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| jelkner | Good morning ubuntuourist and mjsir911! | 08:51 |
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| mjsir911 | morning | 09:18 |
| jelkner | mjsir911: do you know what it means when a logged user is gray? | 09:22 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist appears that way in my window now | 09:22 |
| jelkner | is that some kind of "away status"? | 09:22 |
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| mjsir911 | yea lemme check | 09:23 |
| jelkner | Good morning, replaceafill! | 09:23 |
| replaceafill | good morning jelkner | 09:23 |
| mjsir911 | yea he is away, type in /whois ubuntourist | 09:23 |
| jelkner | cool, mjsir911, most useful | 09:24 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, i got an email from th1a this morning | 09:24 |
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| replaceafill | jelkner, oh, good news? | 09:25 |
| jelkner | he is a labor writer and he is covering cooperatives | 09:25 |
| jelkner | good morning, mr_german! | 09:25 |
| replaceafill | ah | 09:25 |
| mr_german | good morning, replaceafill , jelkner , ubuntourist , mjsir911 | 09:26 |
| jelkner | i'm sure our paths will cross again ;-) | 09:26 |
| replaceafill | :) | 09:26 |
| replaceafill | good morning mr_german | 09:26 |
| jelkner | mr_german, can you please paste the url of the git repo for Celina's website here? | 09:26 |
| mr_german | sure | 09:26 |
| mr_german | here's | 09:27 |
| mr_german | https://bitbucket.org/novawebdevelopment/celina-website | 09:27 |
| jelkner | thx! | 09:27 |
| jelkner | if you have some time after the meeting, we should try to get the update work flow down so that i can help with updating content | 09:28 |
| mr_german | ok | 09:28 |
| replaceafill | don't forget adding the README m | 09:28 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, | 09:28 |
| replaceafill | so others can set that up | 09:28 |
| mr_german | ok, replaceafill | 09:28 |
| jelkner | actually, replaceafill, why not make me do that? | 09:29 |
| jelkner | that would be an easy way to start testing the workflow. | 09:29 |
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| replaceafill | hhmm | 09:29 |
| jelkner | good morning, louisea! | 09:29 |
| louisea | good morning | 09:29 |
| mr_german | good morning, louisea | 09:29 |
| louisea | hello everyone | 09:30 |
| jelkner | it's going to be your show, this morning, how do you want to proceed? | 09:30 |
| louisea | how can I share that presentation? | 09:30 |
| jelkner | a url pasted here would be the easiest | 09:30 |
| louisea | cool | 09:30 |
| louisea | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1iL2fbZpLJV4ULkUvKS-ogRDUOZXsmCZa44vPRPRNHHw/edit#slide=id.p | 09:31 |
| louisea | I'll let people go through that themselves, and I'll just discuss some organizational things here on irc | 09:32 |
| jelkner | louisea, you had suggested we should use Google Hangouts for you to explain this to us, do you still want to do that? | 09:32 |
| louisea | I can type | 09:33 |
| jelkner | cool | 09:33 |
| jelkner | i was going to offer to take notes here | 09:33 |
| louisea | so slide 2 explains what a | 09:33 |
| louisea | LLC is | 09:33 |
| louisea | and what co-op members should know right now is that we are trying to figure out proper accounting | 09:34 |
| jelkner | what does "The corporate veil can be pierced if there has been misconduct such as intermingling of personal and corporate assets or undercapitalization at time of incorporation." mean? | 09:34 |
| louisea | and that something that concerns us is the part that jelkner highlighted... | 09:34 |
| louisea | what I think this means is that if we do not properly show that the business is in fact separate from our personal finances, then we are personally liable | 09:35 |
| jelkner | so good accounting is very important! | 09:36 |
| louisea | we would need to talk to an accountant to figure out how that works | 09:36 |
| louisea | the good news: | 09:36 |
| jelkner | and you are going to schedule an appointment with one, yes? | 09:36 |
| louisea | yes | 09:36 |
| louisea | and not that we should be lazy about our accounting, but in any case I think that if we practice good business with good clients we won't need to worry to much about lawsuits | 09:37 |
| jelkner | i fully concur | 09:37 |
| louisea | so... moving on | 09:37 |
| jelkner | our past practice has been predicated on "choosing our customers well" ;-) | 09:37 |
| jelkner | that's why a clear articulation of our mission is so important | 09:38 |
| louisea | And I'll send these following points out in an email because people should consider them | 09:38 |
| jelkner | we want to work with folks who share our believe in a just, human centered economy | 09:38 |
| jelkner | not dog eat dog | 09:39 |
| louisea | 1. We need to decide how often we will distribute our earnings. | 09:39 |
| ubuntourist | TAXES! I hate TAXES (well not the taxes per se, but the labirynthian nightmare they've become). | 09:40 |
| mjsir911 | wb | 09:40 |
| jelkner | wb? | 09:40 |
| mjsir911 | welcome back | 09:40 |
| louisea | 2. we need to decide what percentage of members votes are needed to admit new members | 09:41 |
| louisea | 3. or what percentage is needed to decide we should take on a job | 09:41 |
| louisea | I think these points will be more important down the road, but we should have them in the back of our mind now | 09:42 |
| jelkner | +1 | 09:42 |
| louisea | but right now we need to decide together what we are going to put in this document | 09:42 |
| louisea | which we can always change later | 09:42 |
| louisea | I vote for 2/3 quorum on all decisions | 09:43 |
| louisea | for now. Just to keep it simple | 09:43 |
| ubuntourist | I'm trying to catch up here, but as a related aside: Jen recently came across a copy of "LLC's for Dummies" and was planning to donate it to DC Books to Prisons. I said "Let me see if others want it first." | 09:43 |
| louisea | Yeah. That would be good to have | 09:44 |
| louisea | any opinions on percentage of members votes for decisions? new members, take on a job? | 09:46 |
| ubuntourist | While I understand that a co-op is, in part about shared governance, shared resources, | 09:47 |
| ubuntourist | I was under the impression that we're trying to come up with some sort of blended model of | 09:47 |
| ubuntourist | a "temp agency" and co-op at the same time. What I mean is that if an individual in the co-op finds | 09:48 |
| ubuntourist | a paying gig... Never mind. The more I tried to flesh out the idea in my head, the less logical it sounded. | 09:50 |
| jelkner | what do folks think about 2/3 vote of membership to adopt decisions? | 09:50 |
| louisea | that's cool. if the thought is struck by some logic. send it my way | 09:50 |
| ubuntourist | (I was thinking that somehow someone could do solo work under the NOVA Web umbrella, and just have NOVA Web deal with the B.S. parts. But we do want to prevent each other from digging a hole too deep for us to climb out of.) | 09:51 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, mr_german, thoughts? | 09:51 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, the target membership is ~15, right? | 09:52 |
| replaceafill | 2/3 seems fine to me | 09:52 |
| ubuntourist | 2/3 sounds reasonbable at that size or smaller. | 09:52 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist: i think so | 09:52 |
| louisea | Cool. We'll go with 2/3 then. | 09:52 |
| louisea | Again... we can always change it as we develop | 09:52 |
| ubuntourist | (At HacDC, where we have 60 paying members, last night's meetiing was about trying to herd 2/3's for timely voting, and how we're going to change the rules, because it isn't working.) | 09:53 |
| louisea | And that's easier to do right now while we are small | 09:53 |
| jelkner | louisea, what else do you need from us so that we can get down to changing our LLC to have us all as co-owners? | 09:53 |
| louisea | jelkner: I will get back to you as soon as I meet with the accountant. | 09:53 |
| louisea | We're going to have to purchase shares in some way | 09:54 |
| jelkner | ok | 09:54 |
| louisea | which means some accounting work | 09:54 |
| louisea | That's all I have for now. | 09:54 |
| jelkner | i have a question for folks. | 09:54 |
| jelkner | who wants to be involved in figuring out the accounting process? | 09:55 |
| jelkner | i'm asking because we don't want to leave anyone who is interested out, but we want it to be as agile as possible | 09:55 |
| * replaceafill hides :) | 09:55 | |
| louisea | I'm in. and a project partner would be great. | 09:55 |
| louisea | mostly just boring research haha | 09:56 |
| jelkner | i'm actually delighted to let louisea handle this part for me | 09:56 |
| jelkner | lol | 09:56 |
| jelkner | yup, that's why we reached out to an W&M grad to do it! ;-) | 09:56 |
| louisea | okay. well I plug along on that. | 09:56 |
| louisea | the main priority for me now is getting together with the accountant | 09:57 |
| jelkner | since you know Lindsey, and our brother | 09:57 |
| ubuntourist | I find that a lot of the stuff I encounter is not written in English (or any other natural or artificial language). Not merely boring, but impenatrable. | 09:57 |
| jelkner | you can schedule a meeting at kenny's office with them at your convenience | 09:57 |
| jelkner | and get back to us with the results | 09:57 |
| louisea | cool. I'll get on that | 09:58 |
| jelkner | sweet | 09:58 |
| louisea | One last thing... | 09:58 |
| ubuntourist | *IF* schedule and transportation permit, I can sit through a boring, impenatrable meetiing. | 09:58 |
| jelkner | shoot | 09:58 |
| louisea | thanks ubuntourist | 09:58 |
| jelkner | cool, louisea and ubuntourist will attend that meeting | 09:58 |
| louisea | where are we at on trying to find a bigger ticket customer? | 09:59 |
| jelkner | ubuntourist, mjsir911, and jelkner had a meeting with Dragana at Gallaudet yesterday | 09:59 |
| jelkner | Gallaudet has been our "bigger customer" for awhile already | 10:00 |
| ubuntourist | louisea, nudge me to give you my busy schedule. I may be able to bend it for a meeting, but wed, thur, weekends are best. | 10:00 |
| * ubuntourist is now on a phone call | 10:00 | |
| louisea | ubuntourist: thanks for letting me know. and will do | 10:00 |
| jelkner | it is really important that ubuntourist and mjsir911 deliver the goods on this current research project, since Dragana wants to establish and on-going parternship with us | 10:00 |
| louisea | jelkner: alright that sounds good. | 10:01 |
| louisea | should I start searching around for some other interesting prospects? | 10:01 |
| jelkner | yes! | 10:01 |
| louisea | cool. That's what I'll do this week. | 10:01 |
| louisea | finalize partnership agreement | 10:01 |
| louisea | set up meeting | 10:01 |
| jelkner | i'll work with mr_german, but having the national OR edorse our candidates | 10:01 |
| louisea | look into new customers | 10:02 |
| jelkner | is an important opportunity for us | 10:02 |
| louisea | definitely! | 10:02 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, where are you getting mr_german the paperwork to be a co-owner of a us business? | 10:02 |
| replaceafill | not much to do this week jelkner, it's a vacation here | 10:03 |
| jelkner | ok, we are at 30 minutes already | 10:03 |
| jelkner | and we like to keep meetings short | 10:03 |
| replaceafill | but i asked him to have his passport ready | 10:03 |
| jelkner | mr_german and jelkner are going to work on Celina and AEA update process today | 10:03 |
| jelkner | ok, anything else? | 10:04 |
| louisea | nothing more from me | 10:04 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, just take into account that nova and celina's website are bilingual | 10:04 |
| mr_german | we're going to have a hangout right now? jelkner | 10:05 |
| jelkner | yes, that's why we want to learn the process | 10:05 |
| replaceafill | so you'll need to consider updating the translations when some content changes | 10:05 |
| jelkner | mr_german, yes, give me 15 minutes to use the banyo | 10:05 |
| jelkner | then yes | 10:05 |
| * replaceafill done | 10:05 | |
| mr_german | Ok, jelkner | 10:05 |
| jelkner | anyone else? | 10:05 |
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| louisea | cool alright everyone. I'm out | 10:06 |
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| replaceafill | thanks everyboddy | 10:06 |
| ubuntourist | jelkner, too many things happening simultaneously this morning. Will read the log later. Don't forget to contact Seattle co-op dude about PyCon. | 11:10 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, looking at your code a bit. for degree in range(360): x=cos(degree), y=sin(degree) is more intuitive than quadratic equation for creating a circle. | 11:13 |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911, (Multiply the sin and cos to scale the circle.) | 11:14 |
| ubuntourist | And now I'm late. | 11:14 |
| ubuntourist | Bye | 11:14 |
| jelkner | Bye | 13:15 |
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