 |
| jkollie | Alright | 15:40 |
| svaye | I am so sorry guys, I won't make it for class today, I have a mid-term exam in 5mins, please excuse me for this week, because I have three on Thursday and one will run into our class time | 15:41 |
| kthomas | hello | 15:41 |
| kthomas | im so sorry im late | 15:41 |
| jkollie | Hi kthomas | 15:41 |
| jkollie | It's okay | 15:41 |
| dcammue | hello kthomas | 15:42 |
| svaye | ACTION signs off to go write my exam | 15:42 |
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| dcammue | welcome back everyone | 15:42 |
| jelkner | dcammue: what about freena and svaye? | 15:43 |
| jelkner | they aren't coming to class? | 15:43 |
| jkollie | svaye: just sent an excuse jelkner | 15:43 |
| dcammue | svaye was here | 15:43 |
| jkollie | Dcamme can you please call freena | 15:44 |
| jkollie | Am out of credit right now | 15:44 |
| jelkner | while dcammue calls freena, i want to chat briefly about where we are in our process | 15:44 |
| jelkner | it is my goal to help you "learn to learn" by making this as much a self-directed activity as we can | 15:45 |
| jelkner | this is indeed *very* important | 15:45 |
| jelkner | self-directed learning is a "meta skill" or "soft skill" that will serve you so well in life | 15:46 |
| jelkner | it is what you need to be flexible learners in the 21st century | 15:46 |
| jelkner | you can take a brief look after i finish at the chat i had with dcammue this morning in our logs | 15:46 |
| jelkner | https://irclogs.novawebdevelopment.coop/%23jetrowebdev/2026-04-07.log.html | 15:46 |
| jelkner | i won't have the time to write new lessons for class each day | 15:47 |
| jelkner | i need dcammue's help | 15:47 |
| jelkner | and he will need yours | 15:47 |
| jelkner | i'm already teaching 4 other classes | 15:47 |
| jelkner | which means 4 other preps | 15:47 |
| jelkner | there is no way i can handle a 5th | 15:47 |
| jelkner | so, we need to work together | 15:47 |
| jelkner | there are some "big goals" i think we are striving for | 15:48 |
| jelkner | 1. basic fundamental understanding of the web and how it works | 15:48 |
| jelkner | 2. basic skills attainment for making beginning web applications | 15:48 |
| jelkner | 1 is theoretical, 2 is practical | 15:49 |
| jelkner | they work together | 15:49 |
| jelkner | i read over the OpenEDG curriculum | 15:49 |
| jelkner | it is good | 15:49 |
| jelkner | you should use it | 15:49 |
| jelkner | but you need to be smart about how you use it | 15:49 |
| jelkner | since this is self-directed learning | 15:50 |
| jelkner | you can't just read something | 15:50 |
| jelkner | i notice students do that all the time | 15:50 |
| jelkner | they think "how can i get through this silly task with the minimum effort?" | 15:50 |
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| jelkner | that is the opposite of what we are doing here | 15:50 |
| jelkner | since you are learning for yourself | 15:50 |
| jelkner | taking shortcuts means you are cheating... YOURSELF! ;-) | 15:51 |
| jelkner | so i'll let dcammue drive now | 15:51 |
| jelkner | and check in with him later | 15:51 |
| jkollie | Understand jelkner | 15:51 |
| jelkner | the only one getting a grade here is kthomas | 15:51 |
| jelkner | so i need to see commits and improvements to her website | 15:52 |
| dcammue | okay | 15:52 |
| jelkner | that's how i will be evaluating here work | 15:52 |
| jelkner | her work | 15:52 |
| jelkner | it should also be a goal to pass the certification | 15:52 |
| jelkner | but let's focus on skills, not memorization | 15:52 |
| jelkner | sound good? | 15:52 |
| kthomas | yes | 15:52 |
| jelkner | perfect | 15:52 |
| jkollie | Good!! | 15:52 |
| fkoikoi | +1 | 15:53 |
| jelkner | kthomas, jkollie, fkoikoi, i'll let dcammue drive today and thursday | 15:53 |
| jelkner | and plan a intro to php for you next tuesday | 15:53 |
| fkoikoi | jelkner, | 15:53 |
| jelkner | okie dokie dcammue, it's all yours... | 15:53 |
| dcammue | thanks | 15:54 |
| dcammue | okay folks | 15:54 |
| dcammue | let us look at today topic | 15:55 |
| dcammue | https://ict.gracehopper.center/s26/courses/php/calendar/ | 15:55 |
| dcammue | so we will be talking about table for today | 15:55 |
| dcammue | we all want to know what a table is | 15:56 |
| dcammue | and what is use for | 15:56 |
| dcammue | and why are we talking about table in web development | 15:56 |
| dcammue | we all know that table usually be in room house :-) | 15:57 |
| dcammue | so can someone tell me why we need table? first what a table is? | 15:58 |
| kthomas | doesnt a table organize information | 15:58 |
| fkoikoi | table are used to organize data | 16:00 |
| dcammue | sure kthomas | 16:00 |
| dcammue | right | 16:00 |
| fkoikoi | and we need it to present data neatly | 16:00 |
| jkollie | Table in html are use to organize data in rows and columns | 16:00 |
| dcammue | so table is use to organize our data on the web page | 16:00 |
| dcammue | we do not want our data to be all over the place on the web | 16:01 |
| dcammue | so we use table to put the in their right place | 16:01 |
| dcammue | so we have few things that make up the table | 16:02 |
| dcammue | what are they? | 16:02 |
| jkollie | The tag, table row and column | 16:02 |
| fkoikoi | rows | 16:02 |
| fkoikoi | colums | 16:02 |
| dcammue | yes | 16:03 |
| dcammue | that just the field of the table | 16:03 |
| jkollie | and that of Table data | 16:04 |
| fkoikoi | the header, row and the container, i guess | 16:04 |
| dcammue | but we make the table of tr and the th elements | 16:04 |
| dcammue | these are the elements we use to hold data with in the table | 16:05 |
| dcammue | so the tr is call the table row | 16:05 |
| jkollie | And TD for table data | 16:06 |
| dcammue | the table row move from left to right | 16:06 |
| jkollie | Right dcamme | 16:06 |
| dcammue | yes' | 16:06 |
| dcammue | and the th is the data cell | 16:06 |
| dcammue | or table cell | 16:06 |
| dcammue | sorry | 16:07 |
| dcammue | th is table header | 16:07 |
| dcammue | so the tr and the td meet to make the box you see within the table | 16:08 |
| dcammue | let all look at the table in our lesson | 16:08 |
| dcammue | so in the table in the lesson, we saw day, period, and subject | 16:10 |
| dcammue | these three header are host by the th element | 16:10 |
| dcammue | are you all here | 16:12 |
| kthomas | yes | 16:12 |
| dcammue | and understanding what i am saying? | 16:12 |
| dcammue | so in the html file, you want to crate a table | 16:13 |
| dcammue | what firstly you will need to do | 16:13 |
| dcammue | ? | 16:13 |
| jkollie | You need to use the table tag | 16:14 |
| fkoikoi | start with the <table> tag | 16:14 |
| jkollie | And then follow by the tr and td | 16:15 |
| dcammue | yes | 16:15 |
| fkoikoi | or add <th> header | 16:16 |
| dcammue | so as you said rightly, you firstly get your table tag | 16:16 |
| dcammue | the opening and closing tags | 16:16 |
| dcammue | next step | 16:16 |
| dcammue | you add your th element | 16:17 |
| dcammue | for the header of your table | 16:17 |
| dcammue | and add the tr and td for give the fields or spaces in the table | 16:18 |
| dcammue | *to give* | 16:18 |
| dcammue | any question? | 16:22 |
| kthomas | no | 16:22 |
| fkoikoi | -1 | 16:22 |
| jkollie | -1 | 16:22 |
| dcammue | can i ask? | 16:22 |
| fkoikoi | +1 | 16:23 |
| jkollie | Please go ahead | 16:23 |
| dcammue | kthomas, this is for you | 16:23 |
| dcammue | i want to give an age of a woman, what will be my table header and table data? | 16:24 |
| kthomas | the age is the table data and the table header is the woman | 16:25 |
| kthomas | right | 16:25 |
| dcammue | yes! | 16:26 |
| dcammue | you got it right | 16:26 |
| dcammue | sweet | 16:26 |
| dcammue | you get assignment right | 16:27 |
| dcammue | your | 16:27 |
| jkollie | +1 | 16:27 |
| dcammue | please try to do it before the next class | 16:27 |
| jkollie | Alright | 16:28 |
| kthomas | ok | 16:29 |
| dcammue | so let do the table practice in the lesson | 16:29 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 16:29 |
| dcammue | i wish to see it on the site by Thursday | 16:29 |
| jkollie | Okay | 16:30 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 16:30 |
| dcammue | our mean and BIG GOAL here is to get the basic knowledge and skills of how the web application works | 16:30 |
| dcammue | and how to build our site(website) | 16:30 |
| fkoikoi | dcammue, and jelkner | 16:31 |
| dcammue | yes fkoikoi | 16:31 |
| fkoikoi | can i ask a question | 16:31 |
| dcammue | go ahead | 16:31 |
| fkoikoi | can i post the practices i did on my account or I'm only deal to post only the practice i do from the lesson or the book exercise?? | 16:33 |
| dcammue | fkoikoi, you can crate a page separate from the index page, and put you own practice work, if you do not want to get it confuse with the class lesson | 16:35 |
| dcammue | but they are all the same learning and the same thing we are doing | 16:35 |
| dcammue | so you decide | 16:36 |
| fkoikoi | okay | 16:36 |
| dcammue | for me, not to get it confused with my class lesson or practice work, i put it aside and link it to my index | 16:37 |
| fkoikoi | that's what i meant dcammue | 16:37 |
| dcammue | okay | 16:38 |
| fkoikoi | thanks | 16:38 |
| dcammue | then do it | 16:38 |
| fkoikoi | alright then | 16:38 |
| dcammue | so you all can get to read your lesson and do your assignment | 16:40 |
| fkoikoi | okay dcammue, thanks for the lesson today | 16:41 |
| jkollie | Alright | 16:42 |
| dcammue | thans for coming as well | 16:42 |
| dcammue | when we come on Thursday, we will recap before moving forward | 16:44 |
| jelkner | bell's about to ring | 16:53 |
| jelkner | thanks dcammue! | 16:54 |
| jelkner | i'll read the logs to see where you are | 16:54 |
| jelkner | see you on thursday | 16:54 |
| jelkner | ACTION signs off | 16:54 |
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| kthomas | bye everyone | 16:55 |
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