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| jelkner | Good morning bots! | 08:55 |
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| mr_german | good morning, jelkner | 09:10 |
| jelkner | good morning, mr_german! | 09:12 |
| jelkner | we can meet as soon as replaceafill makes his appearance | 09:13 |
| mr_german | sure | 09:13 |
| mr_german | :-) | 09:13 |
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| jelkner | Good morning, replaceafill | 09:25 |
| jelkner | ru ready? | 09:25 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, almost, i'm making coffee | 09:26 |
| replaceafill | i'll be ready in a couple of minutes | 09:26 |
| jelkner | ahh, not ready without coffee. i *totally* understand that! | 09:26 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, mr_german i'm ready | 09:28 |
| jelkner | sweet, let's make this short and to the point | 09:29 |
| jelkner | mr_german, ru ready? | 09:29 |
| mr_german | jelkner, yes | 09:29 |
| jelkner | ok, agenda: | 09:29 |
| jelkner | 1. finances | 09:30 |
| jelkner | 2. work plan | 09:30 |
| jelkner | sound good? | 09:30 |
| replaceafill | sure | 09:30 |
| jelkner | ok, as we've been discussing, to really launch NOVA Web, we need a full time developer | 09:30 |
| jelkner | mr_german, as we have agree, is that person | 09:30 |
| jelkner | so i just wanted to make it "official" since we did it so informally, that until such time as the well runs dry, mr_german should be clocking 40 hours per week | 09:31 |
| jelkner | i don't have time to check time logs, etc, so i will assume you are doing that, mr_german, yes? | 09:32 |
| mr_german | jelkner, yes | 09:32 |
| jelkner | great | 09:32 |
| replaceafill | hhmm | 09:32 |
| jelkner | now, i am waiting for a bank loan to pay for this next period | 09:32 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you're not recording 40h/week | 09:32 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, you could check up on that | 09:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, to be honest i don't think 40 h/week is even possible | 09:33 |
| jelkner | why? | 09:33 |
| mr_german | Oh | 09:33 |
| mr_german | 40h per week no | 09:33 |
| jelkner | i'm confused | 09:33 |
| mr_german | just 40h | 09:33 |
| mr_german | per month | 09:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, a lot of factors, i don't consider we have 40 h/week load of work | 09:33 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, sure we have a few rushes here and there | 09:34 |
| replaceafill | but once those pass, things get calmer | 09:34 |
| replaceafill | and since i consider mr_german tracks hours in an accurate way | 09:35 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, we aren't doing the work we have | 09:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, that too | 09:35 |
| jelkner | let me switch up, then | 09:35 |
| replaceafill | you need discipline | 09:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner sure | 09:35 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i understand there are A LOT of things that need to be done | 09:35 |
| jelkner | lets start with what needs to be done: | 09:36 |
| replaceafill | :) | 09:36 |
| replaceafill | ok | 09:36 |
| jelkner | 1. We need to serve the PWPC candidates with *fast* response times and helpful initiative | 09:36 |
| jelkner | 2. We need to develop other innovative products we can market | 09:36 |
| jelkner | in the broad sense, that's where we are | 09:37 |
| jelkner | we are de facto positioning ourselves as specialists in electoral candidates websites | 09:37 |
| replaceafill | :) | 09:37 |
| jelkner | so we need to get *GOOD* at that if we are going to turn it into a produce we can sell | 09:37 |
| jelkner | but i dont' think that will be enough | 09:38 |
| jelkner | which is why things like the evote app will be important | 09:38 |
| jelkner | perhaps other things you can come up with | 09:38 |
| replaceafill | i don't have any in mind at the moment | 09:38 |
| jelkner | even with evote, we are moving *very* slowly | 09:39 |
| replaceafill | i thought we decided mr_german was not going to be in charge of that | 09:39 |
| replaceafill | is he now? | 09:39 |
| jelkner | good point, that's why we are meeting | 09:39 |
| replaceafill | or is he going to be | 09:39 |
| jelkner | i should be more explicit in my thinking | 09:40 |
| jelkner | (explicit is better than implicit! ;-) | 09:40 |
| replaceafill | :D | 09:40 |
| jelkner | the way i am thinking, mr_german is going to be our first full time worker | 09:40 |
| jelkner | that's why i was talking 40 hours | 09:40 |
| jelkner | so he would then be responsible for all major products | 09:41 |
| jelkner | since we are building our offering around him to start | 09:41 |
| replaceafill | makes sense | 09:41 |
| jelkner | we need something to sell | 09:41 |
| jelkner | we need someone to do it | 09:41 |
| jelkner | he is the only one among us currently available for full time | 09:41 |
| jelkner | so we build NOVA Web around mr_german in the first phase | 09:41 |
| jelkner | i've been saying that, but not being clear what it means | 09:42 |
| replaceafill | but for the record i don't think 40h/week is feasible | 09:42 |
| replaceafill | even at peak times | 09:42 |
| jelkner | it really means that what louisea will be tasked to sell is what mr_german can do | 09:42 |
| replaceafill | tracking time like mr_german is | 09:42 |
| jelkner | replaceafill, can you be in charge of managing that part of it? | 09:43 |
| replaceafill | 40h/week is easier to get if you start rounding numbers | 09:43 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, still | 09:43 |
| replaceafill | that's my point | 09:43 |
| jelkner | i mean mr_german's hours | 09:43 |
| replaceafill | sure | 09:43 |
| jelkner | perfect | 09:43 |
| jelkner | then we can stop talking about hours | 09:44 |
| replaceafill | but what my point is, we won't get 40h/week | 09:44 |
| replaceafill | all the time | 09:44 |
| jelkner | and focus on tasks | 09:44 |
| replaceafill | ok | 09:44 |
| replaceafill | sure | 09:44 |
| jelkner | mr_german, practically speaking, if you don't take charge of it, i don't think it will get done | 09:44 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, does need to work more hours, that's clear | 09:44 |
| jelkner | so evote would have to go to you | 09:44 |
| jelkner | you will need the sys admins to set it up | 09:44 |
| mr_german | ok | 09:45 |
| jelkner | you can count on mjsir911 to do whatever wizzardry needs doing | 09:45 |
| jelkner | but *only* if you ask him to do, test it, give him feedback, etc | 09:45 |
| replaceafill | +1 | 09:45 |
| jelkner | the rest of us are all part time | 09:45 |
| jelkner | we have too many discontinuities in our daily lives to be effective at following through | 09:46 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, it's like what i told you about Natalia in our last meeting, she's support for you | 09:46 |
| jelkner | we need one full time person | 09:46 |
| jelkner | and if you are willing, it makes the most sense for that person to be you | 09:46 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, you need to start seeing it like that | 09:46 |
| jelkner | and so is Rena, mjsir911, me, louisea, etc | 09:47 |
| jelkner | all of us at this stage | 09:47 |
| jelkner | it is my job to help you with that | 09:47 |
| jelkner | since as i promised replaceafill, i will be responsible for "managing" the "big picture" | 09:47 |
| jelkner | i'll keep track of broad goals, noting how we are doing with them, etc. | 09:48 |
| jelkner | what i can't do is manage the day to day details of getting things done | 09:48 |
| jelkner | i don't have time | 09:48 |
| jelkner | we need someone who does have time | 09:48 |
| jelkner | and that someone is you, mr_german | 09:48 |
| jelkner | are you up for that? | 09:48 |
| replaceafill | i usually do what i can there | 09:48 |
| replaceafill | but i also have a job | 09:49 |
| jelkner | totally, replaceafill, you and i are in the same boat | 09:49 |
| jelkner | mr_german, how do you feel about this? | 09:49 |
| mr_german | jelkner, nervous | 09:49 |
| replaceafill | :) | 09:49 |
| jelkner | lol | 09:50 |
| replaceafill | mr_german, it's natural | 09:50 |
| jelkner | understood | 09:50 |
| jelkner | totally | 09:50 |
| replaceafill | it's a big/serious commitment | 09:50 |
| replaceafill | but with a lot of possibilities | 09:50 |
| replaceafill | :) | 09:50 |
| replaceafill | (to grow) | 09:50 |
| jelkner | it is, but at least you know we all love you, and won't bite too hard when things go wrong | 09:50 |
| jelkner | which they will, but not mostly | 09:51 |
| jelkner | ;-) | 09:51 |
| mr_german | ;) | 09:51 |
| jelkner | so you are nervous, mr_german, which it completely natural, but are you willing? | 09:52 |
| * jelkner would be concerned if mr_german wasn't nervous, since that indicates he is taking this seriously | 09:52 | |
| mr_german | jelkner, Yes I am! | 09:52 |
| jelkner | sweet! | 09:52 |
| jelkner | ok, 8 minutes and i need to get back to work | 09:52 |
| jelkner | i won't talk specific hours, leaving that to replaceafill to decide | 09:53 |
| jelkner | but let's talk tasks | 09:53 |
| replaceafill | ok | 09:53 |
| jelkner | there are mainly two big ones at present, which i've already laid out, but i will again in somewhat more specificity | 09:53 |
| jelkner | 1. Take initiative with E. Guzman and L. Carter's websites, making sure they are doing everything we can do to help the candidates get out their message | 09:54 |
| jelkner | June 7th is coming fast | 09:54 |
| jelkner | Why does E. Guzman's website still have the old banner, for example? | 09:55 |
| jelkner | 2. Whenever *everything* that can be done for PWPC is done, move ahead on making the AEA website and innovative website for engaging folks in common action | 09:56 |
| jelkner | the AEA website can become a much more effective tool for our 1700+ members to communicate and organize | 09:56 |
| jelkner | and i am perfectly willing to pay for that | 09:56 |
| jelkner | so it provides a great opportunity to develop our product | 09:56 |
| jelkner | we want evote | 09:56 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, are there any chnages in the pipeline for AEA? | 09:57 |
| jelkner | evote is the biggest | 09:57 |
| replaceafill | ok | 09:57 |
| jelkner | once we start engaging members (that will be the first way), i can imagine many other things that could come up | 09:57 |
| jelkner | but i want them to come from the membership | 09:57 |
| replaceafill | sure | 09:58 |
| jelkner | we will be asked "can you do such and such?" | 09:58 |
| jelkner | and we will see if we can | 09:58 |
| replaceafill | hopefully :) | 09:58 |
| jelkner | oh, you can count on that | 09:58 |
| jelkner | i'm already being asked things | 09:58 |
| jelkner | but i tend to say "yes, we would like our website to do that and more, but one step at a time" | 09:58 |
| jelkner | since we are stuck on the first *big* request, which is evote | 09:59 |
| replaceafill | right | 09:59 |
| jelkner | ok, that's all i got | 09:59 |
| jelkner | mr_german, keep in mind that for the Summer we will have Rena | 09:59 |
| mr_german | Ok | 10:00 |
| jelkner | and you should be aware of Natalia's availability | 10:00 |
| jelkner | so if we get offers for new work, we can plan properly | 10:00 |
| jelkner | but again, our first task is keeping you busy | 10:00 |
| replaceafill | see that word mr_german? *plan* | 10:00 |
| jelkner | and then growing the business to the level where you can't handle it, so we can bring in others | 10:01 |
| replaceafill | jelkner, i think we need a system to track "things that need to be done" | 10:01 |
| jelkner | i agree | 10:01 |
| replaceafill | centralized | 10:01 |
| jelkner | +1 | 10:01 |
| replaceafill | not github repos | 10:01 |
| jelkner | +1 | 10:01 |
| jelkner | so let's think about that | 10:02 |
| replaceafill | i was thinking even a spreadsheet could help | 10:02 |
| jelkner | sure | 10:02 |
| replaceafill | moving things around | 10:02 |
| jelkner | can we talk about that next tuesday? | 10:02 |
| replaceafill | sure | 10:02 |
| jelkner | since that kind of thing everyone should have input on | 10:02 |
| jelkner | since we will all need to use it | 10:02 |
| replaceafill | definitely | 10:02 |
| jelkner | cool | 10:02 |
| jelkner | !remind Discuss centralized ToDo process | 10:02 |
| remindBot | will print Discuss centralized ToDo process at 2017-05-16 19:00:00 | 10:02 |
| jelkner | btw. mjsir911 is really having fun with the bots | 10:03 |
| replaceafill | :) | 10:03 |
| jelkner | he is working on a more flexible setup that allows customization of the bots | 10:03 |
| jelkner | he will tell you about it later | 10:03 |
| jelkner | ok, we finished | 10:03 |
| mr_german | ok | 10:04 |
| replaceafill | cool, thanks jelkner | 10:04 |
| * jelkner drops the bag of gravel | 10:04 | |
| replaceafill | thanks mr_german | 10:04 |
| jelkner | thank you two! | 10:04 |
| jelkner | later gaters ;-) | 10:04 |
| mr_german | cya! | 10:04 |
| replaceafill | later guys | 10:04 |
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