IRC log of #novawebdev for Tuesday, 2017-05-09

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jelknerGood morning Big_Brother and remindBot!09:04
jelknerI hope mjsir911 and z0nny got my email09:04
jelknerso that they are ready for class today09:04
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jelknerGood morning mjsir911!09:11
jelknerDid you see my email?09:11
mjsir911good morning09:11
mjsir911that you wont be here today? yeah09:11
jelknerno, i sent a new one this morning09:11
jelknerwith tasks for today09:11
mjsir911Oh the class assignments, no I didn't but ill look over that09:12
jelknerplease09:12
jelkneri'll be more relaxed knowing you have seen it09:12
mjsir911And I have been making progress with sympy, I think I know how to convert the functions you made to work symbolicly09:12
jelkneri wrote a simple version of cartesian_to_polar09:12
jelknergreat!09:12
jelknerAli and Abel should work on polar_to_cartesian on their own09:13
jelknerplease don't help them09:13
mjsir911will do09:13
jelknerwith all the resources i've provided, they should be able to do it09:13
mjsir911I'll work on a simple way to turn what you've made to symbolic09:13
mjsir911and work with edzon on javscript09:13
jelknerthat would rock!09:13
jelknerthanks!09:13
jelkneri'll see you on thursday09:14
jelknerok, meeting starting, gotta go...09:14
mjsir911cya09:14
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mr_germanhi replaceafill 13:12
replaceafillhey mr_german13:13
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mr_germanreplaceafill, do we have meeting today or not?13:34
replaceafillmr_german, nope, but jelkner said you and Natalia could work on Elizabeth's site in the meantime13:35
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mr_germanok thanks!, replaceafill 13:44
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replaceafillmr_german, look for jelkner's email titled "I won't be able to make tomorrow's meeting"13:45
replaceafillmr_german, he requested "a brief update on your work"13:45
replaceafillso try to do that at the end of the day today13:45
mr_germanOk13:46
mr_germanbrb replaceafill 13:47
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mr_germanreplaceafill: are you there?18:01
replaceafillhey mr_german18:17
mr_germanreplaceafill: can you join us on google hangout?18:21
replaceafillmr_german, not now, i'm in the middle of work18:22
replaceafillhow about 5:00 pm?18:22
replaceafill(our time)18:22
mr_germanreplaceafill: Natalia will join us 18:25
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mr_germanhi nathlee_ 18:26
mr_german:-)18:26
nathlee_replaceafill: we have a question for you18:27
replaceafillyes?18:27
nathlee_we need to know if we can change the way we had working  on  i mean about the tipography  on the pictures.18:30
replaceafillnathlee_, ?18:32
replaceafilli don't understand the question18:32
mr_germanreplaceafill: She trying to say is, If we can change the way that we are working18:34
mr_germanreplaceafill: If we can use the image with the text include18:34
replaceafillmr_german, i explained nathlee_ why that's bad18:35
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nathlee_Yep, we need to know ....it is okay if we include text with image?, mr_german  said is better than other way18:40
replaceafillwhy is it better?18:41
replaceafillmy opinion is that having an image with text loses you a lot of flexibility18:42
replaceafilland it's bad for SEO18:42
mr_germanreplaceafill: that's true!18:42
replaceafillmr_german, why can't you achieve the same result with plain text and css18:43
nathlee_but we lost some details about design18:43
replaceafillnathlee_, such as?18:43
nathlee_and mr_german  said it is too hard to put the text on image 18:44
replaceafillas usual, you're free to do what you think it's best18:44
replaceafilli'm not your client18:44
replaceafilli can only RECOMMEND18:44
replaceafillif mr_german could translate "it is too hard" into hours, that18:45
replaceafillwould help the conversation18:45
replaceafillsuppose your client asks for different text, or a different photo18:46
replaceafillor just a couple of points down in the font size...18:46
replaceafillare we going to keep asking nathlee_ to do all these variations18:47
replaceafillthat's innefficient in my opinion18:47
replaceafillmaybe that'll never happen18:47
replaceafilland the client won't notice or care18:47
mr_germanreplaceafill: I don't sure exatly ..18:48
replaceafillmr_german, nathlee_ you now have everything you need from me18:49
replaceafilli don't have "an answer" to your question18:49
replaceafillhave you even tried doing it through pure text?18:50
replaceafilldid you fail?18:50
replaceafillwhat didn't work that time?18:50
replaceafillsee my point?18:50
replaceafill"it's too hard" doesn't say much18:50
replaceafillanother route i could propose18:52
replaceafilli know, this is getting boring already...18:52
replaceafillwhy don't you work with the image with text18:52
replaceafillnathlee_, provides both versions18:52
replaceafillyou present something TODAY/SOON to the client18:52
replaceafillif the client approves, you can try the text version after that18:53
replaceafillthat gives you time18:53
nathlee_Ok, is better like that18:53
replaceafillotherwise you should probably ask jelkner18:53
replaceafillhe has more wisdom that me on this kind of things18:53
nathlee_Great! it sounds good to me18:55
nathlee_thanks for your patience... replaceafill 18:55
replaceafillplease both read the accepted answer and the comments here:18:55
replaceafillhttps://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/41593/is-the-usage-of-text-embedded-in-an-image-a-bad-practice-for-very-controlled-us18:55
replaceafillit'll give you some perspective on why i'm acting like an ass on this18:56
replaceafilli do most of the time i know18:56
replaceafillbut in this case i've seen it failing...18:56
remindBotTalk about /me clockin /me clockout and ask for protocol for recording project worked on19:00
remindBotEstablish NOVA Webster style guidelines for HTML templates19:00
remindBotreplaceafill's principles:19:00
remindBot1. We must always follow the testing site to production site workflow.19:00
remindBot2. We can improve existing things by just reusing the original content,19:00
remindBotShare "Best Practices" doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z6lCKCp40T9xXGLhcGpX_yakH0Cxe9WleAvIMPL89jw/edit?usp=sharing19:00
remindBotGo over AEA sites and remove the ones we are not using from webfaction19:00
replaceafill:D19:00
mjsir911so again, these google docs are shared publicly on the internet19:00
replaceafillmjsir911, indeed19:00
mjsir911Dunno if thats a problem for this particular document but we should try and avoid defaulting to that19:01
replaceafillmjsir911, at least these don't contain passwords19:01
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mjsir911so first on the agenda is clocking in and out19:02
mjsir911Right now nothing's been setup but jeff suggests doing /me clockIn and /me clockOut to track our hours, its easy enough to track that through the logs and eventually I'll try and implement something to track it automatically19:03
replaceafillmjsir911, my opinion is that it won't be as accurate as jelkner would expect19:03
replaceafillbut i'm not opposed to you doing it19:04
mjsir911I agree since personally I cant trust myself to clock in and out whenever im working, but we should take it up with him19:04
replaceafillor typos, or.. etc19:04
replaceafillsure19:04
Rena_I like the idea, seems more accurate then self recording to me19:04
mjsir911If it becomes a pattern tho im sure it will grow with efficiency19:04
mjsir911so replaceafill, style guidelines?19:05
replaceafilli think it's the usual:19:06
replaceafilldon't use tabs, use spaces19:06
replaceafill4 for python, 4 for JS19:06
replaceafill2 for html/templating engines19:06
replaceafilli don't know19:06
replaceafill as far as i know there's not a "standard"19:07
mjsir911k well your word is law regarding these things19:07
replaceafill79 chars widths, etc19:07
mjsir911since there really is no standard but as a coop we have to have consistent formatting19:07
replaceafillit shouldn't be :S19:07
replaceafillor we're doomed ;)19:07
replaceafillindeed19:07
replaceafillwhich should be documented sometwhere19:07
replaceafilli think THAT's the starting point19:07
replaceafillthe documenting process19:07
mjsir911agreed, probably publicly accessible as well19:08
replaceafillyes19:08
replaceafilland with tools to back it up19:08
replaceafilltidy, pep8, linters, etc19:08
replaceafilli said i'd write about this, but i haven't even started :(19:09
mjsir911well I could provide simple .vimrc plugins since I know a few of us use vim19:09
replaceafillalso investigate git commit hooks19:09
replaceafillthose help19:09
mjsir911oh yes i looked into that19:09
replaceafillnot webhooks, commit hooks, right?19:10
mjsir911for devel -> prodction deployments, from what I've seen it seems to be able to ssh into a machine or do post requests to a web server19:10
mjsir911yea github's specific implementation of the whole thing19:10
replaceafillhttps://git-scm.com/book/gr/v2/Customizing-Git-Git-Hooks19:10
replaceafilli think you're talking about webhooks19:10
mjsir911oh yes sorry :P, git-hooks are git specific implementations and allow simple scripts to run when you do specific things on the local git repo, yea?19:11
replaceafillcorrect19:11
replaceafillso a commit with tabs instead of spaces won't pass19:11
mjsir911So do you prefer git-hooks or web-hooks?19:11
mjsir911both seem to be rather similar other than client-side configuration vs server-side19:12
replaceafillfor style guides/quality, commit hooks is what we want19:12
mjsir911makes sense, for checking if everything is compliant19:12
mjsir911do you know if there are ways for global hooks?19:12
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replaceafillmjsir911, global?19:13
mjsir911like affecting all git repositories, since copying a folder full of scripts per git repo might seem like a hassle if you have to do it a lot19:13
replaceafillmjsir911, ah19:13
replaceafillnot really, i think they live in the repo19:14
replaceafilli mean, in the .git directory19:14
mjsir911I see, well I'll look into git-hooks and figure out an easy implementation of them.19:14
replaceafillmjsir911, good19:14
mjsir911for style checking, since i thinkg web-hooks are what we want for deployment managment19:15
replaceafillmjsir911, +119:15
mjsir911replaceafill, I'll probably talk to you later about setting up web-hooks and figuring out some decisions since they seem to be massive security issues if done wrong19:16
replaceafillmjsir911, sure19:16
replaceafilland sometimes they get in the middle to be honest19:16
replaceafillwell it depends on what you try to accomplish19:16
replaceafillbut yeah, we can talk about it later19:17
mjsir911we're aiming for auto-deployment when pushing to the master branch19:17
replaceafillyes19:17
mjsir911so next up is the google doc of best practices19:17
replaceafillwe should wait for jelkner to explain that19:18
mjsir911idk what this is, do you know what jeff was hoping for with this?19:18
mjsir911yea ok19:18
mjsir911ok and finally, AEA sites19:18
mjsir911we should review and delete the unused ones?19:18
replaceafillyes, archive them really19:19
replaceafill(just in case)19:19
mjsir911Do you have access to the webfaction? I feel like you know of these the best and so you should at least make a list of what's needed19:19
replaceafillbut yeah, we should only have webfaction webapps that are... useful19:19
replaceafillmjsir911, i think jelkner and mr_german are going to work on that later19:19
replaceafill(or at least get that process started)19:20
mjsir911ok well then I think that's it19:20
replaceafilllast thing from me19:20
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replaceafillRena_, anything to report?19:20
mjsir911oh hi there19:20
Rena_not really, have finals in two days19:20
replaceafillRena_, ah ok19:20
replaceafilli just wanted to say19:20
Rena_I'm free after the 19th19:20
replaceafilli saw Lee's django app19:20
replaceafillnice work19:21
Rena_ty19:21
replaceafilland meet inathlee_, she's a designer from here (El Salvador)19:21
replaceafillshe's doing some work for Elizabeth's website with mr_german19:21
Rena_hi, nice to meet you19:21
replaceafillubuntourist, anything to report?19:22
ubuntouristGetting ready for a HacDC Board meeting, but, as of two hours ago, card PDFs for the three of us going to PyCon are at the printers.19:22
replaceafillah! nice19:22
inathlee_nice to meet you too Rena_ 19:22
ubuntouristThose were the urgent one, and since I'm paying for them, I could only afford so much at one go.19:23
replaceafillinathlee_, Rena_ is who designed Elizabeth's original site :)19:23
replaceafillubuntourist, ah19:23
ubuntouristOnce they're in, we can check the quality and make changes, though we've got 100 each.19:23
inathlee_Great work! ;) Rena_ 19:24
mjsir911oh yea ubuntourist how much quality can I have my qr code? I still want to embed my contact but i think the way you went is a nice compromise19:24
Rena_ty19:24
ubuntourist(This was my second attempt at Scribus, and I imagine there is much to learn.19:24
* replaceafill has good/old memories with Scribus19:25
ubuntouristmjsir911 Sorry, no QR code on yours. I had to get them to the printer in order to have them by PyCon. 19:25
mjsir911ah i see, thats too bad19:25
ubuntouristBut I told them to do as small a run as possible, so that we would be able revisit.19:26
inathlee_you're welcome Rena_ 19:26
mjsir911Good, we should get on that eventually rather than waiting till we had to like this time19:26
replaceafillok, anything else? i'd like to keep this under 30 mins19:27
replaceafillfollowing jelkner's plan :)19:27
replaceafilli miss jelkner :'(19:27
replaceafillbut thank you mjsir911 for taking care of this19:27
replaceafilli assumed we were not meeting at all :S19:28
mjsir911Oh yea well we're trying to get rid of single points of failure :)19:28
replaceafilltouche!19:28
replaceafillok everybody see you next week, or whenever jelkner says :D19:29
* mjsir911 drops some gravel :P19:29
ubuntouristIt's a democracy. ;-_19:29
ubuntouristta-ta19:29
replaceafillor whenever anyone says?19:30
replaceafill:D19:30
* ubuntourist votes yea19:30
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replaceafillmr_german, you're late for the meeting!19:30
replaceafillit's like someone told you there was no meeting today...19:31
replaceafilllike if*19:31
replaceafillmr_german, thankfully we have irclogs19:31
replaceafillmr_german, inathlee_ hang out?19:31
mr_germansure replaceafill 19:32
Rena_:(19:32
replaceafillinathlee_, hang out?19:34
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