IRC log of #novawebdev for Tuesday, 2017-07-11

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jelknerGood morning mjsir911! What's the news on this evening?09:49
mjsir911I'll be able to come in from 4-5 and stay until whenever09:50
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jelknerGreat, mjsir911, we have *much* to talk about!10:26
jelknerGood morning, replaceafill!10:26
jelknerWe were going to talk about CiviCRM, but the documentation appears to be awesome, so i don't really need any help yet10:26
jelkneri'm busy reading: https://docs.civicrm.org/user/en/latest/10:27
replaceafillgood morning jelkner10:27
jelknerI read the use cases section.10:27
jelknerIt really does seem CiviCRM will be just what we are looking for10:27
jelknerThe Green Party in Australia is one of the use cases10:28
replaceafill:)10:28
jelknerand the others align with our hoped for customer base10:28
jelknerso our goal should be to offer CiviCRM support and customization in the DC metro area10:29
jelkner(and in San Salvador! ;-)10:29
replaceafilllet's start in DC :)10:29
jelknerlol10:29
jelkneryes, we will10:29
jelknerbut let's dream of San Salvador, too, yes?10:30
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replaceafillindeed10:30
jelknerAnd now that Z0nny is here, maybe Bolivia too10:30
jelknerwe're an international group, after all10:31
jelknerthe world is our canvas10:31
jelknerok, back to reading10:31
jelknerACTION returns to the CiviCRM user guide10:31
mjsir911hey someone get dsmall looking at his messages11:06
dsmallmjsir911, I did11:15
mjsir911thx11:15
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mr_germanhello, good morning11:41
jelknerGood morning, mr_german!11:44
jelknerLet's see how far you can get today with helios11:44
mr_germanhello jelkner how are you?11:44
replaceafilljelkner, speaking of helios11:44
jelkneryes, replaceafill?11:44
replaceafilljelkner, since you were in a rush yesterday11:44
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replaceafilljelkner, we didn't discuss the new server for helios11:45
replaceafilldiscuss about*11:45
jelkneryou should just tell mjsir911 what you need and let him allocate it for you11:45
jelknerubuntourist, can we meet at Gallaudet at 12 noon tomorrow?11:45
replaceafilljelkner, ah ok, will do11:45
mjsir911on what server?11:45
replaceafillmjsir911, we need a new server for testing helios11:46
jelkneri thought you were adding a new one for that?11:46
ubuntouristjelkner, tomorrow at 12:00 it is.11:47
replaceafillmjsir911, webfaction kills a lot of processes when we try to run helios + its celery jobs11:48
replaceafillmjsir911, including the irc bots :S11:48
mjsir911oh right11:48
jelknernot webfaction11:48
replaceafillmjsir911, so i was thinking we could use a dedicated sever with 1GB of RAM11:48
jelknerlinode11:48
mjsir911so another linode instance?11:48
jelknerlol11:48
jelkneryup11:48
jelkneryou have all the access you need to bring up new vms whenever you choose, yes?11:49
jelknerubuntourist, excellent.11:50
jelkneri'm waiting for the new hard drive for windows 10 to arrive today11:50
jelkneri've downloaded the iso11:50
jelknerso i should have it installed before i come11:50
jelknerif not, we'll have to install there11:50
replaceafillwindows 10?!?!!?11:50
replaceafillfirst time i heard that coming from jelkner!11:51
jelknerdon't ask, replaceafill :-(11:51
jelknerwe have two interns working on VR programming for the oculus rift at Gallaudet11:51
jelknerunfortunately, free tools are not an option :-(11:51
jelknerreplaceafill, i even purchased a license11:52
jelknerit hurt, but i did it11:52
mr_german:o11:53
jelkneri know i'm going straight to FSF hell11:53
jelknerbut it couldn't be avoided11:53
replaceafill:))11:53
ubuntouristMy pain is of the Mac OS X variety these days. ;-)11:53
jelknereven worse than windows these days11:53
jelknerin terms of evil i mean11:53
mr_germanat the moment, I'm working on what you said replaceafill 11:53
ubuntouristWe are beholden to our employers.11:54
jelknerunless we become our own employers, ubuntourist11:54
jelknerwhich is our point, really11:54
mr_germanreplaceafill, maybe today after the meeting I can show you what I've done11:54
jelknerthough sometimes we will still be beholden to our customers11:54
replaceafillmr_german, are you able to customize the booth now?11:55
jelknermr_german, the most important thing is to get ericsaenz using helios ASAP11:55
jelknerwe have him for two and a half weeks11:55
jelknerif we can't enable him to be productive11:55
jelknernovawebdeve suffers greatly11:55
jelknersquandered opportunity11:55
jelknerlet's not do that11:56
replaceafilljelkner, that's why the new vps is priority now11:56
jelkneryes11:56
replaceafilli can help setting that up11:56
replaceafillfor mr_german and ericsaenz to use/share11:56
jelknermjsir911, can you give replaceafill what he needs, or will you do it?11:56
jelkneri know you're at work11:56
ubuntouristjelkner, s/employers/customers/ then. I'm still habituated to my old life. Gallaudet paid me as an employee, now Gallaudet pays me as a consultant.11:56
jelknerdon't want to get you in trouble11:56
mjsir911I'll do it in a bit, how urgent does he need it?11:57
replaceafillmjsir911, any time today is fine11:57
replaceafillmr_german, is making progress locally11:57
ubuntouristBRB. Need caffeine.11:57
jelknerif he and mr_german can be using it by the 5 pm time that ericsaenze leaves11:57
jelknerall will be well11:57
mr_germanyes, I am, replaceafill 11:58
mjsir911any OS in particular?12:01
replaceafillubuntu 16.04 is fine mjsir91112:02
replaceafillmjsir911, if you can let me manage the linode that'd be great12:04
mjsir911I'll try12:04
replaceafillmjsir911, so we don't need to distract you from work12:04
replaceafillmjsir911, thanks12:04
mjsir911you have an account12:05
mjsir911replaceafill-gctaa12:05
replaceafillmjsir911, ah great12:05
mr_germanreplaceafill, you'll set up helios?12:07
replaceafillmr_german, yes12:07
mr_germanreplaceafill, oh ok!12:07
replaceafillmr_german, i'll try to do it correctly this time12:07
mr_germanoka12:08
mr_germanreplaceafill, I'll back to work while you're setting up helios12:10
replaceafillmr_german, ok12:10
replaceafillericsaenz, do you have a github account?12:12
replaceafilljelkner, i need you help12:14
mr_germanreplaceafill, brb12:25
replaceafillmjsir911, i restored my replaceafill-gctaa account12:36
replaceafillmjsir911, should i take it from here?12:36
mjsir911yes please12:36
replaceafillmjsir911, i don't see any OS set up12:36
replaceafillmjsir911, ok12:36
mjsir911I created a helios instance but didnt flash an OS12:36
replaceafillmjsir911, thanks a lot12:36
replaceafillmjsir911, sure12:36
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mr_germanIm back replaceafill 12:47
replaceafillmr_german, ok12:48
replaceafillmr_german, what key should i add to the helios server for you: https://github.com/gfbot.keys12:48
replaceafillmr_german, do you use them all?12:49
mr_germanreplaceafill, give me a sec12:49
replaceafillmr_german, ericsaenz what ssh usernames should i set for you in the helios server?12:50
mr_germanyes replaceafill all of them12:51
mr_german for me 'gfbot' replaceafill 12:51
mr_germanthx12:51
replaceafillmr_german, can you ssh into 45.79.165.22613:07
replaceafillmr_german, that's the new helios server13:07
replaceafillmr_german, you should have sudo on it, but don't do anything just yet13:08
replaceafillmr_german, just confirm that ssh works13:08
replaceafillmr_german, and you can try "sudo ls" or something13:08
mr_germanok13:08
mr_germanreplaceafill, it works13:09
mr_german;)13:09
replaceafillmr_german, cool thanks13:09
replaceafilli'll wait for ericsaenz to reply so i can create another user13:09
mr_germanit says 'gfbot@localhost'13:09
mr_germank13:09
replaceafilloh good catch, i'll change the hostname13:09
mr_german:)13:10
ericsaenzsorry replaceafill, I was eating lunch. My account is ericsaenz but I'm not familiar with github 13:11
replaceafillericsaenz, no problem13:12
replaceafillericsaenz, hmm, have you used ssh before?13:12
ericsaenzno, replaceafill 13:12
replaceafillericsaenz, ok13:12
replaceafillericsaenz, we'll create a helios account for you once i finish setting that up then13:13
replaceafillericsaenz, is jelkner around?13:13
ericsaenzreplaceafill, yes13:13
replaceafillericsaenz, please tell him i need his help13:13
ericsaenzhe's helping another intern out right now but he should be able to soon13:14
jelknerreplaceafill, what's up?13:15
replaceafilljelkner, i'm trying to recover the password for novawebdevelopment@gmail.com13:15
replaceafilljelkner, and the phone for the recovery code is: (•••) •••-••0613:16
replaceafilljelkner, do you have access to that?13:16
jelknerhmmm, let me see13:16
replaceafilljelkner, you may also have received an email titled "Google Verification Code"13:16
jelknernot yet i didn't13:17
jelknergood, we're set13:26
replaceafillyep13:26
replaceafillthanks!13:26
jelkneri'm going to be a basket case by tonight's meeting13:28
jelknerbut we should really turn over the recovery email for that account to someone else13:29
replaceafilljelkner is the novawebdevelopment.com domain handled with your TierraNet dns account?13:54
jelkneryes13:55
mr_germanACTION goes to lunch, he will back in an hour13:55
replaceafillcould you point helios.novawebdevelopment.com to 45.79.165.22613:55
replaceafilljelkner, sorry to bother you but this is necessary13:56
jelknernp13:56
jelknerthings are quiet here now13:56
jelkneri'm available13:56
replaceafillcool :)13:56
jelkneranything else i can do, replaceafill?13:58
replaceafilljust the dns change for now13:59
jelkneri'm on it13:59
jelknerwe have .com .net and .org14:01
jelknershould i do them all?14:01
replaceafillsure14:01
replaceafillcom is enough14:01
replaceafillbut the other don't hurt14:01
replaceafillothers*14:01
jelknerdone14:03
replaceafillthanks14:03
jelkneri forgot, we also have novawebcoop.org ;-)14:04
jelkneri didn't set that one14:04
replaceafillthat's fine14:04
replaceafilli'll start with the com14:04
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replaceafillmr_german, ericsaenz do you have gmail accounts?14:52
ericsaenzyes replaceafill 14:52
replaceafillericsaenz, can you share it? i'll set your helios user to use that14:53
replaceafillericsaenz, i mean, share your email address :)14:53
ericsaenzreplaceafill, my address is ecsnz3@gmail.com14:54
replaceafillericsaenz, thanks14:54
replaceafillericsaenz, could you please visit: http://helios.novawebdevelopment.com/14:55
replaceafilldoes it load for you?14:56
ericsaenzyes, replaceafill 14:56
replaceafillgoogle login is still broken14:56
replaceafillbut i want to know if you can see it14:56
ericsaenzi can, but i can't log in14:56
replaceafillericsaenz, sure, thanks working on it14:57
mr_germanreplaceafill, Im back14:59
replaceafillmr_german, what's your gmail address?15:03
mr_germanreplaceafill, this one germ4nm0nster@gmail.com15:03
replaceafillmr_german, thanks15:04
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mr_germanreplaceafill, should I use the same colors for Helios?16:04
mr_germanthat we use for nova?16:05
replaceafillmr_german, same colors?16:05
mr_german*website*16:05
replaceafillmr_german, ah16:05
replaceafillmr_german, sure16:05
replaceafillmr_german, this is just a test16:05
mr_germanreplaceafill, k16:05
mr_germanreplaceafill, oh16:05
replaceafillmr_german, the point is that you learn how to modify it16:05
replaceafillmr_german, not that you have a polished version16:05
replaceafillmr_german, something simple is fine16:06
mr_germanreplaceafill, in that case, Can I use my own colors?16:06
replaceafillmr_german, that's fine16:06
mr_germank16:06
mr_germanty16:06
jelknerreplaceafill, do you have a minute or 3?16:10
replaceafilljelkner, just a minute, i'm trying to finish this helios setup16:11
replaceafillalmost done16:11
jelknersorry16:11
jelkneri can wait16:11
replaceafillok...16:17
replaceafillmr_german, ericsaenz http://helios.novawebdevelopment.com/ should be ready16:17
replaceafillplease try to log in with your gmail accounts16:17
replaceafilland let me know if login works16:17
replaceafilljelkner, done16:17
mr_germanit works16:18
ericsaenzit works for me as well16:18
mr_germanI have Admin too :D16:18
replaceafillericsaenz, do you see Admin in the top right part of the page?16:18
ericsaenzyep16:18
replaceafillgreat16:18
replaceafillericsaenz, just so you know16:18
mr_germanreplaceafill, yep I can see the admin interface16:18
jelknermission accomplished!16:18
replaceafillwe haven't found a user manual for this :S16:18
jelknerwith 40 minutes to spare ;-)16:19
jelknerreplaceafill, we may have to write one16:19
replaceafillericsaenz, so this will require a bit of fiddling on your part16:19
replaceafillericsaenz, and none of us know this system well yet16:19
replaceafillericsaenz, that's where i hope you can help :)16:19
dsmallreplaceafill, ericsaenz, if you guys need random testers I am here16:20
replaceafillmr_german, ericsaenz at this point we need to create an election16:20
replaceafilldsmall, ah thanks!16:20
mr_germanreplaceafill, im on it16:20
replaceafillmr_german, cool16:20
jelknerdefinitely, dsmall, that will be a big help16:20
replaceafillwe need to see if the celery worker.... works!16:20
replaceafilldsmall, what's your gmail address?16:20
replaceafilldsmall, so i can create a user for you16:21
jelknerreplaceafill, let's do a wee bit of planning16:21
dsmallreplaceafill, thedunx@Gmail.com ... I made it about 9 years ago :/16:21
replaceafilljelkner, ok16:22
jelknerericsaenz and dsmall are off tomorrow16:22
jelkneron a field trip16:22
jelknerthen on thursday, they will be here from 9 am to 12 noon16:22
jelkneri'm leaving for north carolina to the red hat academy meeting16:23
jelknerso they will be working from home on thurday afternoon and friday16:23
replaceafilldsmall, what's your full name?16:23
dsmallDuncan Small16:23
replaceafilldsmall, thanks16:23
dsmallreplaceafill, np16:23
jelknerdsmall, why don't you ask replaceafill *his* full name? ;-)16:24
jelknersince it has nothing to do with replaceafill16:24
jelkneranyway, we don't want to loose a day and a half16:24
replaceafilldsmall, mine is Douglas Cerna :)16:24
jelknerso i'm hoping they will still access this channel from home16:24
replaceafilldsmall, ok, i created an account for you16:24
jelknerand work with mr_german to get some elections run16:25
replaceafilldsmall, helios.novawebdevelopment.com16:25
dsmallreplaceafill, how did you get to replaceafill?16:25
dsmallreplaceafill, awesome thanks16:25
replaceafilldsmall, filling a form for napster a long time ago16:25
replaceafilldsmall, i just picked random words to create a username :S16:26
replaceafilljelkner, sounds good to me16:26
dsmallreplaceafill, thats a lot more interesting than mine16:27
replaceafilldsmall, :D16:27
replaceafillok, so since all of you are testing helios16:28
replaceafillfirst instruction: don't be afraid to break anything16:28
replaceafilldata, server whatever16:28
replaceafillpart of the point of this exercise is to know how it breaks16:29
replaceafillto learn*16:29
replaceafilland also learn to use it correctly16:29
mr_germank16:29
replaceafillbasically you create an election, and set some email addresses to send it16:29
replaceafillat this point only google addresses will work16:29
replaceafillbecause the user will need to log in to cast the vote16:30
replaceafillso try to share your gmail accounts16:30
mr_germangot it16:30
replaceafilljelkner, are ericsaenz and dsmall in the nova websters list?16:30
mr_germanericsaenz, if you need help, just ask me16:31
ericsaenzokay mr_german16:31
replaceafillmy gmail address is replaceafill@gmail.com in case you want to add me to your elections16:32
jelknerno, replaceafill16:32
jelknerthere aren't enough of us on helios that we need a new list16:32
replaceafilljelkner, hm?16:33
replaceafilljelkner, new list?16:33
jelkneri was thinking you wanted a mailing list for this16:33
jelknernever mind16:33
replaceafilljelkner, no i was asking if they are in our mailing list?16:33
jelknerthey are not16:34
replaceafillok16:34
jelkneri was wondering why you were asking16:34
jelknerassuming you wanted to communicate through a mailing list16:34
replaceafillwe should make a gmail addresses inventory16:34
replaceafillif we're just testing helios with gmail at this point16:34
replaceafillyours, Kevin's, Marco's, etc16:35
jelkneryes16:35
replaceafillmr_german, can you take care of that?16:35
jelknergreat idea, put mr_german on it! ;-)16:35
replaceafillmr_german, a shared google doc is fine16:35
mr_germanoka16:35
replaceafillmr_german, thanks16:35
replaceafillmr_german, try to have it ready by tomorrow please16:36
mr_germanoka16:36
mr_germanreplaceafill, sure16:36
mr_german:)16:36
replaceafilljelkner, i know you don't want to hear this, but16:38
replaceafillworking on setting this up makes me realize how far we are16:38
jelknerACTION covers his ears16:38
replaceafillthis needs "infrastructure" we don't have16:38
jelknerexplain16:38
replaceafilljust creating a single user is a PITA16:38
replaceafillbecause the system is not very user friendly16:39
replaceafillwe haven't learned how to integrate django auth16:39
jelkneri wonder how the PSF does it?16:39
replaceafillhow to start the celery workers in thebackground16:39
replaceafilljelkner, they probably have a support contract with an experienced provider ;)16:40
jelknersounds like an important discussion for tonight's meeting16:40
jelkner!remind 1. Discuss time line for determining if helios and CiviCRM is something we can do16:41
replaceafillCiviCRM is way more newbie friendly16:41
replaceafillinstallation is by far less complicated16:42
replaceafilluser setup, heh, thanks Drupal16:42
replaceafilltheming, same16:42
jelkner!help remind16:43
Big_BrotherRemind about events16:43
replaceafillmr_german, did you try sending the election?16:45
mr_germanthe election is done16:46
replaceafilli just got a smtp error16:46
mr_germanbut now, I'm adding gmail accounts16:46
mr_german:D16:46
mr_germanit takes time16:46
mr_germanjeje16:46
mr_germanoh wait16:48
jelkneri just got a message from google16:48
replaceafilljelkner, yes16:48
replaceafilljelkner, i just turn on the access for the app16:48
mr_germanreplaceafill, I'll send an email to the list16:49
mr_germanwith the link of the election16:49
jelknerhttps://pastebin.com/iBFK1dgs16:49
replaceafillmr_german, why?16:49
mr_germanwhat do you think?16:49
replaceafilljelkner, don't worry, that's expected16:49
jelknerok16:50
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replaceafillmr_german, the addresses you added should receive the email, right?16:50
mr_germanyep16:50
mr_germannvm16:50
replaceafilland people who you didn't add as voters won't be able to do anything16:50
mjsir911_mobilejelkner, im not going to be able to come in today16:51
replaceafilldsmall, ericsaenz try to create/send an election16:51
ericsaenzalright16:51
replaceafilldsmall, ericsaenz it's ok if you get stuck or can't make it16:51
replaceafillas he already said, if you have questions ask mr_german16:52
replaceafillhe's the one with most helios experience around16:52
jelknerthey are about to leave16:52
replaceafillnp16:53
jelknerbut they will be back thursday16:53
replaceafillno rush :)16:53
mr_germanso..16:53
replaceafillmr_german, ?16:53
replaceafillmr_german, ah!16:57
replaceafillmr_german, there's an option "anyone can vote"16:58
mr_germanreplaceafill, can we have a quick google hangout16:59
mr_german?16:59
replaceafillmr_german, i can't, i'm about to leave16:59
mr_germanoh16:59
mr_german:(16:59
mr_germanok16:59
replaceafillmr_german, after the meeting16:59
mr_germanbrb17:00
jelknermjsir911_mobile, are you coming here?17:20
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jelknermjsir911_mobile, r u here?17:33
mjsir911_mobileif i can come in at all it will be late17:34
mjsir911_mobiledo you need me physically there for any particular reason?17:34
mr_germanreplaceafill, are you there?17:36
replaceafillmr_german, yes17:37
mr_germanI found an Issue17:37
replaceafillmr_german, with?17:38
mr_germanreplaceafill, http://helios.novawebdevelopment.com/helios/elections/8ff0e604-6677-11e7-906d-f23c917bc094/voters/email17:38
mr_germanthat happens when I try to send the email to the voters17:40
replaceafillmr_german, yes, the smtp is not working17:40
replaceafilli still don't know why17:40
replaceafillmr_german, you can switch to working locally now17:41
replaceafillmr_german, i'll let you know when i fix it17:41
replaceafillhopefully tomorrow17:41
mr_germanreplaceafill, ok :D17:41
mr_germanthx replaceafill 17:41
jelkneri was just asking, mjsir911_mobile, since you told me you were coming in17:47
jelknerand i was thinking on running an errand17:48
jelknerand didn't want to leave if you were coming17:48
jelknersince you're not, np17:48
jelkneryou'll be at our meeting, yes?17:48
mjsir911_mobileyea17:48
jelknerok, replaceafill seems to be suggesting that helios is too big a fish for us to fry17:49
jelknerit would be good to have your input on that as well17:49
jelknerACTION runs our for a quick dinner17:50
jelknerbbb 7 pm17:50
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jelknerGood evening louisea and ncerna!18:59
louiseagood evening18:59
Big_Brother1. Discuss time line for determining if helios and CiviCRM is something we can do19:00
nrcernagood evening19:00
replaceafillhello everybody19:00
mr_germanhi!19:00
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jelkneryour bot works, mjsir911!19:00
jelknerare we ready to roll?19:01
mjsir911Yep, I missed it though so ill check the logs quickly19:01
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mjsir911It also keeps a persistent state on reboot now19:01
louiseayeah I'm ready19:01
replaceafillgo go go19:01
jelknerdon't know where ubuntourist is19:01
jelknerwe basically have only one *big* item on our agenda19:02
jelknerhow do we become a viable cooperative business?19:02
jelkneri don't want to put him on the spot, but we will be relying a lot on louisea to figure that out19:03
jelkneri called him earlier this week to suggest that we should move toward having him take over the meetings19:03
louiseait's fine to put me on the spot.19:03
jelknersweet, you're on19:03
louiseaagain. with my work schedule I cannot yet take on that responsibility19:04
louiseawell, if I were to it would be unproductive19:04
jelkneri don't think we will be able to be "productive" in the business sense until you have the time19:04
jelknerwe are still "skilling up"19:05
louiseacertainly the case. and my schedule will be free in the near future.19:05
jelknerand while we wait, we should work out a start up budget, yes?19:05
louiseayes we should work out a start up budget19:05
louiseaone variable will be 1. salaries19:06
jelknerand then all of us will see the budget, and take ownership of how it is spent19:06
louiseaand the other would be operating costs if we can envision any19:06
jelknerthat will be a small fraction of our costs19:07
jelknerwhich will be almost totally salaries19:07
louiseaI know that I am happy to work at $20.00/hr and for 30 hours per week starting late August19:08
jelknergood, those are some concrete numbers19:08
jelknerwhile we wait for august19:08
jelknerwe need to continue getting "skilled up"19:08
jelknerwe only just started with civicrm19:09
louiseaand as soon as time permits, some thought needs to be put into concrete expectations and timelines for any projects we agree upon19:09
jelknerand replaceafill is thinking helios may be beyond our reach19:09
jelknerso i was hoping he and mjsir911 could sort that out19:09
replaceafillit'll require some time invested19:09
louiseaso it sounds like we need to choose a feasible project19:11
jelknerwe have a month to decide, replaceafill, but once we get louisea working 30 hours looking for customers19:11
jelknerwe need to have a clear offering19:11
replaceafillindeed19:11
jelkneri just think we need some real platform to support19:11
jelknerwe have successfully gathered a front end team19:12
replaceafilli'd start with CiviCRM19:12
replaceafillas an offering19:12
jelknerwith mr_german, ncerna, and replaceafill19:12
replaceafillhelios doesn't even have documentation19:12
jelknerok, i'm hearing you19:12
jelknerwe have to put everything into civicrm19:13
jelknerduring the next two and 1/2 weeks, though, i'm hoping we can get some more investigation into helios from our interns19:13
jelknerotherwise, their skills go wasted19:13
jelknerit was an unexpected opportunity for novawebdeve19:14
jelknerand it is seizing on opportunities that leads to success19:14
replaceafillproblem is we don't have a testing plan yet19:14
replaceafill"learn to use it" is to abstract19:15
replaceafilltoo*19:15
jelknerwell, how about start out with a small "user story"19:15
jelkneri want to vote for my favorite pizza toppings19:16
jelknerwe could at least ask them to email the community and see if there is any support out there19:16
jelknerthat would be a big help in figuring out if we can do this19:16
replaceafillthat SHOULD be part of the plan19:16
replaceafilllook for a damn manual19:16
jelknermjsir911, have you had any chance to look at it?19:17
replaceafillsomeone has to have one...19:17
jelknerit may be one of those nasty situations where they say "look at the source code" :-(19:17
mjsir911I haven't looked at helios enough to understand the complexity19:17
jelknerok, i won't push too hard19:17
mjsir911It seems to just be dependent on a lot of other systems being configured correctly19:17
jelknerin the mean time, i agree that a focus on the well documented civicrm is most important19:18
jelknerthat's what elizabeth guzman needs19:18
jelknerand nea19:18
jelknerand nea4or19:18
jelkneretc19:18
jelknerso we have real "customers" to test that with19:19
replaceafillcorrect19:19
jelknerwe need to do that ASAP19:19
jelknerso that we know we can work with it19:19
jelknerand then we will have our business19:19
jelknerplan19:19
louisearight now I'm doing some research into organizations that provide support for CiviCRM and I came across this https://aghstrategies.com19:20
louiseathey are located here in DC. and if I'm not mistaken, are doing what we envision doing19:20
jelknermore or less19:21
jelkneri think sanjay is connected with this group19:21
replaceafilli bookmarked this yesterday: https://twitter.com/cbracy/status/88449042598518784019:21
jelknerhe is a friend of ubuntourist who has been pushing us to join the civicrm community for years19:21
jelknernice!19:22
replaceafilllouisea, that tweet has some other CRM providers19:22
jelknerthat's the space we want to play in19:22
replaceafillright19:22
jelknerso we need to see how well we can19:22
louiseagot it19:23
jelknerok, unless anyone else has anything19:23
jelknerthat wraps it up, yes?19:23
louiseayup19:23
jelknerwe know what we have to do19:23
jelknernow let's do it!19:23
jelknerok, everyone, have a great evening19:23
replaceafillthanks everyone19:24
jelknerlouisea, to get you in practice19:24
jelkneryou have to say "/me drops the bag of gravel"19:24
replaceafill:D19:24
louiseaACTION drops the bag of grave19:24
replaceafilll19:24
replaceafill:)19:24
louiseahaha, the pressure was too much!19:25
mr_germanlol19:25
replaceafill:D19:25
replaceafillmr_german, what do you need exactly?19:25
mr_germancan we have a quick meeting?19:25
mr_germanbefore we leave?19:26
replaceafillmr_german, what do you need?19:26
replaceafillmr_german, i'm about to leave again :S19:26
replaceafillbut i'll be back in an hour or so19:26
replaceafilldoes that work for you?19:26
mr_germanreplaceafill, mm no 19:27
mr_germanreplaceafill, I won't be around19:27
replaceafillwhat do you need from me?19:27
mr_germantomorrow?19:27
replaceafilltomorrow works19:27
mr_germanok19:27
replaceafilli'll work on helios in the morning (our time)19:27
mr_germanok19:27
replaceafillfixing the smtp issue19:27
mr_germank19:27
mr_germanthx19:28
mr_germano/19:28
replaceafillok19:28
mr_germanim out19:28
replaceafillsee you tomorrow then19:28
mr_germancya19:28
mr_german:D19:28
mr_germanACTION peace o/19:28
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