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| jelkner | Good morning Big_Brother and remindBot! | 09:04 |
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| jelkner | I hope mjsir911 and z0nny got my email | 09:04 |
| jelkner | so that they are ready for class today | 09:04 |
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| jelkner | Good morning mjsir911! | 09:11 |
| jelkner | Did you see my email? | 09:11 |
| mjsir911 | good morning | 09:11 |
| mjsir911 | that you wont be here today? yeah | 09:11 |
| jelkner | no, i sent a new one this morning | 09:11 |
| jelkner | with tasks for today | 09:11 |
| mjsir911 | Oh the class assignments, no I didn't but ill look over that | 09:12 |
| jelkner | please | 09:12 |
| jelkner | i'll be more relaxed knowing you have seen it | 09:12 |
| mjsir911 | And I have been making progress with sympy, I think I know how to convert the functions you made to work symbolicly | 09:12 |
| jelkner | i wrote a simple version of cartesian_to_polar | 09:12 |
| jelkner | great! | 09:12 |
| jelkner | Ali and Abel should work on polar_to_cartesian on their own | 09:13 |
| jelkner | please don't help them | 09:13 |
| mjsir911 | will do | 09:13 |
| jelkner | with all the resources i've provided, they should be able to do it | 09:13 |
| mjsir911 | I'll work on a simple way to turn what you've made to symbolic | 09:13 |
| mjsir911 | and work with edzon on javscript | 09:13 |
| jelkner | that would rock! | 09:13 |
| jelkner | thanks! | 09:13 |
| jelkner | i'll see you on thursday | 09:14 |
| jelkner | ok, meeting starting, gotta go... | 09:14 |
| mjsir911 | cya | 09:14 |
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| mr_german | hi replaceafill | 13:12 |
| replaceafill | hey mr_german | 13:13 |
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| mr_german | replaceafill, do we have meeting today or not? | 13:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, nope, but jelkner said you and Natalia could work on Elizabeth's site in the meantime | 13:35 |
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| mr_german | ok thanks!, replaceafill | 13:44 |
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| replaceafill | mr_german, look for jelkner's email titled "I won't be able to make tomorrow's meeting" | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, he requested "a brief update on your work" | 13:45 |
| replaceafill | so try to do that at the end of the day today | 13:45 |
| mr_german | Ok | 13:46 |
| mr_german | brb replaceafill | 13:47 |
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| mr_german | replaceafill: are you there? | 18:01 |
| replaceafill | hey mr_german | 18:17 |
| mr_german | replaceafill: can you join us on google hangout? | 18:21 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, not now, i'm in the middle of work | 18:22 |
| replaceafill | how about 5:00 pm? | 18:22 |
| replaceafill | (our time) | 18:22 |
| mr_german | replaceafill: Natalia will join us | 18:25 |
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| mr_german | hi nathlee_ | 18:26 |
| mr_german | :-) | 18:26 |
| nathlee_ | replaceafill: we have a question for you | 18:27 |
| replaceafill | yes? | 18:27 |
| nathlee_ | we need to know if we can change the way we had working on i mean about the tipography on the pictures. | 18:30 |
| replaceafill | nathlee_, ? | 18:32 |
| replaceafill | i don't understand the question | 18:32 |
| mr_german | replaceafill: She trying to say is, If we can change the way that we are working | 18:34 |
| mr_german | replaceafill: If we can use the image with the text include | 18:34 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, i explained nathlee_ why that's bad | 18:35 |
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| nathlee_ | Yep, we need to know ....it is okay if we include text with image?, mr_german said is better than other way | 18:40 |
| replaceafill | why is it better? | 18:41 |
| replaceafill | my opinion is that having an image with text loses you a lot of flexibility | 18:42 |
| replaceafill | and it's bad for SEO | 18:42 |
| mr_german | replaceafill: that's true! | 18:42 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, why can't you achieve the same result with plain text and css | 18:43 |
| nathlee_ | but we lost some details about design | 18:43 |
| replaceafill | nathlee_, such as? | 18:43 |
| nathlee_ | and mr_german said it is too hard to put the text on image | 18:44 |
| replaceafill | as usual, you're free to do what you think it's best | 18:44 |
| replaceafill | i'm not your client | 18:44 |
| replaceafill | i can only RECOMMEND | 18:44 |
| replaceafill | if mr_german could translate "it is too hard" into hours, that | 18:45 |
| replaceafill | would help the conversation | 18:45 |
| replaceafill | suppose your client asks for different text, or a different photo | 18:46 |
| replaceafill | or just a couple of points down in the font size... | 18:46 |
| replaceafill | are we going to keep asking nathlee_ to do all these variations | 18:47 |
| replaceafill | that's innefficient in my opinion | 18:47 |
| replaceafill | maybe that'll never happen | 18:47 |
| replaceafill | and the client won't notice or care | 18:47 |
| mr_german | replaceafill: I don't sure exatly .. | 18:48 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, nathlee_ you now have everything you need from me | 18:49 |
| replaceafill | i don't have "an answer" to your question | 18:49 |
| replaceafill | have you even tried doing it through pure text? | 18:50 |
| replaceafill | did you fail? | 18:50 |
| replaceafill | what didn't work that time? | 18:50 |
| replaceafill | see my point? | 18:50 |
| replaceafill | "it's too hard" doesn't say much | 18:50 |
| replaceafill | another route i could propose | 18:52 |
| replaceafill | i know, this is getting boring already... | 18:52 |
| replaceafill | why don't you work with the image with text | 18:52 |
| replaceafill | nathlee_, provides both versions | 18:52 |
| replaceafill | you present something TODAY/SOON to the client | 18:52 |
| replaceafill | if the client approves, you can try the text version after that | 18:53 |
| replaceafill | that gives you time | 18:53 |
| nathlee_ | Ok, is better like that | 18:53 |
| replaceafill | otherwise you should probably ask jelkner | 18:53 |
| replaceafill | he has more wisdom that me on this kind of things | 18:53 |
| nathlee_ | Great! it sounds good to me | 18:55 |
| nathlee_ | thanks for your patience... replaceafill | 18:55 |
| replaceafill | please both read the accepted answer and the comments here: | 18:55 |
| replaceafill | https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/41593/is-the-usage-of-text-embedded-in-an-image-a-bad-practice-for-very-controlled-us | 18:55 |
| replaceafill | it'll give you some perspective on why i'm acting like an ass on this | 18:56 |
| replaceafill | i do most of the time i know | 18:56 |
| replaceafill | but in this case i've seen it failing... | 18:56 |
| remindBot | Talk about /me clockin /me clockout and ask for protocol for recording project worked on | 19:00 |
| remindBot | Establish NOVA Webster style guidelines for HTML templates | 19:00 |
| remindBot | replaceafill's principles: | 19:00 |
| remindBot | 1. We must always follow the testing site to production site workflow. | 19:00 |
| remindBot | 2. We can improve existing things by just reusing the original content, | 19:00 |
| remindBot | Share "Best Practices" doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z6lCKCp40T9xXGLhcGpX_yakH0Cxe9WleAvIMPL89jw/edit?usp=sharing | 19:00 |
| remindBot | Go over AEA sites and remove the ones we are not using from webfaction | 19:00 |
| replaceafill | :D | 19:00 |
| mjsir911 | so again, these google docs are shared publicly on the internet | 19:00 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, indeed | 19:00 |
| mjsir911 | Dunno if thats a problem for this particular document but we should try and avoid defaulting to that | 19:01 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, at least these don't contain passwords | 19:01 |
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| mjsir911 | so first on the agenda is clocking in and out | 19:02 |
| mjsir911 | Right now nothing's been setup but jeff suggests doing /me clockIn and /me clockOut to track our hours, its easy enough to track that through the logs and eventually I'll try and implement something to track it automatically | 19:03 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, my opinion is that it won't be as accurate as jelkner would expect | 19:03 |
| replaceafill | but i'm not opposed to you doing it | 19:04 |
| mjsir911 | I agree since personally I cant trust myself to clock in and out whenever im working, but we should take it up with him | 19:04 |
| replaceafill | or typos, or.. etc | 19:04 |
| replaceafill | sure | 19:04 |
| Rena_ | I like the idea, seems more accurate then self recording to me | 19:04 |
| mjsir911 | If it becomes a pattern tho im sure it will grow with efficiency | 19:04 |
| mjsir911 | so replaceafill, style guidelines? | 19:05 |
| replaceafill | i think it's the usual: | 19:06 |
| replaceafill | don't use tabs, use spaces | 19:06 |
| replaceafill | 4 for python, 4 for JS | 19:06 |
| replaceafill | 2 for html/templating engines | 19:06 |
| replaceafill | i don't know | 19:06 |
| replaceafill | as far as i know there's not a "standard" | 19:07 |
| mjsir911 | k well your word is law regarding these things | 19:07 |
| replaceafill | 79 chars widths, etc | 19:07 |
| mjsir911 | since there really is no standard but as a coop we have to have consistent formatting | 19:07 |
| replaceafill | it shouldn't be :S | 19:07 |
| replaceafill | or we're doomed ;) | 19:07 |
| replaceafill | indeed | 19:07 |
| replaceafill | which should be documented sometwhere | 19:07 |
| replaceafill | i think THAT's the starting point | 19:07 |
| replaceafill | the documenting process | 19:07 |
| mjsir911 | agreed, probably publicly accessible as well | 19:08 |
| replaceafill | yes | 19:08 |
| replaceafill | and with tools to back it up | 19:08 |
| replaceafill | tidy, pep8, linters, etc | 19:08 |
| replaceafill | i said i'd write about this, but i haven't even started :( | 19:09 |
| mjsir911 | well I could provide simple .vimrc plugins since I know a few of us use vim | 19:09 |
| replaceafill | also investigate git commit hooks | 19:09 |
| replaceafill | those help | 19:09 |
| mjsir911 | oh yes i looked into that | 19:09 |
| replaceafill | not webhooks, commit hooks, right? | 19:10 |
| mjsir911 | for devel -> prodction deployments, from what I've seen it seems to be able to ssh into a machine or do post requests to a web server | 19:10 |
| mjsir911 | yea github's specific implementation of the whole thing | 19:10 |
| replaceafill | https://git-scm.com/book/gr/v2/Customizing-Git-Git-Hooks | 19:10 |
| replaceafill | i think you're talking about webhooks | 19:10 |
| mjsir911 | oh yes sorry :P, git-hooks are git specific implementations and allow simple scripts to run when you do specific things on the local git repo, yea? | 19:11 |
| replaceafill | correct | 19:11 |
| replaceafill | so a commit with tabs instead of spaces won't pass | 19:11 |
| mjsir911 | So do you prefer git-hooks or web-hooks? | 19:11 |
| mjsir911 | both seem to be rather similar other than client-side configuration vs server-side | 19:12 |
| replaceafill | for style guides/quality, commit hooks is what we want | 19:12 |
| mjsir911 | makes sense, for checking if everything is compliant | 19:12 |
| mjsir911 | do you know if there are ways for global hooks? | 19:12 |
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| replaceafill | mjsir911, global? | 19:13 |
| mjsir911 | like affecting all git repositories, since copying a folder full of scripts per git repo might seem like a hassle if you have to do it a lot | 19:13 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, ah | 19:13 |
| replaceafill | not really, i think they live in the repo | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | i mean, in the .git directory | 19:14 |
| mjsir911 | I see, well I'll look into git-hooks and figure out an easy implementation of them. | 19:14 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, good | 19:14 |
| mjsir911 | for style checking, since i thinkg web-hooks are what we want for deployment managment | 19:15 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, +1 | 19:15 |
| mjsir911 | replaceafill, I'll probably talk to you later about setting up web-hooks and figuring out some decisions since they seem to be massive security issues if done wrong | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, sure | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | and sometimes they get in the middle to be honest | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | well it depends on what you try to accomplish | 19:16 |
| replaceafill | but yeah, we can talk about it later | 19:17 |
| mjsir911 | we're aiming for auto-deployment when pushing to the master branch | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | yes | 19:17 |
| mjsir911 | so next up is the google doc of best practices | 19:17 |
| replaceafill | we should wait for jelkner to explain that | 19:18 |
| mjsir911 | idk what this is, do you know what jeff was hoping for with this? | 19:18 |
| mjsir911 | yea ok | 19:18 |
| mjsir911 | ok and finally, AEA sites | 19:18 |
| mjsir911 | we should review and delete the unused ones? | 19:18 |
| replaceafill | yes, archive them really | 19:19 |
| replaceafill | (just in case) | 19:19 |
| mjsir911 | Do you have access to the webfaction? I feel like you know of these the best and so you should at least make a list of what's needed | 19:19 |
| replaceafill | but yeah, we should only have webfaction webapps that are... useful | 19:19 |
| replaceafill | mjsir911, i think jelkner and mr_german are going to work on that later | 19:19 |
| replaceafill | (or at least get that process started) | 19:20 |
| mjsir911 | ok well then I think that's it | 19:20 |
| replaceafill | last thing from me | 19:20 |
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| replaceafill | Rena_, anything to report? | 19:20 |
| mjsir911 | oh hi there | 19:20 |
| Rena_ | not really, have finals in two days | 19:20 |
| replaceafill | Rena_, ah ok | 19:20 |
| replaceafill | i just wanted to say | 19:20 |
| Rena_ | I'm free after the 19th | 19:20 |
| replaceafill | i saw Lee's django app | 19:20 |
| replaceafill | nice work | 19:21 |
| Rena_ | ty | 19:21 |
| replaceafill | and meet inathlee_, she's a designer from here (El Salvador) | 19:21 |
| replaceafill | she's doing some work for Elizabeth's website with mr_german | 19:21 |
| Rena_ | hi, nice to meet you | 19:21 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, anything to report? | 19:22 |
| ubuntourist | Getting ready for a HacDC Board meeting, but, as of two hours ago, card PDFs for the three of us going to PyCon are at the printers. | 19:22 |
| replaceafill | ah! nice | 19:22 |
| inathlee_ | nice to meet you too Rena_ | 19:22 |
| ubuntourist | Those were the urgent one, and since I'm paying for them, I could only afford so much at one go. | 19:23 |
| replaceafill | inathlee_, Rena_ is who designed Elizabeth's original site :) | 19:23 |
| replaceafill | ubuntourist, ah | 19:23 |
| ubuntourist | Once they're in, we can check the quality and make changes, though we've got 100 each. | 19:23 |
| inathlee_ | Great work! ;) Rena_ | 19:24 |
| mjsir911 | oh yea ubuntourist how much quality can I have my qr code? I still want to embed my contact but i think the way you went is a nice compromise | 19:24 |
| Rena_ | ty | 19:24 |
| ubuntourist | (This was my second attempt at Scribus, and I imagine there is much to learn. | 19:24 |
| * replaceafill has good/old memories with Scribus | 19:25 | |
| ubuntourist | mjsir911 Sorry, no QR code on yours. I had to get them to the printer in order to have them by PyCon. | 19:25 |
| mjsir911 | ah i see, thats too bad | 19:25 |
| ubuntourist | But I told them to do as small a run as possible, so that we would be able revisit. | 19:26 |
| inathlee_ | you're welcome Rena_ | 19:26 |
| mjsir911 | Good, we should get on that eventually rather than waiting till we had to like this time | 19:26 |
| replaceafill | ok, anything else? i'd like to keep this under 30 mins | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | following jelkner's plan :) | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | i miss jelkner :'( | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | but thank you mjsir911 for taking care of this | 19:27 |
| replaceafill | i assumed we were not meeting at all :S | 19:28 |
| mjsir911 | Oh yea well we're trying to get rid of single points of failure :) | 19:28 |
| replaceafill | touche! | 19:28 |
| replaceafill | ok everybody see you next week, or whenever jelkner says :D | 19:29 |
| * mjsir911 drops some gravel :P | 19:29 | |
| ubuntourist | It's a democracy. ;-_ | 19:29 |
| ubuntourist | ta-ta | 19:29 |
| replaceafill | or whenever anyone says? | 19:30 |
| replaceafill | :D | 19:30 |
| * ubuntourist votes yea | 19:30 | |
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| replaceafill | mr_german, you're late for the meeting! | 19:30 |
| replaceafill | it's like someone told you there was no meeting today... | 19:31 |
| replaceafill | like if* | 19:31 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, thankfully we have irclogs | 19:31 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, inathlee_ hang out? | 19:31 |
| mr_german | sure replaceafill | 19:32 |
| Rena_ | :( | 19:32 |
| replaceafill | inathlee_, hang out? | 19:34 |
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